So this is just the inital patch notes for Marksmanship Hunters for patch 11.1. I will do another video when PTR is up to showcase more the talents and the new visuals that comes with the overhaul. Looking forward to see how the eagle interact. There is a talent in the talent tree that I have not written about in the video, but it wasn't in the patch notes so not sure what to think of it. The talent is like this anyway: No Scope - Rapid Fire grants Precise Shots.
Yeah, agree! They say we might be able to customize it, but might isn't enough, it needs to be done imo. Both which pet and colors/variants you can do.
To me, Beast Mastery and Survival Hunters were similar with BM's being ranged Pet Owners and Survival being Melee Pet Owners. Marksmanship Hunters were in a weird middle ground. I am glad that Blizzard is forming a new take on MM Hunters. IT will be interesting to see what they come up with in the next major patch.
Still holding my judgement on this, I was very against it the first hours but then I got thinking about the visual aspect of it all, it might be cool visually. Though I wish they could just give BL to Lone Wolf and them give it a rest. Lots of changes going into TWW, then a sudden change in philosophy. I guess I am afraid of what they can mess up as I really, really love how Marksmanship plays. But, it can be great too!
Still holding my judgement, but this was really surprising. I think blizzard got bigger issues with Lone Wolf and the whole pet gameplay than the player base. Marksmanship has been all about being the Lone wolf for so many years, its hard to go away from that suddenly, fantasy-wise.
Yeah, I like it how it is myself, though add BL to Lone Wolf. A bit strange they had so many tweaks in patch 11.0.5 then change it completely. I was shocked seeing the news.
Your choices are: zoo keeper, rogue with a pet, or RNG "not a pet". BM should be melee, like Rexxar. SV, ranged pet class with tricks. MM, petless ranged.
Yeah, it was fine enough. Add BL to Lone Wolf(just add an eagle to Lone Wolf that gives BL then flies away) Blizzard seems to have great issues with talents that gives flat damage boost, and the choice is on Blizzard, not players. Dont have BL connected to pets and leave Lone Wolf to be an iconic thing for Marksman. Lone Wolf is the sole reason for this change. They don't like it.
I met very few MM hunter in raid and dungeon recently and it might probably be because the spec is underperforming. Glad to understand that spec will be underperforming even more in 11.1 :D Lonewolf (5% dmg increase) gone sounds like a nerf to me. Careful aim (50% dmg increase for mobs above 70% health) gone, sounds huge nerf to me Aimed shot cast time increased to 3 seconds , another heavy nerf. Just start casting, go get a coffe while you wait the cast to finish and other 4 party members to finish the dungeon in the meantime :D Well, they buffed a bit the overall output dmg of aimed shot, but I am pretty sure it would not be enough. About eagle, would that be a 'virtual' pet you don't see and don't hear or would they add some cool visual and audio effect ? That's a great question, right ? Knowing blizzard probably we will see a chicken falling from the sky like a pigeon 5h1t :D And what about an "emergency pet" to help keep aggro on an elite-mob I would like to solo, since the MM class/spec is already a glass cannon (and may be not even a cannon ?). Not a chance, right, blizzard ? Then you gonna read blizzards thoughts on hunter changes, /quote ... that Aimed Shot was the star of the show. Aimed Shot is the core of Marksmanship-- a long channel, lightning fast projectile, and it hits like a truck /unquote Yeah, like a truck. They really expect me to believe this ? I play other classes too and my mage 584 has spells which crits double the aimed shot crit of my 623 MM hunter does. My god ! So sad !
@@markwild8281 that long castingspeed argument of yours is only valide if u hard cast it and dont play around your rotation. Both arcane shot and rapid fire give u a, i think two times, stackable buff that reduces aimed shots cast time...
@Keztraz you know better than me that m+ and raid mechanics forces you quite often to move , to avoid visiting the graveyard😏. Lets say you start casting after 1 second you are forced to move. You lose 1sec dps. There is a reason I meet way more BM hunters everywhere😏
@@markwild8281 Wow, that same thing is true for every caster out there. U still see those played and stuff... As I was saying, if u hard press aimed shot it sucks. But u proc precise shots left and right... Consuming a precise shot, aswell as using explosive shot and rapid fire give u one of a max of 2 stacks of Streamline. Autoattack, kill shot procs and aimed shots generate precise shot. U will stack haste and mastery, and your set bonus will give u free explo shots, and should in turn give u a stack of precise shot... How can u say that aim shot has a horrible cast time is it, after the rework, has, idealy, about an 1 to 1 and a half sec cast time?
@@Keztraz writing here is one thing. Going on PTR realm and try it out on training dummy with details addon , comparing dp with live realm, is totally a different thing. Just give it a try and you will see the dps loss, which will be even more in raid or dungeon. Already rerolled BM and dev evoker. But go on with MM, you will have fun for sure :D
Yeah, now and then, though I tend to find lust in someone else if I make my own party. But of around 50 m+ I have probably used lust like 10 times of those runs.
So this is just the inital patch notes for Marksmanship Hunters for patch 11.1. I will do another video when PTR is up to showcase more the talents and the new visuals that comes with the overhaul. Looking forward to see how the eagle interact. There is a talent in the talent tree that I have not written about in the video, but it wasn't in the patch notes so not sure what to think of it.
The talent is like this anyway: No Scope - Rapid Fire grants Precise Shots.
I think they're going full send on MM being a dedicated marksmen. Precision and big hits.
As an MM main since Wrath, i love these changes.
Im undead Hunter,i dont want a eagle, at least let us choose the flying pet.
Yeah, agree! They say we might be able to customize it, but might isn't enough, it needs to be done imo. Both which pet and colors/variants you can do.
Was thinking the same thing. Maybe a glyph or something. I'd want a bat or a raven
Good idea!
what is this star shooting bow.. i want it
Thori'dal, The Stars Fury:) From Sunwell, legendary bow
To me, Beast Mastery and Survival Hunters were similar with BM's being ranged Pet Owners and Survival being Melee Pet Owners. Marksmanship Hunters were in a weird middle ground. I am glad that Blizzard is forming a new take on MM Hunters. IT will be interesting to see what they come up with in the next major patch.
Still holding my judgement on this, I was very against it the first hours but then I got thinking about the visual aspect of it all, it might be cool visually.
Though I wish they could just give BL to Lone Wolf and them give it a rest. Lots of changes going into TWW, then a sudden change in philosophy. I guess I am afraid of what they can mess up as I really, really love how Marksmanship plays.
But, it can be great too!
who ever thought this up should be fired. way to ruin mm hunter blizz.
Still holding my judgement, but this was really surprising.
I think blizzard got bigger issues with Lone Wolf and the whole pet gameplay than the player base.
Marksmanship has been all about being the Lone wolf for so many years, its hard to go away from that suddenly, fantasy-wise.
dork
Taking away the pet is a mistake, just give MM a proper lust and be done with it. I like my pet, I like to use it in delves and open world content.
Yeah, I like it how it is myself, though add BL to Lone Wolf.
A bit strange they had so many tweaks in patch 11.0.5 then change it completely. I was shocked seeing the news.
Your choices are:
zoo keeper, rogue with a pet, or RNG "not a pet".
BM should be melee, like Rexxar.
SV, ranged pet class with tricks.
MM, petless ranged.
Yeah, it was fine enough. Add BL to Lone Wolf(just add an eagle to Lone Wolf that gives BL then flies away)
Blizzard seems to have great issues with talents that gives flat damage boost, and the choice is on Blizzard, not players. Dont have BL connected to pets and leave Lone Wolf to be an iconic thing for Marksman.
Lone Wolf is the sole reason for this change. They don't like it.
No Hunter's Pet for Marks? Hate it!
terrible changes..
just for scrubs lol
I met very few MM hunter in raid and dungeon recently and it might probably be because the spec is underperforming. Glad to understand that spec will be underperforming even more in 11.1 :D
Lonewolf (5% dmg increase) gone sounds like a nerf to me.
Careful aim (50% dmg increase for mobs above 70% health) gone, sounds huge nerf to me
Aimed shot cast time increased to 3 seconds , another heavy nerf. Just start casting, go get a coffe while you wait the cast to finish and other 4 party members to finish the dungeon in the meantime :D
Well, they buffed a bit the overall output dmg of aimed shot, but I am pretty sure it would not be enough.
About eagle, would that be a 'virtual' pet you don't see and don't hear or would they add some cool visual and audio effect ? That's a great question, right ? Knowing blizzard probably we will see a chicken falling from the sky like a pigeon 5h1t :D
And what about an "emergency pet" to help keep aggro on an elite-mob I would like to solo, since the MM class/spec is already a glass cannon (and may be not even a cannon ?). Not a chance, right, blizzard ?
Then you gonna read blizzards thoughts on hunter changes,
/quote
... that Aimed Shot was the star of the show. Aimed Shot is the core of Marksmanship-- a long channel, lightning fast projectile, and it hits like a truck
/unquote
Yeah, like a truck. They really expect me to believe this ? I play other classes too and my mage 584 has spells which crits double the aimed shot crit of my 623 MM hunter does. My god ! So sad !
@@markwild8281 that long castingspeed argument of yours is only valide if u hard cast it and dont play around your rotation.
Both arcane shot and rapid fire give u a, i think two times, stackable buff that reduces aimed shots cast time...
@Keztraz you know better than me that m+ and raid mechanics forces you quite often to move , to avoid visiting the graveyard😏. Lets say you start casting after 1 second you are forced to move. You lose 1sec dps. There is a reason I meet way more BM hunters everywhere😏
@@markwild8281 Wow, that same thing is true for every caster out there.
U still see those played and stuff...
As I was saying, if u hard press aimed shot it sucks.
But u proc precise shots left and right...
Consuming a precise shot, aswell as using explosive shot and rapid fire give u one of a max of 2 stacks of Streamline.
Autoattack, kill shot procs and aimed shots generate precise shot.
U will stack haste and mastery, and your set bonus will give u free explo shots, and should in turn give u a stack of precise shot...
How can u say that aim shot has a horrible cast time is it, after the rework, has, idealy, about an 1 to 1 and a half sec cast time?
@@Keztraz writing here is one thing. Going on PTR realm and try it out on training dummy with details addon , comparing dp with live realm, is totally a different thing. Just give it a try and you will see the dps loss, which will be even more in raid or dungeon. Already rerolled BM and dev evoker. But go on with MM, you will have fun for sure :D
@markwild8281 u got point there...
Good thing is that, if I spec into a haste mastery MM, the switch the BM will be so easy xD
Did hunters really need a bloodlust??
Is there ever a group without a mage and or shaman?
Yeah, now and then, though I tend to find lust in someone else if I make my own party. But of around 50 m+ I have probably used lust like 10 times of those runs.
Oh wait, this isn't Ascension.
Good luck with whatever this is.
The game Ascension is built upon🧙♂️
these changes are bs, in my opinion. long time mm, cant see me playing it like this :(
Hoping they'll leave most of the gameplay as it is now. Crossing fingers!