@@SussyImposter9856 so what? it has better thermals than most targeting pods, thats not some shitty thermals like on agm-65D, there you have a quite a lot of zoom and amaazing resolution, what else do you need?
@@boenk3742 I have loadouts that mix in a 38MT just to use the sight for target acquisition. There are things that I prefer laser guided missiles for, but want a thermal to find the target.
@@boenk3742 I don't see how people can possibly make a big deal about russia finally getting thermals at the VERY TOP BR when NATO has had them as standard equipment for their attackers for several generations of attacker. Oftentimes NATO gets it in targetting pods with 360 degrees of view, and yet you cry russian bias when gaijin won't even let russia have their 360 degree thermal pods!??!! Do you cry Bias when the F-117 gets high resolution thermals with autotracker at the outrageously low BR of 10.0? You should be complaining about that if you're no hypocrite.
theres not much to really add anymore, pantsir s1 is the best short range anti air and war thunder just isnt the game for patriot or s400/500, it would require multiple people to be in those equipment and it would be boring to play, just sitting in one spot if you controlling the radar or missiles. just kinda boned to be honest
@@dsg4500 Pantsir and other Anti Air may be awesome but in toptier grb (12.7) they get absolutely annihilated by air to ground missiles. spawn in, look at enemy spawn, lock on anti air, fire and dive down, boom easy kill. There’s really nothing much they can do other than waiting for the missile to hit them, they can try intercepting the missiles but I don’t think the radars can spot the missiles that easily
They should add longer range Air defense like S-125 and something Western thats equivalent and also make ground rb maps bigger like 6km on ground and ofc make air in grb atleast 40 to 50km. It would balance alot.
I want to see what happens when somebody spawns in a regular air RB match takes off and then selects one of the bases as the target point and launches all missiles at it almost immediately after take off (there’s a keybind to select the bomb objectives for ccrp which should also work for these) will it kill the base? Will they make it there? How long will it take? What happens to the missiles if they’re still in the air and you land, reload/repair, and take off before they hit? A single player could destroy every bomb objective with near impunity and bleed the enemy tickets dry.
6 missiles, and at 7km altitude, you can get the base from about 50km. It takes a LONG time for the missiles to hit. A couple of times, I got the "Destroyed" message after I've already landed to load up more missiles. But... it can be done, and is very easy to do, as long as gain enough speed and altitude.
Для уничтожения базы нужно 6 ракет, поражает цель даже если запущены с низкой высоты. Но есть проблема, их видят вражеские радары и считают, что этот самолеты, бывало что часть ракет сбивали aim-120.
How to play SU-34? Once you take off, then go vertical, finally you unleash the glide bombs within the vicinity of your own airfield. Rinse and repeat.
If I'm not wrong I dosen't have the Airbrake cause it have a function that lets u just do Cobra without trying even, On Dev stream they showed this and personally I think this is reason why it dosen't have one.
Its absurd that GPS guided munitions and be launched simultaneously and hit what you launched them at GIVEN they do not move? Play this scenario, go in grnd rb with targets that actually move and see how many kills you get.
Something I can’t get over is the people raging about “Muh PESA”. Russian electronics are actually so backwards/behind to the point that the AN/APG-70 on the F-15 is about as capable to the Pika-M in terms of SAR Resolution. This means the Pika-M has an extremely poor bandwidth
The groms are a lot weaker than they seem. They're Glonass, with emphasis on the ass. literally just moving means they're useless. Even a spaa will probably move enough, especially for super long range shots. My guess is they'll be pretty much only useful for very long range ARB/Sim ground attack. Sim especially, attacking more stationary targets would be pretty useful.
Basically the limitations of any GNSS guided munitions in the game. Although they are op on small maps, since you can send them to a base effectively after takeoff.
@@igoralecu6673 So? Did you even read my comment? Also 20km range seems enough on most maps and having more of them doesn't seem bad but I dunno because I haven't played with AIM120s yet.
@@igoralecu6673 You missed my point. I'm not talking how good it is vs planes with aim120s. I'm talking about how there are planes at 13.0 there aren't even close in capability. Top tier air makes no sense.
What's the difference between laser, TV, and GPS guidance and whats the various pros and cons of each? (I mean I do know what laser is, just not the other 2)
Laser - targets the point you actively point at with a designator. You can sometimes track moving targets automatically, you usually have to fly towards the target. Turning away will cause ammunition to lose target and miss as it is no longer lased. Detectable by laser warning Gps - you select a target location and the bomb/missile will fly there. Cant track moving objects. You can turn away after drop/lqunch Tv - You select a target and the missile itself tracks the target. Can track moving objects. You can turn away after drop/launch
@@VIT-ey8wo Correction to myself lol, the Grom-1 (Actual Grom-E1 no idea why gaijin named it Grom-1 after double checking/cross referencing my sources) are actually nerfed in the same way as the brimstones (in terms of guidance that is)
@@JegSkaSkiido yeah we'll see what missiles it gets in future maybe. If it gets the better R77 versions at same BR as the SU27 where it keeps the same R77, I can genuinely see it being a better aircraft
@@Apex_warthunderThe F15E is also unkillabke buddy, it also has more countermeasures, 4 times more, also a better radar and better missiles, the only thing the su34 has better is the Kh38 lol
Ignore the hype about the groms. They're gimmicks since GPS guidance is only good for engaging static targets. You want kh38 missiles. Probably the IR guided Kh38ts, but you can probably make the kh38mls work, although the laser guided weapons are nowhere near as effective as they are on NATO planes since this plane lacks a 360 degree targetting pod.
@@ichosolemanuel6048 Not more different than an SPAA player having to dodge a Walleye missile slingshotted by F-4E. It also can be launched at any speed and locks on a static point at over 10km.... Literally the same thing, but at 11.0 BR
@@connermiles7425 Grom is GPS, Brimstone would be ARH, the difference is huge, brimstone would be beyond OP, to counter grom you just move like 30 metres
kh 38s on the su 25sm3 is why it got moved up to 12.7 in ground rb, that only had 4 on a not so good airframe, this has 6 on a jet airframe...
I'll be that guy and say both Su-25 and Su-34 are jet airframes :D (I know you meant supersonic but now you know)
Su25 also had thermals
@@eaststarling7805 you can use kh-38 thermals, they are very good, they have even better resolution than most tgp
@@boenk3742 they're only gen 1++
@@boenk3742is that actually true?!!?!? If so that's OP as hell!!
why nobody talks about 6x KH-38MT this thing carries? That thing has gen 3 thermals and amazing zoom on seeker and over mach 2 speed.
It doesn't have any thermals for the targeting pod tho? The only way to use thermals is on the missile seeker itself
@@SussyImposter9856 yep missle has thermals
@@SussyImposter9856 so what? it has better thermals than most targeting pods, thats not some shitty thermals like on agm-65D, there you have a quite a lot of zoom and amaazing resolution, what else do you need?
@@boenk3742 I have loadouts that mix in a 38MT just to use the sight for target acquisition. There are things that I prefer laser guided missiles for, but want a thermal to find the target.
@@boenk3742 I don't see how people can possibly make a big deal about russia finally getting thermals at the VERY TOP BR when NATO has had them as standard equipment for their attackers for several generations of attacker. Oftentimes NATO gets it in targetting pods with 360 degrees of view, and yet you cry russian bias when gaijin won't even let russia have their 360 degree thermal pods!??!! Do you cry Bias when the F-117 gets high resolution thermals with autotracker at the outrageously low BR of 10.0? You should be complaining about that if you're no hypocrite.
At this point Gaijing needs to add b etter and more modern SPAA in game
theres not much to really add anymore, pantsir s1 is the best short range anti air and war thunder just isnt the game for patriot or s400/500, it would require multiple people to be in those equipment and it would be boring to play, just sitting in one spot if you controlling the radar or missiles. just kinda boned to be honest
to Russia of course
@@dsg4500 Pantsir and other Anti Air may be awesome but in toptier grb (12.7) they get absolutely annihilated by air to ground missiles. spawn in, look at enemy spawn, lock on anti air, fire and dive down, boom easy kill. There’s really nothing much they can do other than waiting for the missile to hit them, they can try intercepting the missiles but I don’t think the radars can spot the missiles that easily
@@LiamW1ls0n yep, but my point was in my message, there is no real solution to this
They should add longer range Air defense like S-125 and something Western thats equivalent and also make ground rb maps bigger like 6km on ground and ofc make air in grb atleast 40 to 50km. It would balance alot.
I want to see what happens when somebody spawns in a regular air RB match takes off and then selects one of the bases as the target point and launches all missiles at it almost immediately after take off (there’s a keybind to select the bomb objectives for ccrp which should also work for these) will it kill the base? Will they make it there? How long will it take? What happens to the missiles if they’re still in the air and you land, reload/repair, and take off before they hit?
A single player could destroy every bomb objective with near impunity and bleed the enemy tickets dry.
6 missiles, and at 7km altitude, you can get the base from about 50km. It takes a LONG time for the missiles to hit. A couple of times, I got the "Destroyed" message after I've already landed to load up more missiles. But... it can be done, and is very easy to do, as long as gain enough speed and altitude.
Для уничтожения базы нужно 6 ракет, поражает цель даже если запущены с низкой высоты.
Но есть проблема, их видят вражеские радары и считают, что этот самолеты, бывало что часть ракет сбивали aim-120.
There are a metric ton of aircraft I love to fly, but not in contested airspace. This is one of them.
you can shoot grom 1 even with your back to the target and they will still hit
Just another reason for me to start playing russia again since im researching the su24 and i already have the bvm
How to play SU-34?
Once you take off, then go vertical, finally you unleash the glide bombs within the vicinity of your own airfield. Rinse and repeat.
Same as AV8 plus and F16 that carry 6 AGM 65G.
Pop up fire all rtb and do it again
If I'm not wrong I dosen't have the Airbrake cause it have a function that lets u just do Cobra without trying even, On Dev stream they showed this and personally I think this is reason why it dosen't have one.
That's right, it does not have an airbrake
Skrew the grom 1s , I’m terrified of those 38MTs holy shit
This is why I am staying at 9.0 and below, can’t even move out of spawn when I want to take out my Abrams
Push at start, get 2-3 kills, go into the CAS plane yourself :)
Can't wait to get my hands on this, revenge cas is gonna be so ez and funny now
That radar is meant to be used for ground targeting. Its specifically designed for that.
Its absurd that GPS guided munitions and be launched simultaneously and hit what you launched them at GIVEN they do not move?
Play this scenario, go in grnd rb with targets that actually move and see how many kills you get.
does that mean the JH-7A will finally get its KD88 AGMs
Its not soviet jet
Everyone is so hyped about the Grom-1, in reality they barely will hit a target, the KH38's on a supersonic frame are way way better.
Something I can’t get over is the people raging about “Muh PESA”. Russian electronics are actually so backwards/behind to the point that the AN/APG-70 on the F-15 is about as capable to the Pika-M in terms of SAR Resolution. This means the Pika-M has an extremely poor bandwidth
best rp gtind imagine sniping all bases in realistic with the grom 1
Go watch Hunters video on that. It’s fucking insane
The groms are a lot weaker than they seem. They're Glonass, with emphasis on the ass. literally just moving means they're useless. Even a spaa will probably move enough, especially for super long range shots. My guess is they'll be pretty much only useful for very long range ARB/Sim ground attack. Sim especially, attacking more stationary targets would be pretty useful.
Basically the limitations of any GNSS guided munitions in the game.
Although they are op on small maps, since you can send them to a base effectively after takeoff.
So 8 R77s at 13.3 while I only have 4 dogfights in my JAS39A at 13.0? wtf?
r77s are still the weakest top tier missiles
@@igoralecu6673 So? Did you even read my comment?
Also 20km range seems enough on most maps and having more of them doesn't seem bad but I dunno because I haven't played with AIM120s yet.
@@Juel92 r77s are in no way comparable to other radar missiles, I highly doubt having 8 of them will put the plane out of balance
@@igoralecu6673 You missed my point. I'm not talking how good it is vs planes with aim120s. I'm talking about how there are planes at 13.0 there aren't even close in capability.
Top tier air makes no sense.
@@Juel92What does how many weapons the aircraft can carry have to do with its BR?
What's the difference between laser, TV, and GPS guidance and whats the various pros and cons of each? (I mean I do know what laser is, just not the other 2)
Laser - targets the point you actively point at with a designator. You can sometimes track moving targets automatically, you usually have to fly towards the target. Turning away will cause ammunition to lose target and miss as it is no longer lased. Detectable by laser warning
Gps - you select a target location and the bomb/missile will fly there. Cant track moving objects. You can turn away after drop/lqunch
Tv - You select a target and the missile itself tracks the target. Can track moving objects. You can turn away after drop/launch
This jet does what i do with the su 25 the best
He calls it absurd someone tell him the Su-34 carries Kh47M instead of the Grom, he will explode. The Grom was only added for balance.
True these groms are not rly usefull, some ir guided missle that you cann fire from 10km away is the way. and in this case with a better platform
@@domkirk4408 actually it does, you can easily research this.
It also isn't the Grom-E1 either, that thing would be straight up broken, independent radar, saved coordinates you name them
@@mangosuppe8706 yep.
People who want the brimstones dont realise that the monster which is the Grom-E1 could appear as well.
@@VIT-ey8wo Correction to myself lol, the Grom-1 (Actual Grom-E1 no idea why gaijin named it Grom-1 after double checking/cross referencing my sources) are actually nerfed in the same way as the brimstones (in terms of guidance that is)
Is that 6 R27ETs???
Why shouldn't it exist? WT has always been an Aircraft game first.
I would have rather they gave thermals and no Groms but I still think the Groms are cool.
This plane has a radar that can detect moving vehicles?
Yes and it's a PESA radar, way faster scans than regular radars.
Strike aircraft in the bomber line 🤔 why not under su 25
Su-27SM's radar is so terrible that this attacker might actually be better at BVR combat than it.
Because Su-27SM doesn’t have the MiG-29SMT radar it has the 9.13 radar I’m pretty sure
@@sovetskyskaiyastrigon1750the SMT radar still isn't that good. This jet has a PESA radar, making it arguably the best air radar in the game
@@Denkmaldrubernacht All the Su-34 is missing is a HMD, which is a big advantage. But for BVR it is miles ahead of the competition.
@@JegSkaSkiido yeah we'll see what missiles it gets in future maybe. If it gets the better R77 versions at same BR as the SU27 where it keeps the same R77, I can genuinely see it being a better aircraft
@@DenkmaldrubernachtSMT also had a PESA radar I believe
balanced nerf the tornado but give the russians again a op cas plane where no spaa can touch it great Fu gaijin
Sy-34 is worse than the F-15E, try again :D
@@P3S4R The f15 E is good at cas while the Su34 is unkillable if played right
facts
@@Apex_warthunderThe F15E is also unkillabke buddy, it also has more countermeasures, 4 times more, also a better radar and better missiles, the only thing the su34 has better is the Kh38 lol
@@P3S4R You’re literally just lying right now
How where you able to select it because all my progress isn't there on the DEV server?
What CAS loadout would I take?
6 kh 38 mls and air to air
@@darthstalinus3842 bet
Ignore the hype about the groms. They're gimmicks since GPS guidance is only good for engaging static targets. You want kh38 missiles. Probably the IR guided Kh38ts, but you can probably make the kh38mls work, although the laser guided weapons are nowhere near as effective as they are on NATO planes since this plane lacks a 360 degree targetting pod.
This thing is in service just for 20 years
F-16C Block 50 and MiG-29SMT are in service for 18 years...
@@vaclavkolar6750 yea, exactly...
how do i play the su34? do i have to grind the russian tech tree first or is there another way to play it
Doesn’t the Su-34 actually have a HMD?
Hunter, could you check the generation of the Kh38MT thermals on the su34
This is tankensteins vid?
@@eaststarling7805 Nah mate,
A good number of you play Russia for the op vehicles.
I play Russia so I don't have to deal with said insane vehicles...
We are not the same
Facts
Facts
Except everything Russian air gets nerfed so hard when being implemented into the game. It's fuckin' sad.
@@102ndsmirnov7secretly nerfed lol. While America and Britain are just downright told “You can’t have that”
Same, but USA because they are the ones with the actually OP vehicles.
Best part is some of the weapons on the su34 are under preforming because of engine limitations, hope it gets fixed or buffed to compensate 😊
Which ones to be exactly?
The R-77 is obvious.
Haters. You just hate that you can't sit at base in a SPAA all game anymore, don't you?
spaa players when they literally have to drive around the entire map to not get killed by a mach 2 120km range russian cruise missile:
@@ichosolemanuel6048only that its gps so it wont track
@@ichosolemanuel6048 Not more different than an SPAA player having to dodge a Walleye missile slingshotted by F-4E. It also can be launched at any speed and locks on a static point at over 10km.... Literally the same thing, but at 11.0 BR
we already couldn’t because of your stupid f-16c…
@@harryshuman9637 "Russian bias" morons don't realise that.
How i get GE in dev ??
Grom translates to thunder ⛈️
From means thunder btw
brimstone got nerfed but grom gets the pass. Righto Gaijin
@@connermiles7425 Grom is GPS, Brimstone would be ARH, the difference is huge, brimstone would be beyond OP, to counter grom you just move like 30 metres
@@P3S4R that's too much brain power, ain't gonna do dat.
@@kochiyoshi understandable have a great day
It's not the Grom-E1 you're safe
This thing should be 13.7 air not 13.3 when its arguable better than the j11a which is 13.7
"the roll rate isn't terrible" bro trying to roll flying mach 1.1
it looks like a duck
Adding 6 x-38mt for su34 it’s bullshit, terrible game just for scam people
A-10 will always be the king of CAS
Su34 is better fym?
King of death by pantsir
Delusional
???
Whatever floats your boat
A10 is way too slow