Hey guys! I hope you enjoyed this deeper dive of a video instead of just brushing the surface of multiple topics. I actually really enjoyed making this and had fun doing so. Thanks for watching and what you do you all think of ChaoticMuch (as Im typing i see he just went to #3 lol)
it really depends nowadays on how acquainted you are with gameplay on controller and how it plays out. I for one can't say much other than that I'll be on the stand with controller player accusations. Another thing to point out is that if you don't use controller and are going just by the words of a pro, streamer and yada yada...just stop.
More of these please! Sometimes a topic is more interesting than others when youre doing general news and youve been in the community long enough now that your insight is interesting and helpful
Dude genburten gets accused of strike-packing and he’s legit I’m say this y’all look crazy and r the worse kind of humans if he’s not even cheating yet y’all jealous y’all need strike packs and he don’t lol 😂
@JMeyels hopefully you see this comment. Had this idea especially for big streamers. What if twitch or whatever service you’re streaming from, made it a rule to where if you’re streaming apex or any FPS game you had to have a camera on your controller/MnK to show you’re not using a strike pack/ Cronus or anything like that. If you’re getting sponsors, team signs, making an income off of this game or any big game at that then adding a camera to show your controller/MnK shouldn’t be a problem. You know maybe even a camera showing your setup from behind to eliminate being accused like “Nadia.” Idk it was just an idea or something that I’ve been thinking about.
As a masters player, and someone with pretty damn good recoil control, there is just something sus about his aim. It’s not just his R3… his havoc, flatline, R99, all those guns are just perfectly still when he is shooting someone. I spend atleast an hour or so a day in the firing range, and the guns just don’t look like that. I am 200% aware he plays way more than me, but Verhulst, genburten, NONE of the other best roller players have aim like that. Not long range. Anyone can beam up close on controller, but he is imhumanely perfect at long range. It’s just suspicious. I don’t accuse people of cheating EVER, but something is off with him.
you summed up my thoughts exactly (although i am not as good as you at the game). thank you. comparing him to the controller gods who actually compete and get vetted, they don't beam like that long range, not with that consistency.
It's the fact that he has no micro adjustments. He is a perfect 0 movement laser beam every time and that's inhuman. It is impossible to have 0 micro adjustments
@@Fire4ward still he can go tournaments, whitout his setup and have 0 recoil? Gets most kills + dmg games? Nah fam, he are just goated, played too much… reality hits hard.
@@Saitama-qp1nf He probably has Aceu play for him by streaming his gameplay onto his tournament monitor, then uses his controller like he’s the one actually playing 🤣🤣
Bruh look at gen for example he has zero movement and he don’t use one he’s literally number 2 pred ofc he’s gonna have good recoil control it’s not even hard
You cant do proper micro adjustments on 4-4 classic, you either have a steady beam or you miss as the high response curve/deadzone doesnt allow for it.
@@itschamp8614 yeah like genburten has already cleared his accusations by showing handcam, being just as good on MnK, still beaming in ALGs and showing that flicking drill in firing range which strike pack or kronus doesn't help with
Genburten has used a cronus to make a name for himself and get sick gsmeplays but without a cronus he is still one of the best. Genburten doesn't use his zen all the time. Chaotic does and Chaotic might also have wall hacks.
As someone who has played Apex for more than 1000+ hours, if you look ChoaticMuch using Flatline and see the recoil, many of the players will find that something is wrong. I am a decent solo player, currently in Diamond omw to master but even my friend on controller says if you have input 200+ms + Cronus you can literally solo a pred squad with bh let and the pros will look like bots on your screen. Try it by changing servers if y'all wanna check. Peace and Love all.
Also btw I watched ChaoticMuch on twitch on multiple occasions but I would like people to answer if they know someone who 'always' knocks one or two player while rising on horizon q. Just straight up beams and no misses and most hs.
I've played in Masters lobbies that Chaotic is in. It's pretty clear he uses a strike pack. After you play the game for 7000+ hrs you get a feel for what a really good player is and what a sus player is.
So here's the thing. I think Genburten has the best controller aim, right. Or even someone like Verhulst. The difference between them and what I see with Chaotic is that Chaotic's aim just looks inorganic. Like there can be so much going on and him moving around a lot but at the same time there is literally zero recoil in any direction. It would make a big difference only having to concentrate on a target to track and not have to also counter recoil while doing so. But If this guy has better recoil control than other controller pros that I have watched a lot, then good on him. He is just the only one who I have really felt like it is inorganic. I have played a lot on both inputs also, if that makes any difference to people
Played with cronus and strickpack and tested good cheats. Only with anti recoil cheat i got this beam. When he is using something its not a cronus or strickpack:)
Yeah, even though the R-301 had very steady recoil that of which is easy to control, that is really suspicious. Because even though the R-301 is easy to control, it does have a slight kick of recoil for the first 4 or so shots, with Chaoticmuch, there almost is 0 kick back on the R-301. My judgment here is that he is definitely using a strike pack, what’s worse is that we all pretty much let him into the top preds.
Agreed, even when I 1 clip someone the reticle still moves around - with chaotic its literally dead center on the body and doesn't move one bit, def susss
Lmao, just think abaut it. If you guys have played same game like 9k hours or more you maybe can have almost 0 recoil :0 have you seen his wingman clips? Omg no recoil and still hitting insane clips omg
Which basically means you are clueless "it does have a slight kick of recoil for the first 4 or so shots," that is the easiest to control, the hard part comes at the end. If you struggle to control that you might as well give up apex.
@@andreasmischtel1016 I was using the burst of recoil as an example, and yes the burst and the entire recoil pattern in general is easy to control, although with him he had 0 kick back on the recoil burst, that’s what makes me suspect he is using a strike pack, and only uses the R-301 averagely since it would be the easiest one to make an excuse that he just has very good recoil control.
People might think it's some kind of lag in the stream when his reticle perfectly snaps to the teleporting Revenant but when you play it back in slow-mo the timer beneath the mini map is consistently counting down so it was definitely not lag you see... It definitely doesn't look good for him but i don't know for sure. His recoil control is so good and i know it's possible but the snap was really weird. Edit: oh and that is definitely not aim assist... It doesn't work like that.
Yea saw a clip earlier where he snapped onto someone outside of his field of view while he was ads with the 2x4. It was from the most recent tourney. I thought it looked weird and unnatural but didn’t think much of it until I found this video. Now I’m convinced he’s using something,
that snap was a dropped frame or two, you can tell by watching his ping. ping normally fluctuates like 1-3 at a time and his fluctuated by about 10 right there, which seems like way to big of a coincidence for it not to be a frame drop
@@Michael-mn4ef it dropped to 130 a second or two before that moment and i don't think it would have looked like that and that high of frames anyways. Probably some sort of lag I guess idk, weird if not many other pros realize he is cheating since it's like a spidey sense of theirs (they think anyone with decent aim is cheating lol)
Every second master bot is ussing cronus on ps5........... why they cant aim like this mhhh. I had cronus too sold it bc dog shit. This results when he is using something its anti recoil cheat.
If there any accusation against you what do you do you do anything to debunked the accusation against you and he hasn't I don't know he's enjoying the attention he's getting
@@siontimmy1 controller cam showing his set up maybe going to firing range with the hand cam and take his hand off of the right stick and shoot to show there’s recoil until he himself controls it. There’s things he can do he just doesn’t
or you don't show any proof and leave it to speculation and allow people to go crazy talking about it leading to more attention your way ultimately growing your audience and following 🤷 not saying he isn't cheating bcs idk and those videos do seem super sus, but to "assume" it IS cheating because someone doesn't show proof when there are also other potential factors or reasons why they aren't proving it is just naive.
thing is with a strikepack, you have to add the mods on them, and there's a way to disable them. On the alien looking face, white eyes mean its in tournament mode (no active mods). If its another color, there is a mod active, if not multiple. Using a strikepack isnt cheating, per se. Adding mods and using them is.
His hipfire makes me believe strikepack. R3, or really any weapon ADS is easy to control recoil even on roller, but his hipfire with multiple weapons is sus, especially when he's running/sliding and hits perfect hipfire. As Taxi said, "that guy is Cheato"
ooh yikes mentioning nadia saying that she isnt cheating is pretty bad take because there is plenty of proof of unlock tools, spawing plates, vpning to easier server and just cheat in general
I’ve seen all of TSM shoot laser beams. Genburten also!!! But we know they don’t cheat cause we see them play with the same skill at public LAN events. At the same time I can have some sticky controller suddenly veer my aim somewhere else. Honestly, say what you want but get the guy to a LAN event and then judge him.
Apex needs another way to speak to the players other than through content creators or "Pros". How will they ever know how people feel if they only try to understand through what others say "on our behalf"?
tbh i didn't know who this guy is before this video (don't pay attention to big names nor streaming stuff) but i don't think its strike pack. first clip, he had good angles and it looked like the newcastle didn't even know exactly the guy was. He simply had good angles on him with an easy-to-use gun. the 2nd clip i wouldn't sign off the hipfire laser cuz it happens relatively easily when the enemy has a predictable projectory/movement or whatever. Since S0, i've gotten knocks like that and spectated cracked people (that killed me) like that. To me, this is just a "I got knocked therefore he's cheating" typa situation
You didn’t include the clip of Daltoosh making fun of the “hardstuck gold players who play 3 times a week” commenting on Chaotics tiktoks he was definitely trolling about the strike pack 😂😂
Nothing sus about it. He’s got a 301 with a purple mag & stab lol and they were full hp either. They were all kind of weak and none of them shot back. Each spray he’s hitting them for 70 to 100. As a multiple season master 50k total kills 4.6kd, 33% win rate this looks like a typical fight where the other team is scared, weak and has worse positioning. They should’ve left toosh & no reason for their third to run up to the new castle while he wasn’t full hp just to get knocked. Just a terrible by play all of them. Chaotic is a top pro controller player for a reason. He’s done this in ALGS. As a top 1% player, nothing surprising here.
People have accused Gen of the same thing and even after algs he is still being accused of using a strike pack goes to show how funny the apex community is 😂
@@JMeyels He performed pretty poorly compared to when hes home and streaming. Overall biggest thing is people using harware hax what are undetectable and not visible on screen either they also cost 1200+ dollar per month
Not saying he is hacking but that doesnt prove much ,maybe hes really good but at home he uses strike pack to get those really crazy games that give you the most views
"Skipped a frame or two and snapped" as soon as the Revenent materialized from being killed in totem form. Ya right... There were no frame skips. You can see the bullets counting down to 18, and then he shoots again counting down normally. Also, the hit counters 22, 22, 11 are not skipping frames and showing as they would with no frame skips. Give it a rest. EDIT - also keep in mind he would have to lose like 60 frames (1 second) on a Twitch stream to skip if that was legit.
Just to clear it up, my tweet was satire, I know chaotic is legit! He performed at the stockholm LAN event and put up insane numbers which reflects his online gameplay. He's a good guy!
So people moved from Genburten cheating to Chaotic cheating. People will always call a good player sus just because they are better than them. They did it with Gen and now doing it with chaotic.
If a StrikePack/Cronus max can change the aim assist values who could ACTUALLY tell the difference between 0.4 (PC)& 0.5 (the subtle cheat) or 0.6 (console). I play on a 2 response curve and my 301 clips have more recoil than that.
There are two legitimately suspicious moments here: 1. 4:57 The reason why this is sus is because the Hip Fire Accuracy of the R-301 is actually pretty bad, and pulling 111 dmg from that distance is just hard to believe. The only explanation or argument that can be made against this would be a '''bug in hip fire accuracy when sliding'''. I'll have to test this out, in the firing range and game to find out whether sliding affects Hip Fire of the R-301. Moreover, I've spectated my random cheater teammates who did the same thing. That is having insane hip fire accuracy with the R-301. 2. 7:30 The reason why I find this particular one suspicious is because it looks like he was tracking that guy even after he went behind cover. And Chaotic pretty much continues to shoot and adjusting his aim in a way that the moment the enemy came out, he hits him instantly. I slowed down the clip to 25% and yeah, it looked like he knew exactly where the enemy was and exactly where he was gonna come out. I'm not gonna say Chaotic is Cheating, but it definitely appears that way. Because these clips man, you can only defend them by attributing them to luck.
Yeah. The sliding hip fire was the standout for me here. Many of the other clips didn't really even look sus tbh. But that part literally made me skip back and watch several times. It just doesn't look right to me.
people fail to realize he has played at lan events in the past where they check all of your equipment prior to game start. And I am pretty sure he has dropped a 4k at a lan event as well. I am convinced all these accusations have arisen from ignorance.
Bro i deadass use cheats on pc, and ill even admit, this shit looks mad fuckin sus. I have cheated since the game came out, not one singular person has this insanely good of RCS without a strikepack. You can SEE his guns literally do not move a single centimeter when he shoots. ALL guns will move, unless u use an RCS cheat / strikepack, etc. or ur just inhumanely insane at the game which, especially at far range, is just not possible to be lmao. LAN performance or not, this dude is sus without a controller cam
do you know what as R-301 hip fire looks like? even with re-coil smoothing. so your telling me he is tracking and jitter aiming on a controller ....with his thumb....
I mean its a purp stable and he's a high level player soooo I think people are butt hurt plus just a FYI if you have a pack a stable will make way more recoil problems
Of all the pros on roller that I've watched, Chaotic stands out because his recoil is perfect to the t. I have no doubt that he's using something. I've been playing FPS games for over 20 years and have never seen somebody control recoil that well and he does it all the time, no matter the situation, position...etc. Honestly, you can watch his clips and there's literally no recoil. None whatsoever.
+25 years here and that is for sure scripted behavior. Apex recoil patterns are constant for best of my knowledge, there are websites where you can look up the patterns and it's trivial to script that to undetectable strike pack. First shots always reveal it.
@@Saitama-qp1nf I searched his ALGS clips and found one video where he gets 10 kills 2K damage. In that vid, his recoil control does not look as good as the other stuff I've seen. 10 kills and 2K damage is not crazy, considering they won that round and he is using Valk. If you look at other rounds on ALGS, 2K is pretty avg. for teams that make it to top 2. There are others who do over 3K damage.
As far as toosh playing with him... notice before people get caught they were playing with a pro or someone signed. They need to play with them to be able to confirm I think. I could be wrong but this happened before I'm pretty confident I just can't remember the name
I would probably be sus about him, but Chaotic has proved in ALGS LAN that he can still do it in a tournament setting. He obviously can’t use his strikepack in LAN, so the fact that he still played well, makes me remove my doubts
It's harder to tell when good players are cheating but this doesn't look like strike pack to me for sure. The r99 snap and the sliding r301 hipfire looking kinda sus but I have done the exact same plenty of times on standard ps4 and controller
@@invasivepenguin8560 i mean #2 pred isnt much, people dont grind as they did before or compete like the earlier seasons because there is no incentive plus the reality of how rp works now that is why you have pred at almost 40k rp and the insane rp benchmark that was on olympus.
This glitch happens in game also but I have a feeling that the hackers are adding cheats server side then implementing on players accounts, it's all about money.
I use a Cronus Zen and that looks like the anti recoil mod pack to me. That's not the strike pack, that's the cronus Zen the strike pack is cheaper and only removes vertical recoil. The gun would still move horizontally, the cronus zen is like 100 dollars and there's scripts for specific guns like the R301 where it removes recoil completely.
it's real cool that you're able to spot another cheaters specific way of cheating BCS you are a cheater.... -_- pls.... for the love of anything you care about....... stop..... if you can't play without it then maybe the game isn't for you... or play without it and do what any LEGITIMATE player does/has done and grind your way to some type of skill.
@@ohno6325 This is the problem, a ton of these kids today don't even consider it cheating or simply don't care about the competitive integrity of the game. This is a big part of why controller support in FPS games bothers me. Someone using hacks with mnk can be detected but with these things it's free rein.
@@alexlopez9157 some people don’t and those are the people who don’t play Apex every day and don’t play competitively !. You may not care but for 1 person there is 5 others that feel differently. If you don’t care cool that’s all you !
As someone who has used a strike pack before I think it doesn’t matter I learned that everything a strike pack gives can be done in the ALC setting and better strike pack made recoil more controllable but ALC made it nonexistent controller
Just took a picture to share with my gaming homies today at Walmart showing a new shipment of strikepacks for sale for 28.99. These things are EVERYWHERE, they sell out fast every time they get restocked, and at this point I just refer to them as streamer/pro starter kits. Over the counter cheats for 30 bucks or less at most every major retailer.
One thing to take note of is how he utilizes strafing to control his recoil. It is a legit method that also works on MnK, but due to rotational aim assist it's a bit more strong on the sticks. Another thing is that Chaotic usually plays with a 2-4x optic. Up to 4x rotational aim assist and reticle slowing is in effect on controller. One thing I have no clue on how he does it is beaming off of the horizon lift... No clue how he controls his aim that well on it bc when I try it I just hit the ground for 2K hp lmao
Dude, there has to be so many strike packs and cronuses being used in this game. I see it all the time. The reason why I think that’s the case is because there’s no anti-cheat to detect it And unless somebody comes up and invents a way to detect those, I don’t think there’s anything that can be done. We just have to put up with the cheating 🙄
his aim was twitching in the taxi 2g clip as well... dudes a cheetah. could be sticky aim assist mod with cronus, could be some other shit, respawn has no idea who is cheating and there are multiple preds/pro's being paid to cheat and respawn doesn't even know it, either they don't know it or or they do know it and players are being white listed like in call of duty and cant be banned because they bring in a certain amount of views and earn the game a profit
Toosh was 100% joking lol, him and chaotic had been friends long before that clip, that’s why he said it had to be chaotic before they even knew who it was. Taxi was actually tilted but realized it was just a controller player and dealt with it lol.
@@Fire4ward oh definitely, that’s the joke though. Toosh is poking fun at all the casual players who accuse any good controller player of cheating. There’s multiple clips of Toosh making jokes just like that in a clearly sarcastic tone where he even addresses that it’s only below average players who think that way lol.
clip at 7.15 you can if you slow it down actually see the bloodhound just bellow his crosshair dot, it just looks like artefacts in this triple compressed video. but replay it a couple of times in 0.25 and you will spot it eventually. it's only a few frames before the cliff LOS him, but clearly not cheating actually just saw him and tracked him guessing his path, why he is waiting with his aim on the left side of the tree, he expects him to keep running, not walling and seeing him hiding behind the tree guessing he will peak left side. still fucking beams though.
I think seeing Chaotic Munch without an r301 will be a good way to determine if they’re strike packing. Kinda want to see him use chaotic recoil guns like the Havoc or L-Star.
its exactly the same as the r301, literally a laser, its not normal, not even jitteraiming on mnk gets you to beam like that on a havoc with no attachments
@@Gerelio Still gonna wait to see him use anything else. Only r301 is a little weird, but understandable. I only use the Bocek a long time ago and now it’s gone and I have nothing.
The 2nd clip seems legit. The 3rd clip when sliding down and tracking his target that seems hella sus. It just felt like he was auto locked onto the enemy and it followed through perfectly. Thet first clip seemed hella sus too.
I got beamed by an octane while both of us was mid air. My teammate noticed it said something in chat. It was Insane, I don’t play much anymore . So I started looking up these controller strike pack steam config, cronus etc. basically all these controller exploits. Was shocked at how streamers teach people how to do in every fps game. I’m not going to mention the channel name. But holy shit. The amount of people who use these exploits is crazy.
Yea id say he's probably uses a strike pack but I remember a poll on Reddit and it appeared that most of the community said it wasn't cheating even though it 100% is
I really want to believe that he isnt using a strike pack because I look up to him as a player, but recoil patterns on guns just dont look like that. there is something off about it id say
In the taxi clip from what I can tell he is definitely cheating. 1 there is no way u can track someone through a tree whilst using a horizon lift so well that u dont miss a bullet, 2 when taxi revives after blocking the arc star there is a very thin area for chaotic to shoot the actual character instead of the knock down sheild whilst also having the storm affect around u the chances of just beaming that tiny visible area of Newcastle and not miss more than 3 bullets are very slim. Also I believe before taxi's team dies I think its daltoosh who says it has to be chaotic so either he knows that chaotic is cheating but didnt want to expose him, leading to him making that video with chaotic.
He could be cheating BUT there's also genburten who hits shots like these on controller and he's been proven to not be a cheater. So it is possible to just be that good on controller.
@@ZorrowTasogare92 I believe gen gets a significant amount of help from aim assist, but most of his aim is just him being cracked. he would probably be as good or maybe better with r3 if he used r301 all day every day like chaotic.
that's something that's for sure. its not just natural idc what he says it might not be a strike pack or anything it could even just be a script but yeah its not natural and the reason its noticed is because it basically locks on out of no where the last clip is a perfect example first hes locked onto the tree then it goes to the right and immediately locks onto someone
bro the 301 doesn't have recoil. I play console. Ive been playing fps for about 12 years even competitive top page team on game battles on COD ghosts. the hipfire is sketch. but beaming with a 301 side stepping? easy shit.
It's a high probability that Choatic is cheating. That flatline clip is suspicious because it isn't possible to have 0 recoil with the flatline that far away and the r301 recoil is easy so that's understandable, but it's not supposed to have 0 recoil either so that's a bit suspicious. It's funny though how people defend pro players when they're cheating and then act flabbergasted when they're caught when everyone called it out.
its common on tiktok for people to say "strikepack" even on low view and not as popular tiktokers. but even then im surprised with his consistency of no recoil, sometimes i get beams like that playing on console but very rarely. maybe its just a lot of time playing and fine tuning recoil
I would say Gen and Verhulst are better controller players who also have god tier aim. But I haven't been sus of them for a second. There's just something about chaotic's recoil that feels really off. At least when you see a clip from Gen or Verhulst it looks like they have recoil that they're controlling by muscle memory or aim smoothing. But chaotic has no visible recoil, it looks so unnatural.
Most of his clips are 2x r3 which already has no recoil but if u watch his streams he constantly uses the r3 so ofc he'd learn the recoil quickly 🤷🏻♂️
i believe if he wanted to prove his worth, he needs to play under a whole new system while being monitored. he would be handed a controller (brand new unchanged) and a new pc or console with apex downloaded in. basically making sure every variable is checked and shown. this is honestly the only way to prove someone's honesty to cheating vs not.
@@resolute7177 did you forget about the csgo tournament? Again, like I stated, “monitored”. Just because you entered a tournament dosnt mean you are in the clear. There have been plenty of cheaters literally downloading cheats to those pcs because they weren’t monitored.
@@resolute7177 it is the same as the guy from d2 who played pc with his left hand on controller and the right with mouse. You have to make sure everything is checked and continued to be checked.
@@resolute7177 dude the lan he subbed in his team did not perform at all, they failed to qual for finals etc, they were in losers bracket and didnt qual.
@@sanjaysanj5603 you're mistaken he was probably the best performer on the team what are you talking about just because they didn't qual doesn't change the fact he was beaming 💀💀
honestly i concider strikepacks cheating but ive also noticed noone complaining about scripts and they still complain about aim assist but thats besides the point if strikepacks are considered cheating (which i think they are) scripts should also
@@maasondelgado8001 Of course its true, so many others did it and still have to pull out the clip 20 times a day to some random diamond 4 shitter who cant understand the difference between 500 hours and 5k hours into the game. He played at LAN, end of story.
Yea I don’t think he’s cheating every clip that was brought on here was an r301 which most likely has a barrel stabilizer and people are acting like a controller with 40 percent aim assist at mid range with an r301 is cheating but then we look at genburten a man who can do longer range with just a smg and in the end they are pros who consistently play controller and understand how to properly use recoil smoothing and the limits to aim assist
I think there are more people that are big streamers using things behind closed door then people would actually think. Unfortunately when you have constant advancements in technology it’s hard to stop. Definitely when you have pc in these lobbies. You don’t see this much anymore in the console community. Everyone you see MOST of the time is pc guys. It’s done got so bad it’s hard to tell anymore who is and who isn’t. Obviously people have different skill levels but sometimes it’s hard to believe some of these shots where it does seem there is absolutely no recoil and no shot ever seeming to miss.
I’ve said he’s been cheating since the first time I’ve seen him on a horizon q shooting the 301. It’s not obvious but that’s why he’s able to walk that fine line.
Just off the r99 clip I won't say he is for certain but primarily you need to have your reticle on the enemy to hit them. Given there's hitbox issues but that wasnt it. Just slow it down you literally see the horizon almost looks like she's jumped right over the bullets and is already landing. But he still hits her perfectly. And the tracking is slightly but off aswell.
Just fishy that all controller pros have no problem showing the cam but I've never seen a controller cam. Not saying it's true but he should be streaming with a cam if he wants to avoid these accusations. And if he starts doing so after these accusations, then viewers should compare his vids from before controller cam to after to see if his gameplay changes. Really the only way to find out
Its a steaming issue. Chaotic's stream actually cut frames which happens to a lot of streamers. Watch it slow mo and look at the background you'll notice it. I do agree chaotic is sus but I've watched enough of his streams that I honestly don't believe he's cheating and i don't think the pros that have and do play with him would if they knew he was cheating. I will say the hipfire is sus except i think theirs a bug in Apex because i've experienced hipfire like that where it hits bullets like im ADS'd and perfectly tracking. I watched nickmercs do it on a horizon going up q, he had the same reaction as chaotic, surprised af. I'm sure other roller players can chime in having that experience. I personally would like someone to compare verhulst at lan to his online play, guy just seemed like a different player.
We saw his point of view, those weren’t all headshots. All headshots would’ve been 120 or something when it was 99 on that first dude complaining. They don’t show the death recap really either, too little information to make any conclusion.
The taxi and daltoosh clip is ducking dumb to call him a cheater. These dudes are literally in ring taking damn and we’re not fully healed when chaotic started shooting them lol
I typically like your content but this is a stretch. Anyone who knows anything knows that chaotic and daltoosh are homies from the PlayStation days. Y’all reaching. No one thinks he’s actually cheating. The dude is just good. He also played at lan recently. No one saw a strike pack but whatever lol I guess when you run out of content you gotta make stuff up.
I had a friend that used strike pad. After playing with him for months I only found out because he told me. I would have never noticed and thought he was controller always. Controller is the excuse and the reason we can’t for sure say it is a zen, strike pack etc. Sussss
I don't think he's cheating for the simple fact that he regularly plays tournaments against the best teams, such tsm, cloud 9, rng and so on. He's also the number one pred, so he plays this game A LOT, probably spends his whole day playing, constantly in ranked. Also he's using his main account, which wouldn't make any sense, he's had this account for many and many seasons, if he was cheating that account would have been gone by now considering the amount of accusations and reports he gets everyday
Since I’ve first discovered chaotics clips I’ve said he’s either strike pack or Cronus zen. It’s impossible to control recoil like that on a controller. Don’t know how he’s been getting away with it this long
That’s just a skill issue, all good controller players have hit beams like that. My last upload on here is 3+ minutes of beams just like Chaotics. Just because someone has better aim than you doesn’t mean they’re cheating, especially if they’re a legitimate professional lol.
Me and my friends beam like this too. This just looks like another really good player to me. One clipping kids on a horizon tac isn't all that hard with a 301.
Like this type of video alot, keep em coming! On another note, I don't think chaotic uses a strike pack but I do believe a large majority of the gaming community uses strike packs/no recoil/soft aim bot and get away with it so easy cuz it's undetectable. But they should really pull the stats and see what the percentage hitting shots over a long period of time is compared to others. Like if someone has a 50kd with 50k kills, you have to at least suspect something and monitor it
Chaotic went to ALGS, where they obviously checked his gear, including his controller. If he was cheating he would be busted already. Same goes for all the other pros
@@avar1ce319 and he didn't do much on Lan, just look at his Liquipedia, he got 22nd on a Lan event and on online tournaments he is always on top 5, hmmm not sus at all right? Look at Verhulst and Genburten for example or any other team that have a controller fragger, their stats are always kinda constant
Idk honestly, his shots were mainly r-301 i saw and honestly the 301 isn't hard to use. Also we can only assume on what he shows us in his own clips and ofc it'll be his best. The only way to get proof is a roller cam and him showing the roller.
Hey guys! I hope you enjoyed this deeper dive of a video instead of just brushing the surface of multiple topics. I actually really enjoyed making this and had fun doing so. Thanks for watching and what you do you all think of ChaoticMuch (as Im typing i see he just went to #3 lol)
it really depends nowadays on how acquainted you are with gameplay on controller and how it plays out. I for one can't say much other than that I'll be on the stand with controller player accusations.
Another thing to point out is that if you don't use controller and are going just by the words of a pro, streamer and yada yada...just stop.
More of these please! Sometimes a topic is more interesting than others when youre doing general news and youve been in the community long enough now that your insight is interesting and helpful
Dude genburten gets accused of strike-packing and he’s legit I’m say this y’all look crazy and r the worse kind of humans if he’s not even cheating yet y’all jealous y’all need strike packs and he don’t lol 😂
hey how do i get my prize for winning
@JMeyels hopefully you see this comment. Had this idea especially for big streamers. What if twitch or whatever service you’re streaming from, made it a rule to where if you’re streaming apex or any FPS game you had to have a camera on your controller/MnK to show you’re not using a strike pack/ Cronus or anything like that. If you’re getting sponsors, team signs, making an income off of this game or any big game at that then adding a camera to show your controller/MnK shouldn’t be a problem. You know maybe even a camera showing your setup from behind to eliminate being accused like “Nadia.” Idk it was just an idea or something that I’ve been thinking about.
As a masters player, and someone with pretty damn good recoil control, there is just something sus about his aim. It’s not just his R3… his havoc, flatline, R99, all those guns are just perfectly still when he is shooting someone. I spend atleast an hour or so a day in the firing range, and the guns just don’t look like that. I am 200% aware he plays way more than me, but Verhulst, genburten, NONE of the other best roller players have aim like that. Not long range. Anyone can beam up close on controller, but he is imhumanely perfect at long range. It’s just suspicious. I don’t accuse people of cheating EVER, but something is off with him.
Yeah there is something suss but if you see him was aiming he does recoil smoothing
Strikepacks and Cronus zen don't work well at long range. i'd argue that aim assist itself is stronger than a strikepack.
@@MichaelSmith-tq1pg thats just not true
@@MichaelSmith-tq1pg 🤣🤣🤣🤣
you summed up my thoughts exactly (although i am not as good as you at the game). thank you.
comparing him to the controller gods who actually compete and get vetted, they don't beam like that long range, not with that consistency.
It's the fact that he has no micro adjustments. He is a perfect 0 movement laser beam every time and that's inhuman. It is impossible to have 0 micro adjustments
Yes it’s obvious that he’s cheating 🤣
@@Fire4ward still he can go tournaments, whitout his setup and have 0 recoil? Gets most kills + dmg games? Nah fam, he are just goated, played too much… reality hits hard.
@@Saitama-qp1nf He probably has Aceu play for him by streaming his gameplay onto his tournament monitor, then uses his controller like he’s the one actually playing 🤣🤣
Bruh look at gen for example he has zero movement and he don’t use one he’s literally number 2 pred ofc he’s gonna have good recoil control it’s not even hard
You cant do proper micro adjustments on 4-4 classic, you either have a steady beam or you miss as the high response curve/deadzone doesnt allow for it.
i cant remember when a good player didnt get accused of cheating especially when a controller is involved
Yeah but this is a moment where it truly is sus and there’s a lot to show for it
@@itschamp8614 yeah like genburten has already cleared his accusations by showing handcam, being just as good on MnK, still beaming in ALGs and showing that flicking drill in firing range which strike pack or kronus doesn't help with
@@itschamp8614 gen has had a shit ton of hackusations and he hasn't gotten banned or lost really anything so yeah...
Genburten has used a cronus to make a name for himself and get sick gsmeplays but without a cronus he is still one of the best. Genburten doesn't use his zen all the time. Chaotic does and Chaotic might also have wall hacks.
There's so many cheaters though that everyone is suspect.
As someone who has played Apex for more than 1000+ hours, if you look ChoaticMuch using Flatline and see the recoil, many of the players will find that something is wrong. I am a decent solo player, currently in Diamond omw to master but even my friend on controller says if you have input 200+ms + Cronus you can literally solo a pred squad with bh let and the pros will look like bots on your screen. Try it by changing servers if y'all wanna check. Peace and Love all.
Also btw I watched ChaoticMuch on twitch on multiple occasions but I would like people to answer if they know someone who 'always' knocks one or two player while rising on horizon q. Just straight up beams and no misses and most hs.
What are you getting at?
@@theo2975 horizon q + aim assist = broken. from a resident controller player
1000 hours isnt shit lmao
@@invasivepenguin8560 he’s tryna say like he some sort of professional 😂
I just find it weird when he gets out of a horizon lift and still hits his shot like goddamn that’s some real skills ma man
I've played in Masters lobbies that Chaotic is in. It's pretty clear he uses a strike pack. After you play the game for 7000+ hrs you get a feel for what a really good player is and what a sus player is.
So here's the thing. I think Genburten has the best controller aim, right. Or even someone like Verhulst. The difference between them and what I see with Chaotic is that Chaotic's aim just looks inorganic. Like there can be so much going on and him moving around a lot but at the same time there is literally zero recoil in any direction. It would make a big difference only having to concentrate on a target to track and not have to also counter recoil while doing so. But If this guy has better recoil control than other controller pros that I have watched a lot, then good on him. He is just the only one who I have really felt like it is inorganic. I have played a lot on both inputs also, if that makes any difference to people
What you described is the difference of playing linear / 0 response curve and playing classic. They play and look entireley different.
@@andreasmischtel1016 he plays 4-4 classic tho?
Played with cronus and strickpack and tested good cheats. Only with anti recoil cheat i got this beam. When he is using something its not a cronus or strickpack:)
Yeah, even though the R-301 had very steady recoil that of which is easy to control, that is really suspicious. Because even though the R-301 is easy to control, it does have a slight kick of recoil for the first 4 or so shots, with Chaoticmuch, there almost is 0 kick back on the R-301. My judgment here is that he is definitely using a strike pack, what’s worse is that we all pretty much let him into the top preds.
Agreed, even when I 1 clip someone the reticle still moves around - with chaotic its literally dead center on the body and doesn't move one bit, def susss
Lmao, just think abaut it. If you guys have played same game like 9k hours or more you maybe can have almost 0 recoil :0 have you seen his wingman clips? Omg no recoil and still hitting insane clips omg
@@Saitama-qp1nf don’t know if your being sarcastic, or your actually saying this with a genuine expression.
Which basically means you are clueless "it does have a slight kick of recoil for the first 4 or so shots," that is the easiest to control, the hard part comes at the end. If you struggle to control that you might as well give up apex.
@@andreasmischtel1016 I was using the burst of recoil as an example, and yes the burst and the entire recoil pattern in general is easy to control, although with him he had 0 kick back on the recoil burst, that’s what makes me suspect he is using a strike pack, and only uses the R-301 averagely since it would be the easiest one to make an excuse that he just has very good recoil control.
People might think it's some kind of lag in the stream when his reticle perfectly snaps to the teleporting Revenant but when you play it back in slow-mo the timer beneath the mini map is consistently counting down so it was definitely not lag you see... It definitely doesn't look good for him but i don't know for sure. His recoil control is so good and i know it's possible but the snap was really weird.
Edit: oh and that is definitely not aim assist... It doesn't work like that.
Yea saw a clip earlier where he snapped onto someone outside of his field of view while he was ads with the 2x4. It was from the most recent tourney. I thought it looked weird and unnatural but didn’t think much of it until I found this video. Now I’m convinced he’s using something,
that snap was a dropped frame or two, you can tell by watching his ping. ping normally fluctuates like 1-3 at a time and his fluctuated by about 10 right there, which seems like way to big of a coincidence for it not to be a frame drop
@@Michael-mn4ef it dropped to 130 a second or two before that moment and i don't think it would have looked like that and that high of frames anyways. Probably some sort of lag I guess idk, weird if not many other pros realize he is cheating since it's like a spidey sense of theirs (they think anyone with decent aim is cheating lol)
as someone who has seen Chronos in action. Hes definitely using it
Every second master bot is ussing cronus on ps5........... why they cant aim like this mhhh. I had cronus too sold it bc dog shit. This results when he is using something its anti recoil cheat.
he has a lot of options to prove he's legit. If he avoids proving it, we can just assume he's cheating. pretty simple.
Exactly
If there any accusation against you what do you do you do anything to debunked the accusation against you and he hasn't I don't know he's enjoying the attention he's getting
@@siontimmy1 controller cam showing his set up maybe going to firing range with the hand cam and take his hand off of the right stick and shoot to show there’s recoil until he himself controls it. There’s things he can do he just doesn’t
being called a hacker when you’re legit is seriously the best compliment lol. prove everyone wrong and the jokes on them.
or you don't show any proof and leave it to speculation and allow people to go crazy talking about it leading to more attention your way ultimately growing your audience and following 🤷 not saying he isn't cheating bcs idk and those videos do seem super sus, but to "assume" it IS cheating because someone doesn't show proof when there are also other potential factors or reasons why they aren't proving it is just naive.
thing is with a strikepack, you have to add the mods on them, and there's a way to disable them. On the alien looking face, white eyes mean its in tournament mode (no active mods). If its another color, there is a mod active, if not multiple. Using a strikepack isnt cheating, per se. Adding mods and using them is.
His hipfire makes me believe strikepack. R3, or really any weapon ADS is easy to control recoil even on roller, but his hipfire with multiple weapons is sus, especially when he's running/sliding and hits perfect hipfire. As Taxi said, "that guy is Cheato"
My hipfire isn't even that accurate on players not moving, from half the distance. Its sus for sure.
ooh yikes mentioning nadia saying that she isnt cheating is pretty bad take because there is plenty of proof of unlock tools, spawing plates, vpning to easier server and just cheat in general
He's not cheater at all, because strike packs are not banned.
But they should be.
I’ve seen all of TSM shoot laser beams. Genburten also!!! But we know they don’t cheat cause we see them play with the same skill at public LAN events. At the same time I can have some sticky controller suddenly veer my aim somewhere else. Honestly, say what you want but get the guy to a LAN event and then judge him.
10000000% he is using a strike pack. perfect aim every horizon Q & no random recoil ever @ the end of his 301 clip like it should have
I don’t think so they said genburtin was a cheater. He proved them wrong on lan gen is the best on controller
@@mikepatrona472 gen is not a cheater but this dude is
If you ever used a strike pack you would know that it's easier to play without it.
@@ddwalker3744 they both shooting like AI 1 is just a champ
Apex needs another way to speak to the players other than through content creators or "Pros". How will they ever know how people feel if they only try to understand through what others say "on our behalf"?
tbh i didn't know who this guy is before this video (don't pay attention to big names nor streaming stuff) but i don't think its strike pack. first clip, he had good angles and it looked like the newcastle didn't even know exactly the guy was. He simply had good angles on him with an easy-to-use gun. the 2nd clip i wouldn't sign off the hipfire laser cuz it happens relatively easily when the enemy has a predictable projectory/movement or whatever. Since S0, i've gotten knocks like that and spectated cracked people (that killed me) like that. To me, this is just a "I got knocked therefore he's cheating" typa situation
the reality is that 90% of controller player use strike pack...
You didn’t include the clip of Daltoosh making fun of the “hardstuck gold players who play 3 times a week” commenting on Chaotics tiktoks he was definitely trolling about the strike pack 😂😂
Nothing sus about it. He’s got a 301 with a purple mag & stab lol and they were full hp either. They were all kind of weak and none of them shot back. Each spray he’s hitting them for 70 to 100. As a multiple season master 50k total kills 4.6kd, 33% win rate this looks like a typical fight where the other team is scared, weak and has worse positioning. They should’ve left toosh & no reason for their third to run up to the new castle while he wasn’t full hp just to get knocked. Just a terrible by play all of them. Chaotic is a top pro controller player for a reason. He’s done this in ALGS. As a top 1% player, nothing surprising here.
People have accused Gen of the same thing and even after algs he is still being accused of using a strike pack goes to show how funny the apex community is 😂
Yea gen legit performed at lan and people still thought he was sus lol
@@JMeyels chaotic also plays lan
@@lucadepiro4110 but he horribly flopped when he subbed for guild.
@@JMeyels He performed pretty poorly compared to when hes home and streaming. Overall biggest thing is people using harware hax what are undetectable and not visible on screen either they also cost 1200+ dollar per month
Not saying he is hacking but that doesnt prove much ,maybe hes really good but at home he uses strike pack to get those really crazy games that give you the most views
Great video J
"Skipped a frame or two and snapped" as soon as the Revenent materialized from being killed in totem form. Ya right... There were no frame skips. You can see the bullets counting down to 18, and then he shoots again counting down normally. Also, the hit counters 22, 22, 11 are not skipping frames and showing as they would with no frame skips. Give it a rest.
EDIT - also keep in mind he would have to lose like 60 frames (1 second) on a Twitch stream to skip if that was legit.
The snaps on rev and the next enemy player where very suspicious.
Just to clear it up, my tweet was satire, I know chaotic is legit! He performed at the stockholm LAN event and put up insane numbers which reflects his online gameplay. He's a good guy!
Lmfao thats what i was saying when they pulled up your tweet
So people moved from Genburten cheating to Chaotic cheating. People will always call a good player sus just because they are better than them. They did it with Gen and now doing it with chaotic.
If a StrikePack/Cronus max can change the aim assist values who could ACTUALLY tell the difference between 0.4 (PC)& 0.5 (the subtle cheat) or 0.6 (console). I play on a 2 response curve and my 301 clips have more recoil than that.
It doesn’t stick like that the aim assist on strike pack sucks
There are two legitimately suspicious moments here:
1. 4:57 The reason why this is sus is because the Hip Fire Accuracy of the R-301 is actually pretty bad, and pulling 111 dmg from that distance is just hard to believe. The only explanation or argument that can be made against this would be a '''bug in hip fire accuracy when sliding'''. I'll have to test this out, in the firing range and game to find out whether sliding affects Hip Fire of the R-301.
Moreover, I've spectated my random cheater teammates who did the same thing. That is having insane hip fire accuracy with the R-301.
2. 7:30 The reason why I find this particular one suspicious is because it looks like he was tracking that guy even after he went behind cover. And Chaotic pretty much continues to shoot and adjusting his aim in a way that the moment the enemy came out, he hits him instantly.
I slowed down the clip to 25% and yeah, it looked like he knew exactly where the enemy was and exactly where he was gonna come out.
I'm not gonna say Chaotic is Cheating, but it definitely appears that way. Because these clips man, you can only defend them by attributing them to luck.
Yeah. The sliding hip fire was the standout for me here. Many of the other clips didn't really even look sus tbh. But that part literally made me skip back and watch several times. It just doesn't look right to me.
people fail to realize he has played at lan events in the past where they check all of your equipment prior to game start. And I am pretty sure he has dropped a 4k at a lan event as well. I am convinced all these accusations have arisen from ignorance.
EXACTLY, people forget he’s done really well at LAN
@@fonztv5885 he never did well at lan, losing in losers bracket is not doing well, that means you are the bottom of the bottom.
Bro i deadass use cheats on pc, and ill even admit, this shit looks mad fuckin sus. I have cheated since the game came out, not one singular person has this insanely good of RCS without a strikepack. You can SEE his guns literally do not move a single centimeter when he shoots. ALL guns will move, unless u use an RCS cheat / strikepack, etc. or ur just inhumanely insane at the game which, especially at far range, is just not possible to be lmao. LAN performance or not, this dude is sus without a controller cam
do you know what as R-301 hip fire looks like? even with re-coil smoothing. so your telling me he is tracking and jitter aiming on a controller ....with his thumb....
i have 5000 hours on the game and i soloed to diamon last season
I mean its a purp stable and he's a high level player soooo I think people are butt hurt plus just a FYI if you have a pack a stable will make way more recoil problems
Of all the pros on roller that I've watched, Chaotic stands out because his recoil is perfect to the t. I have no doubt that he's using something. I've been playing FPS games for over 20 years and have never seen somebody control recoil that well and he does it all the time, no matter the situation, position...etc. Honestly, you can watch his clips and there's literally no recoil. None whatsoever.
+25 years here and that is for sure scripted behavior. Apex recoil patterns are constant for best of my knowledge, there are websites where you can look up the patterns and it's trivial to script that to undetectable strike pack. First shots always reveal it.
If you watch his streams he have insane recoil control, but it isin’t 100% of time. It’s just some clips where he can controll it to look 0
Plus he did goe to apex tournament, whitout his own setup, and played against best players in the world, and still gotted bigest dmg + kill game🤷🏼♂️
@@Saitama-qp1nf I've watched a lot of clips of him, not just hackusations, and he literally has no recoil.
@@Saitama-qp1nf I searched his ALGS clips and found one video where he gets 10 kills 2K damage. In that vid, his recoil control does not look as good as the other stuff I've seen. 10 kills and 2K damage is not crazy, considering they won that round and he is using Valk. If you look at other rounds on ALGS, 2K is pretty avg. for teams that make it to top 2. There are others who do over 3K damage.
Been thinking the guy is strike packing for a few months now, and i still stand by that claim. Ain't no way he ain't.
As far as toosh playing with him... notice before people get caught they were playing with a pro or someone signed. They need to play with them to be able to confirm I think. I could be wrong but this happened before I'm pretty confident I just can't remember the name
"someone"
I would probably be sus about him, but Chaotic has proved in ALGS LAN that he can still do it in a tournament setting. He obviously can’t use his strikepack in LAN, so the fact that he still played well, makes me remove my doubts
It's harder to tell when good players are cheating but this doesn't look like strike pack to me for sure. The r99 snap and the sliding r301 hipfire looking kinda sus but I have done the exact same plenty of times on standard ps4 and controller
Someone who gets it.
I think hes just insane, he is #2 pred for a reason
@@invasivepenguin8560 i mean #2 pred isnt much, people dont grind as they did before or compete like the earlier seasons because there is no incentive plus the reality of how rp works now that is why you have pred at almost 40k rp and the insane rp benchmark that was on olympus.
@@sanjaysanj5603 do it then if it "isnt much". Dumb kids jesus christ.
M&k players and lower level bots can never accept when a player is good. They should stop feeling inferior and just admit to being jealous
This glitch happens in game also but I have a feeling that the hackers are adding cheats server side then implementing on players accounts, it's all about money.
That might explain how he competed at algs. Hackers have gotten into apex many times before
I will say this, he has zero to no recoil, like i tried all of the settings and all of the attachments and still have recoil
Until games can detect these cheats or the accused players play like this on lan the world may never know.
I use a Cronus Zen and that looks like the anti recoil mod pack to me. That's not the strike pack, that's the cronus Zen the strike pack is cheaper and only removes vertical recoil. The gun would still move horizontally, the cronus zen is like 100 dollars and there's scripts for specific guns like the R301 where it removes recoil completely.
You can tell because recoil jump a little even if your aim godly unless you jitter aim
it's real cool that you're able to spot another cheaters specific way of cheating BCS you are a cheater.... -_-
pls.... for the love of anything you care about.......
stop..... if you can't play without it then maybe the game isn't for you... or play without it and do what any LEGITIMATE player does/has done and grind your way to some type of skill.
@@ohno6325 This is the problem, a ton of these kids today don't even consider it cheating or simply don't care about the competitive integrity of the game. This is a big part of why controller support in FPS games bothers me. Someone using hacks with mnk can be detected but with these things it's free rein.
Keep on cheating brother 👊
@@terrycoder8328 preach it. it's like they think if you aren't pressing "up, up, left, down, triangle, circle" it's not a cheat.
Nadia is actually cheating though , she has walls on a monitor in the same area her chat is . Why she looks over so much
Yeah that's cod though, this is apex so really some people don't care about that here..
@@alexlopez9157 I care about aimbot in apex
@@alexlopez9157 some people don’t and those are the people who don’t play Apex every day and don’t play competitively !. You may not care but for 1 person there is 5 others that feel differently. If you don’t care cool that’s all you !
@@needtodobetter7751 you and I both legend
@Charge Rifle Appreciation Society very well said legend
Personally I think Nadia is 100% cheating in some form after watching her play mw2 at Lan
ChaoticMuch is cheating.
@@popfu1704 ok I never said anywhere that I didn't think he was cheating
As someone who has used a strike pack before I think it doesn’t matter I learned that everything a strike pack gives can be done in the ALC setting and better strike pack made recoil more controllable but ALC made it nonexistent controller
True but at the real long ranges you see the difference a strikepack can take it away at the real long ranges like 80m plus.
Just took a picture to share with my gaming homies today at Walmart showing a new shipment of strikepacks for sale for 28.99. These things are EVERYWHERE, they sell out fast every time they get restocked, and at this point I just refer to them as streamer/pro starter kits. Over the counter cheats for 30 bucks or less at most every major retailer.
Lol finally cheaters like taxi will finally get some competition with other cheaters 💀😂
One thing to take note of is how he utilizes strafing to control his recoil. It is a legit method that also works on MnK, but due to rotational aim assist it's a bit more strong on the sticks.
Another thing is that Chaotic usually plays with a 2-4x optic. Up to 4x rotational aim assist and reticle slowing is in effect on controller.
One thing I have no clue on how he does it is beaming off of the horizon lift... No clue how he controls his aim that well on it bc when I try it I just hit the ground for 2K hp lmao
You forgot to include the fact the guy played in a lan where you can't cheat and was still frying
Dude, there has to be so many strike packs and cronuses being used in this game. I see it all the time. The reason why I think that’s the case is because there’s no anti-cheat to detect it And unless somebody comes up and invents a way to detect those, I don’t think there’s anything that can be done. We just have to put up with the cheating 🙄
Epic games found a way and I've noticed that I've been winning more fights against controller players(as a controller player myself) so...
@@XRTerra then I wish EA / Respawn / APEX would implement the same thing then. It’s insane that they don’t already
They wont fix it cuz its not cheating keep crying about it pc has macros which should be cheating
It’s the 301. He’s always using the 301 in those clips. Gun has almost no recoil compared to the Flat or 99
his aim was twitching in the taxi 2g clip as well... dudes a cheetah. could be sticky aim assist mod with cronus, could be some other shit, respawn has no idea who is cheating and there are multiple preds/pro's being paid to cheat and respawn doesn't even know it, either they don't know it or or they do know it and players are being white listed like in call of duty and cant be banned because they bring in a certain amount of views and earn the game a profit
Sticky aim and extra AA
Toosh was 100% joking lol, him and chaotic had been friends long before that clip, that’s why he said it had to be chaotic before they even knew who it was.
Taxi was actually tilted but realized it was just a controller player and dealt with it lol.
Yeah everyone’s always joking around. The eternal scapegoat 🤣
@@Fire4ward not a scapegoat when Toosh and chaotic are good friends that play together on a regular basis
@@ILootStandingStill I can agree with that. However, it is something I see people say a lot in general when people clearly aren’t even joking.
@@Fire4ward oh definitely, that’s the joke though. Toosh is poking fun at all the casual players who accuse any good controller player of cheating.
There’s multiple clips of Toosh making jokes just like that in a clearly sarcastic tone where he even addresses that it’s only below average players who think that way lol.
clip at 7.15 you can if you slow it down actually see the bloodhound just bellow his crosshair dot, it just looks like artefacts in this triple compressed video. but replay it a couple of times in 0.25 and you will spot it eventually. it's only a few frames before the cliff LOS him, but clearly not cheating actually just saw him and tracked him guessing his path, why he is waiting with his aim on the left side of the tree, he expects him to keep running, not walling and seeing him hiding behind the tree guessing he will peak left side. still fucking beams though.
I think seeing Chaotic Munch without an r301 will be a good way to determine if they’re strike packing.
Kinda want to see him use chaotic recoil guns like the Havoc or L-Star.
its exactly the same as the r301, literally a laser, its not normal, not even jitteraiming on mnk gets you to beam like that on a havoc with no attachments
@@Gerelio Still gonna wait to see him use anything else.
Only r301 is a little weird, but understandable. I only use the Bocek a long time ago and now it’s gone and I have nothing.
Toosh is trolling hes says the same thing on his watchparties
The 2nd clip seems legit. The 3rd clip when sliding down and tracking his target that seems hella sus. It just felt like he was auto locked onto the enemy and it followed through perfectly. Thet first clip seemed hella sus too.
I got beamed by an octane while both of us was mid air. My teammate noticed it said something in chat. It was Insane, I don’t play much anymore . So I started looking up these controller strike pack steam config, cronus etc. basically all these controller exploits. Was shocked at how streamers teach people how to do in every fps game. I’m not going to mention the channel name. But holy shit. The amount of people who use these exploits is crazy.
Yea id say he's probably uses a strike pack but I remember a poll on Reddit and it appeared that most of the community said it wasn't cheating even though it 100% is
No wonder chaotic won’t do a handcam, he needs to be exposed and embarrassed for strike packing his way to the top.
I really want to believe that he isnt using a strike pack because I look up to him as a player, but recoil patterns on guns just dont look like that. there is something off about it id say
They might be really good but the recoil control is suspicously perfect
In the taxi clip from what I can tell he is definitely cheating. 1 there is no way u can track someone through a tree whilst using a horizon lift so well that u dont miss a bullet, 2 when taxi revives after blocking the arc star there is a very thin area for chaotic to shoot the actual character instead of the knock down sheild whilst also having the storm affect around u the chances of just beaming that tiny visible area of Newcastle and not miss more than 3 bullets are very slim.
Also I believe before taxi's team dies I think its daltoosh who says it has to be chaotic so either he knows that chaotic is cheating but didnt want to expose him, leading to him making that video with chaotic.
honestly, the only thing that will stop this accusations is if he does a controler cam
No he's not, believe it or not strike packs don't give u that level of recoil control*****
Not about aim but recoil control
@@stannisthemannis8694 thats what i meant, if you look up videos on strike packs they really don't give u that level of control
He could be cheating BUT there's also genburten who hits shots like these on controller and he's been proven to not be a cheater. So it is possible to just be that good on controller.
I mean Gen does that with smgs not medium/long range with ARs... Which is where aim assist works :/
@@ZorrowTasogare92 I believe gen gets a significant amount of help from aim assist, but most of his aim is just him being cracked. he would probably be as good or maybe better with r3 if he used r301 all day every day like chaotic.
What do you mean I’ve always thought wattson was cheating… and that apex was protecting him from bans lol 💀😂👍🤣
that's something that's for sure. its not just natural idc what he says it might not be a strike pack or anything it could even just be a script but yeah its not natural and the reason its noticed is because it basically locks on out of no where the last clip is a perfect example first hes locked onto the tree then it goes to the right and immediately locks onto someone
bro the 301 doesn't have recoil. I play console. Ive been playing fps for about 12 years even competitive top page team on game battles on COD ghosts. the hipfire is sketch. but beaming with a 301 side stepping? easy shit.
It's a high probability that Choatic is cheating. That flatline clip is suspicious because it isn't possible to have 0 recoil with the flatline that far away and the r301 recoil is easy so that's understandable, but it's not supposed to have 0 recoil either so that's a bit suspicious. It's funny though how people defend pro players when they're cheating and then act flabbergasted when they're caught when everyone called it out.
its common on tiktok for people to say "strikepack" even on low view and not as popular tiktokers. but even then im surprised with his consistency of no recoil, sometimes i get beams like that playing on console but very rarely. maybe its just a lot of time playing and fine tuning recoil
I would say Gen and Verhulst are better controller players who also have god tier aim. But I haven't been sus of them for a second. There's just something about chaotic's recoil that feels really off. At least when you see a clip from Gen or Verhulst it looks like they have recoil that they're controlling by muscle memory or aim smoothing. But chaotic has no visible recoil, it looks so unnatural.
Most of his clips are 2x r3 which already has no recoil but if u watch his streams he constantly uses the r3 so ofc he'd learn the recoil quickly 🤷🏻♂️
i believe if he wanted to prove his worth, he needs to play under a whole new system while being monitored. he would be handed a controller (brand new unchanged) and a new pc or console with apex downloaded in. basically making sure every variable is checked and shown. this is honestly the only way to prove someone's honesty to cheating vs not.
he played in Algs and beamed the same... so
@@resolute7177 did you forget about the csgo tournament? Again, like I stated, “monitored”.
Just because you entered a tournament dosnt mean you are in the clear. There have been plenty of cheaters literally downloading cheats to those pcs because they weren’t monitored.
@@resolute7177 it is the same as the guy from d2 who played pc with his left hand on controller and the right with mouse. You have to make sure everything is checked and continued to be checked.
@@resolute7177 dude the lan he subbed in his team did not perform at all, they failed to qual for finals etc, they were in losers bracket and didnt qual.
@@sanjaysanj5603 you're mistaken he was probably the best performer on the team what are you talking about just because they didn't qual doesn't change the fact he was beaming 💀💀
honestly i concider strikepacks cheating but ive also noticed noone complaining about scripts and they still complain about aim assist but thats besides the point if strikepacks are considered cheating (which i think they are) scripts should also
And u think they would be worried because stripe paks increase aa too
Even if he does show a hand cam people would still think that he's cheating.
not true
@@maasondelgado8001 is true because people refuse to believe what's true
@@maasondelgado8001 Of course its true, so many others did it and still have to pull out the clip 20 times a day to some random diamond 4 shitter who cant understand the difference between 500 hours and 5k hours into the game. He played at LAN, end of story.
Yea I don’t think he’s cheating every clip that was brought on here was an r301 which most likely has a barrel stabilizer and people are acting like a controller with 40 percent aim assist at mid range with an r301 is cheating but then we look at genburten a man who can do longer range with just a smg and in the end they are pros who consistently play controller and understand how to properly use recoil smoothing and the limits to aim assist
I think there are more people that are big streamers using things behind closed door then people would actually think. Unfortunately when you have constant advancements in technology it’s hard to stop. Definitely when you have pc in these lobbies. You don’t see this much anymore in the console community. Everyone you see MOST of the time is pc guys. It’s done got so bad it’s hard to tell anymore who is and who isn’t. Obviously people have different skill levels but sometimes it’s hard to believe some of these shots where it does seem there is absolutely no recoil and no shot ever seeming to miss.
I’ve said he’s been cheating since the first time I’ve seen him on a horizon q shooting the 301. It’s not obvious but that’s why he’s able to walk that fine line.
Just off the r99 clip I won't say he is for certain but primarily you need to have your reticle on the enemy to hit them. Given there's hitbox issues but that wasnt it. Just slow it down you literally see the horizon almost looks like she's jumped right over the bullets and is already landing. But he still hits her perfectly. And the tracking is slightly but off aswell.
We really should have controller cam to prove it
Just fishy that all controller pros have no problem showing the cam but I've never seen a controller cam. Not saying it's true but he should be streaming with a cam if he wants to avoid these accusations. And if he starts doing so after these accusations, then viewers should compare his vids from before controller cam to after to see if his gameplay changes. Really the only way to find out
Its a steaming issue. Chaotic's stream actually cut frames which happens to a lot of streamers. Watch it slow mo and look at the background you'll notice it. I do agree chaotic is sus but I've watched enough of his streams that I honestly don't believe he's cheating and i don't think the pros that have and do play with him would if they knew he was cheating. I will say the hipfire is sus except i think theirs a bug in Apex because i've experienced hipfire like that where it hits bullets like im ADS'd and perfectly tracking. I watched nickmercs do it on a horizon going up q, he had the same reaction as chaotic, surprised af. I'm sure other roller players can chime in having that experience. I personally would like someone to compare verhulst at lan to his online play, guy just seemed like a different player.
The toosh and taxi clip was just them joking 😂 toosh and the ferd boys troll and talk crap like that all the time
when they said he was cheating they were complimenting him.
We saw his point of view, those weren’t all headshots. All headshots would’ve been 120 or something when it was 99 on that first dude complaining. They don’t show the death recap really either, too little information to make any conclusion.
I don’t think he is using a strike pack it looks too smooth to be strike pack if it is something it would probably be a Cronus
thats what im saying strike packs don't give u that level of recoil control, not to mention he was at algs and still beaming like this
Both can do the same thing, especially if anyone uses the extra aim assist and anti recoil mods
The taxi and daltoosh clip is ducking dumb to call him a cheater. These dudes are literally in ring taking damn and we’re not fully healed when chaotic started shooting them lol
I typically like your content but this is a stretch. Anyone who knows anything knows that chaotic and daltoosh are homies from the PlayStation days. Y’all reaching. No one thinks he’s actually cheating. The dude is just good. He also played at lan recently. No one saw a strike pack but whatever lol I guess when you run out of content you gotta make stuff up.
I had a friend that used strike pad. After playing with him for months I only found out because he told me. I would have never noticed and thought he was controller always. Controller is the excuse and the reason we can’t for sure say it is a zen, strike pack etc. Sussss
I don't think he's cheating for the simple fact that he regularly plays tournaments against the best teams, such tsm, cloud 9, rng and so on. He's also the number one pred, so he plays this game A LOT, probably spends his whole day playing, constantly in ranked.
Also he's using his main account, which wouldn't make any sense, he's had this account for many and many seasons, if he was cheating that account would have been gone by now considering the amount of accusations and reports he gets everyday
Since I’ve first discovered chaotics clips I’ve said he’s either strike pack or Cronus zen. It’s impossible to control recoil like that on a controller. Don’t know how he’s been getting away with it this long
That’s just a skill issue, all good controller players have hit beams like that. My last upload on here is 3+ minutes of beams just like Chaotics. Just because someone has better aim than you doesn’t mean they’re cheating, especially if they’re a legitimate professional lol.
@@ILootStandingStill lmao
Go watch Genburten … controller beam god. And he’s legit.
@@AHappyZeebra yeah and people still blame him of using one even in algs 😂
Me and my friends beam like this too. This just looks like another really good player to me. One clipping kids on a horizon tac isn't all that hard with a 301.
Bro chaotic definitely doing something, no way u can get that lucky.
😂 I’m really starting to think y’all just be hating if he had a control cam y’all still go say he cheating
Like this type of video alot, keep em coming! On another note, I don't think chaotic uses a strike pack but I do believe a large majority of the gaming community uses strike packs/no recoil/soft aim bot and get away with it so easy cuz it's undetectable. But they should really pull the stats and see what the percentage hitting shots over a long period of time is compared to others. Like if someone has a 50kd with 50k kills, you have to at least suspect something and monitor it
Chaotic went to ALGS, where they obviously checked his gear, including his controller. If he was cheating he would be busted already. Same goes for all the other pros
@@avar1ce319 and he didn't do much on Lan, just look at his Liquipedia, he got 22nd on a Lan event and on online tournaments he is always on top 5, hmmm not sus at all right? Look at Verhulst and Genburten for example or any other team that have a controller fragger, their stats are always kinda constant
@@Ottoni174 pretty sure he was with a fresh team or he was the sub i think. He also didn’t have any prior experience
@@avar1ce319 true but rambeau was also subbing and did very well, and experience in beaming he has
In my opinion he looks sus, I’m not gonna say he’s using a strike pack but, I’m not gonna say I don’t think he is using one.
hes just better
Idk honestly, his shots were mainly r-301 i saw and honestly the 301 isn't hard to use. Also we can only assume on what he shows us in his own clips and ofc it'll be his best. The only way to get proof is a roller cam and him showing the roller.