Tell me about it!!! Behold the untrained ear of music. Obviously he has no idea who he's talking about! If I was on that panel, I would encourage him to listen to Speak No Evil, Juju and maybe the All Seeing Eye and then let him report back. Then again, he'll still have no clue.. .
Wayne is punctual and brief in his style, fitting notes in wherever he "feels" them. He isn't all about long Coltranian passages. The man can play, and he has earned the right to play whatever he wants. A true classy legend.
@@skineyemin4276 The young Wayne Shorter played a lot like Coltrane on the tenor though. He sometimes did it with Weather Report as well. But I prefer Wayne's take on that tradition, and his compositional style of playing.
@@herrbonk3635 I think Wayne, like most young jazz tenor players his age during the 1950s, all wanted to or sounded somewhat like Trane. That couldn't be helped since the 3rd great jazz revolution was already taking place and I don't think Wayne sounded much like Trane when he was playing with Miles. To me, Louis Armstrong lead the first jazz revolution, Bird, Diz and other notable greats lead the 2nd.
The photon is a beam that starts at the base of the sun (Wayne is the center of the sun), the note is represnting the photon. Wayne holds the tone and pushes more air out of the saxophone which is representative of the photon traveling leaving the center and reaching the surface of the sun. The final push of air is from the surface to earth. He repeats and says that it's been happening for millions of years, but that the short term goal is a beam traveling, a linear beam which is why he plays one note to represent a linear beam. This video was awesome until the end. This shit doesn't even have to do with "jazz" it's art and symbolic representation. It is sound, not jazz just because there is a saxophone. It baffles me that this is "intellectual TV"
Am I literally the only person here who believes what he did was justified by the explanation he gave? It's the concept more than what you're hearing. The idea behind it is what makes that one note beautiful.
H.J.W Yeah, it has an organic nature to it and is more to do with the interpretation of the note rather than the straight forward concievement of it. Although I find it interesting that he only played one note in Milky Way (Weather Report). Correlation between one note and space?
No you are not the only one bro, but in a culture that makes a 19 year old Kardashian/Jenner a billionaire (for........?) you can not expect many to come close to getting it.
some of the detractors have said 'he's trolling', but really i think he's trolling on a deeper level than that even. he said in effect ' the photon is beyond & encompassing all of our short term human endeavors we believe are important & it is static and in place for millions of years." so he played a static note that stayed in one place with no ulterior goal and then got the response that HAHA "that note is boring (i.e doesn't help your short term endeavors)". So they proved the point for him lol
"The photon fears nothing" . He is right. Our minds usually go in all directions trying to explain what they can't wrap themselves around, trying to find "meaning". The photon instead, "is" meaning.
This is the parallel to life as we know it. Wayne, has nothing to prove and within this life, we spend so much time chasing something that is so powerful, real, engaging, and dynamic. Truth is, is that it has always been there with us and it's the most single incredible reality which is existing. It's really that simple. The expression, the thought, the extension is many things including oxygen, free thinking, and Love for starters. We can go on and on with the greatest words, diagrams, stories, and physical symbolic images, though only one thing remains. Now! Now! is a singular note in fact, a simple one. Now! is the Magnetic Universe. We are simply a grain of salt within this Dynamic System as Human Beings. We are not the beginning nor the end, we're just Now! like that beautiful note. Now! is a gift whether we see, hear (here), or feel it. The Photon was here before us and will be after with no regard for our single note or immaculate strand of notes. Thank you Wayne for making this Human Experience for me personally more beautiful in ways beyond comprehension. Same goes to you Herbie and Neil. I feel the Photon and we're not equipped to express what that is any better than what's already been done. Thank you
He’s actually right physically speaking that photon gets emitted at one frequency right? It’s not just changing frequencies randomly unless it encounters other particles
Wayne is absolutely right. He took your "short term goals and stuff like that..." and played just The Song asked. "... this photon is wrapping around that whole thing for millions and millions of years. And something else is wrapping around there, and that's us" Boom, in your mechanicist face. Be grateful he did not say " your silly short term goals". Thank you, MAESTRO 🙏
LOL! Yeah I thought he would've played like a very busy and condensed part (photon getting created and trying to escape the sun over 100k years) and then fly up to the top of register (hitting Earth in 8 minutes)!
thatnewlady follow me on tumblr Wayne Shorter literally lives on the fly. His long standing quartet has never had a rehearsal ever. In fact, Danilo Perez who is the pianist in Wayne's group asked Wayne when would the first rehearsal take place. Wayne responded "how can we rehearse the unknown?". This band plays existing material in vastly different ways and they compose new material in real time on stage. They don't have a road map .... they don't know who will play what on what song or the order that the songs happen. With all of that said, Wayne's one note response here was not a sign of him being devoid of what to play. But that one note expressed exactly what he imagined the scenario to be
"Oh oh... this is gonna be deep.." lol I dont know what the connection to "short term goals" is to a astrophysical photon, but if Wayne Shorter says there is, Im ok with it lol
Wayne disrespected himself thinking he could get away with that "here's what a photon sounds like" *plays one note* bullshit!!! he sounds terrible, especially on tenor!!! I will applaud Wayne for trolling everyone who listened to this and took him seriously. Greatest trolling of the audience of all time, even better than John Cage's 4:33
acemachine26 i mean he was disrespectful but your comment is just as disrespectful towards hip hop which in itself is pretty much jazz when you think about it
Wayne Shorter is one of my heroes and I've written so much music inspired from him his work, and honestly I think he was trying to fuck with Neil. From people I know who've played with him, they all say he can be a goon sometimes. I think it hilarious !
Chuck Nice is a goofball trying to be funny (and falling short) and will soon be forgotten. Wayne Shorter's music, however, will be here for eternity. And for you Chuck: Wayne wasn't playing Jazz; he was doing an impression of a photon traveling from the sun to the earth. Get a grip, dude!
just cause wayne shorter thinks differently from the way culture reacts to specific musical tropes that are conventional enough to be understood shouldn't make his genuine answer laughable. this token black comedian who repeats obvious things with a louder voice is not even a speck on wayne shorter's fantastic mind. also, wouldn't expect anything less than tyson's cloying, ingratiating reaction to a cultural-precedent-loving hack comedian's perception of wayne shorter's lateral genius.
Hey what is shown more respect and not laugh away knowing full well he was sitting right in front of him - Wayne Shorter. He definitely thought about the question and responded accordingly, end of story.
I'm a huge jazz head, mathematics undergraduate w/ coursework in quantum physics... I couldn't follow a word of what Wayne was saying or interpreting musically; was seeking a cue from Herbie's expression and got nothing.
I think Wayne was trying to convey the immensity of time on an astrophysical scale, relative to our perception of time and our expectations. We tend to want dynamics and entertainment on our terms, but that's not really what you get on the journey of a photon over hundreds of thousands of years. He could have tried to condense the whole journey down into a single phrase, which was the expectation, but he saw it as a much more expansive thing.
Dear National Geographic, You Have let me down for letting someone speak of a legend in such a way and posting this as if it's some sort of comedy. It is not. This so called "comedian" should not be featured on a show such as this, which such a narrow-minded and ignorant statement which only perpetuates more distaste in an art form which has already dwindled too much. Please request this man to speak of his statement and apologize or clarify his statements, because too many people take this to heart and will hold themselves back from opening their minds to the beauty and magic of jazz. Thank you.
MrShyguyguy If you watch the full episode, Chuck Nice was actually making a callback to an earlier point in the discussion regarding the declining popularity on jazz in the United States.
I will applaud Wayne for trolling everyone who listened to this and took him seriously. Greatest trolling of the audience of all time, even better than John Cage's 4:33
Comedians are stupid, everyone knows this. Especially modern ones LOL. Jack Benny was not stupid though, and I'm sure a bunch of other old ones weren't either
Why? Do we have frequently the chance to see a genius giving us a hint of their thinking or their creative process in real time? I think our societies are accustomed to junk food, this is why this video looks ridiculous to most people. We should accept not understanding how geniuses think or see the world. I don't think Wayne Shorter was teasing everybody. He was humble, honest and brave, and didn't hesitate a second in answering "yes" and taking the challenge. However he was more focused on expressing the "musical idea" that emerged instantly in his mind, than on giving an explanation with words that everybody could understand. He was quick in creating the "sound image". He was just not so quick at explaining himself so we, ordinary people, could understand what crossed his mind. If I understood well, he said "the photon fears nothing". Wayne Shorter didn't fear to be honest like a child. This experience was humbling for him, and it was humbling for me too.
The only analogy I can think of is that the time it takes for the photon of light to leave the core of the Earth represents the time and dedication for a musician to develop his craft to then play at that moment which represents the light reaching Earth in such a short amount of time. Fuck idk but I love Wayne and how different and funky he is
People who doesn't know a clue about music disrespecting the jazz legend
Tell me about it!!! Behold the untrained ear of music. Obviously he has no idea who he's talking about! If I was on that panel, I would encourage him to listen to Speak No Evil, Juju and maybe the All Seeing Eye and then let him report back. Then again, he'll still have no clue.. .
People focus just on the note but he creates a whole world with his tone. The concept brings art and beauty to the note.
This.
Wayne is punctual and brief in his style, fitting notes in wherever he "feels" them. He isn't all about long Coltranian passages. The man can play, and he has earned the right to play whatever he wants. A true classy legend.
I don't think Wayne Shorter was even about Coltranian passages, for the most part. Wayne "scrambles his eggs" differently.
@@skineyemin4276 I could not have said it better.
Which is why I put Shorter above Trane
@@skineyemin4276 The young Wayne Shorter played a lot like Coltrane on the tenor though. He sometimes did it with Weather Report as well. But I prefer Wayne's take on that tradition, and his compositional style of playing.
@@herrbonk3635 I think Wayne, like most young jazz tenor players his age during the 1950s, all wanted to or sounded somewhat like Trane. That couldn't be helped since the 3rd great jazz revolution was already taking place and I don't think Wayne sounded much like Trane when he was playing with Miles. To me, Louis Armstrong lead the first jazz revolution, Bird, Diz and other notable greats lead the 2nd.
The photon is a beam that starts at the base of the sun (Wayne is the center of the sun), the note is represnting the photon. Wayne holds the tone and pushes more air out of the saxophone which is representative of the photon traveling leaving the center and reaching the surface of the sun. The final push of air is from the surface to earth. He repeats and says that it's been happening for millions of years, but that the short term goal is a beam traveling, a linear beam which is why he plays one note to represent a linear beam. This video was awesome until the end. This shit doesn't even have to do with "jazz" it's art and symbolic representation. It is sound, not jazz just because there is a saxophone. It baffles me that this is "intellectual TV"
If I do that I'm an autistic person. If he does it, hes representing all this shit you talked about.
Kyle Benford lol
Well said.
Am I literally the only person here who believes what he did was justified by the explanation he gave? It's the concept more than what you're hearing. The idea behind it is what makes that one note beautiful.
H.J.W Yeah, it has an organic nature to it and is more to do with the interpretation of the note rather than the straight forward concievement of it. Although I find it interesting that he only played one note in Milky Way (Weather Report). Correlation between one note and space?
No you are not the only one bro, but in a culture that makes a 19 year old Kardashian/Jenner a billionaire (for........?) you can not expect many to come close to getting it.
You're not alone. I'm with you.
some of the detractors have said 'he's trolling', but really i think he's trolling on a deeper level than that even. he said in effect ' the photon is beyond & encompassing all of our short term human endeavors we believe are important & it is static and in place for millions of years." so he played a static note that stayed in one place with no ulterior goal and then got the response that HAHA "that note is boring (i.e doesn't help your short term endeavors)". So they proved the point for him lol
Only one people will know in 100 years- Wayne and Herbie. Wayne says more with less than most say with to much. Bless you Wayne. An inspiration.
"The photon fears nothing" . He is right. Our minds usually go in all directions trying to explain what they can't wrap themselves around, trying to find "meaning". The photon instead, "is" meaning.
Wayne is a great human being
He's a little crazy, or autistic, but a really great composer and player.
Definitely one of my idols, since almost 40 years.
Mr. Shorter just behaved like a Zen master, answering with a Koan.
Mr. Shorter is able to express the feeling ! 👍
Wayne is an amazing composer and musician. Check out songs like "Ana Maria" and "Infant Eyes". You owe it to him, since you made fun of him.
“The Photon Fears Nothing!” 😎✨
This is the parallel to life as we know it. Wayne, has nothing to prove and within this life, we spend so much time chasing something that is so powerful, real, engaging, and dynamic. Truth is, is that it has always been there with us and it's the most single incredible reality which is existing. It's really that simple. The expression, the thought, the extension is many things including oxygen, free thinking, and Love for starters. We can go on and on with the greatest words, diagrams, stories, and physical symbolic images, though only one thing remains. Now! Now! is a singular note in fact, a simple one. Now! is the Magnetic Universe. We are simply a grain of salt within this Dynamic System as Human Beings. We are not the beginning nor the end, we're just Now! like that beautiful note. Now! is a gift whether we see, hear (here), or feel it. The Photon was here before us and will be after with no regard for our single note or immaculate strand of notes. Thank you Wayne for making this Human Experience for me personally more beautiful in ways beyond comprehension. Same goes to you Herbie and Neil. I feel the Photon and we're not equipped to express what that is any better than what's already been done. Thank you
Herbie’s face is so hilarious. He’s like “Wayne cmon don’t mess with Neil so hard we’re on camera” 😂😂😂
He’s actually right physically speaking that photon gets emitted at one frequency right? It’s not just changing frequencies randomly unless it encounters other particles
He played Sol which means Sun in spanish.
Great detail showing his total understanding of the question.
Sol means ''alone'' in latinus
@@jhsounds In some languages solfege refer to fixed pitches
He gets it, you know. He has listened to you
Listen to the song Milky Way, on the first Weather Report album
Most people does not hate jazz (specially Shorter's music) nor opportunistic commedians
R.I.P Wayne Shorter❤️🙏🏾
Wayne is absolutely right. He took your "short term goals and stuff like that..." and played just The Song asked.
"... this photon is wrapping around that whole thing for millions and millions of years. And something else is wrapping around there, and that's us"
Boom, in your mechanicist face. Be grateful he did not say " your silly short term goals". Thank you, MAESTRO 🙏
He leads with his spirit,the spirit of flight,the spirit of love,the spirit of his heart ...
Wayne Photon standing tall and vibrating and gonna have to hit the can but he gotta wait. Then when he go, he gone.
wayne played exactly what i was thinking.
LOL! Yeah I thought he would've played like a very busy and condensed part (photon getting created and trying to escape the sun over 100k years) and then fly up to the top of register (hitting Earth in 8 minutes)!
RIEST IN POWER TO THE BEST IMPROVISER OF ALL TIME !!! he inspired us all
lol that's what happens when you ask him to do something as elaborate as that on the fly lmfao
thatnewlady follow me on tumblr Wayne Shorter literally lives on the fly. His long standing quartet has never had a rehearsal ever. In fact, Danilo Perez who is the pianist in Wayne's group asked Wayne when would the first rehearsal take place. Wayne responded "how can we rehearse the unknown?". This band plays existing material in vastly different ways and they compose new material in real time on stage. They don't have a road map .... they don't know who will play what on what song or the order that the songs happen. With all of that said, Wayne's one note response here was not a sign of him being devoid of what to play. But that one note expressed exactly what he imagined the scenario to be
4 is my favorite number
The saxophone reminds me of playing Imagine in 2014. 🎷It's also my favorite solo♬
Wayne Shorter departed in March. When he is not playing many notes, Shorter looks like a nihilistic monk traveling freely in outer space.🎷
RIP Wayne Shorter
"Oh oh... this is gonna be deep.." lol I dont know what the connection to "short term goals" is to a astrophysical photon, but if Wayne Shorter says there is, Im ok with it lol
Wayne Shorter is a Legend whether u understand his expression or not. I think do think he was trolling tho
i am also disappointed with how that was done. I wish they would have treated a master and a genius of another style with more respect.
Herbie Hancock: ...no comment
who the fuck would dislike this shit?
It's because of Chuck Nice's smart-ass remark
Wayne!
Album, "Odyssey of Iska" explains life in one album
He knows!
Who is Chuck Nice ?
I feel like this was disrespectful to Wayne Shorter.
Wayne disrespected himself thinking he could get away with that "here's what a photon sounds like" *plays one note* bullshit!!! he sounds terrible, especially on tenor!!! I will applaud Wayne for trolling everyone who listened to this and took him seriously. Greatest trolling of the audience of all time, even better than John Cage's 4:33
Do you know what a photon is ? This wasn't jazz, simply the expression of physic through music, and it was the purest way to do it.
Matkat Music Go read my comment. You are a disgrace and I hope you are ashamed of yourself. You dont even deserve do experience real art.
You have much to learn. In do time
Aww how adorable, I bet that dude listens mainly to hip-hop.
That dude? And I doubt it...
acemachine26 i mean he was disrespectful but your comment is just as disrespectful towards hip hop which in itself is pretty much jazz when you think about it
I see herbie
That was totally ridiculous and disrespectful to one of the giants of Music. Grow up people.
David Geyer Rhoades Totally!
Disrespectful to Wayne Shorter, the jazz legend.
Was he disrespectful to himself?
Because he only chose to play one note. That's not Jazz, that's poetry.
The comments afterwards were disrespectful. The man is just a legend whatever He plays.
One note is not playing :P
Everybody in the world and their mother can play one note.
Tanis W. Just quick examples: Johnny "Guitar" Watson and Neil Young one note solos...
Wayne Shorter is one of my heroes and I've written so much music inspired from him his work, and honestly I think he was trying to fuck with Neil. From people I know who've played with him, they all say he can be a goon sometimes. I think it hilarious !
Chuck Nice is a goofball trying to be funny (and falling short) and will soon be forgotten. Wayne Shorter's music, however, will be here for eternity. And for you Chuck: Wayne wasn't playing Jazz; he was doing an impression of a photon traveling from the sun to the earth. Get a grip, dude!
oh wait, now I see why, fuck.
Herbie Hancock!
how bout "feel the electron"
Chuck Nice Sith Lord.
throwing in a cheap joke to cover the embarrasement over having no idea what he was talking about isn't very classy.
just cause wayne shorter thinks differently from the way culture reacts to specific musical tropes that are conventional enough to be understood shouldn't make his genuine answer laughable. this token black comedian who repeats obvious things with a louder voice is not even a speck on wayne shorter's fantastic mind. also, wouldn't expect anything less than tyson's cloying, ingratiating reaction to a cultural-precedent-loving hack comedian's perception of wayne shorter's lateral genius.
Hey what is shown more respect and not laugh away knowing full well he was sitting right in front of him - Wayne Shorter. He definitely thought about the question and responded accordingly, end of story.
I'm a huge jazz head, mathematics undergraduate w/ coursework in quantum physics... I couldn't follow a word of what Wayne was saying or interpreting musically; was seeking a cue from Herbie's expression and got nothing.
Time to get a bigger jazz head then...
I think Wayne was trying to convey the immensity of time on an astrophysical scale, relative to our perception of time and our expectations. We tend to want dynamics and entertainment on our terms, but that's not really what you get on the journey of a photon over hundreds of thousands of years. He could have tried to condense the whole journey down into a single phrase, which was the expectation, but he saw it as a much more expansive thing.
@@rlm4471Wayne was just messing around lol. Herbie’s face says it all. He was like “Wayne cmon stop messing with Neil.” lol
Dear National Geographic,
You Have let me down for letting someone speak of a legend in such a way and posting this as if it's some sort of comedy. It is not. This so called "comedian" should not be featured on a show such as this, which such a narrow-minded and ignorant statement which only perpetuates more distaste in an art form which has already dwindled too much. Please request this man to speak of his statement and apologize or clarify his statements, because too many people take this to heart and will hold themselves back from opening their minds to the beauty and magic of jazz.
Thank you.
MrShyguyguy If you watch the full episode, Chuck Nice was actually making a callback to an earlier point in the discussion regarding the declining popularity on jazz in the United States.
Great words!
hahaha
Hardly gave the guy any time to really come up with something.
KiddPenn it's not like it needs more. To play something else would make it human
Tyson suggesting this whole thing was pretentious and served no purpose
He thinks hes so wise
God humble you
May God reveal himself to you
Who created the universe
Who is this Chuck Nice clown. Is he serious?
I will applaud Wayne for trolling everyone who listened to this and took him seriously. Greatest trolling of the audience of all time, even better than John Cage's 4:33
Matkat Music Shut up you monster
You don’t get it. Maybe you will in a few reincarnations. Good luck
I can’t believe how few people understand that Wayne was trolling 😂 they couldn’t take Neil seriously.
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Comedians are stupid, everyone knows this. Especially modern ones LOL. Jack Benny was not stupid though, and I'm sure a bunch of other old ones weren't either
wait until the end before disliking it
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ThemdropsDK wanker #2
Come on.... Jazz can be cooler than that..
Ash bro have you heard Wayne's stuff? Like with Art Blakey, Miles Davis and so on…
This is not Jazz. This is physic through music, even physic through pure sound.
it's hilarious but so disrespectful
please take this atrocity of a video down.
Why? Do we have frequently the chance to see a genius giving us a hint of their thinking or their creative process in real time? I think our societies are accustomed to junk food, this is why this video looks ridiculous to most people. We should accept not understanding how geniuses think or see the world. I don't think Wayne Shorter was teasing everybody. He was humble, honest and brave, and didn't hesitate a second in answering "yes" and taking the challenge.
However he was more focused on expressing the "musical idea" that emerged instantly in his mind, than on giving an explanation with words that everybody could understand. He was quick in creating the "sound image".
He was just not so quick at explaining himself so we, ordinary people, could understand what crossed his mind. If I understood well, he said "the photon fears nothing". Wayne Shorter didn't fear to be honest like a child.
This experience was humbling for him, and it was humbling for me too.
Well i'll never get those 2 minutes and 44 seconds of my life back
The only analogy I can think of is that the time it takes for the photon of light to leave the core of the Earth represents the time and dedication for a musician to develop his craft to then play at that moment which represents the light reaching Earth in such a short amount of time. Fuck idk but I love Wayne and how different and funky he is