Points to note: 1. Drone flying 1000km in daylight in a straight line at slow speed and low altitude (200kmh at 150m) 2. Russia was unable to shoot it down, as it fails with the majority of such drones 3. The UK was shooting down the majority of V1 Flying Bombs in 1945 (650kmh at 900m) Conclusion: the UK had better anti-missile defense in WW2 than Russia has today. 80 YEARS AGO.
To be fair, the UK had a relatively narrow corridor along the Dover/Kent coast where the V1's were coming in from straight-line, so they could stack their AAA, radar, and fighters. Russia has a huge area to defend, a much greater radius on approaches to contend with, and the modern drones/cruise missiles they deal with can have waypoints inputted to take them around or dog-leg past areas of heavy defenses. It's a much bigger problem, not that I am crying for them.
@@MM22966 Yes, and also Britain had turned every spy sent into Britain (see stories about the "Doublecross System") and when German asked for the locations of the impact so that they could refine the navigation, the British slowly and systematically gave back incorrect coordinates that gradually moved the V-1 bombs to the North and East of London to less populated areas.
@@idoperlmutter6660it also means its harder to shoot down. Slow and low should be a turkey shoot, there was a time when russia was deemed impregnable to outside incursions ( save for the time a Cessna landed in red square piloted by Matthias Salt ) but that’s been shown to be a fallacy.
On at least one case of a Ukrainian drone attack on Moscow, the drone hit an office skyscraper which seemed odd until it was learned that the GRU had offices on precisely the floors that the drone hit. I suspect this maybe something similar. Either GRU or FSB or some other State offices were located on those floors. It could have been the offices of some oil company. Ukraine has had some very inside intelligence as we know. This is a rather unique situation when you consider that many Ukrainians speak Russian fluently and without an accent which makes it very easy for a Ukrainian agent to infiltrate a Russian organization. However, most Russians have difficulty understanding or even pronouncing Ukrainian. A friend of mine grew up in Crimea and was a native Russian speaker, but she considered herself Ukrainian rather than Russian, and she fled Crimea when the Russians invaded in 2014. She and her then two year old son fled to Lviv, in Western Ukraine, and she had to learn to speak Ukrainian. The Russo-Ukrainian War has many of the characteristics of a civil war even though Ukraine is a sovereign state. It would be like the American Colonial Rebellion against Great Britain in the 18th Century, what many people call the "American Revolution" Colonists with American sympathies could easily pass for Americans with British sympathies, you had New York City that sympathized with Great Britain while Boston and Philadelphia sympathized with the Rebellionists. When it comes to clandestine operations, partisans and espionage Russia and Ukraine are locked in a similar sort of combat, but Ukraine has the upper linguistic hand. For that reason, I would guess that some part of the Russian oligarchy had an apartment or offices of combination in that building and the Ukrainians learned exactly what floors to hit.
Really good point! Many Russian speaking Ukrainians always felt Ukrainian and never Russian. The language has sometimes nothing to do with your nationality. My wife is from Severodonetsk and lived there until 2017, always spoke Russian and never got any problem from Ukraine as the Russian propaganda wrongly claimed. And by the way, I'm French speaking but my nationality is Swiss, so I always thought that assimilating a language to a country is sometimes nonsense.
I've read another comment, and it was talking about CEO of Shahed drones factory. Hard to draw conclusions as of now, but knowing Ukraine's intelligence capabilities, that specific floor of the building could have hosted someone important, as it's not likely to see two drones hitting a specific point because of jamming.
@Arrow-em3yj okay, I have a real wild one for you. I am a monoglot American who speaks only English, and I married a Japanese woman who speaks Japanese as her native language and English as her second language. We have two children, boys, who speak English and Japanese fluently, although they are literate in English and semi-literate in Japanese even though they are fluent in speaking and listening in both languages. Now here is the good part. When both boys were fourteen and sixteen, I took them to see a performance of Shakespeare's Macbeth because that is the shortest play by Shakespeare and about the only one I can follow unless I read the play before I see it. As you know Shakespearean or Elizabethan English differs from modern English. So I was worried that it might be too much for them. Imagine my surprise when I discovered that they could understand Elizabethan English without any problem. It was as easy for them to understand English from the time of Elizabeth the First in Shakespeare plays as easily as they understand Star Wars in the English of Elizabeth the Second. By the way, Yoda uses modern English words in Japanese syntax so they are fluent and literate in whatever language it is that Yoda speaks. If you want to try your hand at a marvelous performance of Romeo and Juliet in Shakespearean English then I suggest the film version of "Romeo and Juliet" which stars Leonard DiCaprio as Romeo and John Leguissasmo as Tybalt and is set in modern day Miami with the Montagu and Capulet families as warring drug cartels, but all the dialogue is precisely the Shakespearean English. Both my boys love it, and they especially like how the Duke of Florence is portrayed and who was cast in the role. I will avoid a spoiler, and you will have to see for yourself. I bet you let out a whoop of laughter when you see the Duke just as my boys did.
According to this guy from "A Swindled Russian" channel (Обманутый Россиянин), in the video "Путин, это что еще за сарай?! ТЫ ОБЕЩАЛ МНЕ ЖИЛЬЕ, Я ЖЕ ЗА ТЕБЯ ВОЕВАЛ" (Putin, what [kind of] a barn is this? YOU PROMISED ME A HOUSE, I HAVE FOUGHT FOR YOU, ruclips.net/video/i-oip8udsrY/видео.html): In this building accomplices of [Putin's] regime, who [accomplices] lined their pockets with money they made on the war, including Shaheeds assembly (i.e. production) bough themselves apartaments Him speaking, in Russian: Дроны прилетели в элитные жилые комплексы где накупили квартир пособники режима, которые набили карманы на войне - в том числе на сборке Шахидов
It's not a double impact IMHO, Look on street view, that's how certain floors of windows open. They swing open bottom to top, often in rows. I think it likely was just an open row of windows, and it hit there in coincidence.
@Ranstone saw a video on yt from the sun (channel from the UK), where it shows burning after the first hit, then clearly shows the second drone hitting the same spot
I think that someone special would have been gone after the first drone strike. Perhaps the target was some installation, like a big computer, or some important and irreplaceable lab equipment.
According to this guy from "A Swindled Russian" channel (Обманутый Россиянин), in the video "Путин, это что еще за сарай?! ТЫ ОБЕЩАЛ МНЕ ЖИЛЬЕ, Я ЖЕ ЗА ТЕБЯ ВОЕВАЛ" (Putin, what [kind of] a barn is this? YOU PROMISED ME A HOUSE, I HAVE FOUGHT FOR YOU, ruclips.net/video/i-oip8udsrY/видео.html): In this building accomplices of [Putin's] regime, who [accomplices] lined their pockets with money they made on the war, including Shaheeds assembly (i.e. production) bough themselves apartaments Him speaking, in Russian: Дроны прилетели в элитные жилые комплексы где накупили квартир пособники режима, которые набили карманы на войне - в том числе на сборке Шахидов
Putlerbots working so hard to pretend that a “gunpowder factory” was the real target and that flying two drones on the level into the same window of the most *prominent* prestige home of oligarchs and generals in the entire city (a major financial centre) was just accidental.
@@ItsReallyJackBlack This may be incredibly difficult to understand but enemy personnel including government functionaries and other "key personnal" are lawful targets. I don't expect civilians study LOAC because most prefer feelings to thought but for those so inclined history is interesting fun. Long range drones are too valuable to waste attacking randoms because doing so has zero military value and can generate negative publicity.
@@suchomimus9921 The tower was the target. Even more drones flew into it and there is a video with police etc. already at the place with the tower burning on several floors while another drone comes along. Someone or something very important is the, was there. Maybe extensive troll farm or.... ?
This is the local info for this building. “The apartments are large, open plan. Underground parking on 3 floors. The law on silence at the local level from the Criminal Code is observed (repairs are carried out from 9:00-13:00 and from 15:00-19:00, on weekdays. Silence on weekends and holidays) Workers pass only through their elevator. You have to sign up for the freight elevator, which is very convenient.” So one needn’t fear having to personally encounter servants, maintenance crews or other poors.
@@MM22966 It wasn't an assassination attempt.. Kazan Institute for Oil Industry Project Design, 1/4 mile down the road in the direction the drones were flying..
That's a funny-looking building. Not immediately obvious that it's an apartment block or offices .. But if that hit hurt, we'll hear Vlad wailing. Sanath, you're a star, love your always-smiley face, thank you for all the heroic support you guys are giving.... And the sponsors. Slava Ukraine! 🙏💙💛🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦❤️
Definitely offices. Well, in West that would be. Most likely in Russia too. Who would like to live expensive block of houses, when Kazan has plenty of private houses too.
@@juhanivalimaki5418 Sorry, but years worth of public information freely available - in the free world, anyway - proudly describes it as an elite building of 200sq m open-plan apartments, with separate elevators and strict timetables to keep the “workers” out of sight & hearing of residents.
Thank you, Suchomimus, for introducing us to another new AD system. Thank you, Sanath, for all your support of Ukraine! 🇺🇦 Перемоги та миру всім українцям! 🇺🇦
Over 1000km's is a substantive journey for the drone, and with the history of having hit this building previously speaks of a drone of an important mission trajectory for sure. As for us here speculating, I've read below some very intelligent observations regarding this flight path that lend credence to the general flight of it. Bottom line of course is we'll have to wait for further information and/or confirmations of it's target from the Ukrainian is Armed Forces. We'll await your update regarding this drone strike Suchomimus knowing you'll be digging it up for us in your incredible follow ups. Thanks for your reporting, pretty curious about this one. All the best to you, 🇺🇲🇺🇦 Glory to God, Victory for Ukraine, Rise Free Nations!
Whoever lived in the damaged apartments was wealthy and probably important as going by the reviews on Google maps the building is a prestige development, being the tallest building in the region and apartments having floor areas over 200sqm. It had effective security and it appears that electronic communications were being jammed even 3 years ago. My guess is that Ukraine had some info and used it.
According to this guy from "A Swindled Russian" channel (Обманутый Россиянин), in the video "Путин, это что еще за сарай?! ТЫ ОБЕЩАЛ МНЕ ЖИЛЬЕ, Я ЖЕ ЗА ТЕБЯ ВОЕВАЛ" (Putin, what [kind of] a barn is this? YOU PROMISED ME A HOUSE, I HAVE FOUGHT FOR YOU, ruclips.net/video/i-oip8udsrY/видео.html): In this building accomplices of [Putin's] regime, who [accomplices] lined their pockets with money they made on the war, including Shaheeds assembly (i.e. production) bough themselves apartaments Him speaking, in Russian: Дроны прилетели в элитные жилые комплексы где накупили квартир пособники режима, которые набили карманы на войне - в том числе на сборке Шахидов
It matters because of the potential optics to the wider world. ruZZia demonstrates that it is a terrorist state by indiscriminately attacking civilian target, it is necessary for world opinion & Western support that Ukraine does not stoop so low as to commit the same war crimes.
@@tricky1581 One such incident sink into oblivion compared to the Russian strikes. Everyone accepts that accidents just happens without any intention. This is not a warcrime by any means.
If it was some kind of interference, it may have been GPS spoofing vs jamming. With spoofing, the gps would report the same, wrong, thing for both drones, jamming blocks the signal totally, hence the random impacts. Just a theory.
I dont get that because you could just use Galileo instead, the drone is well below the speed limit and even the civilian signal cant be spoofed. It is even resistant to replay attacks, and most cheap receivers do Galileo in addition to GPS and Glonass
@@dzzope It is technically easy to negate. However, you would have to recertify for a Galileo receiver in a commercial aircraft, which gets very expensive and bureaucratic. It is also not 100% clear if the FAA would allow aircraft that relied on a foreign GNSS for operation. Bear in mind that we have inertial navigation systems that would allow you to fly over the Atlantic and be only a few km out when you get to the other side. It's not an issue when air traffic control picks you up on the airport radar and corrects you. However, this is military grade technology and is not allowed in commercial aircraft.
@@jonathanbuzzard1376 FAA only has jurisdiction in the US, the world is a big place and much of the spoofing is happening over the baltics. Inertial navigation is fine if you are aware of limitations on gps accuracy and operate them correctly (gyros needs periodic recalibration), these days it's generally only used as a backup and then only if the pilot is aware of any discrepancy from the gps or has warnings that there is spoofing active in the area. You said civilian systems couldn't be spoofed, I simply pointed one out that was. There is no info on what guidance the specific drones were actually using. So it's still a possibility. Many drones are kitbashed from what resources they have laying around. Again, just a theory.
But months ago, Ukraine started using GPS only for general navigation, and switching to various options for the precise targeting. I guess Russian mushrooms wouldn’t know that, though.
this also could caused by this tower simply to be on the path/trajectory of the drone , they could have programed to fly low but as it happened this thing was simply in the way.
Wow, Putlerbots working so hard to not mention how this brings the war to the people who run it. Who believed themselves insulated from it. Kazan is an important financial center and this - most visible prestige building in town - was built specifically so the elite need never encounter the plebs. The elite being the oligarchs and the military. Remember how Tatarstan voted for independence back in the 1990s and Russia just moved the military in? Or is that one of the many things that has been written out of The Big History Textbook for Children of Totalitarian Regimes…?
@@shawnr771 yes it makes sense, they follow the same pre programmed route, after being launched, they cleary ware near target , we have seen this before , the come low and one after another in very short sucesion
@@RokoWoju The previous damage seemed older. If there was another target the results of the first drone strike would have alerted the programmers to alter the course. Leads me to believe that whatever or whoever they want to hit is in that building.
@@shawnr771 that is also a possibility, but I understand that when those drones are this far away and number of them on route they are no longer under control or monitored , in particular that target areas are well protected against the drones or GPS signal is disrupted. we will have to wait for more information, I follow this Russian guy that lives in Poland and from this town - as far as he knows those are just civilian apartments, unless they are after people but it seems a bit of overkill
I was going to say that perhaps Ukraine didn't know how high this building is, because it's so much taller than everything else in the town. But, actually, the Google Earth photo shows a shadow that makes that rather obvious. Two questions: Who owns the building? Maybe it's an investment by one of Putin's cronies? Who occupies that particular apartment? Because both drones struck the far side of the building compared to where they probably came from, and that suggests they were trying to hit a specific side of the building: an accidental hit would have been the other side, surely?
One type of GPS spoofing can produce that effect. But I doubt anyone is still using a purely GPS guided drone this far into the war. It could also be bad route planning, or that this is actually the target.
@@suchomimus9921 Mistakes do happen. Be interesting to see what may have been on the other side of the bldg along the flight path though flight plan may had changes of direction.
!! My quick take. Unlikely jammed off course, because of the double tap. Could be autonomous image recognition, unjammable. Could be going after a person, but without knowing when the first hit occurred, would venture it was after some equipment or fabrication facility in the building on that level. This is probably the simplest explanation (Occam). Two strikes being randomly redirected to the same spot is not simple, but wildly improbable (impossible? - the Holmes quote comes to mind). A remarkable video. Thanks.
Appears to be some time between strikes as emergency service vehicles are already there before second strike - in exactly the same place. I'm guessing both drones hit exactly where intended 😊
Jammers can be split into two categories: 1. Noise senders disturb a signal to make it unavailable. This may make a radio remote control channel or a GPS signal become unusable, e.g. so that a drone doesn't know where it is or can't be controlled remotely any more. 2. Spoofers send out false signals. This may give a drone a false impression of where it is, or may make an enemy take over a drone. If drones keep hitting the same wrong spot, this may be because of a spoofer, faking a GPS sender.
Surely, if you're going to go to the trouble of spoofing, you're going to set-up randomized offsets? Otherwise, your consistent false signal itself could be used as exactly the navigational aid you're attempting to defeat. Your theory also seems to presuppose no cross-checking within the system being spoofed, which would be a remarkable level of weakness.
Consider this : The intended target was a specific office or apartment. To ensure success, they used two drones, increasing the likelihood that at least one would hit the target. In this case, both drones successfully struck the target. Considering wind and weather conditions, this approach seems feasible, as achieving such precise accuracy without functional guidance systems would otherwise be challenging.
In principle it is an apartament building, but it is not unusual in Russia to have "mixed use" skyscrapers, on some floors apartments, offices on others.
Panie Jerzy... Tam se przepikne kwartiry luksusowe zakupili ci, co cinszkie dutki zarabotali na całej tej specoperacji, w tym na produkcji Szahidów. Jeśli, rzecz jasna, prawdę powiada ów gościu z kanału Обманутый Россиянин (w roliku pt. "Путин, это что еще за сарай?! ТЫ ОБЕЩАЛ МНЕ ЖИЛЬЕ, Я ЖЕ ЗА ТЕБЯ ВОЕВАЛ" ), ruclips.net/video/i-oip8udsrY/видео.html): _Дроны прилетели в элитные жилые комплексы где накупили квартир пособники режима, которые набили карманы на войне - в том числе на сборке Шахидов_ Znaczy, "kto wronami..." - ee..., znaczy "DRONAMI wojuje, temu drony wpierdal spuszczą takoż" - czy jakoś tak to szło. ;-)
Locals say this building was built for the elite. It even has separate elevators so the residents need never meet servants or workers. Nobody’s crying except the rich.
@crxgames Inertial navigation is low accuracy compared to GNSS, and accuracy deteriorates the longer it is relied upon. Should only really be used during periods of LOS from the GNSS constellation, when signal is restored the INS is reset from the new 'known' location. If the drone is being spoofed and doesn't 'know' I would presume that it resolves conflict between the two guidance systems by assuming the sat nav is correct. I could be wrong - I can say with confidence this is how it works for satellites, maybe different for military drones .
A poor job programming waypoints is much more likely. This shows a complete lack of after-action review of each operation. Making the same tactical mistakes repeatedly is expensive, relays your tactics to your enemy, and makes future success more difficult. You’d think by now they’d have their shit together.
@@nathanturner21That it impacted within the CEP of the earlier drone mishap indicates both were flying on the exact same course and altitude. Poor route planning together a failure to learn from their mistakes the time around. This points to a command/organizational failure. With limited assets you’d think they’d have a much better planning review process.
@@nathanturner21most modern autopilots use something like a kalman filter. They don't just choose one source when they disagree they bias towards the one that matches all the others. Most systems have multiple sources. Not just ins and gnss. For example optical flow, air speed, ins, gnss, and maybe something like vio. That's why spoofing is usually faded in slowly so the autopilot doesn't just ignore the gnss when it sees it not matching everything else.
0:26 in addition, it took russia an entire year to figure out how to jam excalibur and himars, if the US had been at war with russia instead of ukraine, we would have won that war in about a month at most. They wouldn't have had remotely enough time to figure out how to jam them. Realistically, a conflict lasting 3 years or more is actually a very long time for the standards of warfare in the 20th century and after
0:26 Russian EW and jamming isn't really that good. Himars and Excalibur were made at a time when the US was fighting jihadists with absolutely zero advanced military capabilities, and the US and Europe had massively underinvested in electronic warfare and jamming for decades. Russia was simply average at it for the time, but were better than the US in the same way that a man having $1 is technically richer than a man with no dollar- they were just caught up to the current times while we were so behind on the times and underdeveloped in EW. once that situation ended in the late 2010s and we woke up, we easily caught up and have currently surpassed russia in EW and jamming.
Just 180 m north of that building in the flight direction is the Kazanskoye Aviapredpriyatiye, they seem to maintain and repair helicopters and train pilots.
The building hit is by far the tallest building in the vicinity. It is at least 30 storeys and over 100m tall. When the drones hit the building they were flying straight an level, not trying to dive onto a target. The drones were under control and did not appear to by flying erratically, which would be likely if they were being jammed. I think that the route of the drones was planned to attack another target (possibly to the West) and that the planners did not take into account the clearance required to miss this tower.
Or the tower is higher than they thought. remember its russia, there is a possibility that the owner build a few floors higher than he was allowed but the official hight of the tower is of course the old building plan...
@@marcpaulus6291It certainly seems like a mistake. Ukraine already doesn't have enough military armament to defend itself so it makes no sense for it to strike civilian targets. Russian civilian population has essentially 0% chance of being swayed by an attack on civilian targets by a country that Russia is at war against,. It makes no sense for Ukraine to intentionally do this. Very much likely that it's a mistake.
You can also see both camera operators filming the location prior to the second drone impacting, they were expecting the second drone to hit the same spot. Plus the cop car had lights and sirens on, probably after the first impact.
You bring up a good point. That's how often someone has the camera on their phone focused on a target when it gets hit. Could they be the local source of the targeting information?
In Moscow the average citizens did celebrate, when then highs class areas was hit some time back,, they said,, good , now they can feel it too ,not that the low clas areas had been hit, but it was from the low class the recruitments was going out
Two drones hitting the same spot on the high rise building could be launched and operated only locally, not from 1000 km away.The same, as recent attack in Grozny when " Ukrainian " drone came from Russian territory over the mountain range.
Unlikely that the drones were jammed since they hit the exact same spot on the same building. It's likely that the building housed the offices of a military-related company (perhaps a supplier or weapons manufacturer).
The building is very tall, so I wonder if the drones were really targeting something behind it. Perhaps they were just following the same path on the map at the same altitude, staying low to avoid detection.
There is jamming and then there is "spoofing". In the later, the GPS signal received by the drone is offset by a specific amount. That would account tor two drones hitting the same spot (and missing the intended coordinates).
Assuming that the first mark is in fact an impact mark, I suspect one of two explanations: 1) This spot was in fact the intentional target for two drones. 2) Two drones on were on the same flight-path and their programmed altitude wasn't quite high enough.
You may want to check Scott Manley‘s video on GPS jamming and spoofing. To my understanding, one can make a GPS receiver believe whatever coordinates (unless it makes additional feasibility checks). From experience few decades ago we know that Vladimir likes small explosions in high-rise residential buildings as firestarters for whatever next special operation is on his mind. An indicator if that’s the case is how their news report about the event.
Just like when they hit the downtown skyscrapers years ago... This is likely targeting POI, yes... But also serves as a sending message to the people who do not typically get sent to the front line. The rich, the powerful, the oligarchs, can still be affected by the war. I don't think this was jamming... If a drone is jammed it could hit anything at any altitude... That isn't the pattern we have seen.
Thank you from Northern California! Keep up the great work! I understand about nervousness in front of the camera but you handled it like a professional!
Heard that ruzz might jam not transmitting junk coordinates, but to transmit correct ones with raised altitude, so drone/missile would lower it flight pass and probably hit the ground or obstacle. Might be true
@@posmoo9790bot really there is video of a Russian Cruise missile hitting a residential sky scraper in the very early days of the war, that was almost certainly the result of not taking into account the height of the building in the route planning rather than deliberate.
I see a video of a third drone passing behind the tower at the same altitude. just missing the building. These were supposedly at 50 min. intervals. So ether the third drone missed the tower or the first two accidentally hit the tower.
why were multiple emergency vehicles visible in the first video,before the drone hit the building? Or was it the second drone and the interval between the hits was significant enough for emergency services to show up?
This strikes me more as GPS "Spoofing" rather than jamming. Jamming simply blocks the GPS signal from being received by the drone. Spoofing overwhelms the GPS signal with a FAKE GPS signal and can be used to give false coordinates to the drone, plane, missile, etc. I find it interesting that (3:40 in the video) the police and a fire truck are already prepositioned on the ground in the video. How did the Fire department and Police know to have the street blocked and the fire equipment on standby there? Seems a bit fishy, I think the Russians directed the drone into the building for the Media to claim Ukraine is attacking civilian targets.
2 options. Either the old 3D maps used to navigate drones do not show this building. Either the Russian electronic countermeasures system knocked the drone off course in such a way that it flew into the house. Because it makes no sense for them to launch a drone 1000+ km to hit an ordinary house, if they wanted to, there are a lot of cities with houses closer
I would consider the possibility that the target was just beyond the tower, and as the drones were heading towards the target, intercepting the building on the target vector. The other option that seems likely is that whatever was located in the unfortunate location was expected to have a high value target in place. Just a thought that sometimes, people don’t think in three dimensional space - they visualize the target path along a vector, but without taking into consideration what might be in between just *might* be high enough to interfere.
Jamming isn't likely to do that, but GPS spoofing could. Especially at 1,000 km, they would need to reference GPS occasionally to correct the inertial guidance system. Imagine two drones flying one after the other, the first hits the edge of the spoofing and is redirected. The second would hit the spoofing signal at the same spot and be redirected the same way. I could see it.
I understand there are 2 ways to Jam GPS: 1) fill the bandwidth with noise and 2) a Stronger signal with data giving offset on position. Thus, if both follow the same path and 2 is used, both would impact the same spot, thinking they are elsewhere.
the drone disappears over the top of the building - and then a burst of flames comes from the blackened part of the building below . VERY POOR PHOTOSHOP
The double impact makes me think jamming is unlikely unless one was just programmed to follow the other or something strange like that. Targeting VIPs seems more likely but still kind of strange since they're pretty slow moving and will be spotted coming in and it's not like they're going to take the whole building down. On top of that you couldn't know if the target would actually be there at the time the drones hit. I would guess some influential individual owned a secondary residence in the tower (or owned the tower itself) like an oil baron or someone with connections to the military industrial complex. If the drones are cheap enough maybe strikes like that could make sense to pressure Russian air defense batteries to cover a larger area.
Hard to say for certain why it was hit. It could have been that the altitude of the drones' flight paths were incorrect, and the building intercepted drones intended to hit another target. Or, there was believed to be high level personnel living at that location. But, it seems unlikely that they were interfered with electronically as they hit the same spot.
There's a big industrial complex on the west of the city so guessing that was the intended target. Labelled as a chemical plant on google maps but looks like munitions manufacture site to me.
@@Thesummerismagic12 If you look at the road and the triangular shaped car park in front of the building, the first video seems to be filmed from the hospital to the south west of the tower block. Thus the drones were flying east to west. edit: labelled hospital on google maps but just a medical centre in a block of flats
@@Is_this_username_uniquethe first picture seems to be taken from the south and the second one from the east, meaning the drones were indeed flying east west. I’ve trying to find the locations on Google Maps but this isn’t easy. Can’t find the structure from the 2nd picture right bottom corner.
There is an air base in Kazan, although it looks to house mostly cold war era swing wing fighters and a few more modern bombers (I'm not an aviation expert though!) Looks like many of them are being used for spares, so perhaps this is one of the repair facilities? There would also be lots of useful targets along the Volga river, especially around Nizhny Novgorod a little further to the east. I doubt these drones were heading that way, but it could be that Kazan wasn't the target and the drones just hit there because of jamming.
Jammers can also spoof GPS where they make a drone think it is on a specific corse and the missle just flies a path to its programmed target, so the spoofing could have made them go on that flight path to their target, but there was that building in the way instead.
The newer jammers try to confuse the drones by sending 'correct looking' signals but with a specific offset. The repeated miss by XX amount would be a likely outcome. If a drone was flying nap of the earth and it's eventual GPS target was say 10 degrees off, then the new vector might take the drone on a new flight path and run into whatever was in the way on the new vector. This would make the drone take a smooth, deliberate path as though it was intentional.
If people are wondering about the Powder Plant, it is located a good 11 kilometers to the west of the building that was hit at 55°48'59"N 49°1'9"E Still entirely possible it was jamming, a lot of people have the misconception that jamming always causes erratic behaviour, but these drones likely have built in "coasting" modes to prevent unwanted inputs in the event of jamming. See "ATTI" or "Attitude Mode" on DJI drones for example, its a similar thing. Given how long range these drones are, its even more likely they have coasting modes since they fly so low they probably suffer from connection issues by default. As for both of them hitting the same spot, course correction early on would result in massive differences in where the drones impact, so it makes sense they would both follow almost the exact same path, then get jammed before final course correction, resulting in them coasting into the building.
russians have multiple times demonstrated the ability to spoof SATNAV signals and that is what you'd be doing if you wanted to redirect a drone off-target. Jamming only prevents active control, GPS spoofing makes the autopilot think the drone is not where it is currently and readjust its heading.
Apart from jamming, another capability in electronic warfare is spoofing. Which in terms of GPS signal means overwhelming the satnav signal with your own signal (instead of noise as jamming works), which in turn can lead to "guiding". Why they "guided" the drones into a building and not in the field is a separate question.
Different types of jammers, some do GPS-Spoofing (=shifting the target -> same shift -> still same impact) and others interferre with the sensors, actuators, and processing equipment on the drones. I think the impact/intercept into the building was a willfully choosen act. As it is most likely the safest way to depose drones, that otherwise would take a dump anywhere either because they have an inertial/time/barometric programming. (it is also a good PR-spot, from a russian POV) Or that after detecting a spoofed signal can fall back on secondary means of local navigation using landmarks or radiosignals (e.g. VFR senders), there is a bit more orientation available than GNSS only, however mostly GNSS is incredible accurate and everything else has a higher margin of error if not used with adequate equipment.
GPS signal can be manipulated through jamming to render a wrong location (displacement) for the receiver, so as far as the drone is concerned it is on track and on target.
If you look at the side of the building that was struck, it faces south east. That means the two drones that hit were heading north west at the time. Look on google earth. Not far north west of that building is an airbase with Tupolev bombers stationed there. Given the accuracy of the 2 strikes on the building I would guess they were on a poorly planned flight route and not jammed. The planner didn't take into account the tall building. I have seen additional footage of another drone striking another tall building with a brown conical structure perched on the roof. Again on google earth, this building is just south west of the other building struck, so numerous drones were heading in that direction.
One more possible explanation is that they didn't account for the height of the building when planning the route. Drones need to fly as low as possible to avoid detection, and very high newer buildings such as this one might not be present on their maps. Or they might be sloppy and not check the height of absolutely everything on the path.
Ruzzia is now using buildings to intercept drones.
Operation Bertramski, ie WW2 Desert Campaign.
Saving million dollar equipment with billion dollar skyscraper.
😂 my first chuckle for today
In Putin's Russia, Drone does not hit target, the target intercepts the Drone!
And that counts as a Mission kill!
Oh my. 😂
Points to note:
1. Drone flying 1000km in daylight in a straight line at slow speed and low altitude (200kmh at 150m)
2. Russia was unable to shoot it down, as it fails with the majority of such drones
3. The UK was shooting down the majority of V1 Flying Bombs in 1945 (650kmh at 900m)
Conclusion: the UK had better anti-missile defense in WW2 than Russia has today. 80 YEARS AGO.
To be fair, the UK had a relatively narrow corridor along the Dover/Kent coast where the V1's were coming in from straight-line, so they could stack their AAA, radar, and fighters. Russia has a huge area to defend, a much greater radius on approaches to contend with, and the modern drones/cruise missiles they deal with can have waypoints inputted to take them around or dog-leg past areas of heavy defenses. It's a much bigger problem, not that I am crying for them.
@@MM22966 Yes, and also Britain had turned every spy sent into Britain (see stories about the "Doublecross System") and when German asked for the locations of the impact so that they could refine the navigation, the British slowly and systematically gave back incorrect coordinates that gradually moved the V-1 bombs to the North and East of London to less populated areas.
Higher and fazter means eazier to detect for both the radar and the munition
@@idoperlmutter6660 They also farted much louder than modern drones. And Brits had very large EARS(metal and concrete ones).
@@idoperlmutter6660it also means its harder to shoot down. Slow and low should be a turkey shoot, there was a time when russia was deemed impregnable to outside incursions ( save for the time a Cessna landed in red square piloted by Matthias Salt ) but that’s been shown to be a fallacy.
On at least one case of a Ukrainian drone attack on Moscow, the drone hit an office skyscraper which seemed odd until it was learned that the GRU had offices on precisely the floors that the drone hit. I suspect this maybe something similar. Either GRU or FSB or some other State offices were located on those floors. It could have been the offices of some oil company. Ukraine has had some very inside intelligence as we know. This is a rather unique situation when you consider that many Ukrainians speak Russian fluently and without an accent which makes it very easy for a Ukrainian agent to infiltrate a Russian organization. However, most Russians have difficulty understanding or even pronouncing Ukrainian. A friend of mine grew up in Crimea and was a native Russian speaker, but she considered herself Ukrainian rather than Russian, and she fled Crimea when the Russians invaded in 2014. She and her then two year old son fled to Lviv, in Western Ukraine, and she had to learn to speak Ukrainian. The Russo-Ukrainian War has many of the characteristics of a civil war even though Ukraine is a sovereign state. It would be like the American Colonial Rebellion against Great Britain in the 18th Century, what many people call the "American Revolution" Colonists with American sympathies could easily pass for Americans with British sympathies, you had New York City that sympathized with Great Britain while Boston and Philadelphia sympathized with the Rebellionists. When it comes to clandestine operations, partisans and espionage Russia and Ukraine are locked in a similar sort of combat, but Ukraine has the upper linguistic hand. For that reason, I would guess that some part of the Russian oligarchy had an apartment or offices of combination in that building and the Ukrainians learned exactly what floors to hit.
Really good point! Many Russian speaking Ukrainians always felt Ukrainian and never Russian. The language has sometimes nothing to do with your nationality. My wife is from Severodonetsk and lived there until 2017, always spoke Russian and never got any problem from Ukraine as the Russian propaganda wrongly claimed.
And by the way, I'm French speaking but my nationality is Swiss, so I always thought that assimilating a language to a country is sometimes nonsense.
I've read another comment, and it was talking about CEO of Shahed drones factory. Hard to draw conclusions as of now, but knowing Ukraine's intelligence capabilities, that specific floor of the building could have hosted someone important, as it's not likely to see two drones hitting a specific point because of jamming.
@@Arrow-em3yj True. I speak English (well, a variant) and I'm a Yank.
@Arrow-em3yj okay, I have a real wild one for you. I am a monoglot American who speaks only English, and I married a Japanese woman who speaks Japanese as her native language and English as her second language. We have two children, boys, who speak English and Japanese fluently, although they are literate in English and semi-literate in Japanese even though they are fluent in speaking and listening in both languages. Now here is the good part. When both boys were fourteen and sixteen, I took them to see a performance of Shakespeare's Macbeth because that is the shortest play by Shakespeare and about the only one I can follow unless I read the play before I see it. As you know Shakespearean or Elizabethan English differs from modern English. So I was worried that it might be too much for them. Imagine my surprise when I discovered that they could understand Elizabethan English without any problem. It was as easy for them to understand English from the time of Elizabeth the First in Shakespeare plays as easily as they understand Star Wars in the English of Elizabeth the Second. By the way, Yoda uses modern English words in Japanese syntax so they are fluent and literate in whatever language it is that Yoda speaks. If you want to try your hand at a marvelous performance of Romeo and Juliet in Shakespearean English then I suggest the film version of "Romeo and Juliet" which stars Leonard DiCaprio as Romeo and John Leguissasmo as Tybalt and is set in modern day Miami with the Montagu and Capulet families as warring drug cartels, but all the dialogue is precisely the Shakespearean English. Both my boys love it, and they especially like how the Duke of Florence is portrayed and who was cast in the role. I will avoid a spoiler, and you will have to see for yourself. I bet you let out a whoop of laughter when you see the Duke just as my boys did.
According to this guy from "A Swindled Russian" channel (Обманутый Россиянин), in the video "Путин, это что еще за сарай?! ТЫ ОБЕЩАЛ МНЕ ЖИЛЬЕ, Я ЖЕ ЗА ТЕБЯ ВОЕВАЛ" (Putin, what [kind of] a barn is this? YOU PROMISED ME A HOUSE, I HAVE FOUGHT FOR YOU, ruclips.net/video/i-oip8udsrY/видео.html):
In this building accomplices of [Putin's] regime, who [accomplices] lined their pockets with money they made on the war, including Shaheeds assembly (i.e. production) bough themselves apartaments
Him speaking, in Russian:
Дроны прилетели в элитные жилые комплексы где накупили квартир пособники режима, которые набили карманы на войне - в том числе на сборке Шахидов
Double impact nearly at the same floor? Probably some high ranking war crimials inside.
Not necessarily. If they were sending misdirecting GPS signals, and didn't change the settings, they could send the drones to the same place.
It's not a double impact IMHO, Look on street view, that's how certain floors of windows open. They swing open bottom to top, often in rows. I think it likely was just an open row of windows, and it hit there in coincidence.
@Ranstone saw a video on yt from the sun (channel from the UK), where it shows burning after the first hit, then clearly shows the second drone hitting the same spot
@@Ranstone nah, that is as unlikely as hitting a Polish tractor.
there were news that the CEO of the Shahed factory, which in the same city, has an apartment there.
keep on this one Suchomimus, my bet is there's someone special right there in that building, someone who needs to be reminded to keep it real
I think that someone special would have been gone after the first drone strike. Perhaps the target was some installation, like a big computer, or some important and irreplaceable lab equipment.
Right, important people in Kazan……..not likely.
@@letMeSayThatInIrish two could`ve been sent to ensure it was hit in case the first got shot down
According to this guy from "A Swindled Russian" channel (Обманутый Россиянин), in the video "Путин, это что еще за сарай?! ТЫ ОБЕЩАЛ МНЕ ЖИЛЬЕ, Я ЖЕ ЗА ТЕБЯ ВОЕВАЛ" (Putin, what [kind of] a barn is this? YOU PROMISED ME A HOUSE, I HAVE FOUGHT FOR YOU, ruclips.net/video/i-oip8udsrY/видео.html):
In this building accomplices of [Putin's] regime, who [accomplices] lined their pockets with money they made on the war, including Shaheeds assembly (i.e. production) bough themselves apartaments
Him speaking, in Russian:
Дроны прилетели в элитные жилые комплексы где накупили квартир пособники режима, которые набили карманы на войне - в том числе на сборке Шахидов
There were a total of eight drones flown into this town, all hitting buildings except one that was shot down and one that landed in a river.
Putlerbots working so hard to pretend that a “gunpowder factory” was the real target and that flying two drones on the level into the same window of the most *prominent* prestige home of oligarchs and generals in the entire city (a major financial centre) was just accidental.
The building is thought to contain an apartment belonging to Timur Shagivaleev, the CEO of the "Alabuga" Special Economic Zone" Fair target!
So people from Iraq and Afghanistan can fly planes into American buildings?
@@ItsReallyJackBlackhuh?
@@ItsReallyJackBlackNot after the war
@@ItsReallyJackBlack Ukraine is fighting a war here.
@@ItsReallyJackBlack This may be incredibly difficult to understand but enemy personnel including government functionaries and other "key personnal" are lawful targets. I don't expect civilians study LOAC because most prefer feelings to thought but for those so inclined history is interesting fun. Long range drones are too valuable to waste attacking randoms because doing so has zero military value and can generate negative publicity.
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@@suchomimus9921 The tower was the target. Even more drones flew into it and there is a video with police etc. already at the place with the tower burning on several floors while another drone comes along. Someone or something very important is the, was there. Maybe extensive troll farm or.... ?
This is the local info for this building. “The apartments are large, open plan. Underground parking on 3 floors. The law on silence at the local level from the Criminal Code is observed (repairs are carried out from 9:00-13:00 and from 15:00-19:00, on weekdays. Silence on weekends and holidays) Workers pass only through their elevator. You have to sign up for the freight elevator, which is very convenient.”
So one needn’t fear having to personally encounter servants, maintenance crews or other poors.
Makes you wonder who was living on that floor, then.
@@MM22966 It’s Russia’s “third capital” for financial business.
@@MM22966 It wasn't an assassination attempt.. Kazan Institute for Oil Industry Project Design, 1/4 mile down the road in the direction the drones were flying..
so this tower has a tradesman's entrance.
Why no repairs from 1pm to 3pm? Is that like nap or tea time?
That's a funny-looking building. Not immediately obvious that it's an apartment block or offices .. But if that hit hurt, we'll hear Vlad wailing. Sanath, you're a star, love your always-smiley face, thank you for all the heroic support you guys are giving.... And the sponsors. Slava Ukraine! 🙏💙💛🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦❤️
Definitely offices. Well, in West that would be. Most likely in Russia too. Who would like to live expensive block of houses, when Kazan has plenty of private houses too.
Any street view of it?
Poor lighting. It is much clearer on Google Maps street view.
@@juhanivalimaki5418 Sorry, but years worth of public information freely available - in the free world, anyway - proudly describes it as an elite building of 200sq m open-plan apartments, with separate elevators and strict timetables to keep the “workers” out of sight & hearing of residents.
Thank you, Suchomimus, for introducing us to another new AD system. Thank you, Sanath, for all your support of Ukraine!
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Over 1000km's is a substantive journey for the drone, and with the history of having hit this building previously speaks of a drone of an important mission trajectory for sure.
As for us here speculating, I've read below some very intelligent observations regarding this flight path that lend credence to the general flight of it.
Bottom line of course is we'll have to wait for further information and/or confirmations of it's target from the Ukrainian is Armed Forces.
We'll await your update regarding this drone strike Suchomimus knowing you'll be digging it up for us in your incredible follow ups.
Thanks for your reporting, pretty curious about this one. All the best to you,
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Whoever lived in the damaged apartments was wealthy and probably important as going by the reviews on Google maps the building is a prestige development, being the tallest building in the region and apartments having floor areas over 200sqm. It had effective security and it appears that electronic communications were being jammed even 3 years ago. My guess is that Ukraine had some info and used it.
200 sqm is a huge flat
According to this guy from "A Swindled Russian" channel (Обманутый Россиянин), in the video "Путин, это что еще за сарай?! ТЫ ОБЕЩАЛ МНЕ ЖИЛЬЕ, Я ЖЕ ЗА ТЕБЯ ВОЕВАЛ" (Putin, what [kind of] a barn is this? YOU PROMISED ME A HOUSE, I HAVE FOUGHT FOR YOU, ruclips.net/video/i-oip8udsrY/видео.html):
In this building accomplices of [Putin's] regime, who [accomplices] lined their pockets with money they made on the war, including Shaheeds assembly (i.e. production) bough themselves apartaments
Him speaking, in Russian:
Дроны прилетели в элитные жилые комплексы где накупили квартир пособники режима, которые набили карманы на войне - в том числе на сборке Шахидов
what matter? it's a damn creditably long strike. 🙂 Слава Україна 🇺🇦 з 🇦🇺
It matters because of the potential optics to the wider world. ruZZia demonstrates that it is a terrorist state by indiscriminately attacking civilian target, it is necessary for world opinion & Western support that Ukraine does not stoop so low as to commit the same war crimes.
@@tricky1581 One such incident sink into oblivion compared to the Russian strikes. Everyone accepts that accidents just happens without any intention. This is not a warcrime by any means.
@@tricky1581 Russia has no credibility any more so, anything they say, is usually ignored or made fun of.
If it was some kind of interference, it may have been GPS spoofing vs jamming.
With spoofing, the gps would report the same, wrong, thing for both drones, jamming blocks the signal totally, hence the random impacts.
Just a theory.
I dont get that because you could just use Galileo instead, the drone is well below the speed limit and even the civilian signal cant be spoofed. It is even resistant to replay attacks, and most cheap receivers do Galileo in addition to GPS and Glonass
@jonathanbuzzard1376 commercial aircraft suffer spoofing all the time. If it's so easy to negate, why don't they?
@@dzzope It is technically easy to negate. However, you would have to recertify for a Galileo receiver in a commercial aircraft, which gets very expensive and bureaucratic. It is also not 100% clear if the FAA would allow aircraft that relied on a foreign GNSS for operation. Bear in mind that we have inertial navigation systems that would allow you to fly over the Atlantic and be only a few km out when you get to the other side. It's not an issue when air traffic control picks you up on the airport radar and corrects you. However, this is military grade technology and is not allowed in commercial aircraft.
@@jonathanbuzzard1376 FAA only has jurisdiction in the US, the world is a big place and much of the spoofing is happening over the baltics. Inertial navigation is fine if you are aware of limitations on gps accuracy and operate them correctly (gyros needs periodic recalibration), these days it's generally only used as a backup and then only if the pilot is aware of any discrepancy from the gps or has warnings that there is spoofing active in the area.
You said civilian systems couldn't be spoofed, I simply pointed one out that was. There is no info on what guidance the specific drones were actually using. So it's still a possibility. Many drones are kitbashed from what resources they have laying around.
Again, just a theory.
But months ago, Ukraine started using GPS only for general navigation, and switching to various options for the precise targeting. I guess Russian mushrooms wouldn’t know that, though.
Please let Sanith know that he never needs to be embarrassed about equipment getting destroyed and needing to be replaced. We know it is a warzone.
Thanks Suchomimus for sharing your thoughts! 👍🏻
this also could caused by this tower simply to be on the path/trajectory of the drone , they could have programed to fly low but as it happened this thing was simply in the way.
Twice?
Wow, Putlerbots working so hard to not mention how this brings the war to the people who run it. Who believed themselves insulated from it.
Kazan is an important financial center and this - most visible prestige building in town - was built specifically so the elite need never encounter the plebs. The elite being the oligarchs and the military. Remember how Tatarstan voted for independence back in the 1990s and Russia just moved the military in? Or is that one of the many things that has been written out of The Big History Textbook for Children of Totalitarian Regimes…?
@@shawnr771 yes it makes sense, they follow the same pre programmed route, after being launched, they cleary ware near target , we have seen this before , the come low and one after another in very short sucesion
@@RokoWoju The previous damage seemed older.
If there was another target the results of the first drone strike would have alerted the programmers to alter the course.
Leads me to believe that whatever or whoever they want to hit is in that building.
@@shawnr771 that is also a possibility, but I understand that when those drones are this far away and number of them on route they are no longer under control or monitored , in particular that target areas are well protected against the drones or GPS signal is disrupted.
we will have to wait for more information, I follow this Russian guy that lives in Poland and from this town - as far as he knows those are just civilian apartments, unless they are after people but it seems a bit of overkill
Not a drone, it's a ICBC Inter Continental Ballistic Cesna 😂
Correction: ICBBC
Inter Continental Ballistic Baby Cesna
That can't be intercepted
LMAO 😅
Russia is pathetic
it's a SCBC = same Continental Ballistic Cesna 😂
there is no inter ;o)
I was going to say that perhaps Ukraine didn't know how high this building is, because it's so much taller than everything else in the town. But, actually, the Google Earth photo shows a shadow that makes that rather obvious. Two questions:
Who owns the building? Maybe it's an investment by one of Putin's cronies?
Who occupies that particular apartment? Because both drones struck the far side of the building compared to where they probably came from, and that suggests they were trying to hit a specific side of the building: an accidental hit would have been the other side, surely?
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Another fearless interception by ground based protection systems.
The 1000km plus.....is still good news....plus Phyops...plying on their minds
One type of GPS spoofing can produce that effect. But I doubt anyone is still using a purely GPS guided drone this far into the war.
It could also be bad route planning, or that this is actually the target.
The drones were programmed on that route. Unfortunately that building was in the way. No jamming here.
would it be China I would say they built it after the last maps update
wouldnt ukraine have thought about that though, and programmed them to fly around the big buildings
@@suchomimus9921 Only if they had accurate information. On the over head satellite view it could just look like a low building.
@@suchomimus9921 Mistakes do happen. Be interesting to see what may have been on the other side of the bldg along the flight path though flight plan may had changes of direction.
Headed here now doubt: Voyskovaya Chast' 58661
Войсковая часть 58661
Military base
!! My quick take. Unlikely jammed off course, because of the double tap. Could be autonomous image recognition, unjammable. Could be going after a person, but without knowing when the first hit occurred, would venture it was after some equipment or fabrication facility in the building on that level.
This is probably the simplest explanation (Occam). Two strikes being randomly redirected to the same spot is not simple, but wildly improbable (impossible? - the Holmes quote comes to mind).
A remarkable video. Thanks.
Appears to be some time between strikes as emergency service vehicles are already there before second strike - in exactly the same place. I'm guessing both drones hit exactly where intended 😊
🇺🇦 thx Dino Dude 🇺🇦 I'm not a big fan of coincidences. It looks like it was deliberately targeted, again.
Jammers can be split into two categories:
1. Noise senders disturb a signal to make it unavailable. This may make a radio remote control channel or a GPS signal become unusable, e.g. so that a drone doesn't know where it is or can't be controlled remotely any more.
2. Spoofers send out false signals. This may give a drone a false impression of where it is, or may make an enemy take over a drone. If drones keep hitting the same wrong spot, this may be because of a spoofer, faking a GPS sender.
Surely, if you're going to go to the trouble of spoofing, you're going to set-up randomized offsets? Otherwise, your consistent false signal itself could be used as exactly the navigational aid you're attempting to defeat.
Your theory also seems to presuppose no cross-checking within the system being spoofed, which would be a remarkable level of weakness.
Consider this : The intended target was a specific office or apartment. To ensure success, they used two drones, increasing the likelihood that at least one would hit the target. In this case, both drones successfully struck the target. Considering wind and weather conditions, this approach seems feasible, as achieving such precise accuracy without functional guidance systems would otherwise be challenging.
There were actually 8 drones. 4 hit other buildings, one was shot down, and one landed in a river.
In principle it is an apartament building, but it is not unusual in Russia to have "mixed use" skyscrapers, on some floors apartments, offices on others.
Panie Jerzy... Tam se przepikne kwartiry luksusowe zakupili ci, co cinszkie dutki zarabotali na całej tej specoperacji, w tym na produkcji Szahidów.
Jeśli, rzecz jasna, prawdę powiada ów gościu z kanału Обманутый Россиянин (w roliku pt. "Путин, это что еще за сарай?! ТЫ ОБЕЩАЛ МНЕ ЖИЛЬЕ, Я ЖЕ ЗА ТЕБЯ ВОЕВАЛ" ), ruclips.net/video/i-oip8udsrY/видео.html):
_Дроны прилетели в элитные жилые комплексы где накупили квартир пособники режима, которые набили карманы на войне - в том числе на сборке Шахидов_
Znaczy, "kto wronami..." - ee..., znaczy "DRONAMI wojuje, temu drony wpierdal spuszczą takoż" - czy jakoś tak to szło. ;-)
Locals say they were most likely flying to a gunpowder factory. One of the drones fell 600 meters short of it.
Locals say this building was built for the elite. It even has separate elevators so the residents need never meet servants or workers. Nobody’s crying except the rich.
If they're spoofing the GPS rather than just jamming the signal it could perhaps cause multiple drones to deviate in the same way
These also have imu guidance as well so that’s unlikely
@crxgames Inertial navigation is low accuracy compared to GNSS, and accuracy deteriorates the longer it is relied upon. Should only really be used during periods of LOS from the GNSS constellation, when signal is restored the INS is reset from the new 'known' location. If the drone is being spoofed and doesn't 'know' I would presume that it resolves conflict between the two guidance systems by assuming the sat nav is correct. I could be wrong - I can say with confidence this is how it works for satellites, maybe different for military drones .
A poor job programming waypoints is much more likely. This shows a complete lack of after-action review of each operation. Making the same tactical mistakes repeatedly is expensive, relays your tactics to your enemy, and makes future success more difficult. You’d think by now they’d have their shit together.
@@nathanturner21That it impacted within the CEP of the earlier drone mishap indicates both were flying on the exact same course and altitude. Poor route planning together a failure to learn from their mistakes the time around. This points to a command/organizational failure. With limited assets you’d think they’d have a much better planning review process.
@@nathanturner21most modern autopilots use something like a kalman filter. They don't just choose one source when they disagree they bias towards the one that matches all the others. Most systems have multiple sources. Not just ins and gnss. For example optical flow, air speed, ins, gnss, and maybe something like vio. That's why spoofing is usually faded in slowly so the autopilot doesn't just ignore the gnss when it sees it not matching everything else.
Ask the Ukrainians
I’m not one for conspiracy theories,but nothing is too low for Putler
0:26 in addition, it took russia an entire year to figure out how to jam excalibur and himars, if the US had been at war with russia instead of ukraine, we would have won that war in about a month at most. They wouldn't have had remotely enough time to figure out how to jam them. Realistically, a conflict lasting 3 years or more is actually a very long time for the standards of warfare in the 20th century and after
Thats only your dreams, reality is different
Bob Marley should enter this talk of jammin'😅
0:26 Russian EW and jamming isn't really that good. Himars and Excalibur were made at a time when the US was fighting jihadists with absolutely zero advanced military capabilities, and the US and Europe had massively underinvested in electronic warfare and jamming for decades. Russia was simply average at it for the time, but were better than the US in the same way that a man having $1 is technically richer than a man with no dollar- they were just caught up to the current times while we were so behind on the times and underdeveloped in EW. once that situation ended in the late 2010s and we woke up, we easily caught up and have currently surpassed russia in EW and jamming.
Just 180 m north of that building in the flight direction is the Kazanskoye Aviapredpriyatiye, they seem to maintain and repair helicopters and train pilots.
The building hit is by far the tallest building in the vicinity. It is at least 30 storeys and over 100m tall. When the drones hit the building they were flying straight an level, not trying to dive onto a target. The drones were under control and did not appear to by flying erratically, which would be likely if they were being jammed.
I think that the route of the drones was planned to attack another target (possibly to the West) and that the planners did not take into account the clearance required to miss this tower.
I agree, I also think they were in autopilot mode and maybe like you said didn't account for the tall building.
Or the tower is higher than they thought. remember its russia, there is a possibility that the owner build a few floors higher than he was allowed but the official hight of the tower is of course the old building plan...
@@marcpaulus6291 that's not how it works
Or it's just standard terrorism, not the first time Ukraine targeted civilians for no reason
@@marcpaulus6291It certainly seems like a mistake. Ukraine already doesn't have enough military armament to defend itself so it makes no sense for it to strike civilian targets.
Russian civilian population has essentially 0% chance of being swayed by an attack on civilian targets by a country that Russia is at war against,. It makes no sense for Ukraine to intentionally do this.
Very much likely that it's a mistake.
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This video should be silent, too much fanfare.
Really well done, Artur! History of the Caucasus and the Baltics are not well known enough in the west because of the Iron Curtain.
Its 40 floor residential tower called Azure skies
You can also see both camera operators filming the location prior to the second drone impacting, they were expecting the second drone to hit the same spot. Plus the cop car had lights and sirens on, probably after the first impact.
You bring up a good point. That's how often someone has the camera on their phone focused on a target when it gets hit. Could they be the local source of the targeting information?
It will worry Russian citizens
In Moscow the average citizens did celebrate, when then highs class areas was hit some time back,, they said,, good , now they can feel it too ,not that the low clas areas had been hit, but it was from the low class the recruitments was going out
That's exactly the terror-bombing we're criticizing Putin for using, racist.
Thanks very much for that Keep well
Two drones hitting the same spot on the high rise building could be launched and operated only locally, not from 1000 km away.The same, as recent attack in Grozny when " Ukrainian " drone came from Russian territory over the mountain range.
Could also be a preset route. Building was in the way maybe..
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Unlikely that the drones were jammed since they hit the exact same spot on the same building. It's likely that the building housed the offices of a military-related company (perhaps a supplier or weapons manufacturer).
If you make rude gestures at passing drone you've got to expect this sort of thing.
Bashar al Assad's apartment? It was on the 37-floor Azure skies residential tower. Seems there was a total of 8 drones hitting Kazan.
Trying to locate it on Google Earth. Can't find it. Can you help please? K
@@kite7214 fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazan. You can change language, of course, and you can see the location and geographical coordinates in this page.
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It is hard to be sure the outcome was a non military target. Time will tell.
Thank you for the update.
You would think with a big hole in the side of the building that the building would be empty.
Very interessting. Thank You.
Thanks for the report, Sucho.
The building is very tall, so I wonder if the drones were really targeting something behind it.
Perhaps they were just following the same path on the map at the same altitude, staying low to avoid detection.
There is jamming and then there is "spoofing". In the later, the GPS signal received by the drone is offset by a specific amount. That would account tor two drones hitting the same spot (and missing the intended coordinates).
Could there be some kind of electronic devises in that tower? Radar or jammers etc. Maybe the tower functioned as a connection station?
Assuming that the first mark is in fact an impact mark, I suspect one of two explanations:
1) This spot was in fact the intentional target for two drones.
2) Two drones on were on the same flight-path and their programmed altitude wasn't quite high enough.
You may want to check Scott Manley‘s video on GPS jamming and spoofing. To my understanding, one can make a GPS receiver believe whatever coordinates (unless it makes additional feasibility checks).
From experience few decades ago we know that Vladimir likes small explosions in high-rise residential buildings as firestarters for whatever next special operation is on his mind. An indicator if that’s the case is how their news report about the event.
Just like when they hit the downtown skyscrapers years ago... This is likely targeting POI, yes... But also serves as a sending message to the people who do not typically get sent to the front line. The rich, the powerful, the oligarchs, can still be affected by the war. I don't think this was jamming... If a drone is jammed it could hit anything at any altitude... That isn't the pattern we have seen.
Thank you from Northern California! Keep up the great work! I understand about nervousness in front of the camera but you handled it like a professional!
Thanks a lot for sharing this interesting analysis with us.
Thanks Sucho! Maybe the building was just in the intended flight path. Its height missed by the programmers? Just guessing.
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Heard that ruzz might jam not transmitting junk coordinates, but to transmit correct ones with raised altitude, so drone/missile would lower it flight pass and probably hit the ground or obstacle. Might be true
Thanks Such.
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Planner failed to recognize the height of the building on the planned flight path?
franklly that is impossible. like ignoring your waypoint just happens to go through LAX. It was deliberate
@@posmoo9790no it was not. Russia’s own air defense caused it
We don't know that. SBU has taken responsibility for a lot of hits that would be classed as terrorism by any other actor.
@@posmoo9790bot really there is video of a Russian Cruise missile hitting a residential sky scraper in the very early days of the war, that was almost certainly the result of not taking into account the height of the building in the route planning rather than deliberate.
@@alexanderg-p3z Fighting back against an invader is terrorism now?
I see a video of a third drone passing behind the tower at the same altitude. just missing the building. These were supposedly at 50 min. intervals. So ether the third drone missed the tower or the first two accidentally hit the tower.
why were multiple emergency vehicles visible in the first video,before the drone hit the building? Or was it the second drone and the interval between the hits was significant enough for emergency services to show up?
This strikes me more as GPS "Spoofing" rather than jamming. Jamming simply blocks the GPS signal from being received by the drone. Spoofing overwhelms the GPS signal with a FAKE GPS signal and can be used to give false coordinates to the drone, plane, missile, etc. I find it interesting that (3:40 in the video) the police and a fire truck are already prepositioned on the ground in the video. How did the Fire department and Police know to have the street blocked and the fire equipment on standby there? Seems a bit fishy, I think the Russians directed the drone into the building for the Media to claim Ukraine is attacking civilian targets.
2 options. Either the old 3D maps used to navigate drones do not show this building. Either the Russian electronic countermeasures system knocked the drone off course in such a way that it flew into the house. Because it makes no sense for them to launch a drone 1000+ km to hit an ordinary house, if they wanted to, there are a lot of cities with houses closer
Doesn’t look like a residential building. My bet is something military or official in there.
They were aiming for the 'Aristocrat Billiard Club' a notorious FSB hangout, better luck next time.
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All of you are wrong, it was falling debris from shot down drone. 😅
I would consider the possibility that the target was just beyond the tower, and as the drones were heading towards the target, intercepting the building on the target vector. The other option that seems likely is that whatever was located in the unfortunate location was expected to have a high value target in place.
Just a thought that sometimes, people don’t think in three dimensional space - they visualize the target path along a vector, but without taking into consideration what might be in between just *might* be high enough to interfere.
Jamming isn't likely to do that, but GPS spoofing could. Especially at 1,000 km, they would need to reference GPS occasionally to correct the inertial guidance system. Imagine two drones flying one after the other, the first hits the edge of the spoofing and is redirected. The second would hit the spoofing signal at the same spot and be redirected the same way. I could see it.
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Thank you Suchomimus.
Too much of a coincidence. Its still a needle in a haystack hitting a building
I understand there are 2 ways to Jam GPS: 1) fill the bandwidth with noise and 2) a Stronger signal with data giving offset on position. Thus, if both follow the same path and 2 is used, both would impact the same spot, thinking they are elsewhere.
Oh well 💩 happens in war. Never would have happened if they didn’t invade.
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the drone disappears over the top of the building - and then a burst of flames comes from the blackened part of the building below . VERY POOR PHOTOSHOP
It's underside painted pale grey, it disappeared against the grey building.
The double impact makes me think jamming is unlikely unless one was just programmed to follow the other or something strange like that. Targeting VIPs seems more likely but still kind of strange since they're pretty slow moving and will be spotted coming in and it's not like they're going to take the whole building down. On top of that you couldn't know if the target would actually be there at the time the drones hit. I would guess some influential individual owned a secondary residence in the tower (or owned the tower itself) like an oil baron or someone with connections to the military industrial complex. If the drones are cheap enough maybe strikes like that could make sense to pressure Russian air defense batteries to cover a larger area.
Hard to say for certain why it was hit. It could have been that the altitude of the drones' flight paths were incorrect, and the building intercepted drones intended to hit another target. Or, there was believed to be high level personnel living at that location. But, it seems unlikely that they were interfered with electronically as they hit the same spot.
There's a big industrial complex on the west of the city so guessing that was the intended target. Labelled as a chemical plant on google maps but looks like munitions manufacture site to me.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the drones were flying east. Look at the shape of the non-symmetrical building and compare with Google maps street view.
@@Thesummerismagic12 If you look at the road and the triangular shaped car park in front of the building, the first video seems to be filmed from the hospital to the south west of the tower block. Thus the drones were flying east to west.
edit: labelled hospital on google maps but just a medical centre in a block of flats
@@Is_this_username_uniquethe first picture seems to be taken from the south and the second one from the east, meaning the drones were indeed flying east west. I’ve trying to find the locations on Google Maps but this isn’t easy. Can’t find the structure from the 2nd picture right bottom corner.
There is an air base in Kazan, although it looks to house mostly cold war era swing wing fighters and a few more modern bombers (I'm not an aviation expert though!) Looks like many of them are being used for spares, so perhaps this is one of the repair facilities? There would also be lots of useful targets along the Volga river, especially around Nizhny Novgorod a little further to the east. I doubt these drones were heading that way, but it could be that Kazan wasn't the target and the drones just hit there because of jamming.
Jammers can also spoof GPS where they make a drone think it is on a specific corse and the missle just flies a path to its programmed target, so the spoofing could have made them go on that flight path to their target, but there was that building in the way instead.
The newer jammers try to confuse the drones by sending 'correct looking' signals but with a specific offset. The repeated miss by XX amount would be a likely outcome. If a drone was flying nap of the earth and it's eventual GPS target was say 10 degrees off, then the new vector might take the drone on a new flight path and run into whatever was in the way on the new vector. This would make the drone take a smooth, deliberate path as though it was intentional.
If people are wondering about the Powder Plant, it is located a good 11 kilometers to the west of the building that was hit at 55°48'59"N 49°1'9"E
Still entirely possible it was jamming, a lot of people have the misconception that jamming always causes erratic behaviour, but these drones likely have built in "coasting" modes to prevent unwanted inputs in the event of jamming. See "ATTI" or "Attitude Mode" on DJI drones for example, its a similar thing.
Given how long range these drones are, its even more likely they have coasting modes since they fly so low they probably suffer from connection issues by default.
As for both of them hitting the same spot, course correction early on would result in massive differences in where the drones impact, so it makes sense they would both follow almost the exact same path, then get jammed before final course correction, resulting in them coasting into the building.
russians have multiple times demonstrated the ability to spoof SATNAV signals and that is what you'd be doing if you wanted to redirect a drone off-target. Jamming only prevents active control, GPS spoofing makes the autopilot think the drone is not where it is currently and readjust its heading.
Apart from jamming, another capability in electronic warfare is spoofing. Which in terms of GPS signal means overwhelming the satnav signal with your own signal (instead of noise as jamming works), which in turn can lead to "guiding". Why they "guided" the drones into a building and not in the field is a separate question.
It could be GPS spoofing - so both drones think they're somewhere else, but they both see the same alternate reality.
There is a gun powder plant in Kazan the the drone most likely targeted.
Different types of jammers, some do GPS-Spoofing (=shifting the target -> same shift -> still same impact) and others interferre with the sensors, actuators, and processing equipment on the drones.
I think the impact/intercept into the building was a willfully choosen act. As it is most likely the safest way to depose drones, that otherwise would take a dump anywhere either because they have an inertial/time/barometric programming. (it is also a good PR-spot, from a russian POV)
Or that after detecting a spoofed signal can fall back on secondary means of local navigation using landmarks or radiosignals (e.g. VFR senders), there is a bit more orientation available than GNSS only, however mostly GNSS is incredible accurate and everything else has a higher margin of error if not used with adequate equipment.
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GPS signal can be manipulated through jamming to render a wrong location (displacement) for the receiver, so as far as the drone is concerned it is on track and on target.
If you look at the side of the building that was struck, it faces south east. That means the two drones that hit were heading north west at the time. Look on google earth. Not far north west of that building is an airbase with Tupolev bombers stationed there. Given the accuracy of the 2 strikes on the building I would guess they were on a poorly planned flight route and not jammed. The planner didn't take into account the tall building.
I have seen additional footage of another drone striking another tall building with a brown conical structure perched on the roof. Again on google earth, this building is just south west of the other building struck, so numerous drones were heading in that direction.
One more possible explanation is that they didn't account for the height of the building when planning the route. Drones need to fly as low as possible to avoid detection, and very high newer buildings such as this one might not be present on their maps. Or they might be sloppy and not check the height of absolutely everything on the path.