John Skelton: Henry VIII's Tutor
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Today we’re looking at John Skelton, the tutor of King Henry VIII in his boyhood…
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Images (from Wikimedia Commons, unless otherwise stated):
Engraving of John Skelton, published by William Richardson (1797). Held by the National Portrait Gallery.
Portrait of King Henry VII by an unknown Netherlandish artist (1505). Held by the National Portrait Gallery.
Portrait of Arthur, Prince of Wales by an unknown artist of the Anglo-Flemish school (c.1500). Held by the National Portrait Gallery.
Described as Henry VIII as a young boy (?) by Guido Mazzoni (c.1498). Held by the Royal Collection. Image from Flickr.
Screenshot form: www.bl.uk/manuscripts/Viewer....
Relief map of England (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:En...)
Portrait of Henry VIII of England by Meynnart Wewyck (c.1509). Held by the Denver Art Museum.
Screenshot from archive.org/details/magnifice...
Screenshot from www.oed.com/
Portrait of Thomas Wolsey by Sampson Strong (1585-1596). Held by Trinity College, Cambridge.
Quoted texts:
John Scattergood, ODNB entry on John Skelton.
William Caxton on John Skelton.
Mary C. Flannery, ‘The English Laureate in Time: John Skelton’s Garland of Laurel‘, in Medieval Into Renaissance: Essays for Helen Cooper, ed. by Andrew King and Matthew Woodcock (D. S. Brewer, 2016).
Also consulted, were:
John Skelton's "Magnificence", edited by Paula Neuss (1980)
"John Skelton: The Critical Heritage", edited by Anthony Edwards (2013)
www.gutenberg.org/files/59997...
F. M. Salter, "Skelton's Speculum Principis" in Speculum, Jan., 1934, Vol. 9, No. 1 (Jan., 1934), pp. 25-37.
David R. Carlson and John Skelton, "The Latin Writings of John Skelton" in Studies in Philology, Autumn, 1991, Vol. 88, No. 4, Texts and Studies, 1991. The Latin Writings of John Skelton (Autumn, 1991), pp. 1-125.
"A Critical Companion to John Skelton" edited by Sebastian I. Sobecki, V. J. Scattergood (2018).
Other relevant entries from The Oxford Dictionary of National Biography Online.
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CORRECTION: It has been kindly pointed out that I mistakenly stated that Skelton tutored Henry until 1402 or 1403 - I meant 1502 or 1503 🫣
I also misspelled “judgement”!
This has certainly been a bumper dyslexia episode. Apologies and thank you in advance for your understanding ☺️
If you truly have dyslexia, please accept my profound respect. A close friend of mine with dyslexia also pursues scholarly research as a Doctor of Philosophy and I see firsthand the extreme talent, dedication and discipline this requires. PLUS, you have a warm, charming, engaging personality that makes me want to treat you to lunch!
@@ingridseim1379 I do, I was diagnosed pretty late - I had already started my doctorate - I have a video on the channel about my experience and what diagnosis meant for / to me.
Thank you for your kind words 🥰
@@ReadingthePast I will search out and watch that video, then! Thank YOU for putting out content that brings people together for civilized, humane discussion and exchanges. What a haven from much of what's on social media! ♥️👍💞
No problem. As a fellow dyslexic, I just presume it's a test for us. Another wonderful video, thank you. I really enjoy hearing about the people around the kings and queens.📜
Thank you for all of the amazing content and it was a great joy for me to learn about John Skelton. I did not miss a beat when you said 1402 or 1403.
I like it that Babbel is providing free language classes to people in Ukraine. I like that way of supporting people in such a practical way.
How dare you say Ukraine weak!!
So grateful for the channel. After a stroke, reading is incredibly difficult. Having access to someone with so much knowledge is beyond appreciated ❤❤❤
I hope you are able to do more things that you enjoy.
I definitely agree that this channel is a God’s send. I had a similar medical issue that also left me arms pretty well useless so I now use a styles to communicate. If anything. A debilitating illness. term or permanently, compensates with a strong will and active mind. History is challenging to balance the ‘what if’ against the ‘because’. here is where you also find the ability to have input.the what do you think? The value of this channel is immeasurable and I was pleased to see others like yourself give appreciate for all they do to keep us involved without having to unlock the front door. 👏🌈
I enjoy the fact we learn not just about the main people of history but other people around them too
This is such an interesting idea-I love thinking about all the different influences on a monarch’s life and worldview, and of the complex game of chess at play behind the scenes at court in the Tudor and Stuart eras.
They say everyone needs at least one great teacher. You may have found Henry VIII’s in Skelton. He seemed so passionate about making sure his pupil received the education he needed. ✍🏼✝️
Fabulous. The twentieth-century British composer Ralph Vaughan Williams set some of Skelton’s poetry-mostly ribald-in his composition “Five Tudor Portraits.”
May I suggest a topic? An episode on the life of Sampson Gideon, the fabulously wealthy Jewish financier who lent the Crown immense sums of money during the fraught years of 1746-47, when the Jacobite rebellion caught the British government unawares? He is a fascinating and inspiring character.
Royal subjects attacking each othet are too busy to criticize the King. That is one lesson Henry had learned.
The Tudor tutor.
Hey, I had to.
I was thinking that should have been in the title
Did he drive a two-door? 🚗
Another excellent presentation. I appreciate your research, attention to facts, and interpretation.
Always interesting! Thanks for being our great teacher!❤
Thanks as always Dr. Kat! You are the best historian on RUclips in my book! 📚
Speaking of pronunciation: Calliope is pronounced Cal-ee-OP-ee. In modern English, we tend to put the stress on the second syllable in words of three or more syllables. But, in classic pronunciation for most IE languages, it’s in the penultimate syllable for words of more than three syllables (there is a much lighter accent on the second syllable). The accent is on the first syllables for words of two syllables. There are exceptions, of course. (I’m Greek, sorry I couldn’t resist, but just to note: Classical Greek really didn’t have accented syllables). More Greek pronunciation: C is always a K sound, G is always a G sound, not a J sound). So hegemony, a commonly butchered Greek word these days, is: Heg-ee-MO-nee, not HEDGE-A-mon-ee.
Also it depends on where you live. In New Orleans the paddle wheel boats have cal-ly-oh-pees playing, but the street is pronounced cal-lee-ope. Go figure 😊
No, Kimberly, all my dictionaries state quite clearly, that 'Calliope' is pronounced as cal-LIE-o-pee, and that is the only pronunciation I've heard others use in English. In other languages, of course, this ancient Greek name is pronounced differently. You are right that ancient Greek did not have stressed syllables, but English does, and every English word of two or more syllables has a stress on one of those syllables. Knowing which syllable in an English word is part of knowing how to pronounce it. If in doubt about where to put the stress, just consult a dictionary.
Actually...Dr Kat got the pronunciation perfect. I wrote a paper in 1962 (yes I am as old as Methuselah) on the word calliope. Summarizing, the English Oxford dictionary used this pronunciation: Kah-lia-uh-pee.(accent on LIA( sounds like lye) The origin is Greek. Calliope origin is Greek meaning is beautiful-voiced. In the United States the most common immigrant translation to what was taught here as the King’s English, reverted to the older Greek pronunciation of kah-LYE-oh-pee ( the oh actually pronounced as an ahh) and it stuck here, especially depending if you were educated in the North Or South ( - remember the USA is only a mere 250 years old up against a melting pot of accents.) The majority of foreign languages to English schools for citizenship had Ist language German Speaking instructors. As a side note, the German language failed in Congress to become the new nations official langue by one vote - or so agenda driven historians say as I have yet to find proof of that fact) However, it is true it was the only language besides English that the Declaration of Independence was printed at the time of the revolution. Adding to the mix is the fact Noah Webster was asked to create a new language, Instead, he opted to write a new dictionary based on the King’s English that includes new spellings of words ( e.g. colour became color) along with new pronunciations ( hard Ohs as softer Ahs) and new definitions. Considering in 16th centuries, England 10 year olds were writing prose and the illiteracy rate in 21 century America as many 10 years old can’t pass remedial reading, We are in no position to correct or critique pronunciations as it is the least of our educational failures. Interpretation of pronunciation is fluid.
The English language altered pronunciation of many words from many languages, including classic Latin and Greek.
In Greek, you are absolutely right, the third syllable is stressed in this name/word.
The English entered pronunciation of Calliope - the way it is argued here. For those who prefer using the original name can follow Greek pronunciation. Others - English.
There is a town Calliope in Queensland for which the “i” that is most definitely pronounced “eye”. That said, we also have a town named Proserpine that is pronounced “prosser pine” as in the tree. So, we’re not experts.
I'm still trying to figure out why British history interests me so much since as far as I know, there's not a drop of English blood anywhere with my family . That be said, I learn so much every time I find your channel. I can't thank you enough for lightening this " elderly" lady's days ❤🙏
Love hearing about people I have never come across before
You could really say he was the Tudor's tutor (I'm probably the 10 millionth person to make that joke). you can't blame him for writing stuff to appeal to the monarch- as history shows us, it's a very good strategy! 👨🏫⛪️✒️📜
📦📖✒️📚📜I’ve always had a strong interest and curiosity of the people who educate, influence, and help the powerful create the sphere of power and control. Another interesting character of Henry’s world. Thank you😊
Author of one of my favorite poems:
To Mistress Margaret Hussey
BY JOHN SKELTON
Merry Margaret,
As midsummer flower,
Gentle as a falcon
Or hawk of the tower:
With solace and gladness,
Much mirth and no madness,
All good and no badness;
So joyously,
So maidenly,
So womanly
Her demeaning
In every thing,
Far, far passing
That I can indite,
Or suffice to write
Of Merry Margaret
As midsummer flower,
Gentle as falcon
Or hawk of the tower.
As patient and still
And as full of good will
As fair Isaphill,
Coriander,
Sweet pomander,
Good Cassander,
Steadfast of thought,
Well made, well wrought,
Far may be sought
Ere that ye can find
So courteous, so kind
As Merry Margaret,
This midsummer flower,
Gentle as falcon
Or hawk of the tower.
I’ll have you know, that I do a little dance to the intro music everytime. 🥰
Thanks for posting.
This channel is a treasure trove! ❤
Thanks Dr Kat!
⛪ Another fascinating video that I will have to re-watch. Thank you so much for these "side journeys", exploring the roles of individuals who may seem peripheral to some, yet have their own stories just waiting to be shared. 📖✍🏰
Fantastic. As usual.
Thanks
Love your content! You're amazing 😊😊😊❤❤❤
Hi Dr. Kat! Always a pleasure to watch any and all of your videos. I haven't commented in awhile, but always enjoy. I mentioned a long time ago that it would be so fascinating to have a video in regard to medical practices, and holistic medications that were common or relied upon in King Henry VIII reign. By all accounts, he was interested in and using what was considered "modern" treatments at the time. Blood letting? Herbal concoctions? What did they use to help illness and injuries? How effective were they? Just a mention, which would be a very interesting video. Much love! You look wonderful, and as always, great insight.
🙏 Thank you for teaching us about the in depth analysis of the people in history
Will echo others by saying "another great video". Thank you for the *'s from 21:14 to 22:48 explaining words and / or phrases. It's appreciated. Sometimes I see a word and until I hear you speak it I wonder 'what the heck' and then it's like why didn't I guess that? However, most the *'d words I had no idea what they meant. Dr Kat you'll have us all speaking Tudor English.
I find it amazing sometimes the things that we don't know about a person. Like dates of birth / death / education. Maybe it's more amazing what has survived. 🧾🗞
Glad to see William Caxton will get his own video. 📜📖
Brilliant and enthralling.
Thank you.
A video on William Caxton is definitely in order and you, Doctor Kat, are the one to do it! 📖
New information, thank you
I enjoy your channel. It is very educational. After watching your videos for an extended period of time, it seems to me that just about everyone (with the possible exception of the poor and peasant classes) in the Tudor world was constantly engaged in climbing the social ladder. Was this limited to the Tudor period or is this standard operating procedure for the English middle class and nobility for the majority of English eras?
Very interesting gentleman. Very clever poetry.📜🛐
Excellent video.
I was listening through this waiting for the 'and then Henry took a dislike to Skelton's face' moment, and was glad it didn't come. Skelton wasn't afraid to ruffle feathers, was he?
Yeah, he doesn't come across as that likeable a chap, but anybody that could walk away from the Tudor court with their head attached deserves applause.
It is interesting. 👨🎓
❤ thank you for sharing
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Thanks Dr Kat 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🍁🍂🎃🍂🍁
Outstanding work. ❤✍✍
Loved it 😊
Really interesting, thank you 🙏🙏👵🇦🇺
Off topic...(apologies for length) Dr Kat I gather 'etc' was in written use as '&c'. I assume the short answers are 'Latin' but what are the meanings of both, why was this used rather than 'et al' or similar, and when did we switch to 'etc'?
I remember being told at school that in formal documents and assignments, dissertations etcetera the word should preferably be avoided but at least written out in full.
Also, when did other now common abbreviations begin and was the ampersand really widely used then? Were abbreviations themselves commonly used as time and ink savers, were they for informal usage only, or were they frowned upon as lazy or rude? I'd like to see a presentation on this sort of subject, as
I'm curious about all types of literary history.
Another suggestion...when did things like chapters begin? I know paragraphs weren't used in Early Modern times but when did they begin? Including in the Bible? Were they always used?
I look forward to your uploads immensely and happily rewatch your back catalogue. Thank you for sharing your time, skill, and hard work with us.
Another amazing video! Thanks Dr. Kat!!❤
Thanks for explaining some of the more arcane words
another informative and insightful video👑
French has some difficult vowels sounds for us English speakers, but otherwise it isn’t difficult to learn, we know a lot already because so much English comes from French. I wish I had kept up the fluency in French I had 40 years ago. When I studied it at university in the early 80s, it was still considered the second diplomatic language, after English. Spanish has taken that place now, but French is much more useful for those interested in English history, like me. But, I don’t remember much now, use it or lose it! You’ll do great n French now, dear Dr. Kat, don’t stress🙂
This was fascinating! Thanks as always for your well-researched & well-reasoned windows into the past.
Thx Dr. Kat, very enjoyable history vlog 📚. Best wishes from Adelaide; South Australia🇦🇺💐
Waiting on the edge of our seat here in Kentucky!
This Hoosier agrees.
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Great video.❤😊❤❤❤
Another great view video Dr Kat
I love your videos! Very pretty pendant you’re wearing!
Thanks for your always work !! 🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩
Seeing the paintings you showed, although I never thought Hemry VIII looked like VII, it struck me how much Authur did. And I can see why Henry VIII was judged to be so handsome. Do you think he looked like his mother?
An ambassador did write that his face would become a pretty woman when he saw the young Henry. I can see a similarity in the portrait of his mother, I think.
@@ReadingthePast i agree and she was apparently described (or was it HER mother?) as the most beautiful woman in the country.
Another great video!! I was waiting since yesterday 🥰📖📖📜🖋️
Great insights as always! Certainly there were a number of different influences on H8's life, and John Skelton was definitely a key one, both in his young life, and also, as you point out so well here, during his reign too!
Love your channel!! Thank you!!
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Henry was intelligent and very attentive to what was happening around him. I wouldn't be surprised if he learn from example.
Exclusion of the Minions! I saw the film 😁
Thanks! Great content!
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Please give a lesson on Stephen Gardner, Cramers foil.
Loved this video - both entertaining and astute about human nature. I wonder if there is a work of historical fiction with Skelton as the central or a major character? ✒
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Henry was one of the most selfish rulers in history. He had no loyalty to anyone. Cardinal Wolsey was tossed aside despite the dedication to the king over the years. And while I’m not a fan , Cromwell too was loyal to Henry only to be sent to his death because of the Anne of Cleves ‘screw up’? Dr. Kat , your channel is quite the treasure for those of us who love literature and history. Thank you for your hard work.
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I enjoyed the video!!❤🇺🇸👋🏻
Thank you 😊
📝👨🏫Sounds like Skelton wasn't particularly subtle, at least with that play
Taking a look at Hampton Court Palace I have to agree and concur that it is hard not to agree that the palace was a bit much for a mere priest / member of the clergy.
Therefore my question becomes if Woolsey was building his sumptuous palace sometime between 1521 or 1522 just where exactly was Henry residing at that particular point in time, in history? Where was his residence located at?
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for the chairs, you missed any public chairs with arms, not just on planes. It's doctors offices, theatres, and more - all are extremely uncomfortable and pinchy. I usually just choose to stand.
I never knew this
Sounds like they had a functional symbiotic relationship. Skelton's sense of individuality probably rubbed off on Henry at a young age. Skelton's words about Wolsey's Hamton Court I read as the inspiration for Henry to take it for himself. Henry may or may not have noticed the comparison otherwise. And later, Skelton saying what his king wanted to hear in florid language, and Skelton continuing to be paid. We won't know exactly what Skelton thought, but he did keep his head. ✍
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I would be interested if the different fractions at Hnry VIII court had only their own (or their relative´s careers) in mind. Or did some of them have special agendas concerning the future development of the country`s laws, economics or foreign poilicies? Is this concept, that courtiers could promote a cause beside self-interest, too modern?
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Woo, Yorkshire !!!
I've just bought FOOL: IN SEARCH OF HENRY VIII's CLOSEST MAN, by Peter K Andersson. It's about Will Sommers
(the dwarf jester who seems to appear in more paintings with Henry VIII than anyone else).
DOES ANYONE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS BOOK?
Shame it arrived with a 6' strip of the cardboard packaging super-glued to the front cover.
Apparently Skelton had enough sense to refrain from commenting on the King's Great Matter. Is this an example of how he kept his head attached?
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That poetry was pretty dire 😂😂😂
I had to read Skelton at uni and I'm ashamed to say I remembered almost nothing!
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The figure at 6:39 is a bit creepy (maybe I am seeing the “Chucky” resemblance only because I am watching this just after Hallowe’en)!