0:00 - "It's raining, it's windy. I'm wet and miserable." - That is the kind of intro I have been waiting to see somewhere, once. Not kidding. Brilliant and honest !!
August 2023 I recently bought a two year old Zoe GT LINE. Your road test conclusions were spot on! The built in 22kw charger and having a CCS 50KW Plug is very handy! The price was under £15k with only 9K miles and 3 years of warranty left! Finance 2.4% APR. BARGAIN!
We just brought ze50 gtline ccs , and got good deal off .done 1800 miles in under 5 weeks and cost less than 1p a mile on electricity so can’t knock it’s Efficiency had 190 miles in bad weather at 60-65 mph on motorway with 26 left and had upto 260 range in mixed town and a roads keeping to speed limits with upto 5.8 miles per kWh , had 210-260 ranges so better than wltp , which is good . Enjoying every moment first ev tried a few others and like you say for miles per £ it’s great . Family of 4 and everyone happy in Zoe . Going on long trips in summer holidays so it will be test of boot , but had £127 of shopping over week and with floor in the back fitted it all in so that’s good for small car. Saving 150-200 £ in first month in fuel. So all in all were happy with our first ev !
One thing reviewers do not consider in England is the rust proofing new cars are given. I live in Sweden and always keep my cars for years so its important when buying new or used. Here the major car magazine always tests new cars and the Renault Zoe gets maximum points. Otherwise most of the Evs have relatively poor rust proofing. So the Zoe is a good buy if you intend to keep the car and even replace the battery in the future.
That's good to know - having just bought a 2020 Zoe R135. I'm planning to keep it for 10 years or so and wondered about rust proofing after seeing a video of a 2018 leaf underside that was so corroded the battery was in danger of dropping out!
All EVs should come with Rapid DC charging and a Heat pump, Renault can get away with 22kW AC only in France where the chargers are everywhere, all RHD Zoe should include CCS, there will be many disappointed buyers who did not know they need to add this option and most dealers will not know they need to insist on adding it!
Charger are not everywhere in France. I’m going there this summer, like every year, and I have to take a 150km detour because my usual route doesn’t have enough chargers (I just transitioned to ev)!
My dealer informed me about CCS but left it up to me, he said many customers got along fine with just 22 kW (Switzerland). I still took the option because I believe the Zoe gives the best of both worlds. Keep in mind this is the only car with 22 kW included by default, even Tesla charges for this upgrade, and the 22 kW upgrade for Tesla is a lot more expensive than the CCS one for the Zoe. Heat pump is default as well, VW and BMW charge for this.
Compared with ZE40 the 50 is lightyears better according to me.. better interior, better light, better soundproofing, display percentage charge on display and so on... im sooo happy with y ZE50....
Hey EVM, Love your reviews. I drive this car and have not been triggered at all by any of the comments. You just give really great trusted reviews and recommend your videos to people. Keep up the great work!
On range difference with the e-208 - that additional 30-40 miles covers the distance between service stations, so gives you the extra backup for when the Ecotricity CCS chargers at your chosen recharge motorway station are broken or occupied.
@@GavinScrimgeour I was getting 3.2 miles per kWh from a car that had done 4,500 miles. The bonnet had frost on it as there's no ICE to warm it up. My BIG mistake was putting the seat cooler on when I started the journey. After a while I realised and put the seat heater on.
Great review, having just bought the new Zoe Riviera I was told that all new Zoe’s are supplied with CCS 50KW rapid charging as standard now. The dealer Richard Sanders Kettering explained that only 10% of Zoe’s in recent times didn’t have the CCS option so from about June 21 it became a standard fitment. Strangely it lost the light over the drivers vanity mirror and inductive smartphone charging though
u can charge upto 43kwh fast charge on electric highway chargers on all motorway services on just the standard type 2 plugs I have done it on my 22kwh Zoe no problem takes about 40 mins to do it to 100 % .
@@stevecapper9321 up to 43kW on the Q motor. The new Zoe 50 ONLY comes with the R motor. So if you don't spec CCS you can ONLY charge at up to 22kW maximum. If its a only car, you don't have a home charger perhaps and you don't do long trips then it'll be absolutely fine. If you want to do long trips however you'll want the CCS option (even if its proven to top out at 44kW in multiple tests) as a 2+ hours stop to charge might be a bit jarring on a long trip.
@@SandyRitchie Yes a lot of people get caught out with the Old Zoe. The Faste 43AC was pretty rare in the original Zoe. I had the Zoeze40 with R Motor so could only do 22kW AC but travellin in Ireland the distances arent that great so one charge on a longer trip over lunch was fine. If i was buying a Zoe now though id have to have CCS for convenience and Resale value.
It has CCS so yeahl. It's just a shame the Lane keep assist is crap - the app is crap and after 6 months it needs a shit loads of updates at the dealer!
Your videos are always entertaining as well as informative. I've clicked the bell icon as I look forward to seeing your videos in my notifications. You deserve more subscribers!
Seemed a lot of reflection even in rainy Yorkshire, smaller windows for reduced solar gain, but no car has solved the big black heat absorbing dash where the majority of heat gain occurs, less of a problem in UK granted.
I have updated from the ZE40 after 3 years and now have the ZE50. The main reason is the extra range and slightly faster charging. I generally drive no more than 150 miles and then need a rest. The highway code says you should rest after 2 hours which is about 120 miles. In my old ZE40 the car would have little extra range in case of a detour or a charger not working but the new one has about another 50 miles which means this problem is solved! Only need better infrastructure now. Should have at least 12 chargers at each service station not 1 or 2! By the way, the new Zoe still has a button to press to remove the vacuum cleaner noise (when at low sleed) and make it silent. I was delighted when discovered it!
Great review Andy, you're bang on regarding ccs charging particularly when we look at what's happening with ev's over the next couple of years and beyond.
CCS charging - requires few electronics as you are just directly charging the DC batteries with a DC charger that just pushes as hard as the car says it can take - does not cost £1000. There are protection circuits, but they are simple/cheap. That is different from AC charging which require high power inverters, cooling and electronics - that is what I would expect be £100's of pounds for. So yes, this is standard stuff from the car manufactures.
At a minimum, a DC charging inlet requires another contactor relay and extra high-voltage wiring. It's not trivial, and depending on where the battery terminals have to go, it may involve a fair length of high voltage/high current cabling. But I agree it's not something that should cost a thousand pounds either.
We had pretty much decided to buy the Zoe from looking on the Internet due to the price and range until we went and actually sat in it. My hubby who is close on 6 foot tall thought the driving position was OK. I'm 5' 5" and when I sat in it the 1st thing I said to the salesman was how do I raise the seat. He told me I couldn't and I said I'd need a booster seat to see over the the steering wheel (I have a bad back so I don't exactly sit up straight). Then when we got in the back I realised there was no way my 14 year old would be able to fit in as I couldn't fit my feet under the seat and her feet were as big as mine. I don't think they should he selling a car without rapid charging tbh either. We kept our leaf for a bit longer and got a hyundai ioniq on lease thanks to a deal you shared on twitter so thanks for that. We love the ioniq for comfort, space, range and things they include as standard.
Totally agree about CCS. Just seems nuts not to have it on every model as standard. Although you didn't mention that it can take 22kwh from a type 2 which I wish more cars had.
Also need to factor in that it isnt watercooled battery pack, much like the leaf. So batterylife might be an issue over when the car has a few years on it. Maybe the MG ZS ev first gen is a safer car, with ccs standard and watercooled battery.
Totally with you on sat nav screen , it looks like an afterthought, oh we need a screen stick it on top , as for no rapid totally wrong, should be standard
@Richard Wood Atleast the screen in Tesla cars are not blocking the air vents like the Renault does. Plus you really can't integrate a screen of that size within the dashboard.
Great video. I’m pleased I located your content. The information will benefit many including myself. My first Motability car will be in 4 - 7 months. ❤
Lack of CCS as standard will make second hand searches of these a bloody nightmare (similar to the battery lease versions of the ZE40). Also am I right in assuming that without the CCS, you are stuck with 7.2kW charging or do those cars get 22kW three phase Type 2 charging?
They are definitely limited to 87mph. My 88 bhp Zoe has the same top speed too, as does the 110. I'm sure mine could beat 100mph if it was let loose. It's not a problem though, it's a long time since I felt the need to max out every vehicle I have and 87 is more than I'll ever need.
The new Zoe is a nice refresh with the upgraded interior and bigger battery. Shame the CCS is an option and at a time when new 150kw chargers are being installed, why does it max out at 45kw DC. For similar money I'd probably get the Corsa E, for the extra tech and charging...or wait for the next Zoe I also don't understand why popular features available with the previous model have been taken away such as the button to open the charge flap, or the central armrest and storage.
I'm soon to swap from a 22kwh 2014 rapid charge Zoe into the new GTline, that's for me the best upgrade option. If I'd had a 40kwh Zoe I'd probably be happy for another couple of years, but triple range and newer gadgets is a winner.
Purchased ZE40 NEW whilst waiting for ZE50 ccs to be made.The ZE50 is leagues ahead.I average about 4 miles to a kw so 200 miles range with varied driving.The CCS charges at 43kw to 60% and about 30kw from 60-90% it then drops to about 20kw from 90-100%. You can add about 100 miles in 30 mins. The CCS is ESSENTIAL even if it costs £1000 because ALL Zoes are a pain to charge on AC, especially if the battery is cold.(Typically the ZE40 would only charge at 14kw on a AC rapidcharger & 21kw ( warm). The ZE50 with CCS is perfect for the current UK charging network.I would not even consider the new mini , honda , golf , i3 , leaf as their owners have told me they are only good for around 100 miles! I get 180 miles at a constant 70mph on the motorway in the ZE50.(3.6miles/kw). Driven gently 5 miles/kw is possible achieving 245 miles.I have completed 1500 miles in the ZE50 and cannot fault it. Drives much better than the last Zoe and the dash is a big improvemnt with the ipad style touch screen with apple car play allows you to mirror apps like Spotify & Google maps onto the screen.Reversing camera image goes full screen on display! Front parking sensors are very handy when approaching a charge point as Zoe charges from the front and allows you to get close. Dealers will discount if you ask £32k List /paid £26k after grant.Oh, and the car came with a fully fitted 7kw homecharger with 5metre cable attached fitted by BP chargemaster and costs just £1 per hour to charge at home and adds 30 miles per hour.These chargers can cost £1000 if fitted seperately but all new zoes come with this free of charge if you own your own driveway.
Good review, I’ve ordered one, my first EV and looking forward to it! A big winner on range for me, and price is always negotiable 😉 especially at the moment!
@TF no regrets at all, it’s a brilliant car. If you are travelling a long way in one day just plan your charge point and have spare points in case the first one isn’t working!
I just got rid of my Zoe ze40. Lack of maintenance to locals chargers and the ones that did work I couldn’t use due to the Zoe’s fussy charging parameters. Ended up having to regularly sit at a rapid charger for an 1hour+ (not even reaching 100%) just to be able to run the car. If I was to get another ev in the future proper rapid charging will be a must especially with some charging networks (ie instavolt) only supporting ccs and chademo. Would I choose a Zoe with ccs I’d still say no due to Renaults fussy charging string my experience if another car can charge on it the Zoe should be able to too.
The false floor in the boot is an accessory. Every reviewer says you can't open the lid with the fob, and I haven't read anything on the manual. Are you sure you're talking about the ZE50?
Considered the ZE50, but MG ZS is more car for less money if you want CCS. Yes the range is lower, and there's no 22kw Type 2, but finding one of those is harder than finding 50kw CCS.
The MG ZS is made in China (and India I believe), the Zoe in France, your pick for where you want your money to go but I highly suspect some of the price difference comes from this
@@antwnpowell For clarity I am speaking about the UK perspective. I am not likely to be driving around the continent but the missus does have family in Scotland, where there are CCS aplenty. Even on the continent it looks likely that CCS is the de facto standard for rapid charging and like EVM points out, it would surely not cost Renault £1k to add it to the Zoe as a standard option.
@@EngineeringNibbles Judging from the anti-chinese sentiment on most Indian MG ZS videos on youTube I suspect it is only made in China. You may be right that I am unfortunately benefiting from lower and non-unionised labour costs in China though I would expect a sizable amount of the difference comes from the smaller battery pack. edit: There is local assembly in Thailand and India.
The Chevy Bolt in the US has CCS as an option ( still seems to be true for the upcoming 2022 model year ). I bought a used Bolt and was careful to make sure it had CCS. I haven't used the CCS yet but it's there for a potential 180 mile trip from West Palm Beach to Orlando. I can't see me ever leaving the state of Florida in the Bolt. You never really fully deplete and fully recharge so I would tend to put one stop range at something like 170% of total range, so maybe 340 miles for the Zoe, especially as you are traveling at highway speeds and getting less efficiency. What seems really weird with the Zoe is giving you 22kW AC charging that you will never be able to use and not giving CCS. Replace the 22kW rectifier with a more modest 10kW unit and then put the savings into the CCS. This will hurt them IMO.
Thanks, I don't know why I am watching this, as I have just taken delivery of my Kia. What it does tell me is I made the right choice. The screen is horrible, and no fast charging, are killers, the seats and headroom are also a secondary concern. As a town supermini it is probably fine. Thanks for a good review, as always.
The major issue with the Leaf in hot climates is early battery deterioration, as the batteries become too hot if air cooled. Liquid cooled battery systems have proven very effective in preventing early battery deterioration in hot climates. So how does the Zoe cool its batteries?
@@ElectricVehicleMan so if you spend the $1000 does that include enhanced battery cooling or anything to help the battery under full charging conditions. Tesla go so far as to offer battery pre cooling.
I've just seen that they've carried on with one of my biggest complaints about our Clio. The internal front door handles are right at the front end of the doors. If it's a bit windy then you've got all that leverage of the door's length working against you. Even 6 inches further back would make a big difference. The handle design also means that as you operate the mechanism the handle isn't a strong thing to hold on to. There's that other handle further back alongside the electric window controls but that's not where your hand naturally falls.
Just for info, that front area with the key symbol is NOT to charge the key fob but is where you place the fob if the battery is flat in the fob. It's a standard 2032 button cell. Agree CCS should be standard. Pre conditioning and charge flap opening were standard on the old Zoe, but I think Renault have gone for a "standard key fob" across their range. I think the only version that has a "false floor" are those that have the Bose sound system. Oh! no mention of the totally crap My Renault app and the the fact that you cannot pre condition the car with either the app nor the in-car system. Helpfully the car and the app say its "working", NOT. This will be available "real soon now" via OTA and an app upgrade. For transparency I do own a ZE50. The lack of seat height is not a problem for me.
You probably have realised by now that the Zoe only charges at 45kW on CCS, while the e-208 can charge up to 100kW, so the smaller range is more than compensated by the better charging speed
On the face of it, £1k extra for the CCS option is a bit ripe, but look at leasing costs and you'll see that the CCS equipped car is actually less money per month to lease compared to the base car, presumably because of better residual values. Only a small proportion of new car sales in the UK are to people paying outright, so you should really be talking about leasing/PCP etc costs as well as list prices.
I have said on a few other videos and reviews of the Zoe that it's rapid charging is too slow at only 50kW max, the e-208 can charge at 100kW so even though the Peugeot cannot travel as far on a charge, in the race to 80% battery you'll be on your way quicker in the Peugeot than the Renault.
If you can find a 100kw charger, how many public chargers are 100kw? And the 100kw is a best possible situation max limit, not very often in the real world will the pug and corsa get over 80kw charging speeds.
Richard Wood from what I have seen in a test the 208 and Zoe both starting at around 10% battery after about 25 minutes the 208 is at 67% and the Zoe 42% and after 36 minutes the 208 is at 80% and the Zoe at 58%. Yes there’s not many 100kW chargers yet but they are getting there and new faster chargers being put in all the time. I think most new £30k+ EVs will have faster than 50kW charging and the Zoe with an optional CCS 50kW charging is going to get left behind if they’re not careful. Let’s not forget this is Peugeot, Vauxhall & DS first real EV and it’s based on a ICE car. Renault like Nissan have been doing this for a long time. Nissan may have faster charging with their 62kW version but it will still rapidgate. I feel Renault need to step it up
Should we point out that for all intents and purposes humans are right handed, and if you drive on the left you have to operate the screen with your less coordinated digits, no quick fix for that, unless the Brits conform to driving like America and Europe and Asia etc etc
In some Ford models RHD versions had somewhat inconvenient cabin filter placement. You needed to disconnect your fusebox in order to change one. On the other hand, you needed to remove accelerator pedal on the LHD version.
Thought I would give 3 things I like about this car and 3 things I dislike. Like. Range Style Soft dash materials Dislike Paying extra for CCS That small screen Fixed seats Mike
Hi EVM, this week I've test-driven both the Zoê 50 and the e-208 and I'm convinced that the Peugeot was slow, by comparison to the Zoê. However not including CCS in the Zoê is criminal. Here in France the Zoê can be bought with or without the battery - you can rent the battery.
Fine test of the Zoe. But just keep in mind that hot as in hot hatch belongs on a track. On the road you need comfort and stability. Hot hatches with stiff springs and even stiffer anti roll bars are fun 5% of the time and a nuisance 95% of the time.
Have a GT rapid charge ordered and due next week. Will be a second car and second EV to go with our Model 3 SR+ range and boot size persuaded us, looked at mini but with two kids the only 3 door option put us off. Good honest review and agree re CCS (we 'only' paid £750 as ordered in feb) don't think we will use but handy to have in case or for re sale.
Swings and roundabouts of the charging. Most cars don't come with 22kw AC charging. Places like Ireland and France have 22kw charges everywhere, in the UK not so much.
I can't get a ZOE where I live but I think being able to opt out of fast charging is fine if you want a commuter or use for daily life around your town/city. You know how far your commute is so you won't have to stop and charge on the highway plus home power rates are much cheaper than public chargers generally.
Meh... in this "city car" category, I'll take a Seat Mii and save some money and enjoy the greater simplicity... of course only if either of them were available in the US (which neither is). You guys have many more and better options there in the UK. I'm jealous.
I love auxiliary inputs. If I decide to use my custom SSD hardware with an AM/FM/8 track/Cassette/CD/MP3/early smart phone player then I can. Future proofing is always good.
The pedestrian warning noise; there is a button to turn it off until you next stop, if you hold that button down, it changes the noise (this is the same as the ZE40). The binnacle/dashboard display; there are 3 layouts to choose from through the infotainment system, you can also customise the indicator noise and volume, you can apparently also change the background image for a custom one, but I've no idea what the requirements for this are; there is only one choice built in, but I guess off is also a choice. On the ZE40 there is a physical button on the right of the display, which cycles through 3 layouts (each with or without the background colour for 6 choices); the there are also different indicator noises, but these are fixed to 3 display layouts. There was a bug in the app where it was showing the range incorrectly, but they seem to have fixed that recently (it is converting km to miles then displaying that as miles, it was spot on if you multiplied the number in the app by 1.6, the guess-o-meter showed the correct range in the car). I have never received any notifications about charging, even though it is setup in the app (I do get Texts for the ZE40, even after the transition to the new app).
Also the marked key spot doesn't charge the key (it has a non-rechargeable CR2032 inside), it is the most sensitive spot for the car to detect it; it will tell you to place the key there if it can't detect it wherever it is.
To be honest I'm very happy to have saved 1000€ and the complexity of the ccs. Had the car for a year never needed to charge in such a rush that a 22kw charger wouldn't be enough.
I love North Yorkshire, especially around Harrogate and Knaresborough. I was supposed to be there last month, but a little virus got in the way. The Zoe looks like it would fit the bill for me, but they're not sold in Canada, assuming I could afford one.
Good video, thanks, but I’m surprised you didn’t mention the fact that it hasn’t got liquid battery cooling like the Leaf which really limits the battery life.
@@ElectricVehicleMan yes, I know. We had a deposit down on a new 64kw leaf, but cancelled when we found out about the lack of battery cooling. We were messed around for 3 months being told that it will be with us soon. We then found out that Nissan had put the delivery date back to February 2022, but the dealer lied and said it was December so as not to lose our purchase! We have now gone for a Kia EV6 that has liquid battery cooling. Love your videos by the way, so please keep them up!
Had my Zoe for just over a month. Great little car. My previous cars have been 'buses' - Sharan, Grand Voyager, Evoque and so quite a stepdown size-wise. Storage solved with false floor in the boot and armrest (though you lose a cupholder) to hide away small items. Other car in household is TM3 - can't compare, but I prefer the dials to virtually everything on touchscreen (which I have to re-learn each time I take the Tesla out). Despite this being a 'second' car, range was important as I don't want to have to borrow the Tesla for when I'll eventually be able to go on long trips. Getting good range for winter (160 miles). Seems economical. (NB - NHS so I am driving every day). btw - used Carwow for big discount so didn't notice the cost of the extras (CCS and accessories) quite so much.
Or at least have a function in the full spec version. Then the blank button is a reminder of what you're missing out on because you didn't buy it. I don't like that either, but at least it makes kind of sense. As opposed to a button that is blank in all specs.
User configurable means they can be anything, like cruise control at three different speeds or heated seat at each setting or roll two windows down... Etc
@@arenjay3278 yes, but user configurable is technically difficult because usually these buttons are hard-wired to control something, not inputs for a computer that controls the same thing. That is, the button for the heated seat is connected to that seat and is just a switch, like switches in a typical house.
Ik it's no comparison, but my 2007 Seat Altea xl doesn't have blanked out buttons. It's a base model but the limited rebel plus version. Still, this looks nice though. I really like the refresh of the inside
CCS was an option on early i3 models and lack of it was a big negative for resale. I went for a version with CCS but have found that I have not used it in three years as it makes no sense on a car with a range extender / small battery. Totally depends on your personal use case. Agree it should be an at cost option though.
Good review. My 2007 Mégane has a huge glove box and covered storage between the front seats, drivers seat height adjustment and it's comfy reliable and very cheap to run. As you say Zoe has poor storage. Big negative for me. No seat height adjustment? Wow what an omission! Bad. Prefer manual handbrake (fun, trust, feel, serviceability), and spare wheel. As I do carry sheet material, can you get 2.5 metre boards inside (passenger footwell to rear hatch)? In too many ways EV credentials apart, it's a significant downgrade on my 13 year old basic car. Looks like a case of Renault having different opinion to me on what the essentials are.
Removal of the Side Head Air bag protection, the key card activated pre heat / cooling and the opening of the charge flap were retrograde steps AND not including CCS as standard were all big mistakes on Renaults part. Interior & exterior restyling & use of more durable Megane 5 stud wheel hubs & suspension were improvements
I can see the motivation for keeping the glass surface small, but for those who have children who suffer from motion sickness and need to see the horizon to avoid being sick it’s not such a great thing... And I agree, CCS should be standard.
Always a useful standby. I have used mine when I needed a top up out in the wilds of central Wales, plugged in for free while enjoying a meal and a read of the paper. Also useful at some National Trust properties!
I purchased a Renault Zoe in May 2019 and I was so disappointed. I am wondering whether other owners had similar experiences. In a tropical climate A/C is as essential as heating in a cold one. Well it did not work from day1. After several attempts to solve the problem, the agent obtained a free replacement of the condenser from the manufacturer. To this day it still does not work. Right from the start the tyre pressure sensor also kept issuing a warning to « Check tyre pressure » which invariably ended up being correct. The agent always managed to reset it so that it did not show up any more. Sometimes the whole system blocked saying STOP ! The car had to be towed away. Recently I was told that the sensors had to be replaced and when i had paid for it, the warning still cropped up. The agent is finally submitting a request to Renault to change the whole tyre pressure monitoring system. Moreover, the domestic charger that comes with the car was working on and off and stopped charging after 4 years. The Agent was not able to replace it so i do not avail of a portable charger any more. The screen is dark and reflets so much that the camera iis useless for reversing. I resort to mirrors and stick my head out of the window to reverse or park as in the good old days. I have read about this defect in the media. Of the 10 cars i have owned this is by far the worst buy. I may have been unlucky and fallen on a particularly faulty Zoe. or are there many others like me ? I am all the more disappointed by my first electric car that for many years it has been a dream for me to own one.
£28000 in Australia. My wife's 2019 Kia Serato cost £13400 and it's a bigger car and can get 50 miles per gallon. I want an EV but not at current prices. I get the life of vehicle costs are cheaper for an EV, but Australian unleaded is half the price of UK, which is a big factor over the long term. I do want an EV eventually.
Yep, fair point. Need to wait for something decent in the 2nd hand market myself. Or significant advances in the conversion market. I'd be well up for converting my car.
3:15 Not as disappointed as me some wanker in a Leaf sat on a rapid using AC pulling his 6.6KW for 9 hours. When there was a perfectly good double 7KW post next to it. That said I had to show some woman how to charge her car on Friday as was trying to get the Chademo into her Zoe :/
I think you nailed it. CCS should be standard. A lot of new EV buyers won’t even know to option it. I don’t kno if the price is too high because I know the CCS association gets a cut of every module sold. This is like the Porsche Taycan having a heat pump as an option in Europe and not standard.
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0:00 - "It's raining, it's windy. I'm wet and miserable." - That is the kind of intro I have been waiting to see somewhere, once. Not kidding. Brilliant and honest !!
You have got better and better over the years, and are doing some of the best and honest car reviews. Well done, great review.
August 2023 I recently bought a two year old Zoe GT LINE. Your road test conclusions were spot on! The built in 22kw charger and having a CCS 50KW Plug is very handy! The price was under £15k with only 9K miles and 3 years of warranty left! Finance 2.4% APR. BARGAIN!
Thank you, I never stop learning something from your videos, blimey this week the speed limit is 70 mph.......gulp
We just brought ze50 gtline ccs , and got good deal off .done 1800 miles in under 5 weeks and cost less than 1p a mile on electricity so can’t knock it’s Efficiency had 190 miles in bad weather at 60-65 mph on motorway with 26 left and had upto 260 range in mixed town and a roads keeping to speed limits with upto 5.8 miles per kWh , had 210-260 ranges so better than wltp , which is good . Enjoying every moment first ev tried a few others and like you say for miles per £ it’s great . Family of 4 and everyone happy in Zoe . Going on long trips in summer holidays so it will be test of boot , but had £127 of shopping over week and with floor in the back fitted it all in so that’s good for small car. Saving 150-200 £ in first month in fuel. So all in all were happy with our first ev !
I think it is one of the best EV's on the market but your right the CCS charging should be fitted as standard, come on Renault it's 2020.
Many Many businesses use Zoe for local deliveries and they never need CCS. You want CCS? Spec it and stop complaining!
@@euruproktos1278 My point is you shouldn't have to spec it therefore paying extra, it should come as standatd.
Agree it should be standard on any car costing this much. It isn’t exactly a budget Dacia Sandero is it?
One thing reviewers do not consider in England is the rust proofing new cars are given. I live in Sweden and always keep my cars for years so its important when buying new or used. Here the major car magazine always tests new cars and the Renault Zoe gets maximum points. Otherwise most of the Evs have relatively poor rust proofing. So the Zoe is a good buy if you intend to keep the car and even replace the battery in the future.
That's good to know - having just bought a 2020 Zoe R135. I'm planning to keep it for 10 years or so and wondered about rust proofing after seeing a video of a 2018 leaf underside that was so corroded the battery was in danger of dropping out!
All EVs should come with Rapid DC charging and a Heat pump, Renault can get away with 22kW AC only in France where the chargers are everywhere, all RHD Zoe should include CCS, there will be many disappointed buyers who did not know they need to add this option and most dealers will not know they need to insist on adding it!
Charger are not everywhere in France.
I’m going there this summer, like every year, and I have to take a 150km detour because my usual route doesn’t have enough chargers (I just transitioned to ev)!
My dealer informed me about CCS but left it up to me, he said many customers got along fine with just 22 kW (Switzerland). I still took the option because I believe the Zoe gives the best of both worlds.
Keep in mind this is the only car with 22 kW included by default, even Tesla charges for this upgrade, and the 22 kW upgrade for Tesla is a lot more expensive than the CCS one for the Zoe. Heat pump is default as well, VW and BMW charge for this.
DC cabling is more dangerous, CCS won't be the industry standard, Tesla got that right too, most DC equipment is limited to about 60v, like eGO etc
@@williamgoode9114 So why does the Model 3 have CCS?
Compared with ZE40 the 50 is lightyears better according to me.. better interior, better light, better soundproofing, display percentage charge on display and so on... im sooo happy with y ZE50....
Congratulations !! Courious; did you get the CCS option ?
Hey EVM,
Love your reviews.
I drive this car and have not been triggered at all by any of the comments.
You just give really great trusted reviews and recommend your videos to people.
Keep up the great work!
My sister charges her Zoe once a week with driving it around 20 miles a day
On range difference with the e-208 - that additional 30-40 miles covers the distance between service stations, so gives you the extra backup for when the Ecotricity CCS chargers at your chosen recharge motorway station are broken or occupied.
Which is most of the time.
As I can't afford a TM3, I'm happy with my 64kWh Hyundai Kona. 200 miles at 70MPH in temps of -3C with heating & aircon on.
Nigel Wickenden that’s the info I was after - thanks 👌🏾
Nigel Wickenden
Me too, the kona electric is a great car, but would love the model Y.. Roll on next month and Ernie ££££
What kind of price difference do you have? In New Zealand a Kona lists at $78900 and TM3 is $81700
@@GavinScrimgeour I was getting 3.2 miles per kWh from a car that had done 4,500 miles. The bonnet had frost on it as there's no ICE to warm it up. My BIG mistake was putting the seat cooler on when I started the journey. After a while I realised and put the seat heater on.
In Canada the Kona is more expensive... How good is the Kona supercharging network?
Great review, having just bought the new Zoe Riviera I was told that all new Zoe’s are supplied with CCS 50KW rapid charging as standard now. The dealer Richard Sanders Kettering explained that only 10% of Zoe’s in recent times didn’t have the CCS option so from about June 21 it became a standard fitment. Strangely it lost the light over the drivers vanity mirror and inductive smartphone charging though
Without rapid charging, it cannot be a practical long term option. The resale value alone will be affected without CCS.
u can charge upto 43kwh fast charge on electric highway chargers on all motorway services on just the standard type 2 plugs I have done it on my 22kwh Zoe no problem takes about 40 mins to do it to 100 % .
@@stevecapper9321 up to 43kW on the Q motor. The new Zoe 50 ONLY comes with the R motor. So if you don't spec CCS you can ONLY charge at up to 22kW maximum. If its a only car, you don't have a home charger perhaps and you don't do long trips then it'll be absolutely fine. If you want to do long trips however you'll want the CCS option (even if its proven to top out at 44kW in multiple tests) as a 2+ hours stop to charge might be a bit jarring on a long trip.
What do you use to plug your mic into when your outside? Phone maybe?
@@SandyRitchie Yes a lot of people get caught out with the Old Zoe. The Faste 43AC was pretty rare in the original Zoe. I had the Zoeze40 with R Motor so could only do 22kW AC but travellin in Ireland the distances arent that great so one charge on a longer trip over lunch was fine. If i was buying a Zoe now though id have to have CCS for convenience and Resale value.
It has CCS so yeahl. It's just a shame the Lane keep assist is crap - the app is crap and after 6 months it needs a shit loads of updates at the dealer!
Your videos are always entertaining as well as informative. I've clicked the bell icon as I look forward to seeing your videos in my notifications. You deserve more subscribers!
Maybe a lot of people just don't 'get' the Yorkshire sense of humour.
100% agree re the screen - my first thought when looking at it was how dated it looked with the massive bezel!
Seemed a lot of reflection even in rainy Yorkshire, smaller windows for reduced solar gain, but no car has solved the big black heat absorbing dash where the majority of heat gain occurs, less of a problem in UK granted.
I have updated from the ZE40 after 3 years and now have the ZE50. The main reason is the extra range and slightly faster charging. I generally drive no more than 150 miles and then need a rest. The highway code says you should rest after 2 hours which is about 120 miles. In my old ZE40 the car would have little extra range in case of a detour or a charger not working but the new one has about another 50 miles which means this problem is solved! Only need better infrastructure now. Should have at least 12 chargers at each service station not 1 or 2!
By the way, the new Zoe still has a button to press to remove the vacuum cleaner noise (when at low sleed) and make it silent. I was delighted when discovered it!
11:25 Hey, that Aux input will be handy, when I connect my Rio Karma or Iriver H140. 😊
Great review Andy, you're bang on regarding ccs charging particularly when we look at what's happening with ev's over the next couple of years and beyond.
CCS charging - requires few electronics as you are just directly charging the DC batteries with a DC charger that just pushes as hard as the car says it can take - does not cost £1000. There are protection circuits, but they are simple/cheap. That is different from AC charging which require high power inverters, cooling and electronics - that is what I would expect be £100's of pounds for. So yes, this is standard stuff from the car manufactures.
At a minimum, a DC charging inlet requires another contactor relay and extra high-voltage wiring. It's not trivial, and depending on where the battery terminals have to go, it may involve a fair length of high voltage/high current cabling. But I agree it's not something that should cost a thousand pounds either.
Does this battery have thermal management, cos a very high rate of charge for an extended period can over heat it, Tesla are precooled before charging
William Goode Yep it has active cooling (unlike the Leaf)
We had pretty much decided to buy the Zoe from looking on the Internet due to the price and range until we went and actually sat in it. My hubby who is close on 6 foot tall thought the driving position was OK. I'm 5' 5" and when I sat in it the 1st thing I said to the salesman was how do I raise the seat. He told me I couldn't and I said I'd need a booster seat to see over the the steering wheel (I have a bad back so I don't exactly sit up straight). Then when we got in the back I realised there was no way my 14 year old would be able to fit in as I couldn't fit my feet under the seat and her feet were as big as mine. I don't think they should he selling a car without rapid charging tbh either. We kept our leaf for a bit longer and got a hyundai ioniq on lease thanks to a deal you shared on twitter so thanks for that. We love the ioniq for comfort, space, range and things they include as standard.
Very complete, very reasonable. I agree with everything except for the desirability of AUX audio input - I _do_ use those.
Are you over 50?
@@ElectricVehicleMan It shows, eh? :o)
I collect (well, hoard) ancient HiFi portable thingies.
Do not excuse, whatever equipment you were using, hardly any wind noise, excellent sound, enjoyed the video, keep it up, thanks.
Thanks for your videos! Quick pointer on a typo- "but has is their". Appreciating the down to earth informative videos as always!
Totally agree about CCS. Just seems nuts not to have it on every model as standard. Although you didn't mention that it can take 22kwh from a type 2 which I wish more cars had.
Also need to factor in that it isnt watercooled battery pack, much like the leaf. So batterylife might be an issue over when the car has a few years on it. Maybe the MG ZS ev first gen is a safer car, with ccs standard and watercooled battery.
We are on our 3rd ZOE, we have a GT Line, cracking car - however I do agree re the CCS
Totally with you on sat nav screen , it looks like an afterthought, oh we need a screen stick it on top , as for no rapid totally wrong, should be standard
@Richard Wood Atleast the screen in Tesla cars are not blocking the air vents like the Renault does. Plus you really can't integrate a screen of that size within the dashboard.
Great video. I’m pleased I located your content. The information will benefit many including myself. My first Motability car will be in 4 - 7 months. ❤
Lack of CCS as standard will make second hand searches of these a bloody nightmare (similar to the battery lease versions of the ZE40). Also am I right in assuming that without the CCS, you are stuck with 7.2kW charging or do those cars get 22kW three phase Type 2 charging?
22kw ac is standard.
Totally agree about the rapid charging as standard, cheeky of them to do that.
They are definitely limited to 87mph. My 88 bhp Zoe has the same top speed too, as does the 110. I'm sure mine could beat 100mph if it was let loose. It's not a problem though, it's a long time since I felt the need to max out every vehicle I have and 87 is more than I'll ever need.
The new Zoe is a nice refresh with the upgraded interior and bigger battery.
Shame the CCS is an option and at a time when new 150kw chargers are being installed, why does it max out at 45kw DC. For similar money I'd probably get the Corsa E, for the extra tech and charging...or wait for the next Zoe
I also don't understand why popular features available with the previous model have been taken away such as the button to open the charge flap, or the central armrest and storage.
I have to agree with you about CCS. It should be standard. Other than that it is a huge improvement over the ZE40
"the stereo", down to earth man👍 agreed screen an after thought. Whats the point of 110 or 135. 135 and 200 maybe.
I'm soon to swap from a 22kwh 2014 rapid charge Zoe into the new GTline, that's for me the best upgrade option. If I'd had a 40kwh Zoe I'd probably be happy for another couple of years, but triple range and newer gadgets is a winner.
Are you getting the CCS Charging?
you could blow hot air on to the display that could over time effect the display
Or sit it in the sun, next to a hot black dash
Purchased ZE40 NEW whilst waiting for ZE50 ccs to be made.The ZE50 is leagues ahead.I average about 4 miles to a kw so 200 miles range with varied driving.The CCS charges at 43kw to 60% and about 30kw from 60-90% it then drops to about 20kw from 90-100%. You can add about 100 miles in 30 mins. The CCS is ESSENTIAL even if it costs £1000 because ALL Zoes are a pain to charge on AC, especially if the battery is cold.(Typically the ZE40 would only charge at 14kw on a AC rapidcharger & 21kw ( warm). The ZE50 with CCS is perfect for the current UK charging network.I would not even consider the new mini , honda , golf , i3 , leaf as their owners have told me they are only good for around 100 miles! I get 180 miles at a constant 70mph on the motorway in the ZE50.(3.6miles/kw). Driven gently 5 miles/kw is possible achieving 245 miles.I have completed 1500 miles in the ZE50 and cannot fault it. Drives much better than the last Zoe and the dash is a big improvemnt with the ipad style touch screen with apple car play allows you to mirror apps like Spotify & Google maps onto the screen.Reversing camera image goes full screen on display! Front parking sensors are very handy when approaching a charge point as Zoe charges from the front and allows you to get close. Dealers will discount if you ask £32k List /paid £26k after grant.Oh, and the car came with a fully fitted 7kw homecharger with 5metre cable attached fitted by BP chargemaster and costs just £1 per hour to charge at home and adds 30 miles per hour.These chargers can cost £1000 if fitted seperately but all new zoes come with this free of charge if you own your own driveway.
Good review, I’ve ordered one, my first EV and looking forward to it!
A big winner on range for me, and price is always negotiable 😉 especially at the moment!
@TF no regrets at all, it’s a brilliant car. If you are travelling a long way in one day just plan your charge point and have spare points in case the first one isn’t working!
I just got rid of my Zoe ze40. Lack of maintenance to locals chargers and the ones that did work I couldn’t use due to the Zoe’s fussy charging parameters. Ended up having to regularly sit at a rapid charger for an 1hour+ (not even reaching 100%) just to be able to run the car. If I was to get another ev in the future proper rapid charging will be a must especially with some charging networks (ie instavolt) only supporting ccs and chademo. Would I choose a Zoe with ccs I’d still say no due to Renaults fussy charging string my experience if another car can charge on it the Zoe should be able to too.
You can open the charging lid with the unlock button on the key fob.
There is no filler floor in ZE50. Mine does not have one.
The false floor in the boot is an accessory. Every reviewer says you can't open the lid with the fob, and I haven't read anything on the manual. Are you sure you're talking about the ZE50?
Considered the ZE50, but MG ZS is more car for less money if you want CCS. Yes the range is lower, and there's no 22kw Type 2, but finding one of those is harder than finding 50kw CCS.
Not on the continent- type 2 accelerated is pretty common - have a look at france with electromaps
The MG ZS is made in China (and India I believe), the Zoe in France, your pick for where you want your money to go but I highly suspect some of the price difference comes from this
@@antwnpowell For clarity I am speaking about the UK perspective. I am not likely to be driving around the continent but the missus does have family in Scotland, where there are CCS aplenty. Even on the continent it looks likely that CCS is the de facto standard for rapid charging and like EVM points out, it would surely not cost Renault £1k to add it to the Zoe as a standard option.
@@EngineeringNibbles Judging from the anti-chinese sentiment on most Indian MG ZS videos on youTube I suspect it is only made in China. You may be right that I am unfortunately benefiting from lower and non-unionised labour costs in China though I would expect a sizable amount of the difference comes from the smaller battery pack. edit: There is local assembly in Thailand and India.
@@craiglawrence5211 I quite highly doubt the ~10kwh difference makes up more than 2,000£
The Chevy Bolt in the US has CCS as an option ( still seems to be true for the upcoming 2022 model year ). I bought a used Bolt and was careful to make sure it had CCS. I haven't used the CCS yet but it's there for a potential 180 mile trip from West Palm Beach to Orlando. I can't see me ever leaving the state of Florida in the Bolt. You never really fully deplete and fully recharge so I would tend to put one stop range at something like 170% of total range, so maybe 340 miles for the Zoe, especially as you are traveling at highway speeds and getting less efficiency. What seems really weird with the Zoe is giving you 22kW AC charging that you will never be able to use and not giving CCS. Replace the 22kW rectifier with a more modest 10kW unit and then put the savings into the CCS. This will hurt them IMO.
Very nice review Andy. I really enjoy your reviews.
Thinking of buying a 2014 v.low mileage Zoe at a good price - your opinions please?
Best review of the Zoe I've seen yet for the detail and your honest views, and some interesting conclusions, great job Andy!
Thanks, I don't know why I am watching this, as I have just taken delivery of my Kia. What it does tell me is I made the right choice.
The screen is horrible, and no fast charging, are killers, the seats and headroom are also a secondary concern.
As a town supermini it is probably fine.
Thanks for a good review, as always.
The major issue with the Leaf in hot climates is early battery deterioration, as the batteries become too hot if air cooled. Liquid cooled battery systems have proven very effective in preventing early battery deterioration in hot climates. So how does the Zoe cool its batteries?
Air conditioning.
@@ElectricVehicleMan so if you spend the $1000 does that include enhanced battery cooling or anything to help the battery under full charging conditions.
Tesla go so far as to offer battery pre cooling.
I've just seen that they've carried on with one of my biggest complaints about our Clio. The internal front door handles are right at the front end of the doors. If it's a bit windy then you've got all that leverage of the door's length working against you. Even 6 inches further back would make a big difference. The handle design also means that as you operate the mechanism the handle isn't a strong thing to hold on to. There's that other handle further back alongside the electric window controls but that's not where your hand naturally falls.
Just for info, that front area with the key symbol is NOT to charge the key fob but is where you place the fob if the battery is flat in the fob. It's a standard 2032 button cell.
Agree CCS should be standard.
Pre conditioning and charge flap opening were standard on the old Zoe, but I think Renault have gone for a "standard key fob" across their range.
I think the only version that has a "false floor" are those that have the Bose sound system.
Oh! no mention of the totally crap My Renault app and the the fact that you cannot pre condition the car with either the app nor the in-car system. Helpfully the car and the app say its "working", NOT. This will be available "real soon now" via OTA and an app upgrade.
For transparency I do own a ZE50.
The lack of seat height is not a problem for me.
You probably have realised by now that the Zoe only charges at 45kW on CCS, while the e-208 can charge up to 100kW, so the smaller range is more than compensated by the better charging speed
Went for the mg zs ev . More space for the the money.the retractable panoramic roof is Amazing as is the electric sunblind.ccs as standard.
On the face of it, £1k extra for the CCS option is a bit ripe, but look at leasing costs and you'll see that the CCS equipped car is actually less money per month to lease compared to the base car, presumably because of better residual values. Only a small proportion of new car sales in the UK are to people paying outright, so you should really be talking about leasing/PCP etc costs as well as list prices.
I have said on a few other videos and reviews of the Zoe that it's rapid charging is too slow at only 50kW max, the e-208 can charge at 100kW so even though the Peugeot cannot travel as far on a charge, in the race to 80% battery you'll be on your way quicker in the Peugeot than the Renault.
If you can find a 100kw charger, how many public chargers are 100kw? And the 100kw is a best possible situation max limit, not very often in the real world will the pug and corsa get over 80kw charging speeds.
You will if you can find a CCS charger that goes upto 100kw.
Richard Wood from what I have seen in a test the 208 and Zoe both starting at around 10% battery after about 25 minutes the 208 is at 67% and the Zoe 42% and after 36 minutes the 208 is at 80% and the Zoe at 58%.
Yes there’s not many 100kW chargers yet but they are getting there and new faster chargers being put in all the time. I think most new £30k+ EVs will have faster than 50kW charging and the Zoe with an optional CCS 50kW charging is going to get left behind if they’re not careful. Let’s not forget this is Peugeot, Vauxhall & DS first real EV and it’s based on a ICE car. Renault like Nissan have been doing this for a long time. Nissan may have faster charging with their 62kW version but it will still rapidgate. I feel Renault need to step it up
Should we point out that for all intents and purposes humans are right handed, and if you drive on the left you have to operate the screen with your less coordinated digits, no quick fix for that, unless the Brits conform to driving like America and Europe and Asia etc etc
@@williamgoode9114 unless you're me - I'm left handed .......!!!
In some Ford models RHD versions had somewhat inconvenient cabin filter placement. You needed to disconnect your fusebox in order to change one. On the other hand, you needed to remove accelerator pedal on the LHD version.
Thought I would give 3 things I like about this car and 3 things I dislike.
Like.
Range
Style
Soft dash materials
Dislike
Paying extra for CCS
That small screen
Fixed seats
Mike
All new Zoe’s come with CCS 50kw DC charging as standard
Hi EVM, this week I've test-driven both the Zoê 50 and the e-208 and I'm convinced that the Peugeot was slow, by comparison to the Zoê. However not including CCS in the Zoê is criminal. Here in France the Zoê can be bought with or without the battery - you can rent the battery.
Fine test of the Zoe. But just keep in mind that hot as in hot hatch belongs on a track. On the road you need comfort and stability. Hot hatches with stiff springs and even stiffer anti roll bars are fun 5% of the time and a nuisance 95% of the time.
Have a GT rapid charge ordered and due next week. Will be a second car and second EV to go with our Model 3 SR+ range and boot size persuaded us, looked at mini but with two kids the only 3 door option put us off. Good honest review and agree re CCS (we 'only' paid £750 as ordered in feb) don't think we will use but handy to have in case or for re sale.
Forget about good range in winter, we are down to around 116 miles when temp hits zero !
Swings and roundabouts of the charging. Most cars don't come with 22kw AC charging. Places like Ireland and France have 22kw charges everywhere, in the UK not so much.
I can't get a ZOE where I live but I think being able to opt out of fast charging is fine if you want a commuter or use for daily life around your town/city. You know how far your commute is so you won't have to stop and charge on the highway plus home power rates are much cheaper than public chargers generally.
Great review probably the best electric car for the price and range.
Meh... in this "city car" category, I'll take a Seat Mii and save some money and enjoy the greater simplicity... of course only if either of them were available in the US (which neither is). You guys have many more and better options there in the UK. I'm jealous.
230miles plus isn’t a city car
I love auxiliary inputs. If I decide to use my custom SSD hardware with an AM/FM/8 track/Cassette/CD/MP3/early smart phone player then I can. Future proofing is always good.
I’d still prefer a larger glass area in general for visibility
It's also for crash safety you'll find a lot of cars have bigger doors and smaller windows
The pedestrian warning noise; there is a button to turn it off until you next stop, if you hold that button down, it changes the noise (this is the same as the ZE40).
The binnacle/dashboard display; there are 3 layouts to choose from through the infotainment system, you can also customise the indicator noise and volume, you can apparently also change the background image for a custom one, but I've no idea what the requirements for this are; there is only one choice built in, but I guess off is also a choice. On the ZE40 there is a physical button on the right of the display, which cycles through 3 layouts (each with or without the background colour for 6 choices); the there are also different indicator noises, but these are fixed to 3 display layouts.
There was a bug in the app where it was showing the range incorrectly, but they seem to have fixed that recently (it is converting km to miles then displaying that as miles, it was spot on if you multiplied the number in the app by 1.6, the guess-o-meter showed the correct range in the car). I have never received any notifications about charging, even though it is setup in the app (I do get Texts for the ZE40, even after the transition to the new app).
Also the marked key spot doesn't charge the key (it has a non-rechargeable CR2032 inside), it is the most sensitive spot for the car to detect it; it will tell you to place the key there if it can't detect it wherever it is.
Does seem strange, opening and closing cars with fob for years never had to change a battery yet
To be honest I'm very happy to have saved 1000€ and the complexity of the ccs. Had the car for a year never needed to charge in such a rush that a 22kw charger wouldn't be enough.
It will effect retail value though as the cars without CCS charging option will always be worth less without it & be less desirable
Any resolution of the side airbag issue? That puts me off looking at the ZE50 tbh.
Agree with you on the screen thing - my first thought on it was it just looks like someone glued an old ipad there.... it bugs me too
I love North Yorkshire, especially around Harrogate and Knaresborough. I was supposed to be there last month, but a little virus got in the way.
The Zoe looks like it would fit the bill for me, but they're not sold in Canada, assuming I could afford one.
Good video, thanks, but I’m surprised you didn’t mention the fact that it hasn’t got liquid battery cooling like the Leaf which really limits the battery life.
It's an air cooled battery, the Leaf doesn't even have that.
@@ElectricVehicleMan yes, I know. We had a deposit down on a new 64kw leaf, but cancelled when we found out about the lack of battery cooling. We were messed around for 3 months being told that it will be with us soon. We then found out that Nissan had put the delivery date back to February 2022, but the dealer lied and said it was December so as not to lose our purchase! We have now gone for a Kia EV6 that has liquid battery cooling. Love your videos by the way, so please keep them up!
I would be interested if the E-208 and the corsa-e have a less of a drop in winter if they have proper battery conditioning.
Is it wise to have telephone numbers displayed on the tablet style console? You can guarantee people will try them.
They’re both scammer numbers from memory so knock yourself out!
A refreshing review.
BTW, I can't find the Tesla or octopus links in the description.
Here's my Octopus link if you want to use it?
share.octopus.energy/alive-dove-609
Yes please try Hyundai ioniq electric
Had my Zoe for just over a month.
Great little car. My previous cars have been 'buses' - Sharan, Grand Voyager, Evoque and so quite a stepdown size-wise. Storage solved with false floor in the boot and armrest (though you lose a cupholder) to hide away small items.
Other car in household is TM3 - can't compare, but I prefer the dials to virtually everything on touchscreen (which I have to re-learn each time I take the Tesla out). Despite this being a 'second' car, range was important as I don't want to have to borrow the Tesla for when I'll eventually be able to go on long trips. Getting good range for winter (160 miles). Seems economical. (NB - NHS so I am driving every day). btw - used Carwow for big discount so didn't notice the cost of the extras (CCS and accessories) quite so much.
The blank buttons should always be user configurable.
Or at least have a function in the full spec version. Then the blank button is a reminder of what you're missing out on because you didn't buy it. I don't like that either, but at least it makes kind of sense. As opposed to a button that is blank in all specs.
Maybe heated seats or something , day running lights, pedestrian alert noise
User configurable means they can be anything, like cruise control at three different speeds or heated seat at each setting or roll two windows down... Etc
@@arenjay3278 yes, but user configurable is technically difficult because usually these buttons are hard-wired to control something, not inputs for a computer that controls the same thing. That is, the button for the heated seat is connected to that seat and is just a switch, like switches in a typical house.
Ik it's no comparison, but my 2007 Seat Altea xl doesn't have blanked out buttons. It's a base model but the limited rebel plus version. Still, this looks nice though. I really like the refresh of the inside
I agree CCS (or CHAdeMO) should be standard...
Chademo is dying. Look at the latest rapid charging installations... Nearly all CCS.
Chademo is dying, I think the final nail in Chademo's coffin will be the new Nissan Aria, comes standard with CCS charging.
Did Renault say anything about the K-ZE that got publicised about a year ago....looks a bit like a slightly larger Zoe...? 🤔
CCS was an option on early i3 models and lack of it was a big negative for resale. I went for a version with CCS but have found that I have not used it in three years as it makes no sense on a car with a range extender / small battery. Totally depends on your personal use case. Agree it should be an at cost option though.
Good review. My 2007 Mégane has a huge glove box and covered storage between the front seats, drivers seat height adjustment and it's comfy reliable and very cheap to run.
As you say Zoe has poor storage. Big negative for me.
No seat height adjustment? Wow what an omission! Bad.
Prefer manual handbrake (fun, trust, feel, serviceability), and spare wheel.
As I do carry sheet material, can you get 2.5 metre boards inside (passenger footwell to rear hatch)?
In too many ways EV credentials apart, it's a significant downgrade on my 13 year old basic car.
Looks like a case of Renault having different opinion to me on what the essentials are.
You listed a bunch of things that a smaller car can’t do.
You want and need a bigger car so don’t look for a hatchback?
@@edwinsmith9617 apart from car length (Mégane 2 vs Zoe is about 8 inches), the items I mention are achievable in a Zoe sized car.
No good without CCS, also when reselling it I wouldn't even look at a car without CCS as you need that capability for unexpected journeys.
Removal of the Side Head Air bag protection, the key card activated pre heat / cooling and the opening of the charge flap were retrograde steps AND not including CCS as standard were all big mistakes on Renaults part. Interior & exterior restyling & use of more durable Megane 5 stud wheel hubs & suspension were improvements
CCS is standard now.
@@ElectricVehicleMan yes better late than never
A car review 🙂 Good stuff.
Yet to see Doug DeMuro do a review in the rain - or even in Yorkshire! Keep them coming👍
I hope they improved the battery management and longeivity of the battery.
Even a Tesla generally has at least one Knob in the car. ;)
do you mean the driver ???????
@@davidsworld5837 Yes. That was the joke.
@@GedUK sorry i killed your joke
@@davidsworld5837 D'oh!!
A good honest review Andy
I can see the motivation for keeping the glass surface small, but for those who have children who suffer from motion sickness and need to see the horizon to avoid being sick it’s not such a great thing...
And I agree, CCS should be standard.
Is it worth buying a type 2 cable to plug into untethered chargers? Does anyone use them very much?
Always a useful standby. I have used mine when I needed a top up out in the wilds of central Wales, plugged in for free while enjoying a meal and a read of the paper. Also useful at some National Trust properties!
I purchased a Renault Zoe in May 2019 and I was so disappointed. I am wondering whether other owners had similar experiences. In a tropical climate A/C is as essential as heating in a cold one. Well it did not work from day1. After several attempts to solve the problem, the agent obtained a free replacement of the condenser from the manufacturer. To this day it still does not work. Right from the start the tyre pressure sensor also kept issuing a warning to « Check tyre pressure » which invariably ended up being correct. The agent always managed to reset it so that it did not show up any more. Sometimes the whole system blocked saying STOP ! The car had to be towed away. Recently I was told that the sensors had to be replaced and when i had paid for it, the warning still cropped up. The agent is finally submitting a request to Renault to change the whole tyre pressure monitoring system. Moreover, the domestic charger that comes with the car was working on and off and stopped charging after 4 years. The Agent was not able to replace it so i do not avail of a portable charger any more. The screen is dark and reflets so much that the camera iis useless for reversing. I resort to mirrors and stick my head out of the window to reverse or park as in the good old days. I have read about this defect in the media. Of the 10 cars i have owned this is by far the worst buy. I may have been unlucky and fallen on a particularly faulty Zoe. or are there many others like me ? I am all the more disappointed by my first electric car that for many years it has been a dream for me to own one.
£28000 in Australia.
My wife's 2019 Kia Serato cost £13400 and it's a bigger car and can get 50 miles per gallon.
I want an EV but not at current prices.
I get the life of vehicle costs are cheaper for an EV, but Australian unleaded is half the price of UK, which is a big factor over the long term.
I do want an EV eventually.
Yep, fair point. Need to wait for something decent in the 2nd hand market myself. Or significant advances in the conversion market. I'd be well up for converting my car.
actually that aux in puts out noticeably better audio than bluetooth.
3:15 Not as disappointed as me some wanker in a Leaf sat on a rapid using AC pulling his 6.6KW for 9 hours. When there was a perfectly good double 7KW post next to it. That said I had to show some woman how to charge her car on Friday as was trying to get the Chademo into her Zoe :/
How does it compare to the MG ZS EV?
It’s overpriced and under specced
I think you nailed it. CCS should be standard. A lot of new EV buyers won’t even know to option it. I don’t kno if the price is too high because I know the CCS association gets a cut of every module sold. This is like the Porsche Taycan having a heat pump as an option in Europe and not standard.
IMO a heat pump should be standard on all EVs.
seat might fit u but what about the next owner?
The seat do move up and down. It's on a slop when you move it front and back. Think it's 4cm only tho. Might be enough for most ppl.