Why the UN is Intervening in Haiti
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Amidst an ongoing crisis and rampant gang violence, the UN Security Council has authorised the deployment of international forces to Haiti on PM Ariel Henry's request. So in this video, we'll explain the situation and why this could prove controversial.
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As a Kenyan I think it is quite farcical that a police service with such a bad reputation for corruption and extra judicial executions should be forwarded as the face of this latest expedition to 'solve' the Haiti securty problem.
I assume Kenya is a black face being placed over mostly American muscle.
Because they represent all of Earth's nations and yes even yours so ctrituqe of them is a critique of all and if they don't provide support who will? Like why is it right for Haitian's to suffer?
Don't be so pessimistic. I think you'll do well
I'm Kenyan too and these are the same guys who will say Africa needs to unite and chant pan African slogans yet when push comes to shove you don't want to do anything....
Gangs will probably pay them to look the other way
It’s sad how bad Haiti is doing compared to the Dominican Republic
It’s like night and day. The difference is almost as great as NK and SK
@@bababababababa6124tho South Korea now has huge issues too like demographics
@@gothicgolem2947even with those demographic issues and population decline, SK is still heaven compared to NK
they were not embargoed
@@estelasantos1917 Why is it that a system allegedly meant to promote self-reliance (within the state) and hostile to other systems (functional western capitalism) also only fails because of those evil capitalist nations not wanting to trade with them? Why is it never the fault of the failed Cuban government?
Whenever I hear “Haiti” and “international intervention” my first thoughts are just “havent we seen this movie before and doesn’t it end badly?”
Haiti won’t progress either on its own or with international support anyway it’s an absolute lost cause it needs quarantining
yes but it has at least a chance to improve the situation, doing nothing and letting the gangs rule certainly wont help. A shitty situation eihter way.
@@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986 But first, let's quarantine ourselves from you.
I was about to say "says the dude with the afghan flag" wtf oops 😂
@@captainsaveahoe976 Afghanistan is doing a damn sight better now than they have been in what? A century? No invading forces and self rule. Is the Taliban ideal? No. But they're better than an occupying force or the UN.
The US recently asked Canada to lead a military intervention in Haiti, but Canada refused. It looks like the Canadian gov't will be assisting the current UN mission, but no Canadian troops on the ground there.
As a Canadian, our military suck hard, be we do accept a lot haitian refugee, especially if they are educated and speak french
Canada should help because Canada is a rich country.
@@cashewnuttel9054 But Canada's economy isn't doing very well😅
Don’t blame them
That’s not a reason
I really want this to work. Haiti has been screwed over so often in her history, both by external powers and by her own governments. Her people deserve better.
Also do not forget the earth quakes and hurricanes in recent years.
@@DeWellstein Yeah. Screwed over by nature too...
It won't. It never has.
People joke about hating the French a lot on the internet, but if you knew what they did in Haiti and the fact that they demanded Haitians repay out the nose to France for their own independence and escape from slavery, you would really hate France.
The haitian people deserve exactly what they have. They were the only successful slave revolt to create a modern country. They haitian people have been in control over their own country for far longer than most other countries who have become far more successful, including their only neighbour.
You gotta wonder what the UN promised Kenya for them to jump on this grenade.
I think you meant "promised the President"
It's not the UN. The USA is paying Kenya and is paying for the whole thing.
@@ellokor5269 🤬 that guy
@@ngashjr wonder who elected those clowns
I'm SO glad the DR is staying out of this mess, the international community like to point fingers but dominicans know a fair cause from a lost one.
A lost cause? Are you for fucking real? We're talking about 11 MILLION people here. That's 11 million lives and livelihoods at stake. Throwing them aside as a "lost cause" is disgusting.
Let's hope Dominicans are wrong on this one..
@@dyawrDominicans have two hundred years of experience with Haiti as a neighbour there’s a reason they don’t want anything to do with it because nothing good ever comes from there
Based
@@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986Sounds like the Dominicans are scared to solve their problems.
Giving up has not gotten anyone anywhere.
The best solution would be to stop the chaos not live with it.
"Can the UN save Haiti" on thumbnail (
@@Isolierter_Hazim Check the video thumbnail ;)
A small correction. The most recent peacekeeping force in Haiti was led by Brazil, then governed by left-wing president Lula. Some of the generals there would eventually hold influential positions in Brazilian politics during Bolsonaro's far-right government. Which is to say, MINUSTAH had lasting consequences for both Brazil and Haiti.
Not just hold influential positions, plenty of evidence has surfaced showing they were literally involved in coup planning prior to Jan 8th. This includes audio of Gen Augusto Heleno (who was also convicted in 2013 for authorizing illegal grants). The 1964-1984 CIA-backed right-wing dictatorship really screwed up out military. This is the same dude that threatened the Supreme Court by tweeting from the official Brazilian Army account.
As a Brazilian I can confirm this👍🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
The intervention was a huge mistake in the long run. Gave the military clout they absolutely didnt deserve. My city was supposed to have its airport reformed 3 years ago but the government gave the job to the military and they were so utterly incompetent with the design, the new government had to intervene and are going to give it back to a private company. Cant believe tax money go to these plump fools
For those who want to dig deeper into Haiti's history, Mr. Beat has a great video comparing the differences and similarities of Hispañola's two countries.
mr beat has amazing content
Mr beat is terrible
@@gustavusadolphus4344 Why?
I prefer Mr. Beast.
@@CarlMarxPunkwassup guys, today I'm going to be giving Hispañola to whoever can stay in this room the longest 🤑
Johnny Harris is not as much of a draw as yall at Nebula think he is. He is the poster child for everything wrong with content creators
Yes!! 👏
Johnny is fine when it comes to light fun topics like his stuff on internet cables or olive oil
Johnny Harris is objector one of the worst essayist RUclipsrs. Has has white savior complex, lies, has a extremist political ideology of neo pro corporation liberalism that most liberal would find disturbing, and oh he gets half of random thing he says is wrong. Most statistics he says he literally just made up.
But damn he has some good editors.
Haiti is just a failed country. I've spent 2 years as a NGO doctor and the hatian society is deeply broken. Sexism, procuring, using women as slaves, gangs everywhere, extreme poverty, corruption at all levels, rapists abusing even children no matter the sex... I can count with one hand the number of nights in which I didn't hear a gun. I came back to my country deeply traumatized and with the feeling that there's no solution to that level of anarchy and violence.
Europe is going to have a taste of what Americans already know about them.
Alt view. The US will never allow Haiti to develop. US special forces have been in Haiti for over a month now. Barbecue is the only leader protecting the people from the gangs - so he will be the primary US target. It's well known that the Clinton neocon clique hate Haiti & want to keep it down as a very low wage economy useful for US corporations. Neo-colonialism.
@@BillyraycyrusIII?
I’m sure you made things worse, you know what they say about the road to hell and all that
@@BillyraycyrusIIIif by Americans,you mean United States of snakes they’ve caused this in the first place
Haiti is basically the African nation within Western Hemisphere. If you look at Niger, Mali, Burkina Faso, Chad and Central African Republic, you won’t see much difference.
Tragically for Haiti, it is located in a continent where Spanish and English speakers are more dominant. Plus their invasion of Dominican Republic ensured a great hatred against Haiti in the Hispanophone nations.
Nobody seems to know that Haiti invaded DR and discriminated non-black Hispanics there... After losing it they invaded 3 times...
Haiti is not located in a continent
I know its getting worse in Haiti when more boats are washing up to shores here in Jamaica with more people than ever. Just the other day 30+ people were crammed onto one small boat that could only hold about 10.
I just hope that this can be resolved peacefully and that no dragged out conflicts begin
It won’t be peaceful they need to go to war with the gangs it’s he only way they won’t give up their power
too late...
I hate to say it but it’s unlikely
@@estelasantos1917 It really is... They have not had peace for years now.
Will be resolved once the terrorist United satans of America has plundered enough of Haiti’s natural recourses
I'm so glad you guys have finally talked about Haiti!!
I'm glad they spent most of the video outlining how Western imperial powers have spent over 200 years taking turns ruining the place. A lot of folks love to dismiss it as just another broken country, and while there's no doubting that it's broken, the conditions of its brokenness are heartbreaking and, at times, downright evil.
This issue would be easily fixed if they changed their name from Hatey to Lovey
Are you a professional comedian
@@hoze1235 if you send me some money then I technically am
@@hoze1235I was a professional comedian for years and I unfortunately found this very funny
That's it, rebranding is the ticket.
Yes, Haiti is too hateful, Loivi is a better name
haiti needs someone to hold it accountable. i would say the u.s. but we already know how that would go. When Haiti gets its government back in control, the only realistic option to rebuild the country might be conscription. If the youth were mobilized in construction, and were given an education, within 6 years there could be substantial change. However it would likely turn into a military dictatorship but I imagine it would still be better than the current system
They don't have a military. It was disbanded by Duvalier
@@Lando-kx6soit was reintroduced in 2017.
@@Lando-kx6so It was not disbanded by Duvalier. Get your facts before commenting.
Conscription into construction battalions might help the labor end of reconstruction, but there’s still material and capital costs. Those will cost money, lots of it. Haiti is already the poorest state in the Western Hemisphere: how are they going to raise that kind of cash?
@@davidblair9877 realistically they're not. realistically the good things we want for haiti will likely not happen in the near future. but to entertain the argument id say the only possible way is by them balancing funding from various superpowers / regional powers to try and build up while keeping autonomy.
3:00 has a lil edit error, just fyi, good vid regardless
2:55
Can the UN save-? is almost always a no.
Yet for some reason that doesn't stop them from asking for help, it's kind of "dammed if we do, dammed if we don't" type situation.
Haiti is already the poorest country in the western hemisphere, rife with corruption, organized crime, and murder in the streets. I don't think there is much that would make it worse than it already is. Might as well give it the old college try.
They were successful in a lot of places. People just focus on the failures
@@gyurhanaziz7676 Like where?
@@JWonn UN Peacekeepers from Nepal reintroduced cholera to Haiti. They made things worse.
You have mentioned how haiti has been invaded trough time, but you shound also tell how they invaded the dominican republic each time they could
No one cares about Haiti/DR nonsense.
Lol how did you get invaded when Haitians freed the whole island from the Europeans who enslaved all of us
It was Dominicans in 1809 who kicked out the remaining French troops in the east, it was also Dominicans who defeated 14 times in the Haitians, and it was Dominicans who kicked out the Spanish in 1865. So much for liberating the island by Haitians, a people that cannot even help itself.
@@sonnymartinez3051 lol no it was not true. How did Haitians invade you when the Spaniards was still there
@@victorlebon4502 Spain was busy with someone called Napoleón
The last time UN had intervene they just come and watch Hotel Rwanda in live show.
Glad that kenya and jaimica is able send help, hope more african and Caribbean countries also sebd help
But those people are civilization destroyers look at rodhesia
what do Jamaicans have to do with Rhodesia?
@@mcboat3467 What does Kenya have to do with Rhodesia?
@@mcboat3467”those people” you couldn’t have been more r@cist if you tried 😂😂😂
@@mcboat3467Civilization what now? 🤨
It's easy to criticize the UN but the truth is that Haiti does need help and there are no quick and easy solutions here. I'm glad someone is doing something and I hope some sense of relative peace and order can be restored.
Such a tragic history 😢
The UN couldn't even save the UN
This is a tough situation, as an American, I feel for the people in Haiti, and feel like we have some obligation as the local great power to do something, but given our history with intervention in the Americas, and Haiti in particular, i feel like the only thing we can do is play a supporting role. Anything more will likely only make the situation worse, as I can see the Haitians being more trusting of even the local gangs than any American forces.
They killed the white French and wanted their own country. Let them have it and show us the utopia that blacks can create
You are correct on that one. the Haitians overwhelmingly would prefer a Chinese intervention.
@@alexskatit4188even the Chinese are too smart to make that mistake. The Dominicans were far poorer then the Haitians and the Haitians was a fascist regime that invaded the Dominicans several times. This is karma, Haitians have nothing but themselves to blame, the Dominicans have been through worse and came out on top, if I was Chinese I would work with the Dominicans over Haitians.
The world helps them, they become civilized, after the world leaves them, they go back to becoming uncivilized.
America is not doing its neighbor any favour
Considering the history of haiti good luck for the UN to do. They wont amount to much
You should wish good luck to the real perpetrator, the US. this is not a UN mission.
you know you are fucked when KENYA is coming to save you..
If Haitians will not be willing to cooperate then it's a waste of time sending forces
Most average Haitians are pro intervention, those hostile to it are largely made up of elites
It's for their own betterment...or something like that
That's the core of the issue. Still, there are people willing to excuse any miss deeds of haitian rulling class and blame everyone else.
The UN forces are there for the wealthy foreigners who live on the island safe from the mess and to keep Henry in power.
Thumbnail: "Can the UN Save NATO"
Answer: "No, next."
I am skeptical that this could work and if it does, it'll probably take decades.
Haiti needs to join BRICS
One of the poorest places on earth is Somiland, the reincarnation of British Somiland, but despite its poverty it’s actually incredibly stable and democratic. Poverty doesn’t mean failed, The key is good institutions free of corruption.
They literally broke away from the rest of their failing country to not go down with the ship, and are located in the part of Somalia that isn't basically wasteland. There's a sht culture that becomes endemic to places that fail and there's no real fixing that in today's world with modern solutions. In the past, those places would be conquered or wiped out enough that a change in culture is forced for those that survive. Every nation that exists today with some semblance of functionality went through those growing pains at some point, including the African countries that have and are pulling themselves together. Plus, Somaliland is a bad example because they're more like the Dominican Republic in this context. The Haitians who want to split from their own country can't even do that much because there's nowhere to go. Their population will keep increasing and things will continue to get worse even than the hell on earth it has become now. All the interventions in the world can't fix something that's broken so deeply. Foreign powers have played their part in screwing over Haiti as a nation, but the people who rose to power there did a significant amount of the damage too. The only thing that could honestly give Haiti a shot is for them to become a colony of a nation that will have to do a bunch of questionable things to clean up that mess, stuff like what's being done in El Salvador. Maybe there's an African nation willing to adopt them.
Haiti's gang violence is particularly dangerous for several reasons:
1. High levels of gun availability: Haiti has one of the highest rates of firearm ownership in the Western Hemisphere. This abundance of firearms leads to an escalation of violence during gang conflicts.
2. Weak rule of law: Haiti has a weak and corrupt law enforcement system, which allows gangs to operate with relative impunity. This lack of effective governance creates a breeding ground for violence, as gangs can engage in criminal activities without fear of punishment.
3. Political instability: Haiti has experienced frequent political and economic crises, leading to instability and weak government control. This creates an environment in which gangs can thrive and expand their influence.
4. Poverty and social inequality: Haiti is one of the poorest countries in the Western Hemisphere, with significant social inequality. Severe poverty and limited access to basic services push many individuals towards gang involvement as a means of survival. This creates a large pool of vulnerable individuals who are easily recruited into gangs.
5. Drug trafficking: Haiti is a significant transit point for drug trafficking between South America and the United States. The profits generated from this illicit trade contribute to the growth of gangs and their increasing level of violence.
6. Extortion and kidnapping: Gangs in Haiti often engage in extortion and kidnapping for ransom to finance their activities. These criminal acts not only cause direct harm to individuals but also create a climate of fear and insecurity within communities.
7. Limited social support and opportunities: The lack of educational and employment opportunities in Haiti exacerbates the appeal of gang involvement for many young people. The absence of viable alternatives increases the likelihood of individuals resorting to violence and criminal activities.
Overall, the combination of factors such as weak rule of law, political instability, poverty, and limited opportunities contribute to the high level of danger associated with gang violence in Haiti.
Sounds like every poor, big city neighborhood in North America.
@deathsentence-bk9gnwhat about trinidad old chum?
@@k.umquat8604 stupidity joke
ChatGPT
Just leave them alone. No need to help give money or send people in for peacekeeping. So much intervention without good result.
If you have doubts look at all the countries they have been deployed in ie congo amongst others
The unsc is getting involved? Hope master chief can sort this.
I hope the deport Spartan Locke there instead.
They could also install a UN Mandate.
Seeing how past international efforts failed, for various reasons, I think a more science based approach to helping Haiti stabilise itself is needed. This means selecting a small, town or two, to have a functioning local government that is protected by UN peacekeepers. The UN peacekeepers must have real teeth to defend the test towns. When the towns show their viabilty, local Hatians should recognise that progress is being made and demand it be expanded nationwide.
Who selects this government?
The problem is that they will only recognize it as a foreign ocupation or colonization
@@dejannincic9671 The problem is that it is foreign occupation and colonization. What happens when you start developing localities? People move, and the burgeoning population puts strain on that locality, and then you're just back to square one. If you keep people out, you will create resentment between the people you've uplifted and those you've kept downtrodden. You will have developed, but you are actually worsening the contradictions within that society.
Unequal development, where developed countries trade with undeveloped countries, creates unhealthy relationships for both countries where both become dependent and poorer in terms of living standard because of their relationship. There is no solution except independent national solutions; self-suffficiency, no matter the cost. Unfortunately there capitalism cannot see the forest for the trees. Likewise, socialism is unlikely to be a catch-all remedy or even succesful there.
Curse colonialism for creating these dysfunctional societies and relationships. We, Europeans, should not have put so many people (at the time, slaves) on such a small island, in such a short amount of time, for such a narrow-minded purpose (growing sugar)! Sadly, history will remain bloody and unfair for this century, no matter how we as individuals fight for a better world.
There already is one slightly functional area in Haiti called Pétionville that is better than the rest of the country and is where anybody who can will move to live there (if they don’t just emigrate) but it’s still where the last president got assassinated because that’s Haiti for you even the best place is lethal
Damn, I had a plan to march into Haiti with a private army and become president
Haiti has had just about the worst luck in modern history. First it was enslaved and the ground was made completely infertile from overuse, then it had to pay a crippling debt which it didn’t even owe to the French, then it was basically robbed for 50 years by a family of insane cultists, then just when it was starting to see some progress, one of the most catastrophic earthquakes of all time hits it. Just horrible. But hopefully they can keep coming back to the table. The persistence of this tiny nation is incredible and admirable.
the never once tried to save them self why should we save them form them self ?
That will be some task to do deal with.
One of the major problems have always been that one of it's very large neighbors have supported a person who was friendly with them, but was bad for the country.
Don't be coy, name the northern bully. USA
Upon indepence, Haiti invaded the DR and occupied them for a while, until the DR liberated themselves from haitian oppression
its
I like how you glossed over the genocide of the French in Haiti.
I bet if the French did a fraction of that, you'd make special video just on that.
What the matter, violent POCs are not a part of your narrative? a threat to your liberal world view?
I think the massacre of the remaing white population after indepedence played a big role in isolating Haiti. It interesting that is rarely brought up.
this is exactly the modus operandi i feared they'd come up with
kenya being involved is good, but neighbours should be kept out, instead countries like Poland (which has good historical ties to haiti) and other countries that have and had no colonies or direct interests in the region should be directly involved,
USA looked for volunteers for this mission at the UN, after all the obvious choices refused to get into haiti again, kenya stepped up to get some "easy" diplomatic clout. ironically the foreign minister was fired for this.
I hope the plan suceeds, but if it fails it will be interesting to see how it gets blamed on America somehow.
Already happening in the comments here.
Guaranteed to be US-backlash on any result. It’s amusing (and depressing) that even though France had the colonial footprint the US being a) nearer b) larger c) wealthier means it’s somehow a failure of leadership from the states when Haiti struggles
More interesting to see however, is that after overthrowing democracies for decades, the US still gets support on foreign policy. I think that’s much more harmful to the world.
@@TheZackofSpadesPerhaps because the US was highly involved in the 2004 coup d’etat? (Just a suggestion ofcourse).
@@utilitymonster8267 The existence of Bigfoot has more solid footing in reality than 'USA causes all Haiti's troubles'
Given their track record I really don't think so.
Hospital ships of the coast.
El Salvador style prisons.
Grassroots clean water solutions.
Wow I don’t know even know what to say like that just unlucky to the unstable government and then major earthquakes in sequences is brutal
Here’s an idea, let’s mind our own business.
Haiti is in a catastrophical situation. Isn't there a way the UN not only sends its army but also forms a government itself to invest in the country? Like investing in earthquake-proof buildings for instance. Invsest in the infrastructure and therefore create jobs for the Haitians. I know this sounds utopian but ftlog the previous two decades have shown the UN must take more drastic action rather than restore order, put in some politician and return a decade later.
They could. They don't want to.
Who'd be part of this government?
Or you know just leave it alone
@@baha3alshamari152 yeah, just repeatedly fuck up a country and then when that country ends up fucked up blame it on them and walk away
Yes, that’s called colonialism lol
When people tell me that wounds from an ethnic or cultural conflict such as the impact of slavery in America or former colonies of Europe have all healed because blah blah blah amount of time has passed I'm outwardly contemptuous of them. Haiti is a prime example for demonstrating how a historic lack of national agency and intergenerational poverty lead to the unraveling of society.
There are many other nations in the world who had no independence and most of their pop was uneducated, poor peasants. Also partly in bondage, like the serfdom that was the norm for a long time. So that's.. prob most nations of the world, actually. Everybody is to some extent in this boat, but the results & state of affairs today still vary greatly.
I don't think this is the case, as pretty much every former colonial country in Latin America, the Caribbean or hell even most parts of the world if we go back far enough have managed to form functioning societies. Haiti is well and truly damned and there is nothing any force on Earth can do to change it.
@@dyawrno doubt colonialism caused serious problems and am not defending things like genocide. But there's a point where Haiti is responsible for its own problems.and cant use historical events as an excuse to treat it's people badly
It's like a thirty year old with shitty parents blaming them for their failed career because of something they did when they were 12. There are a lot of colonised.countries, including those who have faced natural disasters, that have managed to get their shit together.
@@MsJubjubbird I agree, it doesn't just boil down to that.
Contempt seems to be mutual. Well, generally every country has some nasty past, just most cope well enough not to need excuse "blame what foreigners did a century ago". Also lack of good explanations only makes sense within framework of far left taboos. Otherwise one may start discussing why there are some particular populations that fail so often and the role of genetic differences.
Hopefully this is good for Haiti, the DR needs both countries to be successful
DR should only worry about DR and Haiti will worry about Haiti. The only concern of DR should be to close/seal its border and break all relations with Haiti.
@deathsentence-bk9gn but then DR would have keep what remains.
Maybe they should reorganize this police force? Like, reduce the level of corruption? Exchanging evil with slightly lesser evil isnt what I would call a great improvement...
If we be real about things, the current dire state of Haiti is a glaring evidence that 1800s France had just as much affinity to "freedom, equality, and fraternity" as today's Haiti does with a stable system of governance.
To ne extremely fair, 1800's France spent about 30 years in abmore or less democratic system, and that was between 1870 and 1900. The rest was imperial dictature and more or less authoritarian monarchies. There's a reqson as to why we had so many successfull and failed revolutions and popular revolts.
Blame the authoritarian governments who rule instead of lead, who let corrupt leaders and gangs fester as long as they hold power. Every single dictator or authoritarian leader hides nothing for the people they rule because that’s what they want just look at Putin and Xi and Kim.
Continually focusing on the past instead of trying to actually fix things. How’s that working for South Africa? At some point these countries have to have responsibility for their own conditions
@@KMn048 That’s the point SA blame s France and some how thinks Russia cares about them. Holding Russian flags while they currently rape women and steal resources and not for nothing ISiS actually got worse now that France left imagine that nonsense
@@KMn048 Blaming the west instead of fixing problems is how authoritarian propaganda works for the naive. Of course you will have dis function if you assassinate your president and allow gangs to rule with an iron fist. Mail for example still hasn’t held elections since its second coup and the military still hasn’t allowed the government to function but, somehow it’s the wests fault. Despite them gaining power two years ago.
The only ppl who can resolve this issue are the Haitians themselves. Foreign intervention has not worked after several tries.
Very informative
Can't see very much will ever change there.
TLDR's TLDR: blame the French
French have been gone for over 200 years, might as well blame the Mongols.
@@Gamenetreviews Haiti took almost 150 years to pay off the debt. For 150 years, they effectively weren't allowed to build infrastructure or invest in their future.
France should be footing the bill for this mess. They essentially crippled Haiti at the start of its independent history, and while not all of Haiti's current problems are solely France's fault, the lack of money and infrastructure investment had a huge impact on the country's ability to cope with natural disasters or disease outbreaks, so France least scores an assist in basically all of the crises.
@@Gamenetreviewstypical French failing to accept blame. You don’t even know that your people essentially bankrupted Haiti’s economy just because they committed the crime of “declaring independence” 💀
@@Gamenetreviews I blame Wokanda. They got the tech and the didn't do shit!
@@TalisguySo why didnt they recover after those 150 years.
Hati: always in crises 😒
With gangs and other problems in Haiti elections can't be held unfortunately.
Whats with the audio in this? Its worse than the usual well polished product that is tldr. Good episode regardless
The US marines practically lived in Haiti for decades during the early 1900s, and yet the country still hasn't recovered. This "Peacekeeping Force" might find themselves swarmed by the gangs with no backup, and we'll probably see something akin to the Evacuation of Saigon when they have to evacuate those personnel via choppers.
Something like Mogadishu is what I'd expect.
The Gangs are too busy fighting each other so likely won’t put up a United front unlike in Vietnam which was an organized army
I hope so.
@@badart3204 and all it would take is a single gang leader who is able to spread a "unite vs the foreign oppressers" to unite enough of them to do something like that, and it's happened before.
A Mission's success is determined by its Mission Objective. In the case of the US Marine's stationement in Haiti of the 80's, the entire purpose of the US was to domestic Haitian economy and governance stractures to US jurisdiction and so enable Haiti's complete domination by US Commercial interests. That "Mission" was a success. Peace and other Haitian civil interests did not have even peripheral nexus with tit.
This is really shows how important and troubling international recognition is when a country gains independence.
I have to admit, out of any country to take point on this Kenya was not the one I was expecting. What political factors are in play here, or is Kenya genuinely interested in Haiti's well-being?
Haiti would be better served if a random clown college worked to help them than the UN.
Kenya shares a border with somalia but they want to send police to Haiti
Somalia is more stable then Haiti lol
Damn that france payment definitely the reason why haiti like that
Unless the people of Haiti decide to ban together fight the gangs and crime. It will repeat nobody gives up what they give all to obtain.
No, they need to ban together and fight US imperialism and meddling.
@@alexskatit4188 See I don't think Americans should give any funding or anything to them and send back all that came claiming refugee status. My government should do that with all nations honestly.
I feel like I've seen this episode before.
Hate to think how neighbouring Dominican 🇩🇴 Republic is dealing with this on its very doorstep 😥
Haiti 🇭🇹 really is a failed state
With discrimination of course.
Many locals accuse illegals with brining crime and gang culture to their nation, things have gotten to the point where the Dominican government is paying them to leave.
Heck they even built a bigger wall to keep them out
DM can only continue to function by keeping its border closed. If it cannot do that it will import Haitian problems.
A story of Zimbabwe and South Africa
All DR has to do is close/seal its border with Haiti for eternity. But it won't because of its gigantic trade surplus with Haiti.
@@alexskatit4188Haití only contributes %3 exports of the Dominican Republic's entire export.. They'll be fine without Haití but that's not the goal.. The goal is to have certain order in Haiti that can at least have someone authority that DR can talk to and work together.
Both countries can benefit greatly if they work together.. DR is investing in Guyana and Suriname, it can also invest in Haití but there has to be some order and law that protect investors..
Having been involved in the evaluation of UN peacekeeping forces - this is a really bad idea! Oh and the last UN peacekeeping force brought a strain of cholera to the country that killed nearly 10,000 Haitians and put over 900,000 in hospital. An internal investigation by UN medical (public health) staff confirmed the UN was responsible just three weeks after the outbreak. After eight years outgoing Secretary General Ban Ki-moon gave a qualified apology but never quite accepted full culpability; the UN's own internal report was 100% clear - it was the UN's fault. The UN has also dragged its feet in paying any compensation still arguing it was not really their fault....... did I mention the UN's own internal report by their own public health experts were 100% clear, it was the UN peacekeepers who brought the strain of cholera to Haiti and its abysmal camp hygiene let untreated sewage leak into a stream used by locals for drinking water. Still, the Head of Mission, their Chief of Staff and the Director of Mission Support, who was responsible for things like sewage, have all gone on to be promoted to more senior positions elsewhere in the UN.
Wow! It's that bad in Haiti? Well it's about to get much worse.
Why is there no solution but to Haiti's issues ?
We act like the UN can change solely on that if the Haitian people don't change as well they'll always fall back to fail, simple as that.
Poverty is the primary cause of all this, though, and no amount of comfy middle class people moralising at them will fix that. The country was fucked over from the outset by france's demands of an impossible sum of money for truly bullshit reasons, and nobody's actually tried to help them get back on their feet since, the US and France have just been intevening for their own benefit to extract resources whenever they feel like.
Why Kenya thought?
Im kenyan and have no idea what the fuck our government is doing. our country is not in the best position to literally offer help
noney money...the goverment needs dollars they really dont care for anything else
They are the only ones dumb enough to attach themselves to a failed project
No one else want to do this doomed job
Kenya is one the stable African countries, and a fellow black majority country helping will remove doubts of neo colonialism and other criticisms that may arise. Also, if they were able to succeed, Kenya will gain international prestige
I'm not Kenya though lol, just my opinion
Short answer no. Long answer nooooo
America be giving money to everyone but it’s own smh
I’m so frustrated by these videos not being available simultaneously on Nebula. It’s not like it’s a short period difference. When it’s nearly daily videos 4-5 hours is frustratingly late.
It’s fascinating that Hati is in such an abysmal state that not even the U.S feels confident enough to directly intervene.
The U.S, who could honestly take control in a day if it really wanted to, said ‘Nope, not touching that.’
The US has intervened many times before, and it never worked well.
The US even ruled Haiti once.
Kind of like how we took control in Afghanistan so quickly! It'd definitely work out.
Big echo in that room, need some baffles man.
Then for nedley
Lol - no
Remember, the other half of the island is the dom.rep
the embargo...
@@estelasantos1917 It's an arms embargo
I completely support this because if we don’t Haiti might Collapse
This isn't a long term solution. It won't be any different from the US and NATO spending 20 years in Afghanistan propping up corrupt and unstable governments
Might collapse? They assassinated their own president and are being run by criminal gangs. They collapsed a long time ago
Special military operation into Haiti? dirty imperialist
Kenya is a Colonizer.
Looking at the situation, it already did :/
They need to sort themselves out, no intervention can save Haiti
You know what’s funny
Im an américain but I Was in Haiti during the 2021 earthquake but I was in the WESTERN PROVINCE
It was my first earthquake ever and It was like 10-12 seconds, I called my friend in the Dominican Republic To Make sure she was okay and she said « what earthquake »
Then I got on RUclips to see all the damage a 12 seconds earthquake did.
Thats CRAZY
I agree with the with the intervention and expansion of the arms embargo-but there are some things I think are missing
1. The intervention force should be military personnel with lax rules if engagement to curtail the gangs
2. I would've preferred if Francophone nations such as Cameroon, Senegal, and others were involved as there wouldn't be a language barrier.
Lax rules of engagement are dangerous, these gangs are going to blend in with the civilian population and if the rules aren't harsh it would look really bad for the intervention force when there are large amount of civilian casualties. Haitians already have a bad view on past foreign interventions, if they turn against the UN forces due to atrocities it'd be a disaster.
For this you need to win the heart and minds of the civilian population first, a domestic police and security force need to be built since the small UN forces aren't going to be enough.
I feel like based on your comment breakdown that a two part intervention might be best.
I spent 13 total months in Iraq and can attest to just how difficult it can be to switch between goals/mindsets frequently.
One mission in particular we were engaged in two different firefights and we helped a well get dug and we helped clear rubble from a collapsed building that was used as a school so that we could come back later in the week to help set up the foundation for a new school. It's not easy flipping that switch multiple times in a day.
Maybe have one force that goes in to deal with gangs while a different but complimentary force that goes in to stabilize the government and infrastructure
I don’t think a Cameroonian and a Haitian would be able to communicate as easily as you think… I don’t know much about francophone Africa, but if it’s like Spanish speaking south/Central America then there are likely some dialectical variations from “standard” French. I know that Haitian Creole is pretty different from French as well, so I think that would present another barrier. So altogether seems pretty presumptive to say “we should send the other dark French speakers, they’ll actually be able to talk to them”
@coconut7490 The Haitian population needs law and order. Given the power the gangs hold, all must be done to break the will of the gangs and other resistance before creating a civilized society in Haiti.
@@user-my3wr8ts7iyou do know that such actions usually leads to more instability right?
Fun fact: avg. IQ in Haiti is 82.1
Fun fact: that's the result of the history explained in the video, which has lead to underdevelopment economically and politically
I dont think it is that high. Most likely low 70s
@@landonorris6 Heh. I live in Eastern Europe. We've had food rationing and essentially an artificial famine, that removed about 5 IQ points from the average. You gotta do some 'splainin' where the other 15 points went.
@@franckcolomb5579 I can score that much bordering on an alcoholic coma :3
@@landonorris6 "that's the result of the history explained in the video," Really? They did not talk about last 70k years of slightly evolution of our specie.
How did Haiti get to this point... or has Haiti been a cesspool for centuries?
The neighbouring Dominican Republic was a more well-off country even after recognized independence from Imperial Spain.
Worlds apart
Not a word about The Dominican Republic
UN intervention in Haiti isn't a good long term peace solution. In the end Haiti's gangs will rise up once the UN peacekeepers are gone again.
It'll have the same effect it had with the withdrawal from Afghanistan 2 years ago
This sentiment is far more shallow and pseudo-intellectual that it appears.
Most of the Afghans that had the power/guns to stop the Taliban; still revolved their lives around villages/clans.
The Afghans who grew up with the post Taliban freedoms, democracy and the concept 'countryhood'; those with the most to lose -were teens or early 20s when they were abandoned -WTH did you expect them to do?
Poorly executed interventions; don't invalidate interventions, anymore than a crashed planes; invalidates air travel.
I'd just like to add to the above comment that effective interventions just don't make good headlines, and so we all suffer from something akin to survivorship bias. We chide the USA for its failed intervention in Afghanistan but don't recognise its incredible intervention in Japan, for example.
@@LENZ5369 remind me of a well executed intervention then. When has this ever worked out? After the US decimated Iraq with sanctions, left Saddam factually out of control over his own country which was run by black market export gang by that time and then and was then taken over by the US with shit to show for beyond destabilizing the entire region even further? Which was made worse after the idiotic intervention in Libya.
there has never been an intervention by the US led NATO that has resulted in anything but more bad shit all around. And there has never been an intervention by those powers that did not under false pretence actually only ever serve the interests (economic or strategical in a military or diplomatic sense) of the member states. The interventionists have never helped anyone but themselves.
The UN intervention needs to oversee Haiti successfully build it's own domestic security forces back up again before it leaves, if they leaves before doing so it would be a wasted effort since the gangs would likely take over again. That was what happened with Afghanistan, the US thought that the Afghan national army could handle the Taliban once they leaves but obviously they weren't prepared. Gangs are probably easier to deal with than a whole insurgency.
Interventions are hard and the UN certainly doesn't have the best track record, hopefully they learn from their mistakes this time.
@@coconut7490
"Classified assessments by American spy agencies over the summer painted an increasingly grim picture of the prospect of a Taliban takeover of Afghanistan and warned of the rapid collapse of the Afghan military, even as President Biden and his advisers said publicly that was unlikely to happen as quickly, according to current and former American government officials.
By July, many intelligence reports grew more pessimistic, questioning whether any Afghan security forces would muster serious resistance and whether the government could hold on in Kabul, the capital. President Biden said on July 8 that the Afghan government was unlikely to fall and that there would be no chaotic evacuations of Americans similar to the end of the Vietnam War."
New York Times, Aug. 17, 2021
They knew it would collapse; but the war had become unpopular so both Biden and Trump wanted to pull out no matter what.
If there's something we've learnt, is that no organization acts in good faith.
Rule number one of international diplomacy: nobody is ever just being nice. Benevolence basically doesn't exist in international politics.
Least edgiest anarchist:
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You cant help a country that doesnt help itself first. We would waste our money on these people!
If only your leaders would agree to stop meddling in Haiti's affairs.
i like how everything goes back to france
It’s hopeless, that’s their culture, they can’t change
It's their genes.
Haiti, the country that just can’t get right 😢
After the gamer moment in the early 19th century to the mixed population and their colonisation of the Dominican for 20 years until their independence, a second attempt at colonising the Dominicans, which led to a Dominican scorched earth policy inside of haiti as retaliation and having state sanctioned violence agaisnt opposers of the regime for 30 years in the mid 20th century, yeah they have done nothing right in their existence
The day Haiti gets their act together, they'll be hit by an earthquake followed by a couple hurricanes and whatnot.
Haiti....
An chilling and sad example of when things refuse to get better for a variety of reasons
When did the UN save anything?
Go ahead. Throw your money away.