Honor wasn't necessarily a trait of the Starks. Ned inherited that through his fostering in the Vale by Jon Arryn. Before the conquest the Starks were the Kings of Winter, and they fought many wars against the houses that now serve as their bannermen. Winter is Coming was a threat, not a warning.
@@timovangalen1589This. Although the importance of honour was important, it was not their utmost priority. These are hardened people born to live through hard times where any coming winter would mean the certain death for many of the Northerners. The Starks saw to it that their people had enough to be fed, by any means necessary
You don't know anything about the Starks 1- Ned stark was more of an Arryn than a stark, it was Jon Arryn who raised him and raised him. Ned knew he wasn't a typical stark, his brother and sister were typical stark and he says they had wolf blood that's why they died early. 2- Starks have great self-confidence and courage . Starks have ego, their honor comes from their ego, just like other northerners. We saw this best in GreatJon Umber in the series, so Starks act like Jon Umber. but the starks were more knowledgeable, intelligent and cultured than other northerners, they were winter kings before, they were architects, they united the whole north, they built the wall It is thought that the person who is thought to be the architect Brandon is not a single person, but actually a large generation, that is, many Starks were also architects as well as kings. 3- Yes, the Starks keep their promises, but this does not mean that they are calm, never goes back on his word and silent like Ned. They were not idiots who would threaten the entire north for a southerner. Even Robert Baratheon was more of a Stark than Ned. Ned Stark already compared his elder brother to Robert Baratheon. Also Ned elder brother took Barbrey Dustin virginty. Its not honarable movement Additionally, the Starks despise Southerners due to their beliefs and culture.
I wanted to love him but his acting was horrible. He was monotone and bland and I had to turn on subtitles due to his awful diction. I can't be the only one that cringed by his performance.
Funny thing is, it's not really the "fantasy Northman" thing at all. It's just Sean Bean's accent. He refused to have a more generic Brit accent and just spoke in his own native accent so they just made every Northerner speak like that. So one actor's refusal to have a pretend accent made sure that every actor who'll ever play a Northerner in this universe will have to, in perpetuity.
The line "Do you think my ancestors built a 700 foot wall of ice to keep out snow and savages?" really hits home. If humans generations and generations before you all came together and built something like... they probably didn't do it for no good reason. There was definitely something horrifying north of the wall. Strange how characters seem to dismiss it. I understood that's intentional, for dramatic purposes from a writing perspective. But still. That line was perfect.
They all knew what it was but the knowledge faded overtime, with war, famine, lack of literacy history can disappear very quickly. And In a time period past the high of magic, it was out of fear of the unknown. From the limited lore we have, asoiaf world seems to be set in a magical post-apocalyptic time where people don't even believe that magic was that powerful. That conjuring fireballs, illusions and warding spells like the ones imbuing the wall was the best they could do. While not as grandiose as most verses, its prime magic level seemed to be a less powerful version than that of Harry Potter. They used Blood & Flesh Warping magic to create Dragons, by just setting that George directly indicated the level of power of his verse. 100 to 200 years after the time asoiaf nobody would believe that magic or Dragons ever existed and it would be identical to our real life medieval time.
It's too bad the Game of Thrones prequel Blood Moon was canceled. It was going to take place so long ago that dragons didn't even exist yet and was going to focus on the Starks and the history of the White Walkers. It would have been nice to learn and see more about what caused them to build a 700 foot tall wall of ice.
ned dismissed them on the outside. But at heart he knew better.
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@@saetheturkExactly, dragons don't exist anymore (except for Danys's which most people don't know about yet) people rarely believes in these stories, Cregan knows about dragons and apparently has seen more stuff that Ned never ever fancied to see
Cregan needed to get back to Winterfell to help his people through the winter, but I wish he would’ve stayed to help protect Aegon III a bit longer and help him.
I know its not happenig this season but I cant wait for The Lads to appear ... probably my personal favourite characters introduced in Fire & Blood. Not some super well-known knights or some excellent strategist, just some ordinary kids thrown into a bloody war.
I love how even Jacaerys feels the mysteriousness of the land beyond The Wall. His voice gets low and quiet as if sapped out of him. Great acting. Great directing.
I’m so fascinated by the fact that Sean Bean made the entire north have a Yorkshire accent. Kit Harrington and Maisie Williams both commented on changing their accents to replicate his and it’s apparently stuck with Tom Taylor as well. Just a cool fact and excellent continuity from the showrunners.
Kit Harrington and Maisie Williams changing accents to replicate Sean Bean's somehow sounds so cute! Specially when you remember how young Maisie was back then.
I mean it just makes sense in universe that the north would have a different way of talking than the south given how different lives can be and how long the history of Westeros goes on for.
What is it about the Starks that just makes them immediately likeable? Even when he's the great, great, great, great granddaddy of the Starks we know and love in Game of Thrones, he just oozes that familiar warm (and cold) Stark energy. Exceptional job by the actor.
The Queen sent her eldest son to Cregan Stark assuming they would bond over their youth. Jace ended up meeting the Grim, Mature and Just Wolf who became a man at 16 when his own Uncle and 3 cousins tried to take the North from him. Cregan also lost his wife a year prior to the Dance of the Dragons. Thats why he is the way he is. Being betrayed by his blood and losing his love all by the age of 21.
Love Cregan Stark, while stoic, he has a good heart and an underlying warmth, with a friendliness to Jaecerys. They actually seem like they could be buddies.
They actually were great friends according to the book, they even swore an oath to each other. Sadly they cut that part out which will make further events a bit underwhelming
@@labowdaq118 That really is a shame, I can feel incredible chemistry between these two characters just from the scene alone and there's a lot more depth that could have been shown.
It felt so good to be back home at Winterfell. The opening scene was just emotional and it was so wonderful to see Lord Cregan carrying the Stark ancestry sword Ice. And this scene was super nostalgic.
Yea, that's the cheap lead for the folks like you. Cause I can't imagine for what other reason, than just to cheaply remind who this is, they made him to carry it the whole time.
You have to admire how good Jace is at being a diplomat and negotiator. He's so good at being a prince. He managed to get two houses on his side during his travels.
True, but the Arryns were already pretty likely to support Rhaenyra since Rhaenyra is also an Arryn on her mother’s side. Also the current head of House Arryn was a woman so Rhaenyra on the throne will strengthen her own claim. Probably an easier sell than Lord Borros. Jace is still a natural leader though
I like that they pointed out that Jaehaerys and Alysanne's dragons refused to cross the wall even though for some reason Daenerys' dragons did cross it. I guess they're pretending the last couple of seasons of GOT don't exist as much as we are.
ok but look what happened when they decided to cross. it might not have been about magic, not wanting to cross the wall, but wisdom, which probably the older dragons had more of.
Except jaehaerys didn't fly vermithor beyond the wall, it was alysanne and silver wing who did when she was hosted by the northerners when jaehaerys couldn't attend to the north due to issues in kingslanding.
I love that somewhere along the way Westeros changed. Here Cregan clearly knows about the White Walkers and there’s even a tradition on how to send real fighters to The Wall, yet at some point it just kind of got lost.
I love how mature and stern cregan is here, even before the age of 21, he had to over throw an uncle and 3 cousins who tried to steal the north from him, and just a year prior to this, his beloved wife (and childhood sweetheart) Arya Norry died giving birth to their son Rickon
@@joeelliott1647they butchered that arc in the later season of GoT, it would just annoy people seeing that stuff again after learning how pointless and easy the “night king” and his “army of the dead” really are… they need to retcon season 6 7 and 8 of GoT but they never will
@@joeelliott1647We won't see him and we shouldn't. He has nothing to do with this story and shoehorned him in would just be fan service. The references are enough
@@joeelliott1647 absolutely not. The Night King isn't even a character in the books, and the best thing they can do is stay as far away from the direction Game of Thrones show took in its latter half.
@@Cameron-up3vp as others have said, the long night itself should have been the majority of a season to a season long. We should’ve had a season we remember as the season of the long night. I’m sure HBO were as mad as we were because that would’ve been an epic season that would’ve made game of thrones even more popular and relevant.
it is really a win win for cregan actually. winter is coming. so he will have food problem. by sending his men to south, he will solve his food problem because there will be less mouth to fed. and he will honor his fathers oath.
Too bad that Ice is way too small. Google "ned stark holding ice", you'll see how freakish huge that weapon was. This thing on Cregan's back is a toothpick.
So good, a visit to the wall was never in the book for Cregan and Jace but it’s change I welcome. It feels so significant especially considering Aegons prophecy though I’m assuming Jace hasn’t had it passed to him yet. Loved this. Cregan talking of the Alysanne and Jaeharerys and their dragons refusing to cross the wall, (some theories suggest the magic in the wall or they feel the presence of the Others and are afraid), such a good call back and representation of ASOIAF lore, I hint of retconning the later seasons of GOW well for me personally. “Do you think my ancestors built a 700ft wall of ice to keep out snow and savages?” God I loved that line and really it should have been asked more after even hinting toward the Others. And then to hear that familiar eerie music, I got such goosebumps, even watching the scene looking beyond the wall you don’t know what is out there but I reckon you get the feeling there is something dark out there in the cold and dark. My favourite part of the episode all honestly
It makes me wonder if the Starks’ belief in the Wall was reinforced or rejuvenated by Aegon’s prophecy - Torrhen knelt because Aegon shared his vision. The Targaryens never meddled in the North, just let the Starks do what they do best in the North. The Starks remained loyal until Aerys. But after Aerys, any Stark who might have known about the prophecy was dead.
Its great to see Starks and the Wall again after so many years, love they are respect each other. The way Cregan said "Death", technically speaking, I should have goosebumps. Pity.....
The Stark music and the patience to have the crow fly through fjords before casting the camera over Winterfell, Cregan's delivery, the genuine fear of Winter, and everything it brings, the reference to Vermathor and Silverwing fearing whatever lay north of the wall. 90% of what I think is 'perfection', the other 10% is, 'imagine they kept this care for season 8'.
1:04 this monologue was a great throwback to the early seasons of GOT, which did such a good job of establishing an ominous atmosphere surrounding the north of the wall and the white walkers. Shame that the anticipation of their attack was more engaging than their actual attack but at least we get another profoundly chilling monologue hyping them up.
@@officialtbhoops The worst part is they are often wrong too. Show has diverged massively from the books when it comes to key scenes and character motivations.
@@officialtbhoops Dance of the Dragons dialogue in GOT and history and lore videos have been around for a decade. People aren't going to stop talking about it just because there's now a show. It's not the same as when GOT came out.
If only the stark and the targs exchanged notes. Cregan really seems to be very dutiful. Like the first Aegon, Cregan knows that his family’s rule is because of a bigger threat.
Maybe one day in the future, when the book series is long done and and we're all old, A Song of Ice and Fire will get a visual media representation worthy of it.
When I see the scenes that include Winterfell and the Wall, iconic settings in "Game of Thrones", I start to think about how season 7, especially 8, could have been if they had taken the time and dedication that we've seen so far in "House of the Dragon".
I’ve heard people complain about Cregan needing his army to defend against the wall because no one knows the white walkers exist. But remember it’s almost 150 before Game of Thrones. The legends would be stronger and maybe the knowledge the Starks had was lost over time.
I love how this show is being far more book accurate than GOT ever was. For example Ice being on Cregan's back. The lore with Queen Alysanne was good too. She loved the watch.
1:06-1:38 I love how you can faintly hear the theme used for the White Walkers in the background. Not only is it beautiful but it just adds a new level of foreboding for what to come in the future.
The night king was out there active you can just tell in and out of “sleep” night king knew he couldn’t strike yet as many dragons and armies could take him down plus much more Valyrian swords on the scene.
I'll be forever grateful to hbo for casting Tom Taylor as Cregan Stark. HE'S PERFECT. Everything screams STARK, especially his deep voice 🥵🥵🥵🥵to whoever complained and is still complaining about him being too young for the role, remember that Cregan is 21 when the dance of the dragons starts, and Tom Taylor is 23, so he's more fit than any fancast 40-45 year old man P. S I felt so much chemistry between them. It's evident that Harry Collett and Tom Taylor are friends irl
"His grace stood at this very outlook and watched as their dragons, the greatest power in the world, refused to cross it." Even when they don't appear anywhere in the story, the threat of the White Walkers looms. You can feel their presence. A shame the knowledge Cregan had eventually become nothing more than old stories for his descendants.
Except for Robb the fkn idiot! He is the reason half his family were killed and changed what happened in the story. I know it was at the authors behest but… Robb Stark is a fkn idiot! lol
I really do believe the Starks had passed down knowledge of the reason the wall was built by Brandon the Builder and why they had ensured the wall was manned at all times. And that the reason is why Torhhen Stark bent the knee as Aegons Dream of the horror to come from the North matched what had been passed down. The knowledge was lost when Ned a second son, inherited Winterfell as Rickard and his heir Brandon were killed at the same time.
The view at 1:00 and Cregan saying that the wall is to protect them from death reminds me of the end of season 7 when the white walkers and wights emerged from those trees at that very view. Gave me the chills.
i notice that jace is talking then stop when he see the vast of land beyond the wall. nice touch. i also like that cregan is smarter then anyone. he realize that you don't build something that big and powerful only to keep the weather and wildlings out.
When I saw the stills of Tom Taylor as Cregan Stark, I wasn't quite sure about him, he looked a bit fresh faced. I know Cregan is only 21 here, and 23 during the Hour of the Wolf, but he's described as formidable, and that whenever he walked into the room, the Lads found him intimidating, and he reminded Bloody Ben Blackwood that he was just 13, despite having fought Borros Baratheon at the Battle of the Kingsroad. But that look he gave at 1:33 had me convinced he was the guy to play Cregan. But hopefully, they'll have him grow a beard for when he appears for the Hour of the Wolf, make him look a bit older and weathered, compared to the Lads.
1:40 those thousands of greybeards will become known as a badass fighting force called the Winter Wolves lead by Roderick Dustin from House Dustin aka Roddy the Ruin. Fight hard they will!
Stark: *appears*
Me: I don't know who you are, but you're my new favorite character
Yup
Unfortunately, he doesn't RE-appear until the end of the story. But he makes his mark there.
@@lluewhyn Yeah, they said he won't show up again this season, not in any meaningful way anyways, saving him for season 3
He is arguably the #1 Stark of all time
Theon Stark wouldn't be too happy about that@@yugiohdude1232
You can truly tell Cregan is a Stark. Honorable, dutiful, just, very direct and doesn't tolerate deceit, etc.
Honor wasn't necessarily a trait of the Starks. Ned inherited that through his fostering in the Vale by Jon Arryn. Before the conquest the Starks were the Kings of Winter, and they fought many wars against the houses that now serve as their bannermen. Winter is Coming was a threat, not a warning.
@@timovangalen1589This. Although the importance of honour was important, it was not their utmost priority. These are hardened people born to live through hard times where any coming winter would mean the certain death for many of the Northerners. The Starks saw to it that their people had enough to be fed, by any means necessary
And still, they made him to carry Ice the whole time, just to remind the dumbest who this is. Riddiculous.
You don't know anything about the Starks
1- Ned stark was more of an Arryn than a stark, it was Jon Arryn who raised him and raised him. Ned knew he wasn't a typical stark, his brother and sister were typical stark and he says they had wolf blood that's why they died early.
2- Starks have great self-confidence and courage . Starks have ego, their honor comes from their ego, just like other northerners. We saw this best in GreatJon Umber in the series, so Starks act like Jon Umber. but the starks were more knowledgeable, intelligent and cultured than other northerners, they were winter kings before, they were architects, they united the whole north, they built the wall
It is thought that the person who is thought to be the architect Brandon is not a single person, but actually a large generation, that is, many Starks were also architects as well as kings.
3- Yes, the Starks keep their promises, but this does not mean that they are calm, never goes back on his word and silent like Ned. They were not idiots who would threaten the entire north for a southerner.
Even Robert Baratheon was more of a Stark than Ned. Ned Stark already compared his elder brother to Robert Baratheon. Also Ned elder brother took Barbrey Dustin virginty. Its not honarable movement
Additionally, the Starks despise Southerners due to their beliefs and culture.
Cregan would not be as soft as Ned was
A man barely appeared for 3 minutes and yet becomes everyones favorite
It’s just nice seeing House Stark again
Same
Not me tho
@@Killerkwoi13 man it was nice to hear House Stark theme once more
I wanted to love him but his acting was horrible. He was monotone and bland and I had to turn on subtitles due to his awful diction. I can't be the only one that cringed by his performance.
Cregan walking around with Ice on his back and giving the prince a tour of the wall was damn satisfying to watch!!
it was good to see ice again
It’s a shame that it will be split in two by the Lannisters. One of them even has an edgy cringe name of “Widow’s Wail”.
@@nont18411 at least one of them has a badass name of "Oathkeeper".
@@radityafauzanilmi4219Which was given to the kingslayer or the 'Oath-Breaker' ,quite the irony there
Cregan was one of the greatest swordsmen of his era.
I love that they're really laying on the Yorkshire-sounding accent with Cregan. Really drives home the fantasy northmen theme.
yes!!! i love how he sounds
Funny thing is, it's not really the "fantasy Northman" thing at all. It's just Sean Bean's accent. He refused to have a more generic Brit accent and just spoke in his own native accent so they just made every Northerner speak like that. So one actor's refusal to have a pretend accent made sure that every actor who'll ever play a Northerner in this universe will have to, in perpetuity.
Yes but we still like the idea that they're Yorkshiremen, Yorkshire is a great part of history culturally speaking. It works well@@hazarozgen6508
@erosion271 yeah I wasn't complaining. It's just an interesting trivia.
Could have actually given the part to someone from the North who wouldn't have to put on an accent.
The line "Do you think my ancestors built a 700 foot wall of ice to keep out snow and savages?" really hits home. If humans generations and generations before you all came together and built something like... they probably didn't do it for no good reason. There was definitely something horrifying north of the wall. Strange how characters seem to dismiss it. I understood that's intentional, for dramatic purposes from a writing perspective. But still. That line was perfect.
They all knew what it was but the knowledge faded overtime, with war, famine, lack of literacy history can disappear very quickly. And In a time period past the high of magic, it was out of fear of the unknown. From the limited lore we have, asoiaf world seems to be set in a magical post-apocalyptic time where people don't even believe that magic was that powerful. That conjuring fireballs, illusions and warding spells like the ones imbuing the wall was the best they could do.
While not as grandiose as most verses, its prime magic level seemed to be a less powerful version than that of Harry Potter. They used Blood & Flesh Warping magic to create Dragons, by just setting that George directly indicated the level of power of his verse. 100 to 200 years after the time asoiaf nobody would believe that magic or Dragons ever existed and it would be identical to our real life medieval time.
It's too bad the Game of Thrones prequel Blood Moon was canceled. It was going to take place so long ago that dragons didn't even exist yet and was going to focus on the Starks and the history of the White Walkers. It would have been nice to learn and see more about what caused them to build a 700 foot tall wall of ice.
@@Maglors_griefyep. I’d like to know more about the first men and children of the forest.
apply this logic to the pyramids of egypt. na just a place they wanted to keep some corpses
@@italianmiltyfriedman6264 do you think their ancestors built a 481 ft stack of stone to keep corpses from us?
You can tell Cregan really believes the stories, Ned dismissed the stories. It's a great contrast.
Don't forget that this takes place 200 years before the events of Game of Thrones. 200 years is long enough to turn realities to myths
ned dismissed them on the outside. But at heart he knew better.
@@saetheturkExactly, dragons don't exist anymore (except for Danys's which most people don't know about yet) people rarely believes in these stories, Cregan knows about dragons and apparently has seen more stuff that Ned never ever fancied to see
@@kevinfelix2543 ned was inarguably an idiot compared to the likes of cregan
a good man but an idiot
@@saetheturkI think it just depends on the Lord at the time. Some Starks will be more cynical than others before or after.
Benjicot Blackwood - "Half your men will die, Lord Stark"
Cregan Stark - "They died the day we marched, boy"
my favorite line in the book
Corlys V- " you come too late, my lord. for the war is done and king his death.
Cregen Stark- " by whose hand and whose words, i wonder.....
Cregan needed to get back to Winterfell to help his people through the winter, but I wish he would’ve stayed to help protect Aegon III a bit longer and help him.
@@xGrizzle_editz he literally arrived South to fix the messes everyone left behind...poor guy
I know its not happenig this season but I cant wait for The Lads to appear ... probably my personal favourite characters introduced in Fire & Blood. Not some super well-known knights or some excellent strategist, just some ordinary kids thrown into a bloody war.
“Half your men will die, my lord”
“They died the day they marched south, boy.”
- The wolf, Cregan Stark
can’t wait to see benjcot 😮💨😮💨😮💨😮💨😮💨 dude is a savage. Isn’t he the one of the mains who destroy baratheons army?
@@joeelliott1647 him and the tully bros. the lads are awesome
I love how even Jacaerys feels the mysteriousness of the land beyond The Wall. His voice gets low and quiet as if sapped out of him. Great acting. Great directing.
''Do you think my ancestors built a 700f wall of ice to keep out snow and savages?'' chills
@@Berserk096-z6vIt was to keep out a minor threat that was defeated in one night
I’m so fascinated by the fact that Sean Bean made the entire north have a Yorkshire accent. Kit Harrington and Maisie Williams both commented on changing their accents to replicate his and it’s apparently stuck with Tom Taylor as well.
Just a cool fact and excellent continuity from the showrunners.
Kit Harrington and Maisie Williams changing accents to replicate Sean Bean's somehow sounds so cute! Specially when you remember how young Maisie was back then.
@@MrDibara All the kids on set treated him like an uncle/father figure. They probably heard him talk like that and went "That's how we should talk".
When he played Sharpe his portrayal made Bernard Cornwell add a bigger backstory to the character and include he was from York because of the accent.
I mean it just makes sense in universe that the north would have a different way of talking than the south given how different lives can be and how long the history of Westeros goes on for.
Ehhh isn't that exactly how it should be, seeing how the show is inspired by British history? So northeners have British northern accents?
What is it about the Starks that just makes them immediately likeable? Even when he's the great, great, great, great granddaddy of the Starks we know and love in Game of Thrones, he just oozes that familiar warm (and cold) Stark energy. Exceptional job by the actor.
The showrunners know, who we (the audience) holds allegiance to
Because of their calm presence and wise attitude, they look serious but their eyes listen deep, good job from the actor indeed
Stark characters design in a way that one can instinctively trust
“Death” was such a cold line.
@THEINVISIBLEWARRIORR 🤣🤣🤣
So no place where winter fell?
@@jb-zn7ke are you mental?
@THEINVISIBLEWARRIORR I know it 💀😭. Still sucks because we know how it ends. But it’s not over yet. There has been more than one long night.
@@jb-zn7ke cry more
The Queen sent her eldest son to Cregan Stark assuming they would bond over their youth. Jace ended up meeting the Grim, Mature and Just Wolf who became a man at 16 when his own Uncle and 3 cousins tried to take the North from him. Cregan also lost his wife a year prior to the Dance of the Dragons. Thats why he is the way he is. Being betrayed by his blood and losing his love all by the age of 21.
What does dance of the dragons have to do with his wife death?
@@e-direwolf7392as said, his wife died BEFORE
@@arvinroidoatienza7082 i can be his second wife🥰🥰🥰
Cregan and Black Aly Blackwood are my favorite couple in the ASOIAF universe
How? @@theblackpearlofbraavos
Love Cregan Stark, while stoic, he has a good heart and an underlying warmth, with a friendliness to Jaecerys. They actually seem like they could be buddies.
They actually were great friends according to the book, they even swore an oath to each other. Sadly they cut that part out which will make further events a bit underwhelming
@@labowdaq118 That really is a shame, I can feel incredible chemistry between these two characters just from the scene alone and there's a lot more depth that could have been shown.
@@Nicholas_Chen_ totally agree!
Cregan really valued honor and loyalty, It showed in this scene
I wish we saw more of him and Jacaerys s friendship but I gues they still have time for that
@@HK-gm8pe Next season probably. i Hope.
I’m looking forward to him coming back after the dance of the dragons is over
That's the basic trait in most of the starks
The scene is not even 3 minutes long and I’m already sold on Tom Taylor as Cregan. He’s going to do a brilliant job
It felt so good to be back home at Winterfell. The opening scene was just emotional and it was so wonderful to see Lord Cregan carrying the Stark ancestry sword Ice. And this scene was super nostalgic.
Made me nostalgic af 😭
Hearing the Stark theme brought a tear to my eye
Yea, that's the cheap lead for the folks like you. Cause I can't imagine for what other reason, than just to cheaply remind who this is, they made him to carry it the whole time.
@@ohinek007 heal lol
@@ohinek007cry more
The White Walkers theme playing. They may not be in the House of the Dragon, but you can definitely feel their presence.
I didn't even notice that.
Aye. Too bad they turned out to be cliche marvel villains. I found them genuinely terrifying in earlier seasons.
@@andrewclark8880d and d ruined them so badly
@@andrewclark8880 Grey Worm does not agree with that.
@@whoschach LOL what do you mean?
Cregan narrating the beginning of the episode gave me so much chills. Also that nostalgic music and shot of Winterfell 😭❤️
This may be House of the Dragon but “the North remembers.”
Selectively, yes xd.
You have to admire how good Jace is at being a diplomat and negotiator. He's so good at being a prince. He managed to get two houses on his side during his travels.
Meanwhile Luke:
> Failed to get Baratheon's support
> Died in the process
> Officially kickstarted the war
😂
@@jmpacinos9209I dont like Luke but you’re really blaming him for dying and not Aemond who killed him??
@@jmpacinos9209 Why are you blaming a boy just because he died, murdered by his petty uncle?
True, but the Arryns were already pretty likely to support Rhaenyra since Rhaenyra is also an Arryn on her mother’s side. Also the current head of House Arryn was a woman so Rhaenyra on the throne will strengthen her own claim. Probably an easier sell than Lord Borros. Jace is still a natural leader though
The Ironic part is that Luc’s route was supposed to be the safest
I like that they pointed out that Jaehaerys and Alysanne's dragons refused to cross the wall even though for some reason Daenerys' dragons did cross it.
I guess they're pretending the last couple of seasons of GOT don't exist as much as we are.
It's really hard to believe D&D were fans of the books after watching their fanfics.
Not me defending d&d but Alysanne's story is in fire and blood which came out in 2018, while the episode you're referring to aired in 2017
as far as i know, Daenerys' dargons crossed over from the sea by the side of the wall.
ok but look what happened when they decided to cross. it might not have been about magic, not wanting to cross the wall, but wisdom, which probably the older dragons had more of.
Except jaehaerys didn't fly vermithor beyond the wall, it was alysanne and silver wing who did when she was hosted by the northerners when jaehaerys couldn't attend to the north due to issues in kingslanding.
I love that somewhere along the way Westeros changed. Here Cregan clearly knows about the White Walkers and there’s even a tradition on how to send real fighters to The Wall, yet at some point it just kind of got lost.
Simply due to the passing of time. People stopped believing in the threat, even in the North.
@@officialtbhoops The sands of time bury everything if left unchecked
Just like the Targaryens and the song of ice and fire
200 years is a long time. 100 years is just one generation so it makes due. But 200?
@@haziq12ish 100 years isn't one generation, it's three to five
I love how mature and stern cregan is here, even before the age of 21, he had to over throw an uncle and 3 cousins who tried to steal the north from him, and just a year prior to this, his beloved wife (and childhood sweetheart) Arya Norry died giving birth to their son Rickon
Don't forget he too also lost a younger brother so he pity's jace after reading the note.
God dahm does is feel good to finally see a stark again
cregan's accenttttt, music to my ears
It might have impregnated me. I am a man.
Yorkshire accent is peak
@@YodaOnABender it is! definitely one of my favorite accents from england!
@@shashwat4887 you're so real
It the north accent
The white walkers may don't appear in this show, but the fact that you know that they're out there is chilling
there’s just no way we’re not gonna see the night king. He’s active during this time for sure
@@joeelliott1647they butchered that arc in the later season of GoT, it would just annoy people seeing that stuff again after learning how pointless and easy the “night king” and his “army of the dead” really are… they need to retcon season 6 7 and 8 of GoT but they never will
@@joeelliott1647We won't see him and we shouldn't. He has nothing to do with this story and shoehorned him in would just be fan service. The references are enough
@@joeelliott1647 absolutely not. The Night King isn't even a character in the books, and the best thing they can do is stay as far away from the direction Game of Thrones show took in its latter half.
@@Cameron-up3vp as others have said, the long night itself should have been the majority of a season to a season long. We should’ve had a season we remember as the season of the long night. I’m sure HBO were as mad as we were because that would’ve been an epic season that would’ve made game of thrones even more popular and relevant.
"...their dragons, the greatest power in the world - refused to cross it".
*spine tingled*
Alysanne's dragon - Silverwing refused to cross the Wall three times in the books. It's the only time she refused her riders command.
@@Frenki94Here's the scariest part: The dragons know the Others exist...
it is really a win win for cregan actually. winter is coming. so he will have food problem. by sending his men to south, he will solve his food problem because there will be less mouth to fed. and he will honor his fathers oath.
Hearing the Yorkshire accent in shows like this never gets old
I like that they had him carrying ice on his back
Too bad that Ice is way too small. Google "ned stark holding ice", you'll see how freakish huge that weapon was. This thing on Cregan's back is a toothpick.
@@henriksti2Cregan makes it look small maybe?
@@Warsm1th12 Unless Cregan is 3 meters tall, it makes no sense.
@@henriksti2 he is. Absolute unit of a man
@@Warsm1th12 lmfao okay you got me 🤣
Cregan Stark carrying ICE on his back is such a cool detail 🔥
So good, a visit to the wall was never in the book for Cregan and Jace but it’s change I welcome. It feels so significant especially considering Aegons prophecy though I’m assuming Jace hasn’t had it passed to him yet.
Loved this. Cregan talking of the Alysanne and Jaeharerys and their dragons refusing to cross the wall, (some theories suggest the magic in the wall or they feel the presence of the Others and are afraid), such a good call back and representation of ASOIAF lore, I hint of retconning the later seasons of GOW well for me personally.
“Do you think my ancestors built a 700ft wall of ice to keep out snow and savages?” God I loved that line and really it should have been asked more after even hinting toward the Others. And then to hear that familiar eerie music, I got such goosebumps, even watching the scene looking beyond the wall you don’t know what is out there but I reckon you get the feeling there is something dark out there in the cold and dark.
My favourite part of the episode all honestly
It makes me wonder if the Starks’ belief in the Wall was reinforced or rejuvenated by Aegon’s prophecy - Torrhen knelt because Aegon shared his vision. The Targaryens never meddled in the North, just let the Starks do what they do best in the North. The Starks remained loyal until Aerys. But after Aerys, any Stark who might have known about the prophecy was dead.
Cregan looks like what happened if you have Robb's bone structure minus the beard with Ned's signature hair and also Jon's voice and mannerism.
Its great to see Starks and the Wall again after so many years, love they are respect each other. The way Cregan said "Death", technically speaking, I should have goosebumps. Pity.....
Man this things been up for 2 minutes and someone’s already moaning about season 8.
@@mr.misanthrope1991Season 8 deserves people moaning. Felt more like a CW show than ASOIAF.
@@mr.misanthrope1991No amount of moaning is too much for S8 lmao
@@mr.misanthrope1991They have every right to moan but you dont have the right to defend it, S7 & S8 were dogshit.
@@HunTLaaR007 5 and 6 too
When Cregan read the letter and looked Jace in the eyes, I felt cold shivers down my spine.
The Stark music and the patience to have the crow fly through fjords before casting the camera over Winterfell, Cregan's delivery, the genuine fear of Winter, and everything it brings, the reference to Vermathor and Silverwing fearing whatever lay north of the wall. 90% of what I think is 'perfection', the other 10% is, 'imagine they kept this care for season 8'.
Cant wait for the "Hour of The Wolf" after everybody's dead
Cregan coming down to clean house from all the lingering parasites.
And if the hour of the wolf isn’t an hour of showtime we riot
The meme in flesh
> comes down to King's Landing
> metes out bloody justice
> leaves
Lmao they took their time to get there
@@pplesandorangesdon't forget, gets a bride
Now that is a Stark. I've missed them! That delivery was *chef's kiss*
When you realize that Cregan probably handed him an extra thousand men out of respect for his recently deceased brother.
For such a short scene he’s so badass I hope we see more of him but I feel like this will be it
When they were climbing the steps to the ledge, it looked like Ned Stark and Jon Snow walking side by side from the pov.
Two ancestors
More. Of. This. PLEASE, HBO!! We need to see these two future friends interact more!!!
Sweet summer child
they’re best friends, they also make a bloood pact
I think that was it, dude. I don't think they will interact again.
Tell me you haven’t read the books without telling me….
They won’t see each other again
1:04 this monologue was a great throwback to the early seasons of GOT, which did such a good job of establishing an ominous atmosphere surrounding the north of the wall and the white walkers. Shame that the anticipation of their attack was more engaging than their actual attack but at least we get another profoundly chilling monologue hyping them up.
Wait, that’s the actor who played young Uhtred in the last kingdom! Dude gets to be the lord of the north in two shows lol. Love it.
notice the very specific music at the critical moment of talking about "others" than winter and the savages. masterful
"Their dragons, greatest power in the world, refused to cross it". Gives me the chills.
Can't wait until the hour of the wolf. But won't be till the last season.
House Starks finest moment.
The last episode
@@italianmiltyfriedman6264 the HOTD book readers are the worst. They throw spoilers out there without warning just to show off that they read a book.
@@officialtbhoops The worst part is they are often wrong too. Show has diverged massively from the books when it comes to key scenes and character motivations.
@@officialtbhoops Dance of the Dragons dialogue in GOT and history and lore videos have been around for a decade. People aren't going to stop talking about it just because there's now a show.
It's not the same as when GOT came out.
"Will they fight?"
"Well there's this one called Roddy the Ruin..."
Obsessed with Cregan
It's so nice to see ICE on screen again
The Sword in the back adds so much. Man looks like a Elden Ring character
If only the stark and the targs exchanged notes. Cregan really seems to be very dutiful. Like the first Aegon, Cregan knows that his family’s rule is because of a bigger threat.
Maybe they did - that’s why Torrhen knelt and the Targaryens never meddled in the North until Aerys/Rhaegar.
Every time they talk about the existential danger in the North, my heart sinks remembering what we got 5 years ago.
Maybe one day in the future, when the book series is long done and and we're all old, A Song of Ice and Fire will get a visual media representation worthy of it.
Ice on the back goes hard
Crazy that this is 200 years before GOT, Ned’s Great Grand-Grand Father wasn’t even born yet
When I see the scenes that include Winterfell and the Wall, iconic settings in "Game of Thrones", I start to think about how season 7, especially 8, could have been if they had taken the time and dedication that we've seen so far in "House of the Dragon".
Dude had Ice on his back like an absolute G
I’ve heard people complain about Cregan needing his army to defend against the wall because no one knows the white walkers exist. But remember it’s almost 150 before Game of Thrones. The legends would be stronger and maybe the knowledge the Starks had was lost over time.
So I'll point out the fact that we just saw the ancestral sword, Ice😊😊
I love how this show is being far more book accurate than GOT ever was. For example Ice being on Cregan's back. The lore with Queen Alysanne was good too. She loved the watch.
I can’t wait for the Hour of the Wolf. Cregan marches into Kings Landing like a true a winter Storm.
"What does it keep out?"
"Game of thrones Season 8."
“There is only one war that matters, the Great War”.
1:06-1:38 I love how you can faintly hear the theme used for the White Walkers in the background. Not only is it beautiful but it just adds a new level of foreboding for what to come in the future.
Cregan Stark has only been on screen for about 3 minutes but I would die for him.
Non-book readers have no idea how hard this guy would absolutely clap Aemond, Daemon or Criston in a fight.
Best of his era
Seriously? God damn
@@HoodlumMediaYeah, Cregan is a different breed.
"they will fight hard, like Northerners" IM ALREADY OBSESSED HOUSE STARK WE MISSED YOU
The night king was out there active you can just tell in and out of “sleep” night king knew he couldn’t strike yet as many dragons and armies could take him down plus much more Valyrian swords on the scene.
guys you have no idea how much of a gigachad cregan stark is
I'll be forever grateful to hbo for casting Tom Taylor as Cregan Stark. HE'S PERFECT. Everything screams STARK, especially his deep voice 🥵🥵🥵🥵to whoever complained and is still complaining about him being too young for the role, remember that Cregan is 21 when the dance of the dragons starts, and Tom Taylor is 23, so he's more fit than any fancast 40-45 year old man
P. S I felt so much chemistry between them. It's evident that Harry Collett and Tom Taylor are friends irl
"His grace stood at this very outlook and watched as their dragons, the greatest power in the world, refused to cross it." Even when they don't appear anywhere in the story, the threat of the White Walkers looms. You can feel their presence. A shame the knowledge Cregan had eventually become nothing more than old stories for his descendants.
Anyone else notice he Cregan had the same type of tone and word pronunciation as Jon Snow lol
Yorkshire accent
You’re American aren’t you?
They're from the north. So they have a northern accent. Haven't you realised by now that the majority of the actors in GOT and HOTD are British?
@@HoodlumMediayes.
While honor can be House Stark's weakness, it is also their strength. When a Stark promises something, you simply believe it without needing proof.
Except for Robb the fkn idiot! He is the reason half his family were killed and changed what happened in the story. I know it was at the authors behest but… Robb Stark is a fkn idiot! lol
I was hoping to see more of their friendship. We basically only got 5 minutes.
Same, I was looking forward to Jace's time in the north. Jace and Cregan becoming like brothers and jace falling in love with Sara Snow.
I really do believe the Starks had passed down knowledge of the reason the wall was built by Brandon the Builder and why they had ensured the wall was manned at all times. And that the reason is why Torhhen Stark bent the knee as Aegons Dream of the horror to come from the North matched what had been passed down. The knowledge was lost when Ned a second son, inherited Winterfell as Rickard and his heir Brandon were killed at the same time.
The view at 1:00 and Cregan saying that the wall is to protect them from death reminds me of the end of season 7 when the white walkers and wights emerged from those trees at that very view. Gave me the chills.
A thousand greybeards = The Winter Wolves.
I loved the cold open to Winterfell, the music instantly took me back to the Heydays of game of thrones.
Cregan is a true stark
Brilliant!. The way the way Tom Taylor recites the lines of Cregan Stark sounds like poetry!
Carrying Ice like that ? What a chad
This scene, the acting, the music, the tingles, the rapport, the way the dialogue flows and zings so naturally. It's brilliant.
Was SO pumped to hear of Cregan hint to the Winter Wolves!
When Cregan Stark said, " Like Northerners.." got goosebumps 😮😮
I'm already obsessed with Cregan.
i notice that jace is talking then stop when he see the vast of land beyond the wall. nice touch. i also like that cregan is smarter then anyone. he realize that you don't build something that big and powerful only to keep the weather and wildlings out.
Because of Ned's loyalty and honestness We see every Stark differently.
What does it keep out?
Ned Stark: Probably Wildling Ambush.
And to think the threat this wall was built and manned for all those years to keep out would be beaten in a single night. Crazy stuff for sure.
It was awesome seeing the wall and winterfell again.
Not only the accent, but the voice is a bit similar to Jon's. I'm almost certain they did that on purpose. ❤️
Cregan actor Tom Taylor also played young Uhtred son of Uhtred of Bebanburgh in the first episode of The Last Kingdom. The north is strong in him.
When I saw the stills of Tom Taylor as Cregan Stark, I wasn't quite sure about him, he looked a bit fresh faced.
I know Cregan is only 21 here, and 23 during the Hour of the Wolf, but he's described as formidable, and that whenever he walked into the room, the Lads found him intimidating, and he reminded Bloody Ben Blackwood that he was just 13, despite having fought Borros Baratheon at the Battle of the Kingsroad.
But that look he gave at 1:33 had me convinced he was the guy to play Cregan. But hopefully, they'll have him grow a beard for when he appears for the Hour of the Wolf, make him look a bit older and weathered, compared to the Lads.
the wall in this clip looks 70 feet tall not 700
1:40 those thousands of greybeards will become known as a badass fighting force called the Winter Wolves lead by Roderick Dustin from House Dustin aka Roddy the Ruin. Fight hard they will!
my old boy Ice !
I love actors who play Starks speak with the same accent
I love how they've emphasized the northern accent with cregan he sounds like Ned ,and jon snow.
And Robb Stark too…