you need to remember this is the twins with there 'telephone voices' on, like when we speak to our Grandparents. I am thinking they sounded very differently in their day to day dealings.
What a couple of fine, upstanding men. Paragons of virtue. Not a single stain on their character. Always behaved impeccably. Never had anyone murdered. But enough about the interviewer and lawyer…
Good joke but the lawyer was probably a part of the Kray's noncey clientele. This is the bit that people don't get about the Krays, and if they understood it, they would understand why they got away with it for so long and also they would stop looking up to them. Not only did they terrorise innocent civilians, they also pimped out kids to the wealthy and influential. Nothing but monsters. If they'd have been born into the upper class, they'd have been politicians themselves and would likely be both friend and victim to their working class counterparts.
There's always a section of society, including some of those in show business, who like to glorify gangsters. "They were lovely boys; they loved their mum; they kept the streets clean; they never hurt anyone who didn't deserve it..." etc. etc. The reality is a couple of thugs in sharp suits who were convicted of killing two people, were implicated in several other murders, carried out protection rackets and extortion, and who dealt out summary justice in the form of extreme violence and threat to anyone who crossed them or they didn't like. Add to that, Reggie was largely responsible for the suicide of his wife who couldn't cope with what she had got herself into, and Ronnie was mentally ill and extremely paranoid, leaving him beyond the control of reason. Judging by their behaviour and demeanor, both were likely psychopathic and acted without conscience, doing exactly as they wanted and attacking anyone who objected. But they were lovely boys nonetheless and it is such an injustice that the spent the rest of their lives locked up, less able to operate their regime of fear across East London and the West End.
I agree in general, but the immediate point I think of is that most world leaders these days have done MUCH worse than they ever did. US & UK leaders especially would be locked up for crimes against humanity if the world were just, however it is not.
@@helenwaldron5858 yeah arseholes who kept the east end of London clean, no knife crime no gang warfare. Look what happened when they got locked up and the state of it now.....
That's what I thought, you now have a voice of the twins! I'm amazed at their calm demeanor, soft spoken well mannered by eyes that follow you like a shark!
Yeah it's a twin thing to do that. Both absolutely notorious. But gotta hand it to them for their absolute cheek at going on tv to say their innocent and want to be left alone. People forget these two were murderers and caused many people injuries. They were evil men. Not heroes not film stars. Pure evil. Despite all the suits and glamour
I looked for a comment that said this! So well done for noticing. That's a line out a great comedy film if ever I heard one, made funnier by the fact it's real! Kinda shows how dumb Ronnie was. Reggie not far behind 😂😂
In all my years I've never ever watched anything on these twins or ever heard them speak really. Not what I expected at all, quite sensible & measured. If looks could kill, they did it well & without remorse. Wow!
My aunty peggy was brought up on the same street the twins mums house was on, she used to tell me stories about how everyone could leave there doors unlocked and there wasnt any trouble because of these two..
When they both looked at the lawyer. I'm a twin and we did that often. When people would ask who's the oldest or who's the smartest, or who's the trouble maker, we'd look at mom in synchronization.
It's hilarious them both sitting there like butter wouldn't melt. Ronnie talks like a chartered accountant who's mysteriously been accused of being gangster.
They were always going to be caught. Charlie Richardson was far smarter than them and he ended up with a 25 year sentence. If they stayed away from violent crime, they would’ve been fine.
Amazing how you can be intimidating and respected without raising your voice. Agree with another comment though, trust me this wasnt how they spoke when at work. Still to this day find them extremely fascinating.
After his arrest, Ronnie Kray was a Category A prisoner, denied almost all liberties and not allowed to mix with other prisoners. He was eventually certified insane, his paranoid schizophrenia being tempered with constant medication
Clearly they seem like a thoroughly nice pair of chaps who were wrongly accused in this dastardly awful court case, and I for one am proud that British justice prevailed and these men were set free!
Reggie was very dapper and suave. Ronnie had similar looks but not as polished, I think the internal struggles in his head manifested themselves in his appearance. I'll always find these two absolutely facinating, their charisma is almost tangible, it 'jumps' off the screen at you.
Comments like this highlight that people still fall for the same "charm" that the upper class perverts did, which is what allowed them to get away with terrorising innocent, working people for so many years, not to mention the children who had their lives ruined by the "appetites" of the twins and their capacity for extorting people with similar tastes. The "loveable rogues" pimped out kids to the likes of Lord Boothby, who was very much "charmed" by Ronnie, and also defended the twins in parliament right up to the end, all the while helping them extort their way into the upper rungs of the ruling class. The fact that people still fall for this sickens me and I think that all of the glorification and mystification that has been shone upon them by the likes of "Legend" and the other films made about them has contributed to this. If you want to know a bit about what they were really like, watch 'The Gangster and the Pervert Peer' - a Channel 4 documentary that is sometimes on youtube but often taken down. I cannot believe it was even made. It doesn't go into the lowest depths of how these two operated but it shows you enough to help you see through the "superficial charm", as it is called amongst psychopaths. Not saying that OP was defending them in any way, it just angers me that people talk about their "charisma", how they "loved their mother", with some even going as far as to say that they were a force for good in the east end. Anybody who has had a hand in glamorising these parasites should be ashamed of themselves.
my uncle was in leicester prison 1969 -the day they krays got took in, convoy of black marias, air raid sirens sounded through the prison.- everybody in the workshop dropped tools and went to the windows looking. 'its the krays'' he never seen them inside because they were cat A. he loved that story. rip peace uncle pete.
"- Ronald, what do you think about clubland of London? - I think most clubs are very respectable, you know, and I don't think there's any trouble at all in them... ... EXCEPT OCCASIONALLY. "
I once knew a man called Henry buller ward who was a gangster himself and a close associated with the Krays. He was very well known at the time but not nowadays. Anyway he was once stabbed across the face by Reggie Kray because he refused to shoot his friend Tony Mafia which is what the Kray twins wanted him to do for some reason. He survived the knife and he still had the scar which he pointed out to me (he once survived a gun shot as well). He is dead now (he was 93 and he died in 2014) but had quite a past and being stabbed by the Reggie Kray was just one of his stories he escaped from prison, had various very intense hide and seek games with police that were chasing him (he hid in a pre dug grave on one occasion ) broke someone out of a prison in Algeria 🇩🇿 and was hired to shoot an African dictator a as well. They were actually going to make a movie out of him but he wasn’t very keen on the idea there are a couple of books about him as well.
@@Ash__7 Sorry I meant to say I think he showed my dad who knew him more than me. I was very tired when I wrote this. It was obvious I didn’t realise that mark came from a knife 🔪 what I mean to say is the mark that was the result of the knife was pointed out (not showed because as you say that’s bloody obvious). I didn’t word that bit very well my apologies as I say I was very tired at the time
@@Padwarner4452 Absolutely Loved ur comment mate I just wish to go back in Time and shake the Krays hand and say what a monumental to London you guys will become
@@Simmy_NG No it's harder to be feared.. being loved Is easy - to bend your will to everybody else's rules relinquishing your personal power to them as a result...
The trial in question relates to the accusation that Ronnie nailed the head of an acquaintance to a coffee table for transgressing the unwritten rule. His desire to go abroad was due to his unsubstantiated belief that a giant hedgehog called Spikey Norman was after him….
My dad met my mum in East end of London when the krays were at the peak, they were out n out savages, people went missing and were never seen again they killed more than they were caught for, Ronnie was an absolute lunny tune
Awe what a couple of very lovely guys. So well spoken, pleasant and polite. And then you read this: Military service The Krays were called up to do National Service in the British Army in March 1952. Although the pair reported to the depot of the Royal Fusiliers at the Tower of London, they attempted to leave after only a few minutes. When the corporal in charge tried to stop them, he was seriously injured by Ronnie when he punched him on the jaw. The Krays walked back to their East End home. They were arrested the next morning by the police and turned over to the army.[10] In September while absent without leave (AWOL) again, the twins assaulted a police constable who tried to arrest them. They became among the last prisoners to be held at the Tower of London before being transferred to Shepton Mallet military prison in Somerset for a month to await court-martial. After they were convicted, both were sent to the Buffs' Home Counties Brigade Depot jail in Canterbury, Kent. However, when it became clear they were both to be dishonourably discharged from the army, the Krays' behaviour became worse. They dominated the exercise areas outside their one-man cells, threw tantrums, emptied a latrine bucket over a sergeant, dumped a canteen full of hot tea on another guard, handcuffed a guard to their prison bars with a pair of stolen cuffs and set their bedding on fire.[11][12] Eventually they were moved to a communal cell where they assaulted their guard with a vase and escaped. After being quickly recaptured, they spent their last night in military custody in Canterbury drinking cider, eating crisps and smoking cigarillos courtesy of the young national servicemen acting as their guards. The next day the Krays were transferred to a civilian prison to serve sentences for the crimes they committed while AWOL. And thats before they went into serious crime in civilian life....
Back in the 60s I would have been 10 when I went to a local street party with my uncle who lived worked as a janitor in east end he had a house within the collage yard .. I went down to London for my holidays each summer with my parents . My uncle was a friend of the twins and Ronnie turned up that day . Never forgot it he seemed a gentleman
The Piranha Brothers. I understand he also nailed your wife's head to a coffee table. Isn't that right Mrs O' Tracey? Mrs O' Tracey: Oh, no. No. No. Stig: Yeah, well, he did do that. Yeah, yeah. He was a cruel man, but fair. 😂
I knew the Krays , I also watched England beat Gernany at Wembley Stadium 1966 & saw the Sex Pistols at the 100 club in 1976. I am also a chief bullshiter 😂
neil hilton This interview was from '64 or '65 but Ronnie shot George Cornell on 9th March '66. The Blind Beggar pub is still there although much altered since the shooting.
Most men were back in those days. A time when you took pride in your approach and appearance. Compare them to the wet blankets that consider themselves men these days
you think so? its cockney attempting to sound gentlemanly with a few hints of gay in there it's not street urchin cockney. The interviewer is smart arse posh for the time but the Lawyer sounds prewar notice the way he rolls his rrs. but thanks for the instruction Haz
It’s disgusting how the government harassed them, they should of let them run our country from 10 Downing st, we wouldn’t be in the mess our country is in now, OH TO HAVE THE KRAYS BACK !!!!!!!
Nearly all documentaries about Krays doesn't mention that east London was a devastated place after WWII. It was ruined physically, socially and economically. Boys from East London that period had very few chances to have higher education, to be successful and respectful. Krays grew up at this place at this time. They knew that their future would be probably be upright, boring and poor. They chose to be famous and rich, the easy and fast way. They succeeded that for more than a decade until their fall. As far as I know from books and documentaries they were violent only inside their criminal circles. Everybody knew that they were gangsters during 50's and 60's. The derelict East London was a fine breeding ground for gangsters. They didn't harm the general public and actually helped many poor east Londoners in great need. That's why they were admire and respected in east London. Famous gangsters in Britain and USA are always appealing to the general public no matter how violent they are. Violence is the trademark of their way of life. During late 60's London and Britain was changing. Britain was healing from the poor housing, the food rationing and rise of criminality the indigence and WWII brought. Krays didn't have a place on the reformed 70's and 80's. With the first chance the establishment neutralized both of them for good.
Yeah, they were peaceful lads, never hurt anyone who didn't have it coming (or didn't get out of their way, or hold a door for them, or looked at Reggies girlfriend)..... "not at all, except occaisionally"!
From the accounts of the couple of people I've met who knew the Krays, they were highly unstable. One put it like this. "If you went to their house you were never sure if they were going to make you a cup of tea or slit your throat."
Celebrities are payed for being inarticulate in front of cameras, and they are probably more civilised behind the scenes. These criminals are barbarians behind the scenes but have to look like good boys in front of cameras.
Hannibal I didn't like the way Reggie's abusive relationship and the suicide of his then wife was handled in the film. The film was distasteful and glorified what were nothing more than petty criminals and deranged sadists.
Recorded - 1960s
Uploaded - 2007
Recommended - 2020.
They were suffering from so much realness, the upload speed couldn't handle it.
Exactly
Aye cos anarchy is on its way
Hotel - trivago
Another idiot talking about recommendations
“I’d like to go abroad for a while, then I’d like to be left alone”
Wouldn’t we all Ronnie, wouldn’t we all.
✔
Very good point.
I'll leave you alone now
@Nikki Primrose You should be carefull what you say.
Off to Ibiza then.
Off to Benidorm you go then ❗️
Love how they both looked at their lawyer when asked about legal reasons. That’s some twin telepathy shit right there, The synchronicity of it.
Jack Fahy funny thang considering that’s a lawyers job
They looked cause the question was directed at the lawyer and the interviewer was probably looking at him.
They turned because the interviewer repeated the question and this time was asking the lawyer, not them.
Yeah that was priceless 😃. Completely in sync.
@@HYPERgamezsubscribe yeah, but it looked really funny
Reggie - I'd like to go away and get married
Ronnie - I'd like to fold up an Italian boy like a pretzel
Other way round but yeah
Both are gay rapists but yeah
Really fackin urt im 🤣
@@BH-tp3pm
Sorted it 👍
Us Italian boys get all the luck 😂😂
They didnt talk about that poker game with Danny Dyer and Jay's dad from the Inbetweeners?
@Shuffle You do realise OP was joking.
Shuffle R/WOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
Shuffle....🙄🙄
@Shuffle Everyone point and laugh at this dickhead.
Shuffle how do you not get shit
"I've got a joke for you,
A paranoid schizophrenic walks into a bar......."
And hold 2 hammer 😂
Wanker
Go on... Fuck off!
@@sandzh2081 facking waste o’ my time
What ya gonna do bake me a cake? Watch me blow out me fucking candles?
Lmao when they both look at their lawyer, "ye why was that"
Lmao I actually lost it at that part
Brilliant wasn’t it 🤣
😂😂😂😂😀
Horns because their guilty
Maybe because the question "why was that" was pointed towards the lawyer
“I don’t think there’s any trouble at all in them… except occasionally.” 🤣🤣🤣
They pay ronnie Pickering protection money
GOC 😂😂 quality
Ronnie who ?
@@davie8593 RONNIE PICKERING
Lol
Someone famous are ya 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Reggie's little smirk as the lawyer is talking is beautiful.
Tells a story of itself.
I'm not guilty until you find me guilty 🤣
Jamie Reid
Reggie did not smirk when the lawyer was talking. Fact.
“Beautiful”… okay
i see no smirk??
Isn't that always the case?
I'm not privy to how things are done across the pond but I'm Certainly privy to "presumed innocent until proven guilty "
There is no smirk, These millennials Are just obsessed with facial reactions
you need to remember this is the twins with there 'telephone voices' on, like when we speak to our Grandparents. I am thinking they sounded very differently in their day to day dealings.
Of course.
Yea like a rude parrot..I'd say
Yeah. Gayer probably. Coo-eeh! 🕺🏻🕺🏻
Ronnie be like "could you please make my dinner" then just go looking for a proper 'shoot out' classic
@walter white 100% agree e.g when there's fights instead of a 1v1 its 1v all his mates and some knives in the mix
What a couple of fine, upstanding men. Paragons of virtue. Not a single stain on their character. Always behaved impeccably. Never had anyone murdered. But enough about the interviewer and lawyer…
lol
lawyers not upstanding.few are
@@TheBlueCream It's just a profession. Do you go around criticising policemen or doctors for saving criminals' lives?
Good joke but the lawyer was probably a part of the Kray's noncey clientele. This is the bit that people don't get about the Krays, and if they understood it, they would understand why they got away with it for so long and also they would stop looking up to them. Not only did they terrorise innocent civilians, they also pimped out kids to the wealthy and influential. Nothing but monsters. If they'd have been born into the upper class, they'd have been politicians themselves and would likely be both friend and victim to their working class counterparts.
Yeah. Not like the 14 year old packs of animals on the streets of London with zombie knifes and machetes. Naive Idiot
He wants to go abroad to Enugu and he needs 50,000 pounds, you don't know everything do ya Pain.
lol
LMFAO
Lol
Payne
Haha
Tom Hardy did an amazing job at both brothers seriously. Props to him.
@ATL no he done a great job maybe you dont know a good actor when you see one .
@@tonyoreilly100 Ali zakka ???
@@tonyoreilly100 hahahaha wtf? 🤷♂️😂😂😂 reading comprehension bro 🤔🤣🤣
Yeh he done well but the best one if the 90’s Kemp brother version
Yes after i wtch ths movie his good actor wow is true story amazing job
Just love Ron Kray “well I don’t think there was any trouble in there at all .... except occasionally”. 😂
"Like a weshtun!"
Whatever he's done, he's your brother. Favourite quote of any film.
Corny and lame. They were a pair of nonces and the film completely glossed over what they were really about and how they got away with it for so long.
so. what's yer' point..?
Tom Hardy’s impression of these 2 was actually class 😂😂😂 well I never thought I’d get this many likes and salty comments it’s fucking hilarious 😂😂😂
You mean one...
MR REFLEX he played both of them 🤦♂️
@@R3FL3X84 HHAHAHAHA YOU IDIOT!!
Are you serious
Tbf he sounds like neither of them
There's always a section of society, including some of those in show business, who like to glorify gangsters. "They were lovely boys; they loved their mum; they kept the streets clean; they never hurt anyone who didn't deserve it..." etc. etc. The reality is a couple of thugs in sharp suits who were convicted of killing two people, were implicated in several other murders, carried out protection rackets and extortion, and who dealt out summary justice in the form of extreme violence and threat to anyone who crossed them or they didn't like. Add to that, Reggie was largely responsible for the suicide of his wife who couldn't cope with what she had got herself into, and Ronnie was mentally ill and extremely paranoid, leaving him beyond the control of reason. Judging by their behaviour and demeanor, both were likely psychopathic and acted without conscience, doing exactly as they wanted and attacking anyone who objected. But they were lovely boys nonetheless and it is such an injustice that the spent the rest of their lives locked up, less able to operate their regime of fear across East London and the West End.
Maurus Krispie Sent their Mum flowers and that.
I agree in general, but the immediate point I think of is that most world leaders these days have done MUCH worse than they ever did. US & UK leaders especially would be locked up for crimes against humanity if the world were just, however it is not.
Remarkable and true. Fxxxing arseholes you left out. Glad you included the suicide of wife. Thankyou
Helen
@@helenwaldron5858 yeah arseholes who kept the east end of London clean, no knife crime no gang warfare. Look what happened when they got locked up and the state of it now.....
You are soft bud I’m sure u were bullied in school lol
crazy being to hear what they sounded like. I have only ever seen photos or actors portray them.
That's what I thought, you now have a voice of the twins! I'm amazed at their calm demeanor, soft spoken well mannered by eyes that follow you like a shark!
Fackin cocknee geezas. They ain't messin arand they mean biznis.
theres a really long interview with Reggie just befre he died you can look up.
@@philpants44 where?
@@lornaharkin2126 “reggie krays final interview” on RUclips
I love how when Reggie and Ronnie was asked about their legal team they both turned instantly.
Yeah it's a twin thing to do that. Both absolutely notorious. But gotta hand it to them for their absolute cheek at going on tv to say their innocent and want to be left alone. People forget these two were murderers and caused many people injuries. They were evil men. Not heroes not film stars. Pure evil. Despite all the suits and glamour
Lorna Harkin they are mostly teens who watched the movie and think “rip legends” when in reality they were disgusting murderers
@@JesusChrist-bq6lu ali zakka. ???
So it was twin telepathy to both turn at the sane time, not the interviewer turning to their lawyer to ask him to answer?
@@silkysmooth4063 my cousins who are identical twins do the same, they almost both feel the same emotion and act the same, kinda creepy
I love the line about nightclubs - “I don’t think there’s any trouble at all in them……except occasionally” 😂
lol
I looked for a comment that said this! So well done for noticing. That's a line out a great comedy film if ever I heard one, made funnier by the fact it's real! Kinda shows how dumb Ronnie was. Reggie not far behind 😂😂
In all my years I've never ever watched anything on these twins or ever heard them speak really. Not what I expected at all, quite sensible & measured. If looks could kill, they did it well & without remorse. Wow!
That is the most Kevin and Perry yes Mrs Patterson voice I've ever heard..
Christ, they're intimidating. Especially Ronnie.
Yes, a cuddly toy is intimidating too.
They arent intimidating
@@ncatboiz8817 they would be when they take your face off with a blow torch
Phil head anyone would be intimidating with a blow torch being used as a weapon.
@@Jaaassaa yh true, they we're still scary blokes though, easy for keyboard warriors to sit there and say they weren't
This what youtube was made for, this is a superb bit of history on film
2021г. Ты живой??? 🤪
@@ТамирланТима 2023 are you alive???
@@davidfitzgerald5110 Yes 😁
I've come here for a fucking shootout
A proper shootout with some proper men
+Classic Mail Like colonel custer and geronimo. You ever heard of em?
Nonces. To a man. Nonces!
+Joe Stewart-Paul "No. 'Cause you were to busy in your pinny baking fucking fairy cakes!"
+Marc V Like a western
Pair of crooks that should have never received that attention
Agreed.
They had several establishment figures in their pocket.
@@WillieM149 Hence why I said crooks , rotten to the core
@@union310I'd take their London over it currently.
I came here for a proper fucking shootout. Like a western.
Nice, great film
@@danielchapmanthefirst Ali zakka ?????
General Custer
No biggie.
Blah blah blah. Legend quote. Blah blah blah
Laverly lads who loved their dear old Ma,Gawd bless em both.
Yeah right 🤣
yep...they lov'd their mum, awwrite..!
My aunty peggy was brought up on the same street the twins mums house was on, she used to tell me stories about how everyone could leave there doors unlocked and there wasnt any trouble because of these two..
We could do that on every social housing estate until the early nineties. Ppl had common decency back then
@@jamiemayday9615or rather, the economic system was better.
Put them in London now.. dead in 20 seconds sadly
@@jamiemayday9615 You've hit the nail on the head there mate 👊
"You could leave your doors unlocked?" Back then, nobody living in Bethnal Green had anything worth stealing!
When they both looked at the lawyer. I'm a twin and we did that often. When people would ask who's the oldest or who's the smartest, or who's the trouble maker, we'd look at mom in synchronization.
It's hilarious them both sitting there like butter wouldn't melt. Ronnie talks like a chartered accountant who's mysteriously been accused of being gangster.
*“What is that?”*
“What do you think puff? It’s a tool”
*“No it’s not it’s a fuckin’ rolling pin”*
This always gets me 😂
Blah blah blah. Legend quote. Blah blah blah
it's poof not puff dipshit
@@macman975 yeah because your reply was so fucking creative
@@thetriggerer8555 It wasn't meant to be. Idiot.
"Who are you? fuckin Fanny Cradock"
Left alone so he can have man sex. With Italian or Greek boys he is not prejudice.
Taxin 24/7 someone’s been watching legend
GamerLax and a Tahitian whom he bent up like a pretzel and he really fucking hurt him
CoralCarne372 lol
Source? So far it just looks like youre writing fanfic.
Not defending. Just curious.
@богатырь Росси́я wow, dont think ive read a fanfic like this on youtube, you should probs be on reddit posting this fairy tale shit
They had it all, and through a stupid act of senseless violence, threw it all away. Ever a fascinating pair.
They were always going to be caught. Charlie Richardson was far smarter than them and he ended up with a 25 year sentence. If they stayed away from violent crime, they would’ve been fine.
@@rahatahmed6188 Aye, they should have just been landlords and that way they could steal money for no work perfectly legally 😁
Amazing how you can be intimidating and respected without raising your voice. Agree with another comment though, trust me this wasnt how they spoke when at work. Still to this day find them extremely fascinating.
Ronald actually looks the more composed of the two, which is contrary to everything known about them.
Just b/c he look it doesn’t mean he was. Ronnie was said to be completely unstable
Reggie probably loaded him up with elephant tranquilizers before going on set.
After his arrest, Ronnie Kray was a Category A prisoner, denied almost all liberties and not allowed to mix with other prisoners. He was eventually certified insane, his paranoid schizophrenia being tempered with constant medication
Nope, he is constantly licking his lips. His mind is working overtime, trying not to fuck up on camera. He is the very opposite of calm...
Clearly they seem like a thoroughly nice pair of chaps who were wrongly accused in this dastardly awful court case, and I for one am proud that British justice prevailed and these men were set free!
yes huzaah!! three cheers for Reggie and Ronnie! clearly two decent chaps much misunderstood
lol
They spent rest of their life after 33 in Jail
They were never set free....that is rubbish.
@@debbiclairejackson2407 One of them was on grounds of having twrminal cancer
Reggie was very dapper and suave. Ronnie had similar looks but not as polished, I think the internal struggles in his head manifested themselves in his appearance. I'll always find these two absolutely facinating, their charisma is almost tangible, it 'jumps' off the screen at you.
True he looks thinner and you can see the worry in his eyes probably put off his off
Insightful
Comments like this highlight that people still fall for the same "charm" that the upper class perverts did, which is what allowed them to get away with terrorising innocent, working people for so many years, not to mention the children who had their lives ruined by the "appetites" of the twins and their capacity for extorting people with similar tastes. The "loveable rogues" pimped out kids to the likes of Lord Boothby, who was very much "charmed" by Ronnie, and also defended the twins in parliament right up to the end, all the while helping them extort their way into the upper rungs of the ruling class.
The fact that people still fall for this sickens me and I think that all of the glorification and mystification that has been shone upon them by the likes of "Legend" and the other films made about them has contributed to this.
If you want to know a bit about what they were really like, watch 'The Gangster and the Pervert Peer' - a Channel 4 documentary that is sometimes on youtube but often taken down. I cannot believe it was even made. It doesn't go into the lowest depths of how these two operated but it shows you enough to help you see through the "superficial charm", as it is called amongst psychopaths.
Not saying that OP was defending them in any way, it just angers me that people talk about their "charisma", how they "loved their mother", with some even going as far as to say that they were a force for good in the east end. Anybody who has had a hand in glamorising these parasites should be ashamed of themselves.
Yes, I have noticed people with mental issues tend to look more aged.
I obviously missed something then
"I would like to be abroad for a short while and then I would like to be left alone" MOOD
my uncle was in leicester prison 1969 -the day they krays got took in, convoy of black marias, air raid sirens sounded through the prison.- everybody in the workshop dropped tools and went to the windows looking. 'its the krays'' he never seen them inside because they were cat A. he loved that story. rip peace uncle pete.
i was in with reggie kray few years before he died
That lawyer just won himself a 10% discount on his protection for a year.
"I'd like to go abroad for a while, then I'd like to be left alone."
Same, babe. Same.
Babe?
@@cybercriminal3110 Both Ronnie + Reggie were gay
🤣🤣🤣 the irony 🤣 of what would happen.
@@um8778 they were bisexual, but what does that have to do with me saying babe??!! :')
@@CaptainAMAZINGGG Ronnie was gay
The good old days
Cheerio
Right you are Ronald, nothing like a bit of gang warfare to lighten things up
Sorry I'm a it busy in hell at the moment maybe another time
Ronnie Kray OK, wanna have my mail address ? BTW U can also find me on GOOGLE +, just give it a try if U want, U R always welcome :D
Ronnie Kray what why ??????????????????????????? don't U like me ?????? i'm like ur biggest fan/groupie :(
I'm am not ronnie kray you took this shit to far you've got problems man
“I’d like to be left alone.”
Got his wish...
“I don’t think there’s any trouble at all in them…except occasionally”😂😂😂
Ok so i came here to refresh after watching the Legend trailer, Tom's Ronnie voice is way too deep...
Agreed
I think the reason they changed the voice was because it made it easier to distinguish between Ron and Reg.
That's exactly what I have just done.
+Yorkshire Lad - Teenage Vlogger yeah Ronnie and Reggie's voice sound extremely close
+Oskadella69 good point.
Innocent? These guys really were delusional. Criminals through and through.
Listen how soft spoken and almost kind Ronnie is but was a homicidal maniac
everyone coming from legend.. that film didn't even come close to giving the story. but then again it didn't have to. great film though 😊
Daniel Vincent Coz you were there of course, shut up you fucking spunk trumpet.
May i steal Spunk Trumpet. Its amazing
shite film
Ron it's pronounced Broadmoor not abroad.
Prounced..... Is PRONOUNCED!!!! JUST SAYING!!!
That was clever
He meant abroad,,,as in far away! A foreign country!
@@GG-yn6jw no shit sherlock!
@@GG-yn6jw As in Thailand lol
"- Ronald, what do you think about clubland of London?
- I think most clubs are very respectable, you know, and I don't think there's any trouble at all in them...
... EXCEPT OCCASIONALLY. "
I once knew a man called Henry buller ward who was a gangster himself and a close associated with the Krays. He was very well known at the time but not nowadays. Anyway he was once stabbed across the face by Reggie Kray because he refused to shoot his friend Tony Mafia which is what the Kray twins wanted him to do for some reason. He survived the knife and he still had the scar which he pointed out to me (he once survived a gun shot as well). He is dead now (he was 93 and he died in 2014) but had quite a past and being stabbed by the Reggie Kray was just one of his stories he escaped from prison, had various very intense hide and seek games with police that were chasing him (he hid in a pre dug grave on one occasion ) broke someone out of a prison in Algeria 🇩🇿 and was hired to shoot an African dictator a as well. They were actually going to make a movie out of him but he wasn’t very keen on the idea there are a couple of books about him as well.
You 'think' he showed you a stab wound on his face? Was it not bloody obvious?
@@Ash__7 Sorry I meant to say I think he showed my dad who knew him more than me. I was very tired when I wrote this. It was obvious I didn’t realise that mark came from a knife 🔪 what I mean to say is the mark that was the result of the knife was pointed out (not showed because as you say that’s bloody obvious). I didn’t word that bit very well my apologies as I say I was very tired at the time
@@Padwarner4452 Thanks for the explanation mate
@@Ash__7 your welcome
@@Padwarner4452 Absolutely Loved ur comment mate I just wish to go back in Time and shake the Krays hand and say what a monumental to London you guys will become
"I'm 'omosexual, Frances. I'm a giver though, not a receiver."
lol
Somehow, I would have thought their voices would be deeper, being raised in the East end of London.
So softly spoken. So polite. Well I believe them. Case dismissed!
The way ron looks you dead in the eyes with such a straight face but is so nice, is scary as fuck knowing the shit they have both done
Who is ron? Of them
@@tanyushkaModenaItaly reggie is on the left and Ron is on the right,
How is it scary? Its fuck all really brother its easy to be feared but its harder to be loved 💯
@@Simmy_NG No it's harder to be feared.. being loved Is easy - to bend your will to everybody else's rules relinquishing your personal power to them as a result...
“ I don’t think there’s any trouble at all in them “ except occasionally 🥴🤣
I can tell the difference in them because of the way Tom Hardy portrayed them, thats amazing
"And Ronald what are you going to do now?"
"Bum as many boys as possible" 😂
David Essex
We know what you get upto then?.
These dudes were the real deal.
Love your comment, I love the krays
I'm too young to remember, but I respect them.
I'm to young too but think there ace , I've read every book written on them
Josephine Girling I need to buy all thier books. I watched the film and now im obsessed. Gotta love these guys
Hi Alisha, the books are really good, can I recommend one by reg kray it's called a way of life, I'm with you got to love a gangster lol x
Interesting that even their own lawyer calls them "men", not "gentlemen" as would have been polite at that time. It says something,,,,
@Charles White Professionals have standards, even lawyers.
ajdale: Didnt notice that, had to watch it again and oh yea..
@Joe Schmo Oh I was thinking more along the lines of their attire- they were both very polished and groomed.
Calling them gentlemen is provably false, which would have put their lawyer lying on camera right before the trial.
*I love how they take turns answering.*
The trial in question relates to the accusation that Ronnie nailed the head of an acquaintance to a coffee table for transgressing the unwritten rule. His desire to go abroad was due to his unsubstantiated belief that a giant hedgehog called Spikey Norman was after him….
"And then he nailed a table to me head."
Spikey Norman is the policeman that was on their case ......true
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Never knew Ronnie kray sounds like joe Pasquale! Helium voice!!!
They were always looking dapper
Everybody in them days looked smart
True that
@@bn.z_x muppet
@@bn.z_x yeah you are a muppet Ben tbf.
there was soo much variety / fashion on the high street dem days.
My dad met my mum in East end of London when the krays were at the peak, they were out n out savages, people went missing and were never seen again they killed more than they were caught for, Ronnie was an absolute lunny tune
Awe what a couple of very lovely guys. So well spoken, pleasant and polite. And then you read this:
Military service
The Krays were called up to do National Service in the British Army in March 1952. Although the pair reported to the depot of the Royal Fusiliers at the Tower of London, they attempted to leave after only a few minutes. When the corporal in charge tried to stop them, he was seriously injured by Ronnie when he punched him on the jaw. The Krays walked back to their East End home. They were arrested the next morning by the police and turned over to the army.[10]
In September while absent without leave (AWOL) again, the twins assaulted a police constable who tried to arrest them. They became among the last prisoners to be held at the Tower of London before being transferred to Shepton Mallet military prison in Somerset for a month to await court-martial. After they were convicted, both were sent to the Buffs' Home Counties Brigade Depot jail in Canterbury, Kent. However, when it became clear they were both to be dishonourably discharged from the army, the Krays' behaviour became worse. They dominated the exercise areas outside their one-man cells, threw tantrums, emptied a latrine bucket over a sergeant, dumped a canteen full of hot tea on another guard, handcuffed a guard to their prison bars with a pair of stolen cuffs and set their bedding on fire.[11][12] Eventually they were moved to a communal cell where they assaulted their guard with a vase and escaped. After being quickly recaptured, they spent their last night in military custody in Canterbury drinking cider, eating crisps and smoking cigarillos courtesy of the young national servicemen acting as their guards. The next day the Krays were transferred to a civilian prison to serve sentences for the crimes they committed while AWOL.
And thats before they went into serious crime in civilian life....
Based
They were nonces
Just copy and pasted from wikipedia mate
@@louismidgley2391 Didnt say I wrote it myself Nobby. Can find the same on many other sources...so it confirms they were pricks.
Just young men having fun
Love the comment that "£80000 is a lot to pay out when one is innocent"
1:00 - You answer this one, if you don't want to be swimming with the fishes.
Reg's face when the interviewer asks Ron a question Haha. He is like, oh shit not now Ron.
😂
I caught that too that little micro-expression of alarm then catches himself and back to calm...
Back in the 60s I would have been 10 when I went to a local street party with my uncle who lived worked as a janitor in east end he had a house within the collage yard .. I went down to London for my holidays each summer with my parents . My uncle was a friend of the twins and Ronnie turned up that day . Never forgot it he seemed a gentleman
good for you i always wanted to meet the Krays
10 years old he probably fancied you
The Piranha Brothers.
I understand he also nailed your wife's head to a coffee table. Isn't that right Mrs O' Tracey?
Mrs O' Tracey: Oh, no. No. No.
Stig: Yeah, well, he did do that. Yeah, yeah. He was a cruel man, but fair. 😂
"I asked if they would mind very much not nailing my head to the floor that week. They agreed, and just screwed my pelvis to a cake stand."
Look,at the criminals we have now in Westminster , far far worse than these gentleman could ever have been
No mate. Equal but different.
"Most clubs are respectable, I don't think there's any trouble in them at all......except occasionally" 😉 class 😂
That smirk on Reggie’s face when the lawyer is talking. “Fuckin’ av sum o’ that.”
Correspondent: "Ronald, what would you like to do?"
Ronnie: "I'd like to be left alone."
😂
Gawd bless em! All they ever done was nail me head to the floor...
what! not the comfy chair?
Look up, "Ethel the Frog" a Monty Python sketch about the Pyranha brothers parodying the Krays/Richardsons. Very funny.
I knew the Krays , I also watched England beat Gernany at Wembley Stadium 1966 & saw the Sex Pistols at the 100 club in 1976. I am also a chief bullshiter 😂
It's mad to thing Ron had already killed cornel at this point
No he didnt
It's mad to think you can't spell.
neil hilton This interview was from '64 or '65 but Ronnie shot George Cornell on 9th March '66. The Blind Beggar pub is still there although much altered since the shooting.
Keith Kent I’ve heard the bullet holes are still in the walls and ceiling, is that true?
Mark Pitt not really you old fart 💨
00:59 They turned because the interviewer repeated the question and this time was asking the lawyer, not them.
i love how you can tell which is Reggie and which is Ronald just by their appearances, pose and stature
They were twins,dude
@@tanyushkaModenaItaly They don't look like identical twins, I could always tell them apart.
@@MrRQBQ they look identical
@@tanyushkaModenaItaly you can tell them apart though, Ronnie had a more chubbier face, and Reggie had very squinty eyes
@@michaelcain721 nope they are the same
The way they both look at the lawyer 😂
he was probably terrified of them lol
Reggie looks like he's weighing up whether the interviewer is in need of a good clump lol
Nah he's wondering if he'd should offer him a cigarette I think....broken jaw to follow though as smoking is bad for your health.
That Ronald such a well spoken gentleman he comes across as
hahah. A paranoid schizophrenic walks into a bar...
Most men were back in those days. A time when you took pride in your approach and appearance. Compare them to the wet blankets that consider themselves men these days
Today's make criminals have their tracksuit pants hanging under their butt cheeks and a hood over their faces.
Without knowing anything else, the one on the left is really good looking, sweet and charming.
@@pigeonlove he was a good looking dude
I'd like to go abroad and be left alone.
Yeah story of my life Ron I feel ya there 😂
interesting old accents from all of them including interviewer
cockney
you think so? its cockney attempting to sound gentlemanly with a few hints of gay in there it's not street urchin cockney. The interviewer is smart arse posh for the time but the Lawyer sounds prewar notice the way he rolls his rrs. but thanks for the instruction Haz
and by the way what would be considered cockney today is quite different and its only 50 years ago
prince charmless cockney is starting to fade away now :( my grandparents have a cockney accent but it's probably gonna be gone in 50 years time or so
Received Pronunciation
That's the who's point of having a lawyer there: to answer questions about the law that's why they're called LAWYERS
Does it leave you broke? reggie's face at 0:16. Then he realizes he's on TV
So Ruthlez good spot
@@Harrisongarrison0800 why
Eh
Nowt happens
It’s disgusting how the government harassed them, they should of let them run our country from 10 Downing st, we wouldn’t be in the mess our country is in now, OH TO HAVE THE KRAYS BACK !!!!!!!
What utter bollocks
I love how they take turns talking
Why are these two trying to copy Tom hardy?
Yea I want to know that as well, remember in the day when people were original?
Nearly all documentaries about Krays doesn't mention that east London was a devastated place after WWII. It was ruined physically, socially and economically.
Boys from East London that period had very few chances to have higher education, to be successful and respectful. Krays grew up at this place at this time. They knew that their future would be probably be upright, boring and poor. They chose to be famous and rich, the easy and fast way. They succeeded that for more than a decade until their fall.
As far as I know from books and documentaries they were violent only inside their criminal circles. Everybody knew that they were gangsters during 50's and 60's. The derelict East London was a fine breeding ground for gangsters. They didn't harm the general public and actually helped many poor east Londoners in great need. That's why they were admire and respected in east London.
Famous gangsters in Britain and USA are always appealing to the general public no matter how violent they are. Violence is the trademark of their way of life. During late 60's London and Britain was changing. Britain was healing from the poor housing, the food rationing and rise of criminality the indigence and WWII brought. Krays didn't have a place on the reformed 70's and 80's. With the first chance the establishment neutralized both of them for good.
Better them than the various gangs of African and local London "youf" who throw Acid to burn your face off to steal your I phone
Yeah, they were peaceful lads, never hurt anyone who didn't have it coming (or didn't get out of their way, or hold a door for them, or looked at Reggies girlfriend)..... "not at all, except occaisionally"!
From the accounts of the couple of people I've met who knew the Krays, they were highly unstable. One put it like this. "If you went to their house you were never sure if they were going to make you a cup of tea or slit your throat."
If that were really true then the person who said it wouldn't have lived to tell the tale tbf
Or maybe he did got his cup of tea 😁
Those are the scariest type. I have known one or two. The thing is they are the ones that get caught, sooner or later.
probably be fine with them if you're polite and treat them with respect but get in their bad books and...
And who are all these people you know then?.
Even the gangsters of the past were more articulate than many of the so-called celebrities these days.
Celebrities are payed for being inarticulate in front of cameras, and they are probably more civilised behind the scenes.
These criminals are barbarians behind the scenes but have to look like good boys in front of cameras.
@@martonk Celebraties These Days Are Free Masons That Makes Them Even Worse...
The more I look into these kids, the more I see how fictional 'Legend' is.
***** I can't recall. Ill have to go back into it. I should probably just delete the comment.
No mate. These lads were worse than depicted. They really diluted their ruthlessness
Just read up on what they did before this and you will understand. Nudge nudge wink wink.
Hannibal I didn't like the way Reggie's abusive relationship and the suicide of his then wife was handled in the film. The film was distasteful and glorified what were nothing more than petty criminals and deranged sadists.
E.T. "fictional"?? You know Legend is a film, right???? Nothing's ever gonna capture real life 110%
That was a lot of money. Luckily they were able to put in many good, honest, days work to pay for it!
£80k in those days was a huge sum considering you could buy a new 4 bed house in London for £740
Not sure what year this is but in 1965 £80k is over 1 million in today's money according to the Bank of England inflation calculator
Just listened again, he said 8 thousand pounds not 80 thousand.
Reggie blinking like a strobe light.