Answering some Language Learning Questions (Hopefully)

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  • @sigalius
    @sigalius 5 лет назад +40

    I'd say if you focus on something like 90% comprehensibility, then you'll be dragging yourself behind. You could achieve more if you just let go and not try to pick apart everything you hear.
    Acquisition is always unconscious, so you can't possibly force it or even plan it to happen aside from the plan of actively exposing yourself to the language a lot.

    • @daysandwords
      @daysandwords  5 лет назад +15

      Absolutely. I think it's like running:
      You want to do some running where you just run for time. Just keep going, as long as you can (what they call "long runs"). These are slow and steady. That is like immersive listening in which you don't understand all that much.
      But every now and then you do intense sessions, where you focus on speed. That is like deep listening where you try to pick up everything and even look things up that you don't understand. The aim is to gradually bring the two closer together, that is, to gradually get to the stage where you can run for hours at the "intense speed"... But by then your intense speed will increase. If you do 90% of the immersive listening and 10% intense listening, you will eventually get to a stage where even immersive listening is essentially fully comprehensible to you.

    • @run2fire
      @run2fire 4 года назад +4

      Days of French 'n' Swedish As a former marathoner, I comprehend what you are saying!

    • @callaghankin_comedy
      @callaghankin_comedy 3 года назад +1

      @@daysandwords This is absolutely correct Lamont. I am Strength and Conditioning coach and when you relate this into long runs and high speed runs this is spot on. If i was to delve into my sport and exercise knowledge as an equivalent I would say long steady-state runs are very sustainable as they don't raise your heart rate so high. Thus they can be 90% of the total volume of work you can do in a week because they are submaximal. Speed runs/sprints aren't sustainable hence why they are short bursts and rapidly increase your heart rate so it is better to do them 10% of the time. But from my background I can say both have an impact on each other and ultimately increase athletic potential. So I would assume if you did intense listening like you would do a long run it would be ineffective and cause overtraining or in this case burn-out and visa versa. Brillaint analogy there Lamont, cheers.

  • @TheYoungFilmmaker
    @TheYoungFilmmaker 5 лет назад +6

    Awesome stuff here Lamont; thanks for streaming. I'll definitely try to be around for the next one :)

  • @alexandram2486
    @alexandram2486 4 года назад +9

    As someone who has learned english as a second language and is currently almost exclusively thinking in it, I recommend reading a lot in your target language. That way (at least that's how it was for me) you're actively thinking of the words in that language, and after a while (depending on how much you read) you'll just start thinking in that language in your day to day life

    • @daysandwords
      @daysandwords  4 года назад +6

      Yeah, this is my logic behind trying to learn a tonne of French words in one month. I'm trying to accelerate through the part where I can't quite understand what I'm reading so that I can start reading for like 2-3 hours a day. So far it's working really well. Stuff that was barely comprehensible to me a month ago makes decent sense, and stuff that made some sense already is starting to feel almost like English. Great suggestion thank you.

  • @AnnVincentVila-fd4nj
    @AnnVincentVila-fd4nj 11 месяцев назад

    Thank you for being so honest about language learning!😊

  • @novikane14
    @novikane14 4 года назад +5

    Pertaining to why Matt has quite Anki. Saying he quit Anki because the reps got too big is only part of the story. He ended up changing the role of the SRS. Basically the SRS is supposed to be a means to an end. You use the SRS until the interval (when the card will be shown to you again) gets large enough to were you can then maintain it by regular immersion. So the SRS is kinda of handing the responsibility of remembering the word from Anki to your everyday immersion. That is why he created a Retirement add-on. which once the interval gets to a certain length (like a year plus it you can adjust it as well) it gets deleted. Because as long as you encounter that word once a year will remember it. Which should be easy enough. This also means not every card needs the same length interval before you can let immersion do its job. For example, if you made a card for the word "to eat" you probably need the interval to be a couple days between reps before you can retire it because you will constantly see that word in immersion. As opposed to the word" to bestow" which you might encounter that word once every 6 months or so. Thus you would need a higher interval before retiring that card and letting your immersion deal with it.

  • @lozenwarmsprings9390
    @lozenwarmsprings9390 4 года назад +1

    Thanks for your videos btw! They’ve been really helpful

  • @Arctagon
    @Arctagon 4 года назад +9

    I'd like to clarify something that was said by a viewer (Sam Hashi) during the stream. Alas, my comment turned out a fair bit longer than expected (I never learn…), so I've included a TL;DR at the end.
    I'm not sure if the people in question were Norwegian or not, but if they were, I don't think they (or at least most of them; some people are just arses) intend to come off as passive aggressive, let alone hostile, when telling them you are learning Norwegian. It's true that learning Norwegian isn't very useful - and I'd go so far as to say almost useless - if you don't plan on living in Norway, or you have some other personal connection to the country, because the Norwegian diaspora is virtually non-existent, meaning Norway is pretty much the only place you will have use for it, and even there, you can just as easily get by with English, as the standard for English in Norway, as a place where it is not an official language, is one of the highest in the world. Because of these reasons, coupled with the fact that Norwegian is a relatively unpopular language to learn, it's no wonder that Norwegians will be surprised if someone tells them they are learning their language, me included, and most of us just want to make sure you understand that. But, if you're already aware of these things, and your motive for learning Norwegian is not as a tool for communication, but for personal interest, then there is no way to go but forward. I think most Norwegians feel honoured when they hear of someone learning their language. I know I am.
    (If the people mentioned in the viewer's comment were not Norwegian, I still think most of them have the same thought process. I at least hope so. If not, you know, just fuck 'em.)
    TL;DR: Most Norwegians are just surprised to learn that somebody would go out of their way to learn their language, especially considering it's fairly useless as a tool for communication outside Norway, but deep down we're honoured if you truly want to learn the language.

  • @VishalSharma-mj2lv
    @VishalSharma-mj2lv 4 года назад +13

    Buddy u deserve more subs, 100 times more,and more
    God bless u 🙌🙌🙌 brother
    Thanks a lot
    Keep।up the।good work

  • @languageprogressthroughinp7912
    @languageprogressthroughinp7912 3 года назад +2

    Yeah, I was just a bit bored too and picked up Italian, but I didn't feel strong enough in German so I dropped Italian, then a year after that I picked up Italian again and in a month the same thing happened. I just know I want to work on my German until I reach a really satisfiable level, which is not B1 as it turns out. I guess I am nothing like Steve Kaufmann, who just deeps his feet in the language and is fine, I lean more towards Matt vs Japan's view. At least to become comfortable with Netflix and most RUclips stuff, which I feel I am somewhere halfway through.

  • @diariosdelextranjero
    @diariosdelextranjero 5 лет назад +6

    I've reached C1 with Spanish. I still know that I don't speak Spanish as well as I speak English.
    I'm thinking of reading articles in English and translating them at the same time and recording myself doing the same.

    • @daysandwords
      @daysandwords  5 лет назад +2

      It's great that you want to go even further.

  • @sigalius
    @sigalius 4 года назад +2

    What drew you in to the languages that you study? Is there anything particular about French / Swedish (language or culture) that you found personally appealing?
    For example, a lot of people study a language to connect with their relatives or heritage, and I (for instance) enjoy learning all the languages around the Mediterranean because I'm drawn to the culture and laid-back attitudes.
    Also, many people study a language because they need to for their line of work, but I find that a bit of a disappointing reason.
    I suppose it's arguable that a language like French is appealing for a lover of language learning if for no other reason than that it is very accessible having so many resources available to the learner, and the internet has more content available in French than even Chinese, Italian, or Arabic .

    • @daysandwords
      @daysandwords  4 года назад +1

      Hey Sigalius - this is actually kinda complicated, and fairly unusual (at least as far as 'mainstream' reasons go) so I am going to do a quick video about this. Thanks.

  • @DoingEvil01
    @DoingEvil01 5 лет назад

    I enjoyed this Q&A - good idea to do this once in awhile I think. I missed this live, not sure what time of day it ran, but since NSW is about 16 hrs ahead of me I'm guessing I couldn't have attended. I've been watching your videos for 6 months or so now and the advice and tips are excellent. If only I'd caught your channel a month before I wasted $200 on Rosetta Stone-French! :( But Busuu, Lingvist, and Frenchpod101 are REALLY working for me. Once I get close to A2 (maybe about May), I will definitely use your italki link so I can work on listening (this is the hard part for me!).

    • @daysandwords
      @daysandwords  4 года назад +1

      Hey - sorry for the slow response.
      Yeah it was at 23:00 so it would have been at 7am, which is why I did it so late... Some Australians are still up, Europe is definitely up and some Americans are already up.
      Yeah, I also wasted money on various things... in the grand scheme of things, $200 isn't that much, but yes it is annoying.
      You can start listening before you use iTalki! Start watching French shows and movies (especially ones that you have already watched) without subtitles. Matt vs Japan would say that you should do more of this than anything else, basically.

  • @laciruela7772
    @laciruela7772 4 года назад +3

    Should i watch tv shows with the subtitles of the target language or no subtitles at all?

    • @daysandwords
      @daysandwords  4 года назад +2

      That's up to you really. I prefer no subtitles at all because the subtitles are often not what the characters are actually saying so I just find it more confusing. But if you like subtitles in the target language, I think that's also fine. But always be ready to "tolerate ambiguity" as Matt Bonder puts it, that is, be happy to not understand everything. If you're understanding everything because of subs then turn them off.

    • @laciruela7772
      @laciruela7772 4 года назад +1

      @@daysandwords thanks

  • @heathersaxton8118
    @heathersaxton8118 3 года назад +1

    I swear sometimes when he switches back to English after speaking Swedish, for like a second he has a subtle Swedish accent in how he pronounces the words in English

    • @daysandwords
      @daysandwords  3 года назад +3

      Oh I do totally, and it's more so now than in this video. I don't even try to change back from a Swedish accent now because it will happen in a sentence or two anyway, and it's better just to leave it. In my "Swedes are annoying" video I said "have the time of your life!" but in a Swedish accent, and it wasn't deliberate.

  • @lolozo214
    @lolozo214 4 года назад +1

    (Haven't seen the whole video at this point but) Just a thought on the comprehensibility thing - you don't have to actively look for the comprehensible stuff. Even if for example 40% of the vocabulary is known, there will be sections that will be 90% anyway. Even if the vocabulary isn't 90% comprehensible, the actual content and context might be.

    • @daysandwords
      @daysandwords  4 года назад +1

      I am only ever talking about meaning when I give percentages. If I say 100% then I mean you can understand exactly what they mean, I don't mean every word. So when I say 40%, that's pretty low.

  • @williambudd2850
    @williambudd2850 3 года назад

    The major language learning theories are spaced repetition learning and language acquisition. Why not a combination language program such as spaced repetition reading ?

    • @daysandwords
      @daysandwords  3 года назад

      You're a bit mixed up about what the major LL theories are.
      Most people who advocate for language acquisition actually say that with the AID of spaced repetition. No one says that spaced repetition is the main factor in their technique.

  • @benia1908
    @benia1908 4 года назад

    I wanted to know your opinion on Krashen and MIA approach

    • @daysandwords
      @daysandwords  4 года назад +1

      Wanted... past tense? Or like, you were wondering?
      I have an interview with Matt which probably helps with that.

    • @rosiebowers1671
      @rosiebowers1671 4 года назад

      @@daysandwords , it's a phrase I use too (English is my second language); is it not correct? I've heard it here and there as an indirect way to ask a question, an equivalent to "I was wondering" ell.stackexchange.com/questions/182951/using-i-wanted-to-know-i-was-wondering-instead-of-i-want-to-know-i-am-wond

  • @maniravandi5983
    @maniravandi5983 4 года назад

    How many new words a day should we learn?

  • @FloraAshley
    @FloraAshley 3 года назад +2

    Duolingo helped me develop a habit of daily Swedish lessons. I enjoyed the conversations with the mods whom I thought were very good. I finished the tree over a year ago and learned the grammar basics and a ton of vocabulary. No you'll never get fluent using it, but it gave me the bare bones and I felt great at the end of the tree so it gave me confidence. I have watched Swedish tv series on MhZ Choice, Acorn and Netflix as well as SVT via a VPN for many years prior to starting the Duo course. Fell in love with Nordic languages (Finnish us beautiful) . On Duo it definitely depends on which language you choose though. The Greek one is dreadful. But I credit Duolingo a lot for helping me get confidence and get a basic underpinning of Swedish. I have committed to myself to learning Swedish every day till I die (I'm older) until I'm fairly fluent. I'd love to be perfect but that's doubtful.. I watched Felix Lättman's free "Swedish in 6 days" video on Udemy from a few years ago. So I thank you Duo for helping me get started. I am now going to read the first Harry Potter book in Swedish on my Kindle. It was only $1.99 on bookbub. I can't afford to pay much for anything as I don't have enough for meds and food each month. I have the English version but haven't read it yet. So with audio as well I hope this will help me improve. I am purely on input right now and I talk to myself in Swedish bit search for sentences on my translator online when I am not sure. I also love Icelandic btw. Love Australia and NZ and wish I could visit again, but that's very unlikely, due to ill health. Your Swedish sounds pretty good. I've only been learning for 1.5 years so far. Onwards! Tack så mycket!

  • @ReeseCpeaces
    @ReeseCpeaces 5 лет назад +4

    I'm upset I missed this live.

    • @daysandwords
      @daysandwords  5 лет назад +3

      Hey - don't worry, I plan to do them fortnightly on average (maybe even more often if I can) but this one was meant to be just me checking how it worked and everything. I didn't expect so many people to show up.
      For the next one's I need to get the mic working because the sound is terrible. Cheers Reese.

    • @sandwichbreath0
      @sandwichbreath0 5 лет назад +1

      @@daysandwords I might be imagining it, but I think the audio was clearer while it was live. I can hear what you mean in the playback now, but maybe that's happened after RUclips archived it, ie. maybe it wasn't the mic, maybe there's a settings menu somewhere for how RUclips compresses video/audio at the end of a stream. I could also be talking nonsense, as I joined the stream late and was running a fever!

    • @daysandwords
      @daysandwords  5 лет назад +1

      @@sandwichbreath0 Thank you, you could be right. Regardless, the webcam mic isn't really up to my standards and sounds rubbish so I'll only do this again once I figure out how to make RUclips recognise my dedicated mic. Cheers for your theory, I think you're probably right!

  • @nettieparish
    @nettieparish 4 года назад +2

    This was really interesting, thanks! Can we expect any more live streams soon? (I know you are offline for February)

  • @danielbelmir0
    @danielbelmir0 4 года назад

    The reason I don't like translation is that it's not perfect. When you speak another language, you completely change the way you think. And when you get to a level you start understanding more and more, I don't think it's good to translate things. Instead of translating every expression, every sentence of your native language to the target language, you can just learn new stuff in the target language. And the technique I used for English is to complete abolish translations, so I could build a vocabulary that I didn't know how to translate to Portuguese. I noticed that by doing that I completely avoided making several mistakes Portuguese speakers make when they speak English. A fun example is asking for 2 balls of ice cream, instead of 2 scoops of ice cream, because that makes sense in Portuguese. Also, being too attached to translations make you say odd things, like cutting the grass instead of mowing the lawn, it's an easy thing to learn by watching American movies because they like lawns, and someone has to mow lawn, and you can learn about it without translating anything. And of course, translations are really efficient when you are a beginner, I use translations for German and Finnish, but I'm feeling that I've reached a level I could try to learn German in German to avoid translations, but it's still kinda hard, so I will keep using duolingo and translations until I'm ready to stop using them. But I assume I'm a little bit obsessed about sounding natural in English, it's kinda hard to improve it when people can already understand you, even when you sound bad. Maybe translations are good when you want to learn a language, but they are bad when you want to perfect a language.

    • @daysandwords
      @daysandwords  4 года назад +2

      Yep. I've never said otherwise.
      They are basically 100% necessary when you START the language.

  • @Klemmsteckverbindung
    @Klemmsteckverbindung 4 года назад

    i would like to use busuu, but i'm trying to learn norwegian and they don't have it :(

    • @daysandwords
      @daysandwords  4 года назад +1

      Yeah I know. I am slowly putting together a bunch of videos on how to learn Scandinavian languages, but because they'll be so long and in depth, they'll be on patreon or some kind of platform like that.

  • @zarkarkas
    @zarkarkas 4 года назад

    The question is: why of all the languages did you pick Swedish? 🤔 In any case , good luck with your learning! I have so many languages I would like to learn and it's hard to stick with studying only one (or two) at the time :D

    • @daysandwords
      @daysandwords  4 года назад +2

      Yeah, I will do a video about "why", probably in Swedish, in maybe two or three weeks.

  • @angerventing2694
    @angerventing2694 3 года назад

    I can confirm that the different personalities in different languages isn't a thing. I am not very successful with women and put some hopes into these other languages giving me an edge when it comes to picking up women, but guess what, with no success! The same insecurities show in all the languages I speak, so no, that's really not a thing.

  • @samljer
    @samljer 4 года назад +1

    I love busuu, but i find the lessons should be longer with more variety.
    It teaches you a a few words over 5 minutes, then moves it to flash cards; it could be more effective but its better then 95% of the other shit out there.

    • @daysandwords
      @daysandwords  4 года назад +1

      Yeah you are probably right. I go super intense into them though. Like I take 50 minutes to do one lesson, looking up different ways the word can be used etc.

  • @Whatsjonosaying
    @Whatsjonosaying 4 года назад

    Whats the name of the RUclips who makes good RUclips videos? Eric wen?

    • @daysandwords
      @daysandwords  4 года назад +2

      Yep, Eric Wen. I'm hoping to get him on this channel soon because he's pretty consistently stuck at Spanish for quite some time. He is "small" in that he only has 3000 subs but I feel like it's the best channel for deciding how to actually do RUclips properly.

  • @justnoticing
    @justnoticing 4 года назад

    Hi, a fellow Aussie here, although I'm a senior. I just heard you comment about having set your RUclips language to French and not being able to change it. Did you realise that you can have multiple free RUclips accounts. I have one for Italian and one for English, mainly so that the algorithm will pick up my interest in Italian content or English content and not distract me by suggesting English videos when I am trying to focus on language study. I'm not sure this will work if you are creating videos but if you haven't done this already, press the 'switch account' button and check it out.

    • @daysandwords
      @daysandwords  4 года назад +1

      Hi - thanks for that.
      Yep I did know that and I've actually recommended it in a video. Of course I've now figured out how to change the language too - but that actually doesn't change the language of your interface. Changing your interface language is not attached to your account, rather to your device. So I have 4 RUclips accounts - this channel, my second channel, a Swedish watching one and a French watching one (which I don't use because I don't study French ATM) but no matter which one I'm in, everything in or outside the studio is in Swedish because it knows my browser and it remembers that profile. On my phone it's in English, again, no matter the account.
      Thanks for the tip though - it is a good one. I put it in my 12 Free Language Apps video.

    • @justnoticing
      @justnoticing 4 года назад

      @@daysandwords No worries, I thought you would know. Perhaps it will help someone else. I did it ages ago but had forgotten about it (it happens a lot at my age) and only recently started using the Italian channel again.

  • @artarkgaming5997
    @artarkgaming5997 5 лет назад +2

    This is hilarious, it’s been months and you haven’t reached 3k. I guess you’re bias after all.

    • @daysandwords
      @daysandwords  5 лет назад +5

      Yet you are still here, and still with your sub 100 subs.
      You are like that teenage girlfriend who can't leave the boyfriend that she says she hates.
      P.S. It's "biased". Bias is a noun. Pretty sure I told you that last time but I guess you've been busy growing your subscriber count by... 9 people in the last month.

    • @daysandwords
      @daysandwords  4 года назад +2

      @@lornadice7809 Haters are all the same. "I can't do better than this but I can pretend that my comment is valid anyway."