Why its so hard to repair TITAN RTX
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Sorry about the audio quality.
Didnt realize it was picking up sound from another mic 😮
It sound like you talk behind door, from toilet
It's okay and happen all the time, there's probably option to record two track from two different source, I remember we always do this in film school, just in case.
It happens, don't worry about it 😁. We can understand you normally so all is good 👍
No wonder with all that poop on the card. Fits the toilet ambient.
what mic you normally use?
And another successful repair, great job Tony.
Thanks.
This card is absolutely beautiful. The champagne goes so well with the black.
@Mike1984-lc9rh I get it's not for everyone. It's ok.
agree the card looks fantastic
@Mike1984-lc9rh actually i quite enjoy it ☝️😲, gives it a vintage feel.
@@LordScrumpusNot vintage GPU though. High end GPUs in the 2000s looked awful with the CGI ladies and shiny plastics. In the 90s and earlier, they didn't even have coolers, let alone covers.
Two videos on the same day. Wow respect!
It's difficult, but you make it look so easy😅. Also compressing 2 hours of work into a few minutes....
Sorry for my English! It's called "edge bonding," or "underfill," and mostly used in mobile devices and military equipment, where mechanical shock/vibration is a thing.
Yep. Which makes you wonder how much vibration they expect their own fan to create. 😉
In this case I suspect it's as a way to reduce board sag (or at least minimize the chance of it leading to cracked solder joints).
I always wanted a Titan RTX just because I absolutely adore the 20 series founders cards and the gold is the cherry on top (from a looks wise), but I literally scraped the used market for my current GPU so that says enough about how much I'm willing to spend on a GPU.
I've also been looking into getting a 2080 ti recently and just had an interested look at Titan RTXs and prices people wanted were just utterly ridiculous sadly, could regularly find them for over 1k.
The 20 series FE cards are just so beautiful.
I have a 2060 SUPER FE if you’re still looking for one and interested.
Great job man. Just an idea. A lot of resins would be dissolved by dcm or acetone. Both are available over the counter. May solve your problem.
Yeah. I'd try ethyl acetate before the dicholoromethane (and maybe tetrahydrofuran or hexane afterwards, if DCM didn't work), but I think the risk is that whatever dissolves that resin will _also_ dissolve the resin used for the board itself.
@@RFC3514 True. Makes sense to go gradually. I figured that if he put a few drops at a time then it would minimize messing with the soldermask and plastics. Yeah, gotta protect the pcb itself somehow or use weaker solvents as you said.
Titan's did have a beautiful paint job.
That compound is a nightmare. The worst part is there really no safe off the shelf chemical agents you can use to non-heat remove it. 90% iso won't even clean it or dissolve it. I know they make chemicals to remove that stuff, but it's not anything you want to breathe fumes of, be around, or get on you. 😣
What's the compound called?
@@Lostcontroller I don't remember exactly what The compound was that Nvidia uses specifically for their GPUs, but it's a lacquer based substance that I know because I heard it before somewhere else and it's a real pain in the butt to clean up because the solvent used to dissolve it once it dries is not something you want to get on you from what I remember hearing about it It's almost kind of like paint remover and varnish remover.
It also serves zero purpose for the cards other than to make repairs more difficult. It's basically a cosmetic coverup for the PCB to mask placement grids.
@@ReaperX7 - I would try (in order) acetone, ethyl acetate, dicholoromethane, tetrahydrofuran and hexane. All of them are fine to use in small amounts as long as you have ventilation, you just don't want to spend all day breathing the fumes.
Edit: Of course, one problem is some of those might also dissolve the material that bonds the board layers, which wouldn't be good. 😁
You would probably need something like EnSolv and a vapor chamber
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this underfill can be removed by treating it with chloroform bath for several hours , it will crack and expend. Them with moderate heat (250 C) it will soften up and can be gently scraped away.
Titan RTX I think had Encoders, Decoders and other subsets of the GPU that are the ungimped versions (the ones you find on the Pro cards) versus the consumer grade gimped versions that are less effective at Encoding, Decoding, and compute tasks. Since it was essentially a Pro Card with gamer flair.
Yeah it wasnt cut down also from the driver side with CAD performance for example if I am not wrong. It is basically a Card with Quadro performance without costing crazy and less pro driver support. Rtx 3090/4090 are cut down in CAD Performance now
I’m happy to be apart of your small community :)
Wonder if you could use some type of iron the size of the chip that was super heated and then directly applied to the chip surface to flash heat it and remove it. Think of a branding iron for cattle only the tip the size of the chip. Might be able clip an aluminum strip on the remaining memory to dissapate the unwated heat.
This repair feels RAW. Even mic quality portrays a grim repair process.
Titan RTX isn't identical to a 2080 Ti, though they are both based on the same exact core. It's just that certain parts of the 2080ti are not functioning, whereas on the Titan they are fully functional. Titan has 4608 CUDA cores (vs 4352 on the 2080 Ti), 110mhz higher boost, 572 Tensor Cores (vs 544), 72 RT cores (vs 68). I'm not saying the Titan RTX is worth the price, I'm just saying there are differences
The 5% difference in the number of SMs is very noticeable
@@Antagon666 would love to snag a titan rtx some day. I have a bitspower full cover waterblock for a founders edition 2080/2080ti which I think would fit the titan.
keep the awesome work bro
I try
Have you ever considered grinding the faulty chip off with no heat? That's often done during phone repairs when you need to replace a faulty IC but want to minimize damage to the board as well as other components nearby.
impressive as usual!
The purpose of this cards has always been to sell the "cheaper" cards ie:
"Why buy the 90series @ 2000$ when the 80 series is almost as good @ 1200$?", conveniently forgetting the 500$-ish gen. Increase.
It's a card you buy because you can. Like a Lambo or Ferrari. People buy supercars and hypercars not because they're gonna be their main mode of transportation - they buy those cars because they can.
@@ResidentWeevil2077 Dumb people buy super cars and hypercars. Smart people lease them.
Finally something relatively straightforward
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I understand why now the RTX Titan is difficult to repair. They really sealed the components on with more than just the solder balls.
Underfill is not antirepair its to stop shock, thermal expansion etc. remove the underfill around the sides first. 300 cel and slide a knife under around 380 celcuis. Do it all the time on mobile phones etc.
So why do they use that compound to begin with? Is it meant to strengthen the chips hold on the board? Even still, it causes more problems than it solves.
my old rig had a pair of these on custom water cooling. Definitely worked well in any situation where they could both be utilized but 100% not worth the very slight improvement for gaming over a 2080Ti - and in a few cases it actually performed slightly worse because it generates more heat due to slightly more cores active within the same die and thus not being able to boost as high for as long.
Why do they put the compound on? Purely to stop repairs or upgrades? Is there a legit reason?
It's only on the bottom memory chips, most likely to protect them from users that would let the gpu sag for a longer time. Sagging gpu can break the solder connections overtime on the memory chips that are the closest to the pcie connector, if there's no compound. It sucks when you don't have it (if the user is not careful with his hardware) and sucks when the memory chips would just die on their own anyways someday
Yeah, I did learn something today......that I will have bourn again in order to get your level skills!
Bravo Tony! Great work.. diags to the point.. !
Genius level work 🎉
That compound looks like what we use on industrial electronics to make them somewhat/mostly protected from water/moisture? Is that why it was there; perhaps for a water block application?
Excluding more vram - there is small difference in cores too -> from 4352 to 4608, so very minimal
Same with bus, there is a „jump” from 352b to 384b
Imagine how much of a difference it could be if they used 482 or 512b bus :/
So my assumption is correct. Two 2080tis will kick titans ass and it will cost a lot less.
i never said you were wrong there@@northwestrepair - i just wanted to just put all info about it.
But i never said that this jump was significant :D
much opposite - i feel like all "Titan" cards are worthless for years... Last proper Titan card was Titan X (Maxwell) which actually really gave an proper upgrade comparing to 980/980Ti
Is there any reason why you're not using a small electric screwdriver?
Wait!
You have a milling machine.
You could try to mill away the defective RAM chip.
The flaws and anti-repair measures in this Nvidia-designed and Nvidia-branded card must surely be AMD's fault. 😜
Get a life.
Powercolor and sapphire also use underfill on the bottom memory chips, it's to prevent the memory chips from losing the connection underneath them overtime... In case of an user that lets his gpu sag for a longer time. Ofc the solution is not ideal
Is @@lfjmioe235f mad at a joke?
Increasing power requirements = bigger fans & heatsinks = greater strain on the PCIe slot = GPU sag (especially if physically unsupported by not having support brackets) = higher chance of chips losing connection due to bending PCB = not a fun time with dead chips on your card 🤡
Until YOU can come up with a better solution to these issues, keep quiet friendo.
@@ResidentWeevil2077 - /whoosh? Some people really seem to need a big flashing sign saying "sarcasm"; even emojis aren't enough. 🙄
Wow why are they using that stuff, I mean even with normal use those chips will get hot and like you said they pull on the chips with change in temperature, it’s like they used that stuff on purpose for it to fail
Can't you drill the chip off? Like removing the PCB for a crack repair layer by layer. Once you are deep enough remove the compound by heating it with a soldering iron.
Just a thought, never done it myself...
It's special because it's an even better looking version of the best looking (20 series founders edition) cards with a ton of VRAM :P
Why NVIDIA puts underfill like Apple does...
In Apple's case, it's usually to make repair difficult or impossible. I don't think Nvidia is quite as evil. My guess is the card is heavy and they were afraid solder joints would crack due to sagging, so they added the compound as mechanical reinforcement, to prevent that.
no views?? this is the earliest I've been to a post by anyone.
2080ti's are a sad market to buy from specifically for this reason alone. You're buying one that will die on you. Amazing repairs as always.
my 2070 died. ram issues.. now i got a 3060 12 gig. runs cool but damn that hot spot.
I still want RTX Titan Because it's looking cool. But it's still expensive.
Well I am interested Also in the chinese modified 2080 Ti with 22gb vram
22GB sounds like such an arbitrarily odd amount of VRAM to modify a card with kek
@@ResidentWeevil2077 It's double the amount of vram of the 2080 ti
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Great and informative video as always, been wondering what kind of software are You using it seams ro have memory diagnostic for both Amd and Nvidai cards. Been having issue to find a good software for Amd cards ?
so, what utility is this in your Gdrive?
its mats/mods i believe? but which versions
are for what GPUs?
or rather, which one are you using as the version
info shown on your display isnt the same as whats
in the gdrive. ?mods 520 for a 4000series gpu?
for memory testing?
Broski forgot of how good looking the card was with the TITAN RTX logo on it
Audio not great on this video but still a great Video!👍
What about milling this chip away without touching pcb ?
Needs more screws!
Can you use acetone or MEK to clean that coating?
The Titan RTX was the card you bought if you wanted to use RTX for actual work and not just dicking around in games, where the feature is a gimmick.
Why not use the ultrasonic cleaner?
CNC mill off the old chip, or use a dremel for hours
CNC will likely rip the pads off.
Really enjoyed my 2080ti until it'd broke - I wish they'd have gone the full 384-bits on the 2080ti rather than leaving that to the Titan. Curiously I've seen very few people overclock the Titan RTX , given the fun I've had with the 2080ti I reckon we could get to similar performance as a 4070 , or very slightly slower than a 3080 10GB
Love channel i found the MATS MOD what iso program do you use to make them to USB stick ?
is there no special acidic solution or something else which disintegrate the glue, but not the PCB or components?
Why they put this glue around and under the chips while it's obvious it doesn't help at all on keeping the chips steady still ? Maybe the opposite...
can you test the resin solubility? maybe there is a way takingit off without kiling the mem
Isn't it possible to just power on the graphics card without these memory chips? It will obviosly have less memory avaliable, but in theory it shoud still be able to work, right?
Define "work"
@@northwestrepair generate image and run games
How much do you charge for repairs? I have a 4090 that recently started artifacting. Sent it in for rma but they sent it back and said nothing was wrong. Trying to get an idea of if it’s worth trying to get it fixed or if I just have to cut my losses.
If they said nothing wrong then nothing wrong. Problem is on your end
@@northwestrepair Tested it in another pc and same artifacting, so it is the gpu.
Is the black compound disintegrated from the thermal pads?
I see in a lot of your videos that you don't like current generation gpus or it seems. If I was looking today what would you recommend? P.S. I play 20 year old games.
The RTX Titan has the full die with more shading units and TMU/ROPS than the TI model.
God Bless 🙏
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For the price you'd expect the backplate made from Titanium at least.
What is the black compound?
Underfill to give the BGA memory package extra support, presumably it is there because they expect PCB flex in that area near the card edge connector?
Right good work 💯
What is this compound they use, and why do they, the manufacturer use it is my question?
CRC QD Electronics Cleaner for the 50th time Tony……….
Last video complaining about alcohol removing solder mask on the AMD 7900 XTX
I challenge you to find anything electronic or plastic that CRC QD won’t clean or destroy, you will not find better off the shelf then that product.
Another hint buy a real air compressor, blows all that debris, pieces of pads, putty, w/e right off the board and heatsink.
Underfill is used alot in phones to. Its a bandaid to offset problems caused by brittle unleaded solder
what is the compound, would wiping around the chip with acetone on a q-tip soften the compound enough to make removing a chip easier?
Can you do a memory doubling on this? For all the effort and labour cost is it possible to strap it for 24GB VRAM?
Titan RTX comes standard with 24GB
@@twilightravens9798 my bad (Mondays grrr..) what I meant was 48GB like the RTX 8000 pro card.
Awesome
Awesome video
I just need to Butch up and send you my Titan Maxwell, I have no doubt you could fix it. And it should not have all the road blocks the RTX Titan had....sigh...
I think the thing that makes it special is the amount of screws it has. 3 times more than a 2080 Ti. 😁😛😉
5:20 ammm I love this name 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Nvidia shits on the bed also 😂
Nice 🤠
Maybe you could consult a chemist about a safe way of removing that compound. Maybe there's some chemical it reacts with that would neutralize it.
He would have to know what the compound is, and I'm guessing he doesn't.
Is there any chemical way to soften the epoxy?
edit: OH, I see there's ALSO epoxy under the chip. I don't think you could get at that chemically. Might be worth a shot though on a card that's junk anyway. It would probably take quite a while, but still worth a shot. Maybe acetone would attack the epoxy? Acetone evaporates really quick, so you'd have to put something like a cloth or paper towel over the area to apply acetone to, soak the towel, and put something over THAT to keep the acetone from evaporating super duper quick. Then re-apply the acetone every (x) hours.
Someone above mentioned that chloroform works, but it does need time to soak.
14:27 yeah I learn that Nvidia loves to make it hard to try forcing people to buy new cards
Can definitely grind the chip off with your machine shop equipment. I've seen people do that with iPhone CPU because of underfill. Less work / mistakes too
it gives double the ai and machine learning and rendering perfomance of a 2080ti while consuming less power than one... so yea companies don't think when paying twice for a GPU that would cover its cost for them in like a week of continuous renders
Im wondering whats your opinion of my gpu i got new about 1 yr and a half ago , its a Evga rtx 3080 xc3 . How long will it last me just doing gaming playing most of my game casual with v-sync on . I keep it clean of dust and have my case open so it always runs about 70-75 c and on some games only 60 c the whole time . The games where its running 70-75 c i have v-sync off and my monitor is a 120hz so the frames ramp up and is why it goes to those temps .
No way to tell
@@northwestrepair are the majority of your repairs caused by overclocking ? i dont do that i heard to many bad stories about it .
You forgot to take the aquarium out of your head
lol
cant you use some kind of solvent like acetone?
No
Where I can download / buy the software?
You Need Big Boss for Disassembly of parts for you🤣
Could some chemical do the trick with the compound, by dissolving it.
Is the audio bad on purpose?
Never clicked so fast lol.
have got founders' 2070super with exact same cooler, hoping for less compound thou ;)
if you need to sacrafy the chip anyways what is with grind out the chip to avoid overheating the next one beside?
So you don't ruin the rest of the board.
The end was too short, you didn’t show the last memory test in real time
Northwestrepair get standard gfx cards, solder on more RAM = massive profit
Doesn't seem to work that way. Need a new BIOS or it won't use the extra ram.
Not true. @@bills6093
Why it has two pcie lane?
What about acetone?
Miss the days of before 30s they just don't make coolers like that, now they look boring. But why is chiplet design so bad isn't it good for more gpus to be made, plus better prices 😢
Hello there, very great video, could you @northwestrepair let us know where did you download from the NVIDIA GPU TESTING UTILITY v1.0 by Joe Biden
Sounds like Apple and their underfill.