Master Bow Builder Series Part 2 Tillering and Finishing Bow
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2025
- This series of videos teaches you how to build a bow with a minimum amount of tools that will last you a lifetime.
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these 2 videos of tillering and finishing a bow were the best i have seen on the web. very well done guys!!
This is one of the coolest videos I've ever seen. The guy is a natural teacher, I learned a tremendous amount from him. Thank you so much for sharing, my next stop is his website.
I have a Gerber hatchet, it has lasted years and works just fine. Then again I sharpen it every now and then almost after every use.
Love the dog in the background...thanks for the great lesson
I have sawed wood like that when my Mormon tea is a little to stiff! LOL I really like you heading into the long term stuff, when things hit the fan people will have to live much closer to the land. To much of RUclips is people demonstrating single skills, I would love to see someone putting them all together in actual use. It would be cool if someone went out with just a cutting tool, blanket, and container for a REAL two week stint! Thanks for the vid, great stuff!!!
Good point at the beginning about keeping a good axe. Don't skimp and buy a cheap one. I bought a small Fiskars axe and it's always with me in the backpack when i head out in the woods etc. Very handy for this kind of work, and making a fire/firewood. Also keeps a sharp edge.
fok u
Fiskars 8 is more than perfect for this kind of precise job! Recomend it! :)
I prefer using my little Pfeil-Drawknife. Much faster, if you know how to use it.
I agree. don't need those foreign tools. we have excellent axes right here in Montana and USA.
very beautiful work. wish you were in Florida. I'd love to see more of your work.
+Christopher Powell We are in Florida. Jacksonville classes are up and running. we have a bow class next year.
How much is the class?
+Christopher Powell $400 for 4 day class.
It's looking real good, cant wait to see the final peice :) Thank you for making these videos :):)
well you can buy almost completed bows with no finish and that still need to be tillered for less than 200. I recommend buying the materials from him and building your own with these videos
I've got an estwing hatchet, lasted for years and keeps an edge wonderfully
Thanks!Awesome instructions!!
@ 11:11 the dog shows his interest in learning! 😂😂
legend has it he's still under there
Tracker is hilarious!
im just curious? How thick was the handle and the limbs? Because he didnt clearly state it from 0:58-1:55 unless I just clearly missed it.
Amazing craftsmanship, that you so much for the upload..
That rasp would make one heck of a nice Bowie ,, must be a black Diamond
I can appreciate the craftmanship of doing something like this by hand. But by careful selection and use of modern day electric tools you can get the same results in much less time. If I had a lot of time to enjoy it in the wild like you are doing it would be perfect. But otherwise I would use my shop tools. Some shop tools require even more careful handling to get the required results but thye do save a lot of (precious for me ) time. Anyway you are doing a great job.
Joe Smith you can't get away from rasping. modern tools will not speed it up at all. We have used all types of belt sanders and a farriers rasp is faster. much faster. Mike can finish an entire bow in a day.
Sigma 3 Survival School Well, when I have the time for it I will try it with my tools and see how long it takes. To each its own,I still think that with the correct electrical tools this can be cut down to hours, but you are the experts so until I can actually do it Ill take your word for it. Once a guy at the model airplanes club told me that I could never design and fly by myself a model airplane, that I have to buy it. What a surprise when he saw my model airplane flying far better than his bought one. Ill let you know....thanks for the info.
Sigma 3 Survival School Yeah, sorry, doing things using traditional techniques is one thing; saying your rasps and draw knives are faster than a sander and band saw is just a flat out stupid.
Jake Holt It is not, trying to belt sand that profile instead of chunking most of it out with an axe would be significantly slower. Once you are finished with the gross work much of what is done with a rasp is too fine to be easily done with an electric tool without ruining the piece. Chasing a growth ring on the back of the bow should not be done abrasively in any case and needs to be done with a draw knife and spokeshave or the scratches from the abrasive will propagate cracks. Not to mention the careful work needed to deal with pin knots that a sander would blow right through and put a nice weak point in the limb. Add to that the difficulties with holding the irregularly shaped piece for safe power tool use will further limit their utility. I will admit you might be able to shave 45 seconds off of cutting the shelf with a jigsaw or sawzall instead of a panel or coping saw.
Self bows are about working with the grain of the wood and making decisions based on the needs of the particular piece of material. It is not about cutting to precise predetermined lines efficiently. Of course self bows are not the only kind of bow out there. You can make a laminated bow with a shop full of power tools and jigs, potentially in much less time, with the exception of glue cure time.
I use a granfors draw knife and carving axe and a host of rasps on some and I use every power tool you can imagine on some.. Think the results are different? Spoiler: They aren't. You wouldn't even be able to tell the difference. The latter is faster by a huge margin. Just the band saw cuts the time in half. I tend to lean towards more traditional techniques, but i am realistic enough to not be a traditionsnob about it.
Great skills and tutorial.
we are in the process of getting a location setup in the uk. should be next year
What can be used to use in place of a rasp if you were out in the wilderness in a bug out situation?
am i the only one who was in awe of his ability to draw a straight line?
thats awsome i started following along not as good as yours thou but it is my first time X3
Looking forward to a class with you guys
When making a dogwood bow do you need to establish a back or just take off the bark and that's your back?
could you use sand paper to slick up the tool marks?
prolly a decent rock that'll fit in your hand that has a semi rough side to it, can get an egg shaped rock out of a creek or river and try to bust it in half to get that rough edge to it. but its prolly a hell of a lot easier to just get a rasp to carry with you instead.
Nowhere in the boring ol UK can you buy a trunk of Hickory. So ive come up with an alternative idea! Im goin to try it out ,and if it works i might make a vid.
You can find yew or ash or plenty of other good woods that work well for making a bow.
Ash oak and maple for us blighties mate. English yew is short and twisted apparently. Elms good but we've had a fungus wipe out a lot :( or buy a stave...
im just wondering if you use anyother wood then hikory, is the back suppose to be the hard wood and the belly the softer sapwood?
Is there a reason you wouldn't take the time to make the lines more precise?
Cool try get it around heartfordshire ive been intrested in this for years
after watching this a sling shot comes to mind :)
haha for everything it takes time to make something good. were did you get the wood for your bow, I want to make one and I dont have access to alot of money so I will be going hardcore primitive when I do mine. I was hopping I could find some good hickory at homedepot but you can never know from a place like that.
Great video, I have a question, I'm up in Canada, we don't have the hardwoods you have where you're at. There is pine, spruce, balsam fir, birch, and popular trees up here. Out of these woods I mention, what would you recommend using for a bow. Thanks
right on fellers, my research has come to you. very much what I was lookin for. my first is out of Canadian oak. I dont know the proper species but I am confident with what your vid shows. Come down to my hand. is there any way to season log rather than the year in dry dark place? how bout a box with small fan circulating and some external slight warmth?
will any other woods work? poplar?wildcherry? locust etc?
Jon Dow any hardwood will work. locust isn't bad, black locust is best. harder the wood the better the bow.
Couldn't you make the shelf in the center of the bow and just add extra rigid space above it to account for the rigid handle? I'm completely new at this and was wondering what difference it would make while shooting if the shelf is in the middle or the handle was.
He's making nice bows.
I liked your ax, can you tell me a more about it.
I love how you call Gerber axes garbage (which I don't entirely disagree on) and a minute later there's someone using a Gerber ax behind you lmao.
Gee Lizcano yeah I hate that students bring them, but I can't control that.
Gee Lizcano yeah I saw that axe
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what string are you using i mean from what is the string made the material
Question on handle position: you position the handle in the centre of the bow and so the arrow shelf is 2" above the centre of the bow. Some bow makers position the the centre of the handle 1" below the centre of the bow, and so the arrow shelf is only 1" above the centre of the bow. Are there any advantages/disadvantages to these two methods?
thank you so much for sharing this.
Do you guys ever do this in the Southwest? I am in Arizona and would be interested in one of these schools. Great Videos.
I think I might the video explains things fairly well.
What is the process when cutting down a fresh piece of wood? Do you cut the bow or do you let the wood dry for a year first?
Jamie Holmes you have to age the stave first and make sure it is properly dried. there are ways of speeding that up, not covered in the video
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I see. I am thinking of making a juniper bow for my son. So after I find a nice juniper stave and I seal it should I just leave it in me cellar?
Sigma 3 Survival School how long have the pieces of wood (in this video) been cut from a living tree?
Jamie Holmes In case you haven't looked it up yet, the bowyers bible, I forget which number, covers speed drying. Cut the wood down to the widest and thickest dimension the bow is going to end up so you have the whole stave that thick. Seal the ends of the stave and tie it down to prevent warping and hope for the best.
How thick was the handle. Also how wide was the handle at the center of the bow?
Hemlock is that a good wood to make a bowl with? If I got a 2 by 4 hemlock could I make a decent BoW from it that 6 ft long
Conifers typically make terrible bows
Also what were the exact dimensions? I know the biggest width is about 2" but what about the handle?
What kind of wood are you using?
About how long do you think the scrapping with the rasp will take And any help on cracking my handle has some small cracks will it matter much or what
+Jeff Bonds cracking on handle isn't a big deal. that is caused by to much moisture still left in the wood escaping. I can rasp one out in about 4 hours.
Awesome video!!! :3
Hi. What trees you can use for make bows? What tree are you cutting in this video? Thanks and regards.
Thanks.
The dog is so cute
Where do you get one of those giant rasp? I cannot find one.
whats the puppys name-nice video
would a cabinet scrapper and spokeshave do a better job than a rasp. I hate sanding things.
No
yes I've seen and used a scraper before.
I think a wood spoke shave, with the low angle, and a scraper would work much better. Rasps tend to tear. I'd sure as hell not rasp the back, scrape only I'd think
...and sure enough the expert is scraping the back :)
+Sigma 3 Survival School how thick and wide was the center of the handle?
What type of rasps did you use in the tillering process?
good job...
About what thickness would your bow arms have to be to equal roughly 80 lbs? I don't want to differ too much from my compound. I don't know if it matters, but I have a 32 inch draw and am using hickory. Also, can you do a tutorial one day on tool handles like axes, spears and such.
Two Questions: How do you add reflex to the limbs? I'd presume just heat and bend. And how do you adjust the draw weight of your bow? Is it just by shaving off wood on the limbs?
How much would u charge to build one . New to useing bows.
very well made bow
how far does the bow need to go on the tillering stick before it is done
You're link isnt working for the DVD and couldnt find it just going to the website. Ya'll discontinue the bow making dvd?
could you use birch as a woodtype for your bow?
naw dog birch for a bow is no good. birch saplings for arrows is another story. looks like they are using oak. check out poor folks bow on google for first timer tutorials also paleo planet.
chucknorrisisgodchas hickory
do you have to use a split log or can you use a branch? I ask because i have two branches, couple inches thick each. will this work too?
It works, however you are limiting the draw weight and length because of a higher crown on the back, makes it less tension strength, easy way is make the working limb the length of draw, draw weight is dependant more on the stick. Lots of good info online if your prepared to find it.
is the carving for the arrow made for left or right hand use?
How thick do the limbs and the handle have to be? 1/2 inches for the limbs and 1.5 for the handle?
im not sure what woood it is i think its oak X3 but i picked it up from my back yeard X3
what is the width of the grip ?? i know the lenght is 4 inches can you tell me ?
I was making one today, 3 hours later... I don't know the right dimensions of the lins, then it was almost finished, just about making the last steps and when I tested broke.
Can you tell me the dimension of the lins, the right thickness.
Thanks :/
I'm using cherry wood.
Iago kind of a late late respond but that wood isn't best for this,it splinter s too much.you can use different woods , experiment a little,I used to make mini bows like 14" and use skewers for arrows,they are quick and you can break it and it's not hours of wasted time.i usually use cedar or juniper ,it's what's most abundant here. Also I use imitation sinew for string.
I love what you doing I all wayes try to pek stuf cwcle but i wed like to be ther and injoe making it :)
That was not English. Try again!
ifunk79 even the google translater is better :D
Andy Brutus i cn typ lik u JUST KIDDING
Are you possessed?
What kind of axe was that?
Do you have any experience with hophornbeam,its very hard wood,do you think its going to make good bow and what design should I use?
que tipo de madeira vcs usaram?
Well I don't know a lot about bows or woods. But I'd like to follow up on this and other videos and guides i've seen and read and I was wondering what kind of bow I should make. Once I've made a few for practice, is it possible to make a bow that is 50 inches (when strung) or less, and is powerful enough to take bigger game like deer accurately enough?
Would it be one the type mentioned that bends through the handle?
Thanks in advance and nice informative video!
It took me far too long to realize the video was sped up. I was like, "goddam!"
I was thinking that guy with the handsaw should cut back on the caffeine!
I don't know anything about it but wouldn't it make more sense to cut the shelf into the stronger limb instead of the weaker limb? won't that make the weaker limb even weaker?
you use the strong limb on the bottom because of the arrow location. you are going to have the arrow 2 inches higher than center. Causing the upper limb to bend slightly more than the bottom. Thus making the two limbs more equal.
The shelf is in a non bending/working part of the bow so it doesn't affect the limb it is next to.
hey is there a school that dose this in the uk ??
Why cant i use a band saw to cut the bow? Would it weaken the bow more then a hand saw will
You can with some portions of the bow to speed it up. But tillering and final roughing in must be done with blade and rasp
fok u
Do i need to put a shelf in the bow?
You don't have to but it does help. And if you don't put in a shelf, you'll need to buy or make a proper glove so the fletch doesn't cut your hand while shooting.
Big fan
Can I use oak as a bow wood
I checked the site. A bow costs a good grand. That's what you get for hand crafted perfection.
woord type?
I like the music what is it?
How much was this class ?
I like the bow guy
Did u use hardwood??
What happened to Gerber? Didn't they used be a decent tool company?
can you sand the inner parts that you mess up
Whats the width measurement? How well does Birch, Maple, or Oak work?
+Chris Robinson 1 3/4" is average measurement but all bows will be different. Usually between 1.5-2.25" wide is the average range.
that wook used?
I use jack plane to keep decreasing the amount of wood after using axe, he is a lot faster then rasp and very accurate, only at the last tillering I use rasp. I would love to hear your opinions and people who do the same :)
Dovydas Pocius I rasp around 90% of it. With the right technique there is just about nothing else that works better. make sure to use ferriers rasp, not a normal wood rasp.
+Sigma 3 Survival School Why do you use a farriers rasp?
How can you measure the draw weight? and do you just thin out the thickness of the limbs to decrease the draw weight? Also, do you just buy exotic/quality wood online for better performance?
MugoiKihaku There are not many woods superior to o osage for bows, Yew has similar qualities but is much harder to work with. Bamboo is probably one of the few materials that rival it, but it typically requires laminating multiple layers to get comparable draw weights.
Amazing
Want to make a bow. Hope this helps me.
Hi,
What kind of tree is used in this video?
Regards
What have you used for bow string?