Gibson SG Bass vs. Gibson SG Bass | GIBSON A GO GO
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
- Both of these SG Basses are strung with La Bella RX-N4D Rx Nickel, 45-65-85-105 strings and set up as close to the same as possible.
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0:00 Intro
0:05 Both Pickups On - King Nothing
0:39 Gibson A Go Go Series Overview
1:35 Neck Pickup - Wicker Man/Futureal
2:20 2015 Gibson SG Overview
3:30 Neck Pickup - Without Me
3:45 Rubber Band E String
5:30 2021 SG Bass Overview
6:54 Bridge Pickup - Vital Signs
7:24 Bridge Pickup - Middletown Dreams
7:57 Pickup Differences
8:34 Unplugged Differences
9:07 Both Pickups - FIXXXER
10:04 My Understanding of How Wood Affects Tone
12:54 Neck/Both/Bridge Pickups - Sure Know Something
14:41 My Previous Experiences with Wood Tone
16:33 Final Thoughts
18:58 Both Pickups - ...And Justice for All
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Wow an SG bass that doesnt sound like garbage (the black one obviously)
Incredible
I love mine. An SG Bass sounds best w a pick.
Yep, it's the black one for me. Hotter signal, and a bit of that bright percussive attack that I like.
If you’re dealing with the rubber band string problem, size up your gauge. Lighter strings usually work better on long scales and heavy gauge on short scales. Its all about the tension of the string. Size up, sand the nut and problem solved. Higher tensions also allows you to have lower action. Techs can make any guitar feel correct. Every guitar is different, just a matter of adjustments.
#Physics
Always at least medium gauge on a shorty, never light. La Bella makes short scale sets that are mega nice. The Mustang-specific set of flats might be the best set of strings I ever tried/heard.
I always use heavy gauge stainless on my shorties. They sound fantastic!
Thanks for the video, which was both interesting and very useful to me! Keep ‘em coming fellah!
I’ve had EB-3’s, EB-0’s even a 1972 EB-3 long scale. Oh, yes and many others like Music Man and currently- a burgundy, Jack Bruce Warwick Survivor bass. What makes this SG bass tempting to buy is the tuning stability which my earlier EB-3’s lacked, especially when bending strings like Bruce did in West Bruce & Laing. Short scale basses are unique in that you can bend strings like a guitarist. Hard, very hard to do on a 24 fret bass. The short scale is great because you focus on what you can create. Jack Bruce on live Cream: Sweet Wine in C, Spoonful and I’m So Glad in E. Using open strings to beef up the fretted notes. Or push against the fret of the 7th note bending to the 8 octave as Jack would describe. Getting that blue note then resolving to the 5th.
Your REVIEW and demo has pushed me to purchase this bass. I love the tone samples. Good technical dissertation as well. You have passion -for your love of bass. I appreciate that.
I don't know if someone have already commented something about the direction the wood was cut, I mean radial or tangencial cutting direction. If I'm not wrong you consider the center of the tree as reference for that. That's why (I've seen don't remember where) 'the same tree can produce different instruments'.
Nicely done! Some Rush and some overlooked Rush! And did I hear Futurereal from Iron Maiden? Well done. I don’t think I’ve ever had the opportunity to try a Gibson?
I’m really enjoying the new content of the channel. Keep it up! Brent VT
Yep! It was a little medley of Wicker Man and Futureal.
Noice!!! ;)
I own a 1974 EB3 bass I bought in the late 80's which I significantly modified. I pawned it to a friend for a debt in the 90's. 30 years later I found the guy on Facebook and got the bass back. I found a mudbucker pickup online and a rewire kit and a few other parts (epi): mini humbucker cover and chrome bridge cover and had my luthier restore it back to normal. The '74 has a 3-piece laminated maple neck with a heal behind the nut. It is also the first year of the 3-point bridge. Les Paul guitars of the same era also came with a maple neck. Another significant difference to this bass is the placement of the mudbucker pickup several inches away from the neck which is closer to most other basses. I had troubles with the E string sounding "unsure" of the pitch. I've always been a "thicker strings are better" guy but I was determined to find a flat string that worked. In my younger years with the bass I never noticed a problem with the E string. I was a round wound guy then. Perhaps I was to high to notice, lol. Anyway, I tried out the Tomasik Enfield Jazz short scale you mentioned and it seemed better. Though they are very expensive I purposely flexed the E string very close to the break point over the bridge "breaking in" the flex point of the "folcrum" of the string/bridge. Thankfully I didn't break the string and now I do not notice the "unsure" pitch at all. I absolutely love this bass. The quality of the feel is "special" compared to my USA P-bass which just sits in the case now. There is the slightest issue with the E string still but last night at a gig I notice a couple things. If I play the string hard; the E just sounds a little softer but playing with a softer touch over all the strings, the strings are more equal in tone. Another thing I noticed is if I pluck closer to the neck the strings sound more even in tone and output. I did also raise the mudbucker closer on the bass side of the strings.
It makes a difference, but it has little impact. Order of importance IMO :
pickups positioning > pickup type > pickup model > on board preamp > pots > neck wood > body wood.
Wood only matters acoustically.
For Electric it’s all for feel and weight.
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@@18JR78 No it does matter, just not as much as some people say it does. Like the guy explained, it will absorb some harmonics of the string vibrations more than others depending on the wood. This absorbed energy changes how the string vibrates and and therefore what is picked up by the pickup.
His bouncy ball analogy of how the ball bounces on a carpet vs concrete was excellent.
@@flipper2gv
The percentage that matters is so low it means it doesn’t matter, because math 😂. If you’re drinking juice labeled 1% juice, yes it has juice but you’re not actually gaining the benefits of a whole fruit haha. Want more sustain on your guitar? Get a boost or compressor. So many ways to manipulate the electric sound that it’s not a big deal. Not everyone is playing Pink Floyd, most musical notes are fast changes.
@@18JR78 I agree it's not a big deal. I'd say more along the line ~2-3% for body wood and ~5-7% for neck wood but I agree with the general sentiment.
I just found this video and I was pleasantly surprised to hear him talk about the dead E. I have a 2011 in ebony that I bought brand new and the E is almost totally dead. I am just a hobbyist bass player and thought maybe I'm just playing it wrong all these years but this confirms it's not me being terrible but the bass itself. lol
I had a set of flatwounds custom made for my Gibson bass, for tuning in 5ths. The low D string initially had the rubberband sound, but I placed an adjustable capo above the nut to increase the break angle, and voila! I should've left more length on the string to wrap around the post a few more times.
I've got the feeling that the rigidity of the neck has a huge effect on the way the string vibrates.
I have a 2015 SG bass similar to yours with a Babicz bridge, however no rubber band effect.
Also when buying this bass, I A/B'd it against a 2019 SG bass and the only other visible difference was the thickness of their respective necks - the 2015 having a noticeably thicker neck and consequently superior tone.
There was no contest between the two basses - the 2015 sounded significantly better.
Also the luthier I later used to set this bass up commented that it played and sounded much better than any non-2015 SG basses he had previously worked on.
I think you could also look at it (simplified) in following way: not only the strings vibrate against the pickup, but pickup also vibrates (with the body it is attached to) against the strings, and it is a sum of the vibrations that is picked up.
I have always said that some guitars have "the spark of life". I am fortunate to live near Sweetwater in Ft.Wayne, I was looking to buy a Guild Starfire 1, I was able to play/compare 5 exact models. 2 were dead, 2 played/sounded good, but 1 had the Spark, the "it" factor, and clearly was superior to the other 4. You never realize it until you can play multiple side by side, same amp, same settings.
I think that maybe the grain of the wood may have a part to play as well. Going with the idea that the vibration of the string passes through the body, why wouldn’t the grain affect the way that sound waves travel. For instance, fender custom shop necks usually have 1/4 sawn necks with a really straight grain that travels from headstock to heel. Wouldn’t that provide a nice clear path for sound to travel? Depending on how the grain of the wood in the body appears would also affect how the sound is able to bounce around and vibrate. Kinda like watching water travel through a stream out in na ture… if there are big rocks in the water, the flow is compromised, but if the stream is clear, it flows faster. Being a black color on the new SG, you can’t see the grain and how it’s constructed. Just my 2¢. But, look at the custom shop fenders… usually the grain on the bodies and necks are poker straight… probably providing a nice clear path for sound to travel. It’s always been something I considered when buying a guitar, how the grain appears. AND, the vsauce comment made me smile. Michael is the man!
I ‘sure know somethin’, it was a great video ..good job man
Having two SG, both set neck, both all mohogany, there are a couple of reasons I may think for the difference in unplugged acoustics, wich are the tuners, the bridge (wich may have been upgraded to solve the "dead E" issue) or there could be an issue with old glue setting the neck in place for the red... not too sure of the latter though.
They changed the bridge to fix the dead E. It also changed the sound of the entire guitar, made it sound really really, good, made the bass sound deeper too.That's why the bridges today look differently, and of course its price skyrocketed too, lol.
Thanks for reminding me about this, i had a Gibson SG bass with the floppy E string, so annoying, like you tried different strings. I owned a MIJ 70s EB3 short scale that had a tight and punchy E string.
I normally had this issue with my bass
It’s an Ibanez GSRM20
But
Ever since I went back to using D’addario Prosteels
They’ve sounded amazing since
Sounds fantastic.
Woooops. !! ha ha Middletown Dreams. I remember the videos at the Rush show. LA Forum 1985-6 (?) The videos were animated. It was cool. Huge Rush fan here.
Cheers from L.A.
What a difference night and day.The red one sounds like someone covered the amp with a blanket.The black one is clear,rings out well.
My SG is somewhere between them.
Yeah mine also sounds like that. Isn't it surprising that the one w the lousy stock bridge sounds better?
@@bflo1000 I heard more demos of 2015 sg and it sounds similar to this one.
A better designed bridge doesnt always equals better sound,often fenders sound best with the simple bent plate bridge.
Btw i installed fresh strings and now my sg sounds like the black one exactly.
@@leonidis6225 Nice! All I use on all my basses are heavy gauge strings.
The black sounds more clear and a little high. The black is better for me!
Both good, just a matter of music genre. Black one definitely more modern sounding. Nice and thick.
Superb sound.
Was the same problem with E on my Epiphone SG Bass
Man that 2021 SG sounded so good and I strictly play fenders so that’s saying something lol
I love muddy basses because when I crank any amp loud, I can feel my playing and be really loud without shredding my ears with treble
Whoah that’s so weird about the rubber band E!
I own a beach series Gibson SG bass and I don’t have the E string problem
More Gibson a GO GO!!!
I too have the infatuation with these SG style bases. Unfortunately, I can only afford Epi versions. I have a Epi EB0 30", and Epi EB3 34". I also have a law suite 1989 Global Epi EB3 short 30". All three sound incredibly different but still with that mud tone on the bottom E. Strangely enough, the law suite EB3 short has slightly more attack treble on it. I recently found out that the body is made of 6 ply wood, LoL. I use identically the same strings as you, however, for the short scale EB's mine are LaBella "short scale". Your's say LaBella "long scale". Please explain long scale on a short scale. Thx.
Pretty hard to hear as the black bass sounds much louder. I feel it has indeed more high mids doesn't it?
Here is another thought for you. The pickups are fixed to the body (wood) different wood vibrations are due to wood density. More dense wood equals more vibration and viscera. Feel the vibrations in your body. So the more the wood moves the more the pickups move. String movement, more pickup movements, different tones. ? Just a thought. Sincerely, Pops Fitch.
The difference between the two guitars is the bridge. Try the three point bridge on the red bass. Maybe the Babicz contact to the wood causes muddier tone. I have the same bass from like 2008. It still has the original three point bridge. I replaced the bridge pickup to a Seymour Duncan hot mini hum bucker. The bass is never going to sound like a thirty four inch scale jazz bass. But I do get more clarity with the replacement pickup..
the bridge and the nut will make a bigger difference than the wood in my experience even not plugged in. Since they both have different bridges that could be a major factor right there. Also Gibson changed from bone nut to plastic at some point so i'd also check that. The only true way to test this is to swap all of the hardware and electronics to the red one and set it up exactly the same with the same strings. you also have to make sure the pickups are the exact same distance from the strings, same action, truss rod adjustment etc. I'd also measure to make sure the scale is the same on both, that low E on the red one looks way slinkier than the black one.
i think the black one has an ebony fingerboard.. it could explain the boosted sound
I have Sire basses in mahogany, Adler and ash they all sound different.
Wood makes a difference
Never heard the term rubber band E string before but my Rick 4003 has it and it's one of the most unnerving problems a bass can have. A dead spot on a high note is bad enough, but not having that low E makes the bass feel distinctly "less than". As with all such problems it comes down to resonance and replacing parts doesn't help much. Luthiers are well aware of this stuff but the problem is they don't know there's a problem until the instrument is done. At that point they have to sell it or else they lose all that money.
Possible the nut slot is cut wonky on the red low e.
Have you played the 2023s? I've been on the lookout for a 2021;
I feel like maybe that bridge on the red one is causing that...i could be wrong, but, the black one has the standard 3 point bridge, and the red one has a Babicz(?) Full Contact bridge, and you're getting the dead "E"...thats the only real difference between the 2
Scale length and string gauge. Easy fix.
Have you tried the Gibson DC short scale? Thoughts? Big fan of short scales.
The Gibson DC is awesome!
Have you tried labella flats.fixed my club bass
No es solo un problema de tu Gibson SG Bass 2015. Tengo un epiphone eb0 2010-2011, y por un tiempo, con un par de encordados tuve el problema de la cuerda E generaba menos ganancia que las demás
thanks for your info. I like your chanel its great
Ya everything the wood the direction the fret markers the metal they use even on the bridge everything effects the sound
I have a Ltd and a schecter elite they come stock as the same pickups same bridge and basically the same tunners and they sound extremely differently so pickups don't just make the sound at all I build guitars finding good wood is key to any guitar build like even the pick gaurd can change the sound it's all about like you said absorbtion of the vibration
I have stock 2006. I use heavy rounds on ALL my basses, and don't have a rubber band E string.
The wood vibrates the screws of the pick ups making the pick ups move in a unique way, hence the tone......
But springs and foam are placed under the PUs and in their screws in order to avoid this 🤔
Tonewood, Yes finally someone is discussing this. Nobody ever wants to talk about it.
it's such a hard thing to talk about objectively! The two schools of thought - tonewood is everything and tonewood is bunk - are polarized, while the truth is not 100% one way or the other as far as I can tell. The guy who recently did the guitar experiment all the way down to no body or neck at all definitely got real results, but from what I can tell even the outcome of that video has been debated.
The black one sounds much better for real :DD
Definitely has a modern tone to it. More low end for sure.
Of course, it's louder haha
@@heythaian I tought so, but I added more volume when the red came in, so yeah
That being said, I do think it sounds better. Higher mids are much more present.
The bridge may be the difference. The Babicz touches the top ,the Gibson is floating.
I'm not a bass player, but I've owned a few Gibson guitars, usually Les pauls and Firebirds. Every now and then I come across one with a dead bottom E, even on custom shop models, tried different tuners, bridges, tailpieces, you name it, never been able to cure the problem. You really need to try before you buy if possible.
Same model and pickups? Same pickup height? Same bridge and frets? I have two identical basses with the same lindy fralin pickups but they sound different my guess was the pickup winding count was different but then I noticed the pickup height was totally off. Problem solved.
Obviously it's the colour that affects the tone the most. :D
Thank you for playing riffs that actually demonstrate bass tone instead of showing off in a video about bass tone . You wouldn't think that that kind of goal oriented pursuit would be such a rare thing but sadly it is. Bass players suffering from low-esteem problems (pun intended) shouldn't make product videos. Thanks again!
Nice video.
So glad I own a Greco!
The volume on the Black is much louder. you need to match the volumes better to get a fair comparison.
That was part of the comparison. Set up the same way (even pickup setup), the black one was louder.
What about Rotosound strings?
The neck on the red one is probably less stiff.
Totally unscientific opinion, but I find the wood of the body matters less than the wood/construction of the neck. The note originates there and the quality of the wood and the construction go in to how a note resonates. The pickups are probably the biggest factor and the type and gauge of the string probably a close second. I've never played a headless bass so I don't know how those sound and feel, but I seem to get the best results if the neck is made of more than one piece of wood. My best bass, a Warmoth Gecko Wide, is five pieces with a separate piece for the end of the neck and a separate fretboard. It is also 35" scale, but I'm not sure that is as much a factor as some say. Low Es and Bs often seem to be flabby to me even on a P or J bass. Just my experience..
May make a difference in sustain. Definitely makes a difference for how "alive" the instrument feels under your fingers and against your body. Doesn't change the tone directly. May make you play better because of the feel and that may result in your fingers producing better tone.
See this is my personal take on tonewood's "truth or falsehood" as well. Different wood will yield different resonance and response, possibly sustain as well depending on how "hard" the contact points are between string hardware and body. Now, whether different woods yield a different EQ curve, THAT is where I lean more toward the 'no it doesn't' camp...
@@davedixon2167
Agreed
Just a dumb question but why did you put long scale stings on these short scale basses?
Probably a dumb answer but they were free 🤷🏻♂️
whats the neck dive like on these, the epiphone sg was insane
I use a thick leather strap, so no problem. Other wise mine would have dive.
Used a 3 inch daddario, great strap, neck dive gone
I have something for you to think on.
I have 2 sg basses... one is Gibson standard Sg bass the other is the Epiphone sister. Both are great... but why does my Epiphone play better and sound better than my expensive Gibson?
Perhaps it has to do with how the instruments are set up?
@@f2detaboada Had the both professionally set up... the Epiphone just sounded better and did not have that dead sounding E string deadness. It was shocking, noting the price gap.
@@JDWheels1 Man that sucks tbh
@@f2detaboada That's hard to believe I've had both and the Epi was lame as hell compared to the Gibby. I'm talking playability and sound. Maybe you the J-style neck on the Epi. The Gibby neck is more substantial.
Aren't the epi's long scale?
This is my recommendation for a short scale bass
Use stainless steel strings
They’re brighter
More punchy and have a better tond
Or buy a Rheingold BP2 bass preamp. You can actually make a dull bass sound bigger and bright as a new set of strings. I’ll link you a video rn. My favorite secret weapon for any bass.
Here you go. This link at 4:18
ruclips.net/video/SLBdW3edMiU/видео.html
I love my gibsons, my thunderbird is my number 1
It's the player behind the
instrument.
have u played mike watt sig bass ?
I (Dave) had a mkI Wattplower for awhile and hope to get my hands on a green mkII before too long! Not sure if the other guys have played one, outside of I think Josh using one in an earlier NAMM vid.
Rush too. oooooh Marathon
Not sure why but the black one sounds better
The black one sounds way more prominent and "in your face"
I like it way more
Hi. Great re-visited metallica stuff!!! Also you have too much true in all yours sentencies. So embrace your tone pasion dude!!!
So, now you're in Vegas, you're rocking some Elvis-ish haircut...
Well, seems legit alright.
But, coming back to the subject : the question is not as much what the strings put out (kinda "what" they vibrate) as how they vibrate : are they looser or tighter (to be very, very unspecific and imprecise).
What makes the beginning of the signal is the strings disrupting the magnetic field produced by the pickups and not what the pickups pick up. So, in a way, we can say that wood may matter a bit but in a very marginal way ; and not by "sending back energy" from the strings but by allowing the bridge to vibrate more or less : the strings being directly in contact with the saddles that are on that aforementioned bridge, the way it vibrates plays a part in the way the strings vibrate. But it is soooooo minimal compared to the placement and construction of the pickups, the electronics and the scale length that I'm not even sure it can be measured.
However, acoustic phenomenons play a huge part on how we, as players, feel an instrument and how we're gonna play it in reaction to that feeling so, how the wood "sounds" is a part of the sound we're gonna have. Just not by playing a role in the "electric" part of the sound itself.
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Black sounds much better.
Wood has absolutely nothing to do with tone.
Your pickups are picking up the vibrations of the strings. Its impossible to pick up any tone from wood or anything like that.
Your string gauge, string height, pickup position, things like that, are the only thing that will affect it.
It might make a difference when playing it acoustic/not plugged in, but yeh...
Great video explaining and testing it:
ruclips.net/video/n02tImce3AE/видео.html
@@emerald_archer We have all seen this video. Some people have mentioned there being an audible difference in this very video between the setups the guy goes through, so that’s not the end of the argument. The wood’s contribution is to the vibrating mass of the whole instrument and how that feeds back into the strings TO be picked up by the coils. My personal take is that the wood contributes to that - resonance and response specifically - not to the “color” of the sound per se.
“One toke over the line sweet Jesus,one toke over the line”.,lol,lol,lmao.yes your right the black bass sounds punchier,more articulate.the quality of the wood on the newer guitars is superior to the wood used 5 yrs ago.I have both types
Should've got an Epiphone.
Thank you for being the most informed with this instrument all the rest suck
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