Ditching S&S IGNITION For STOCK OEM Ignition On My 1994 HARLEY Davidson Heritage SOFTAIL Nostalgia
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- Опубликовано: 28 янв 2021
- Yep. Ditching my S&S single fire ignition system and replacing it with a stock oem dual fire ignition on my 1994 Harley Davidson Heritage Softail Nostalgia. A year and a half ago when I first got this bike, I bought an entire stock oem ignition from ebay (ecu, timing sensor, coil, plug wires) after I discovered that the motorcycle had an aftermarket ignition system installed in it. I kept the stock ignition as a spare, because I've never had much faith in aftermarket ignitions as far as longevity. Well... The time has come where I've started to have problems with the bike cutting off and on during rides. After finding absolutely nothing wrong with the fuel system, that left only one other culprit.
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I love that moment when working on something, and you surprise yourself when it works.
There aren't enough words to describe how great that feels!
That’s me, everytime.
Yep same here
You just saved me from buying that exact S&S ignition. Long live the EVO.
Congrats , stop with the doubt in your abilities .The Big Guy is walking with you ! God helps them , that helps themselves !!! Latest instalment a success .
I like that you include the learning curves.
Just trying to keep it real
When I built everything to go fast, high performance was the way to go. After 42 years on HD's, I just want dependability. Leave speed to the youngsters. You want moonshine or 15 year aged liquor?
100%
I’d rather a 10,000 km journey with good memories, rather than ten 1,000 km journeys with problems.
How is more power EVER a bad thing? True you do have to maintain it more... But more power is more fun!
Saddle Tramp...
The difference between long life and short life is location of the module...heat will kill any brand of ignition module located in the nose cone (note exhaust header location) quicker than one located beneath the seat....the single fire vs.dual fire argument boils down to preference...I have a Daytona twin tech in my 99 heritage classic set up for single fire....my 73 Superglide has the Dyna dual fire set up for kick start I installed it in 2011...I held out from going electronic with my Shovel based on what I was hearing about how unreliable they were...well that might have been the case at one point in time.... what I found was the availability of good points and condensers was becoming a problem especially after Napa auto parts left town...so off to Truett & Osborn for an electronic ignition system....been good to go ever since....
I agree
you want dependability then read what fails on the new harleys at 5k miles and at 7k miles and you would be shocked to find out harley is getting worst... just watch Kevin Baxter on you tube video Master Tech on Harleys and see all the junk Harleys there selling to us and the junk parts there installing in these wonderful brand new Harley now,,, and they want a ton of money for the new Harleys and selling junk parts in them,,, so sad that i got to repair these UNDEPENDABILITY HARLEYS sad i got to spend so much time doing repair on a new Harley,,,
Dude, I have a 93 FLHS, I get that happy every time “Old Blue” starts.
I'll take an old bike you can fix yourself over one that requires a computer programmer to work on it
I hear ya! Been saying that for years. I got 4 Evos! My fav is 1998 elect glide standard with tour pac and road glide seat. I can fix it enough to get home always!!!
@@johnnyreb8030 ditto here, THATS ALL ILL EVER OWN! Give me a carbureted bike and throttle cables and im good. 1984-1999 for me.
Every OEM part I have ever taken off that is still functional, goes into my "old parts box" just in case..... This is a perfect example of why OEM parts can be better than the NEW AND IMPROVED parts.
How much did they change it's mostly so old fits right on side of road I ratterhave points easy get runing
Man it’s a great feeling to get things done . I guess I’m getting old and love to keep things simple . If you’re into all the upgrades that’s fine too . I just like being able to keep my bikes running good and putting some miles down on road trips with my Sweetheart on the back and feeling confident I’m not going to be broke down on the side of the road a long ways from home . .
Right on
Most backyard mechanics never mention when they screw up. You publish a video and laugh at yourself. Love your self deprecating sense of humor. Then you squeeze in an opportunity for a little riding footage. When you’re on one of your bikes you’re like a kid with a new toy! Keep on being yourself.
That mule walks up like "I can tell you exactly what you're doing wrong."
I know... Right? lol
Victory smells glorious
No one has ever touched my bike...best thing to do is watch videos when unsure that way when out on the road if anything would happen you know how to do it...glad you figured it out...
12 years ago I put the S&S setup on my 98 Softtail Custom and it lasted 3 years then did the same thing. A riding buddy had the Ultima system and decided not to use it. He sold it to me for less than he paid. I've been running that for ten years set on single fire with no issues. Guess not everything from S&S is top notch. Thanks for another good video.
I've come to the conclusion over the years that everything man makes breaks. Just give it time.
OEM is the way to go.
Nice job!!! I doubt I would have tackled it without a book.
Corey
Your reaction was awesome and I'm glad that you got it fixed 😊
very cool, this is exactly what I need to do next, mine is acting up as well, good thing i have still have the OEM on my 94' heritage so just need to replace the ignition sensor in the cone.
Great video I'm still running same points in my 57 FLH from 20 +yrs ago. I've seen quite a few of my ROAD DOGS change over to electronic ignition on these old scoots nothing but PROBLEMS.
It is simy great if one is able to fix issues like these himself.
I really like that. That gives u a great feeling of satisfaction.
Well done, Corey, great 👍👍.
Looking 4ward to your next vids.
Ganz liebe Grüße aus Österreich, christoph
4 stock sets burned in the first 6months on my new 88 heritage, always in the middle of nowhere. I went to points. Never had another isuue
Right on brother!
You're the man.
Do you have to set dwell on points of Harley? I am a dumby at motorcycles I am just learning so please don't judge my question to harshly.
@@Sailor_Man_Musicits done by take the timing plug out of the crankcase on the left side. Two marks on the flywheel. U have a line and dot . rotate the engine counter clockwise . until the dot is in the center of the hole. Right after front intake valve closes. Time it off the front cylinder the dot should be 34 degrees bftdc. Advance the points cam all the way to the right. Points barely start to open on the small lobe . tighten all done
Thank you
ordenairy old fashion points working very well and are easy to replace, even on the road side
Nice piece of work, brother!! Always a good feeling when efforts pay off!
The original OEM ignition of my 81 Sturgis is lost in time, at the moment it has points but these cannot be adjust to give correct timing. This winter I am putting a Dynatek in, but I'll make a little parts kit to carry on the bike so that I can switch back to points on the side of the road. I am an electronics engineer with microprocessor and power electronics experience, if the Dynatek gives me problems I will build my own ignition system from scratch.
I ran a Dynatek Dyna S on my 96 Evo for several years without problem, and currently have a93 Evo with Harley Screaming Eagle ignition.....also no problems.......of course, this could change, what with Mr Murphy hanging in the background.... :) Oh...if the Screaming Eagle dies, I will go back to a Dyna S....they are simple and easy to install.
@@TheWolfsnack I’m in the process of deciding if that’s what I’ll do, cheers mate
Compufire . Is the best ,
11:32 on the video the horse comes over for a look brilliant.
Thanks for the input on OEM equipment. I have a 94 Sportster that I thought about changing the coil for a higher performance one but it runs great so I nixed that after your video. Thanks for the info.
Glad I could help
Another great video I always enjoy how you take the attitude that you can do it no matter what it is. The bike is running and sounding great. Ride Safe
Thanks 👍
Editing has come along way,, 👍 you learn something new every day, redoing electrics,, awesome and running smooth as silk,
I'm going through the same shit at the moment,, with my evo 97 going back to a cv carb from s&s and oem Ecu from fireball Hi4E, so we'll see how that goes 👍👍cheers Jake UK - - Devon
Been watching from Australia for some time now. I have a 1988 Heritage softail that was cutting out on me too. After swapping my ignition from a oem to an aftermarket unit. Turned out it was the regulator/rectifier. Since then no problem running a compufire system. Keep doing your great videos.
Did it have a short or just not charging? I've ridden a long way with mine disconnected and just running off battery power and the ignition has run fine without charging system . They don't use as much power as people think.
Good deal! Glad that worked out for you!! That would definitely suck to have your ride cutting in and out like that while riding down the road. Be good and be safe!!
Great video I notice the light in your old shop is much brighter since you removed the roof and walls . The look on your face when that bike fired up PRICELESS !
Lol... Yeah really. What an improvement. Right? Thanks Kevin.
I've had the forerunner to that S&S ignition (CRANE HI-4) on my '84 FXST since 1998. Knock on wood, it's still going strong!
I bought that bike, used, from the original dealer, in 1988. The motor and drive train was stock: Keihin butterfly carb; header pipes with cross-over and restrictive mufflers; and stock ignition (the shiny stuff was installed by the previous owner). Over the years, I've had many different exhaust pipes on her (my favorite was the 2.25" Samson drag pipes) - but I currently have the Paughco 1.75" 'Shotgun' drag pipes because they 'just work' with the Baker 6into4 kicker tranny that I installed 4 years ago. S&S Super G carb and intake, that replaced the Keihin carb and OEM intake manifold. Lastly the Crane HI-4 ignition, that replaced a Dyna-2000, that replaced the OEM ignition.
Between the S&S Super G, the HI-4 ignition, and the free flowing pipes, it starts a HELL of a lot easier than it did stock! My HI-4 has 2 trim pots (rev-limiter and rear-cylinder timing) and 2 DIP switches (kicker/electric start and VOES/high-compression). With the DIP switch set for kicker; normally, 2 twists of the throttle, roll her over, and she's lit!
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In this video:
(You can see the Crane HI-4 in action.)
1st start in over a year.
LAST year: I set out to replace the starter clutch; old rusty lifter-blocks, and dash-plate. I had it half done, when work got in the way...
THIS year: New starter clutch; new Wood Performance W6 cam (I was in there anyway); S&S reed style breather valve; S&S 'natural' lifter-blocks, and Drag Specialties dash plate.
(The reason she spins over so fast: I installed an All Balls high-torque starter motor, in place of the OEM Hitachi motor, when I put the Baker in and I power it all with a Shorai Lithium battery.)
That puddle of oil under the breather-filter isn't a problem! When I got her out on the road, she didn't leak a drop of oil!
Unfortunately (for me); timing, and carb jetting need some attention!
That was great it worked out. God is good
Yes indeed!
Great job! I have the stock setup on my 94 FXR... Just replaced the V.O.E.S. today.
my 1997 electroglide my keyswitch died. I had to remove it and connect the wires on a toggle switch for half my trip out east haha
LOL 11:21 The Horse in the background was like what the?!
Right? Lol
When it just dies and stays dead it is usually a transistor or capacitor that has died or croaked because of thermal runaway. When it dies when it gets heat soaked and then starts again when it gets cold it is usually a coil that has a break in the fine wire (it reconnects when it cools down).
Gotcha. Haven't had any issues since.
thats whats mine is doing, intermittently dies, then starts right up, so what coil? are you referring to? the igntion sensor had the light brown insullation melt off so im replacing that whole sensor inside the cone.
I am happy you got it repaired!
Thanks for the video! My 88 FXSTC would shut off when it got warmed up. My coil tested out at 3 Ohms.. so that was good.. voltage regulator is good,, cleaned all connections to the coil etc: The cam sensor plate was never taken off so I drilled the rivets off and the cam sensor was melted. I cant wait to order a new one tomorrow. Glad you showed that you have to feed the wires through then push them into the new plug! Man.. I hope I have the same results as you. Nice bike - Happy Riding. 👍
Glad it helped
Congrats
You're a champ dude. Thanks for the great video.
Another great video, thanks Saddle Tramp!
I was just as excited as you were the moment your bike started up! Great video! Love your work!
You and me both
I really enjoyed this vid and when you fired her up the second time and she fired I was yelling a punching the air as well. Thanks for the video man. Looking forward to the next one. Cheers and Happy Trails
My 96in S&S has a Crane Hi 4 installed! Along with a Thunder header! Love it!
Good job! I like the fly by the seat of your pants approach ! Great video ! Keep it up
After you ride that stock setup for awhile and get used to it, do yourself a favor and install a Dyna 2000i (in the nose cone) with the Dyna coil and run it single fire. I think you will be impressed. I did that many years ago on my 1995 FLSTC and I have had no problems with reliability and I have no desire to go back to stock. The 2000i has "real ignitions curves" and works well with the VOES to retard under load (while still giving you a "real ignition curve". I've experienced great performance and reliability. I believe the new ones are also programmable. If anyone has had reliability issues with the Dyna 2000i maybe they can comment.
My S&S single fire failed after about a year. Running Dyna 2K now, so far so good.
Glad to see you back working on bikes! Good job on the ignition! My father in law has a 1995 Heritage that has a intermittent issue where it will shut off and I am thinking it is the same as yours. I will talk to him about replacing this as well.
If he still has the vacuum petcock tell him to replace it with a non-vacuum one.
The ethanol that they put in the gas nowadays eats up the rubber diaphragm.
The bike will act like it is out gas and quit running with gas still in the tank.
The same with a CV carb. It will eat up the diaphragm that controls the slide.
Brother this is why I mesh with you i appreciate your channel your willingness to jump in and get er done God bless and greetings from Oregon
Thank you, David
I used to use Accel ignitions, but had nothing but problems. I switched to Ultima because I need a quick cheap solution. Never had a problem with them, they are relatively inexpensive, and offer a system with both single fire and duel fire. I'm running one on my '95 Fatboy and my '75 Ironhead
Same here that’s what I run in shovel and it is better than the S&s
The old original crane ignitions were great dependable performance upgrade option. Running them on a iron head , shovel, and evo. Then s&s bought them. Now they suck
@@mikebrown1741 got a crane H4 on my 95 nostalgia been on there 20 years. 60000 miles. I've also ran Champion plugs 25000 MI.
As always GREAT video and thanks for the information. I really appreciate oem ignition stuff as well.
Thanks for watching!
With Everything that you and your wife been through, your Always Positive...!!! Keep it up 👌🏽👌🏽👌🏽🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
I try to be. Thanks
Well done brother 🙌 How exciting it is to complete a fix with a success 💪🔥😎
It really is.
Thanks for the video...I needed some motivation...been troubleshooting my 94 evo softail and now thinking that it's ignition(spark). Just rebuilt the carb 🤙👍
Any time you are unsure if its the carb or the ignition ..try choke it as its giving you problems .. if it starts running better ..or gets worse it at least partly in the carb or fuel divery .. .. sime way to get a direction to start ..
Thanks for sharing.
Information is power.
You bet!
Excellent video SaddleTramp 💯👍🏼
Thanks for the visit, bro
Love it. Hopefully it cured that shut down problem. 👍
It did. No more cutting in and out.
Wel done had the same problems with screaming eagle ignition,put also oem back,runs wel now 84fxr evo.grt from the netherlands
I'm with you. OEM all the way!
That excited look when it fired! Awesome!
Very!
Excellent content.
Every aftermarket ignition ive had has shit itself eventually due to heat in the cone cover,even the original pickups from harley. It gets hot in there and the insulation breaks down and melts out . A lot of times you can feel the sticky shit at the cable entry point in the cover. At least the harley pickups are fairly cheap compared to the rest the aftermarket stuff and normally the ignition box is still in working order afterwards. Crane,dyna,spyke,s&s all had heat breakdown problems. I now run a standard pickup and a screaming beagle box and no problems after 9yrs,in a '88 evo fxr. Best of luck with the changeover, you won't regret it for reliability. Cheers from an aussie.
Keep up the good work Tramp. I love your videos God bless.😎
I appreciate it, Brett
I use points in condenser on my bike Every Napa store has them, Easy to get easy to replace I have had no problems
Right on, John.
Nice work!!
Thanks for the visit
Great show ..
Had very similar troubles with my OEM H-D ignition plus hard starting problems which sucked since I have a '77 Shovel 4-speed kick-only transmission. Couldn't afford a good magneto setup, so put on a Compu-Fire ignition designed for high compression Evo kickers and both problems cleared up, plus eliminated the brain box and some wiring. Been working sweet for 14 plus years.
Good deal, man.
Job well done bro!
Good job buddy!!! I was rooting for you.
You rock
awesome job, Saddle Tramp!! cool video, bro.
Thanks for coming by, XL. Good to see you're still here.
My 88 heritage has the screaming eagle ignition system. Feels like it's not advancing.... exploring the idea of putting points and condenser in it.
great job sounds good
Thanks!
That's great man! Glad it worked out for you.
Yeah me too. I really had my doubts the first time I tried to start it.
Everytime i see that bike i fall in love with it
A man. I like your videos,watching you work on your bikes is relaxing ,I love trial and error vids
Thanks, Manuel. Glad you can dig them.
Great job and Another great video 👍👍🇨🇱
Thanks 👍
Good job dude! 👊😎 I hate electrical issues.
Congrats!
At least the horse looks concerned. Good horse.
Lol
Another success story , well done bud !
Yes it was!
Way to go man you really know your stuff with Bikes ⚠️👍👍 That's really a nice Bike sounds good ! 👍👍👍.. Can't wait for spring here in Iowa ! So I can go for a ride on my ( 75) Sportster Ironhead ⚠️👍 it's really cold out there right now here in Iowa. Thanks for the great videos man stay safe!😷👍( Keep rubber side down⚠️)
A lot of EVO riders boast about the benefits of aftermarket ignitions. I have always stuck with the factory ignition due to its dependability, simplicity and I have multiple spare timing modules that I got for nothing.
Even the horse was on tenterhooks for that fire up! Great job man, love your videos 🙏🏻
Thanks 👍
OEM works for a good reason. Be careful with aftermarket stuff. Congratulations
Yes they do
Check for melted wire may be grounding go
Nice job. Confidence is key!!
Absolutely
I had total confidence in you, have a blessed week my friend.
Thanks. You too. :)
Had a Crane on my Road King for performance goals ....failed !!! Went back to stock. 250000 miles plus still going strong !!!
Good stuff
I’ve had good luck with the Dyna 2000 that I put in my 95 softail custom 26 years ago.
If you watch Pacific Mike he does this to all his Harley's he puts two spark plugs......
they have the ignition mounted on the side instead of the top and it don't get the correct combustion
Enjoyed have a good weekend
Same to you
Nice job
Hey Tramp, I learned a couple cool things here today. One of which is Dude that sold you the EVO was a forward thinking dude.👍👏🇺🇸
Actually, we swapped bike for bike. I gave him my 2012 Heritage for this 94 Heritage.
Thank you 👍😎
Sure thing!
Awesome!
Good Job!
Thanks!
Enjoy you videos, I love the look of surprise
Thank you 🤗
Hey succes congratulations, enjoy driving it again👍😀
That's the plan!
Very nice 👍