Your assessment of the current Rolex situation is spot on. It is an absurdity to pay $35,000 for a 41mm Tiffany PERIOD. And at $25,000 for the smaller diameter is still ludicrous just 10 thousand less ludicrous. The first two watches you mention are fairly priced and quality time pieces and as for the Explorer, yes at $10,000 it would round out the trio. As you know there are several other German and Swiss time pieces that would suit very well. As always thank you Ben for the information and your time. Stay well !
For collectors who ACTUALLY LIKE watches, I can't believe they would shell out that much cash on an OP. Plenty of other choices as well, some viewers suggested a 41mm Sub (yes, that's cheaper than the OP!), a Speedmaster 3861, a Glashutte Original SeaQ (one of my favorites), a JLC moon phase, or a Zenith Chronomaster Sport... all good choices and it's crazy to think you could have 3 of those for the price of 1 OP. The ones I picked are based on timelessness, movement, water resistance, and at least keeping their value, but if one is willing to look beyond Rolex, there are so many other options!
I totally agree with you regarding the hype with the Tiffany OP... My 3 choices around 25k would be as follows... 1- Explorer 1 or Submariner 2- Omega speedmaster professional moon watch 3- JLC Reverso If buying the omega and JLC in secondary/preowned, These 3 can be had for around 25k...
Yes, very good choices too! Amazing that even a Sub 41 can now be found cheaper than that OP... and by shopping carefully, you might be able to find a nice Reverso too. All timeless as well.
Indeed, if people can get past the "jewelry brand" name, that's some serious watchmaking they offer. (and they own super high-end brand Ferdinand Berthoud which I did not know and recently found out!)
Oh wow that's a killer collection for the budget! Love all of these!! That would NEVER happen now with these crazy prices.... you did well and now you can sit back and watch the circus.
Yes-very well done Ben, practicality, sanity and aside from having unlimited income you won't feel like a fool after passing up these three for that one!
Exactly! I did that exercise last week and was shock how hyped rolex has become! Well in the end watches or not essential and if somebody is willing to pay so much for something so not needed we have to congratulate those people😀 seems like everybody has very good financial condition
@@bbrebozo6417 well I would argue with that. What about house? What about car? Sometimes spending money that you do not have - especially in a stagflation environment can be very good. What do you think? Is it always spending money that you do not have bad? All the best!
@@mateuszmrowiec4265 Real estate will never let you down over the long term (well at least here in Hong Kong!) so it's worth borrowing for while investing now in a highly speculative item like that OP may not pay off in the future when the hype comes down (I guess you have to get in and out quickly) and you may get burnt if you've paid current market price for it on borrowed money.
@@TOKKANTE In my opinion it is all about the rate of return. Real Estate yes in the very long term you will not lose money but you should expect about ~5% (including taxes, maintenance ect). At the same time, you can flip a few watches and get an even higher rate of return. Hence so much hype and low-interest rates with raging inflation do not help.
Love the Chopard watch not interested in any Tudor but I have the 39mm Explorer, bought it a year before it became obsolete but prefer 39mm over 36mm anyway.
Agree ,I tried the 36mm and it looks quite small even on my wrist, I'd still go for the 39mm. The Chopard is such great value... When I did my video on the Baltic MR01, some people told me oh you can't find another micro-rotor under 10K.... Well, here's one! And Parmigiani Tonda is another one!
You’re absolutely right, better 3 timeless watches instead of one overhyped and overpriced turquoise OP because let’s face it, it doesn’t even have any connection with Tiffany. I also get itchy when someone shows me his/her new watch and first thing they say is “I bought this one because it’s a good investment” 😏
@@Maarten_official_account I just read today that Jean Claude Biver's NFT of his Hublot still hasn't sold, no offers at auction... and that was supposed to break all records.
Yes, the OP in turquoise or any other dial is not for me. Great watch for a young professional starting out and I am not a speculator. Great video! Keep them coming.
There is a 4th reason to get the watch… if you get extremely reliable information that it will bd discontinued.( which it very well may). Then I can see the Turquoise op41 easily fetching 50k because of its relatively short production run.
Yes, but still, only if you could get it at around retail then and get some decent profit in because if you're getting it at current market prices, you're nowhere assured that it will keep going up tough. At some point, people will realize you could just get a Daytona for that price! Even discontinued, the OP will not keep going up forever, so where's the plateau?...
@@TOKKANTE if market value now is ~35 and it gets discontinued it’ll have way less of the turquoise op 41 out there than the Daytona. Even now the 41 turquoise op is being received less than the Daytona at AD’s because it’s one version of the 30 odd variations of that watch available. Presently at an average of 35 GMD prices the turquoise is going for 6x msrp while the panda Daytona is going for 3.5x msrp. I’d say demand for both are on par with the op slightly edging out the Daytona. Reason being the Daytona has been out for way longer and most people who are serious collectors or those willing to pay GM prices already have one but still don’t have an op. It is going to definitely reach to the 45-50k region if discontinued next month. We need to stop look at these things as watches. They are commodities/assets/alternative investments. The people paying these prices don’t care about which watch is better. Financial time wrote an article a couple months back depicting how the mainland Chinese with money are shying away from real estate and leaning towards watches. as a matter of fact a lot of people are doing that.
@@ryanbanks4265 Yes assuming the interest remains stable in the long term, but are we sure it will though? Look at the original Stella dials, on which those OPs are based. They're also limited and discontinued, and yes their value have gone up, but there's a limit and it's kind of a niche product. Those OPs are super hot right now, and we can look at them as investment vehicles, but I wonder if after a while interest will move on to something else and the bubble will deflate somewhat (or a lot). The "Tiffany" dial is only one color out of 30 yes but they're also maybe way more OPs than Daytonas because the OP is (supposedly) an entry-level model while the Daytona has a much more complicated movement in it which is manufactured in lesser quantities. In the long term, the Daytona still remains King while that particular OP may not retain that 50k status. So I'd just recommend to get in and out fast, get the profit in if possible. It seems more like a trend right now. And then I dunno, if Rolex re-released the Oysterquartz with a wood dial or Lapis Lazuli , then everyone would speculate on that one and forget about that OP... I'd bet on the classics!
@@TOKKANTE nothing Rolex is a trend. Rolex is Rolex. Love them or hate them they are the king of watches. Were actual kings back in the day the strongest, best looking or smartest? Absolutely not.. but they were king. And Rolex is just like that. I don’t think the price will ever go down significantly under normal circumstances….. unless there is some major worldwide catosptrophe. Where in that case none of this shit will have any value. The most major worldwide incident for over maybe the last 75 years came and is now on its way out. At the start a lot of social media experts were speculating how the prices of these luxury commodities would tank. They were 100% wrong. We are at a time where people spend billion buying cryptocurrency (something that has zero intrinsic value). It is literally nothing. Art is large and bulky.. hard to transport. Hard to store. Investment wine and scotch also bulky nard to store and move around with. gold is cool but boring. Diamonds are in abundance. Real estate is extremely expensive to get into and volatile. Crypto is extremely volatile. Cash is useless as an investment. Stock and bonds are cool if you know what you’re doing. For some reason certain models have taken its place in society as major investment pieces. Doesn’t matter if Rolex only makes 2000 Tiffany op 41’s year I’m certain there are 200,000 people worldwide that want one. It’s not going to get better unless there is a major disaster OR Rolex starts making 5-10 million watches a year. The prices of the hot models will fluctuate here and there but ultimately go up. Especially when discontinued Rolex is not a fad. Rolex is not panerai. P.s. social media has a major part to play in this. Instagram and youtube has made these luxury products common knowledge to the masses. And everyone now wants one. What did you expect to happen to its prices. These items were never intended to be for the masses.
@@TOKKANTE interesting to see where the price of this watch goes now….along with the red and yellow.. you gave your friend horrible advice. Yet another ‘’watch advisor/ blogger/ content creator’’ who knows jack $#!t about the watch market.
Current rolex prices are obscene. I almost got caught up in the hype a few weeks ago before coming to my senses. It's all built on f.o.m.o. and looking to flex on the next watch guy.
I looked at the thumbnail and thought I can buy a sheep instead of a Rolex. Mildly disappointed. In all seriousness, I would go with Zenith for sports, just to mess with Rolex fans, then a JLC moon for dress and Omega for everyday. PS : wait, you are the guy who lives in HK?
I wonder how many sheep 25k buys you... now I feel like I need to go google the price of a sheep. Good choices as well, JLC is increasing prices as well though. Yes, I'm the guy who lives in HK!
@@TOKKANTE oh well, regardless of how much a sheep should be, it's not going to be 25K (although not sustainable in Hong Kong) and most importantly, I wouldn't have to get on a non-existent waiting list in which ranking is only determined by how many lamb chops I've already purchased last year. If JLC is getting too ridiculous, Glashutte Original is always there for you.
Your assessment of the current Rolex situation is spot on. It is an absurdity to pay $35,000 for a 41mm Tiffany PERIOD.
And at $25,000 for the smaller diameter is still ludicrous just 10 thousand less ludicrous.
The first two watches you mention are fairly priced and quality time pieces and as for the Explorer, yes at $10,000 it would round out the trio.
As you know there are several other German and Swiss time pieces that would suit very well.
As always thank you Ben for the information and your time. Stay well !
For collectors who ACTUALLY LIKE watches, I can't believe they would shell out that much cash on an OP. Plenty of other choices as well, some viewers suggested a 41mm Sub (yes, that's cheaper than the OP!), a Speedmaster 3861, a Glashutte Original SeaQ (one of my favorites), a JLC moon phase, or a Zenith Chronomaster Sport... all good choices and it's crazy to think you could have 3 of those for the price of 1 OP. The ones I picked are based on timelessness, movement, water resistance, and at least keeping their value, but if one is willing to look beyond Rolex, there are so many other options!
I totally agree with you regarding the hype with the Tiffany OP... My 3 choices around 25k would be as follows...
1- Explorer 1 or Submariner
2- Omega speedmaster professional moon watch
3- JLC Reverso
If buying the omega and JLC in secondary/preowned, These 3 can be had for around 25k...
Yes, very good choices too! Amazing that even a Sub 41 can now be found cheaper than that OP... and by shopping carefully, you might be able to find a nice Reverso too. All timeless as well.
I just saw the thumbnail, and gave this video a like.
Haha, thank you! That's all it took?! That's one convincing sheep.
Chopard is highly underrated. That's just beautiful.
Great content, keep it up!
Indeed, if people can get past the "jewelry brand" name, that's some serious watchmaking they offer. (and they own super high-end brand Ferdinand Berthoud which I did not know and recently found out!)
Bought my five watch collection with usd25k, since 2016
Glashutte panomatic
Zenith el primero
Jlc reverso
Gmt master ceramic
Seadweller 16600
Oh wow that's a killer collection for the budget! Love all of these!! That would NEVER happen now with these crazy prices.... you did well and now you can sit back and watch the circus.
Yes-very well done Ben, practicality, sanity and aside from having unlimited income you won't feel like a fool after passing up these three for that one!
Thanks! I see WatchFinder also just did a video of 3 watches for the price of a Datejust!
Exactly! I did that exercise last week and was shock how hyped rolex has become! Well in the end watches or not essential and if somebody is willing to pay so much for something so not needed we have to congratulate those people😀 seems like everybody has very good financial condition
I guess there really is lots of cash floating around indeed, but even then I would pick stealth wealth over a hyped flashy turquoise dial.
Spending money is not a sign of financial health when the money is borrowed.
@@bbrebozo6417 well I would argue with that. What about house? What about car? Sometimes spending money that you do not have - especially in a stagflation environment can be very good. What do you think? Is it always spending money that you do not have bad? All the best!
@@mateuszmrowiec4265 Real estate will never let you down over the long term (well at least here in Hong Kong!) so it's worth borrowing for while investing now in a highly speculative item like that OP may not pay off in the future when the hype comes down (I guess you have to get in and out quickly) and you may get burnt if you've paid current market price for it on borrowed money.
@@TOKKANTE In my opinion it is all about the rate of return. Real Estate yes in the very long term you will not lose money but you should expect about ~5% (including taxes, maintenance ect). At the same time, you can flip a few watches and get an even higher rate of return. Hence so much hype and low-interest rates with raging inflation do not help.
Very very good content!
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it
Love the Chopard watch not interested in any Tudor but I have the 39mm Explorer, bought it a year before it became obsolete but prefer 39mm over 36mm anyway.
Agree ,I tried the 36mm and it looks quite small even on my wrist, I'd still go for the 39mm. The Chopard is such great value... When I did my video on the Baltic MR01, some people told me oh you can't find another micro-rotor under 10K.... Well, here's one! And Parmigiani Tonda is another one!
You’re absolutely right, better 3 timeless watches instead of one overhyped and overpriced turquoise OP because let’s face it, it doesn’t even have any connection with Tiffany. I also get itchy when someone shows me his/her new watch and first thing they say is “I bought this one because it’s a good investment” 😏
Nice spread for the "portfolio"
Rolex should just release NFTs this year, so people can just INVEST in Rolex digital designs, no need for the actual watch!
@@TOKKANTE hahaha good one 😂 especially now that crypto seems to be heading for rock bottom 🤷🏻♂️
@@TOKKANTE 🤔 there's an idea, once out it can't be taken back.
@@Maarten_official_account I just read today that Jean Claude Biver's NFT of his Hublot still hasn't sold, no offers at auction... and that was supposed to break all records.
Yes, the OP in turquoise or any other dial is not for me. Great watch for a young professional starting out and I am not a speculator. Great video! Keep them coming.
Problem solved then!
@@TOKKANTE Never one to start. These are all First World problems for those that decide they are one, Cheers!
There is a 4th reason to get the watch… if you get extremely reliable information that it will bd discontinued.( which it very well may). Then I can see the Turquoise op41 easily fetching 50k because of its relatively short production run.
Yes, but still, only if you could get it at around retail then and get some decent profit in because if you're getting it at current market prices, you're nowhere assured that it will keep going up tough. At some point, people will realize you could just get a Daytona for that price! Even discontinued, the OP will not keep going up forever, so where's the plateau?...
@@TOKKANTE if market value now is ~35 and it gets discontinued it’ll have way less of the turquoise op 41 out there than the Daytona. Even now the 41 turquoise op is being received less than the Daytona at AD’s because it’s one version of the 30 odd variations of that watch available. Presently at an average of 35 GMD prices the turquoise is going for 6x msrp while the panda Daytona is going for 3.5x msrp. I’d say demand for both are on par with the op slightly edging out the Daytona. Reason being the Daytona has been out for way longer and most people who are serious collectors or those willing to pay GM prices already have one but still don’t have an op. It is going to definitely reach to the 45-50k region if discontinued next month. We need to stop look at these things as watches. They are commodities/assets/alternative investments. The people paying these prices don’t care about which watch is better. Financial time wrote an article a couple months back depicting how the mainland Chinese with money are shying away from real estate and leaning towards watches. as a matter of fact a lot of people are doing that.
@@ryanbanks4265 Yes assuming the interest remains stable in the long term, but are we sure it will though? Look at the original Stella dials, on which those OPs are based. They're also limited and discontinued, and yes their value have gone up, but there's a limit and it's kind of a niche product. Those OPs are super hot right now, and we can look at them as investment vehicles, but I wonder if after a while interest will move on to something else and the bubble will deflate somewhat (or a lot). The "Tiffany" dial is only one color out of 30 yes but they're also maybe way more OPs than Daytonas because the OP is (supposedly) an entry-level model while the Daytona has a much more complicated movement in it which is manufactured in lesser quantities. In the long term, the Daytona still remains King while that particular OP may not retain that 50k status. So I'd just recommend to get in and out fast, get the profit in if possible. It seems more like a trend right now. And then I dunno, if Rolex re-released the Oysterquartz with a wood dial or Lapis Lazuli , then everyone would speculate on that one and forget about that OP... I'd bet on the classics!
@@TOKKANTE nothing Rolex is a trend. Rolex is Rolex. Love them or hate them they are the king of watches. Were actual kings back in the day the strongest, best looking or smartest? Absolutely not.. but they were king. And Rolex is just like that. I don’t think the price will ever go down significantly under normal circumstances….. unless there is some major worldwide catosptrophe. Where in that case none of this shit will have any value. The most major worldwide incident for over maybe the last 75 years came and is now on its way out. At the start a lot of social media experts were speculating how the prices of these luxury commodities would tank. They were 100% wrong. We are at a time where people spend billion buying cryptocurrency (something that has zero intrinsic value). It is literally nothing. Art is large and bulky.. hard to transport. Hard to store. Investment wine and scotch also bulky nard to store and move around with. gold is cool but boring. Diamonds are in abundance. Real estate is extremely expensive to get into and volatile. Crypto is extremely volatile. Cash is useless as an investment. Stock and bonds are cool if you know what you’re doing. For some reason certain models have taken its place in society as major investment pieces. Doesn’t matter if Rolex only makes 2000 Tiffany op 41’s year I’m certain there are 200,000 people worldwide that want one. It’s not going to get better unless there is a major disaster OR Rolex starts making 5-10 million watches a year. The prices of the hot models will fluctuate here and there but ultimately go up. Especially when discontinued Rolex is not a fad. Rolex is not panerai. P.s. social media has a major part to play in this. Instagram and youtube has made these luxury products common knowledge to the masses. And everyone now wants one. What did you expect to happen to its prices. These items were never intended to be for the masses.
@@TOKKANTE interesting to see where the price of this watch goes now….along with the red and yellow.. you gave your friend horrible advice. Yet another ‘’watch advisor/ blogger/ content creator’’ who knows jack $#!t about the watch market.
Chopard ❤️
Micro rotors... from Baltic to Chopard for just 10x the price!
@@TOKKANTE Well I'd argue more than ten times the value, but most probably won't agree and I understand that.
All good alternatives man. What a sheeps paying that crazy money over retail, it’s unbelievable.
There really is a lot of money floating around I guess....
Yes and lets not forget JLC, Habring, and other unique and highly skilled watchmaking. But no lets throw our money at a baby blue Rolex.
Yup, if we're not concerned about value retention then yes, so many other choices out there...
Current rolex prices are obscene. I almost got caught up in the hype a few weeks ago before coming to my senses. It's all built on f.o.m.o. and looking to flex on the next watch guy.
As watch guys, we kinda get desensitized to prices after a while but now this is just insane.
Those who are buying it are mostly flippers.
Yes probably but they are reselling them to other flippers and this vicious circle brings all other Rolex prices up to unattainable levels...
Also 25%
Surely that Tiffany isn't one for the gentlemen?
Not for the thinking gentlemen...
If having lots of money and not knowing where to spend, then buy rolex on grey market ...
I don't have this "problem" but I think I'd go Patek then, so much classier.
Hear hear, if you don’t like watches get out👍🏻
Yeah, there should be an admission test first!
If you only like the looks maybe just buy a homage or a fake ones~
Yeah I guess that's a cheaper option!
I looked at the thumbnail and thought I can buy a sheep instead of a Rolex. Mildly disappointed.
In all seriousness, I would go with Zenith for sports, just to mess with Rolex fans, then a JLC moon for dress and Omega for everyday.
PS : wait, you are the guy who lives in HK?
I wonder how many sheep 25k buys you... now I feel like I need to go google the price of a sheep. Good choices as well, JLC is increasing prices as well though. Yes, I'm the guy who lives in HK!
@@TOKKANTE oh well, regardless of how much a sheep should be, it's not going to be 25K (although not sustainable in Hong Kong) and most importantly, I wouldn't have to get on a non-existent waiting list in which ranking is only determined by how many lamb chops I've already purchased last year.
If JLC is getting too ridiculous, Glashutte Original is always there for you.
It’s not even Tiffany it’s turquoise
And there's been so many brands releasing some variation of it by now, it's just totally lost any special attraction to me.
💔 Promo`SM!!
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