thank you guys for all ur feedback as it helps me learn and improve from this ❤ updated takes: blood/gore is fine with a warning, as it’s up to the parents to monitor kids access not me. also there are older people in the fandom who enjoy that stuff. maps: there are beginner friendly maps, but i don’t like the label “beginner friendly” since it’s kinda backhanded in my opinion also it’s fine to like murderer characters just don’t glorify them i still believe there’s no place in the fandom for sexual content with feral cats
also do not comment on gueses videos as it’s what they want. they want haters to comment and harass their videos because they’re a troll and it boosts it in the algorithm, this is why i removed the link to their video from my description in hopes that ppl wouldn’t have easy access to it and would discourage discovering it so that it wouldn’t get the algorithm boost
How the hell is "beginner friendly" backhanded? It's an opportunity for beginners to get involved in maps and improve. What the hell else are they supposed to label it?
@toastrrbath sorry. That was a bit aggressive. Well, the point of it being "beginner friendly" is so that those who are new to animation can get more practice. I don't really see it as backhanded, just more like an opening to those who are still improving their skills. Like an entry-level job.
I don't agree with the second point, about horror/gore. This fandom doesn't just have young kids in it, theres plenty of older teenagers and adults as well, and they should be able to make more mature content (as in horror/blood/gore, not nsfw themes, those are still gross as its feral cats) for other people in that age range to enjoy as well. I think PetitPoisson is an incredibly talented horror artist for older fans of the series to enjoy and it certainly isn't their fault that kids with unrestricted internet access watch their videos. Your own personal experiences are irrelvant when ultimately it still wasn't the content creators faults that you came across that stuff and chose to watch it as a child.
I second that, technically this series was meant for *early teenagers*, kids who are more developed and able to handle and understand these topics. I think because the series is about cats, parents just assume its alright and let their kids buy the books and be exposed to the material. Really you can't place the blame on one side directly, as the issue of exposing children to violent and disturbing content in the fandom can't really be heavily blamed on anyone. The artist shouldn't hold back their talent just because kids might watch it, parents can't be expected to have perfect foresight, and the younger audience is just drawn to the idea of talking cats in a fantasy world. No one is really at fault when blood/gore/horror aspects are involved, especially in a fandom where gruesome death's like Tigerstar are explained in thorough detail.
I also don't get that point as Warrior Cats literally has blood and gore and horror in it. Scourge disembowels Tigerstar, in Goosefeather's Curse we read about dead cats piling up in camp, Bramblestar kills his own brother, Shadowsight has seizures, Sparkpelt almost gets killed by dogs, Frostpaw had to see her mother get mauled by dogs, Snowkit was taken away by a Hawk, when Bristlefrost dies in the Dark Forest Ivypool said her body irl disappeared, etc. How is it wrong to draw stuff that literally happens in the books?
I was reading these when I was 8 and I started watching the walking dead when I was 4 and here I am now thinking at 3 AM someone will randomly walk in my room and kill me. I'm 12 btw
I agree too that gore, horror, etc should be allowed due to we literally get described a scene about Tigerstar getting gutted from his chin to his tail but of course, yeah, making any NSFW thing with CATS is absolutely disgusting and reminds me there are also people in the fandom that make Warrior Cat fanfic lemons which are GROSS, I stumbled upon them at a young age on DA (of course it was DA) and it has scarred me with that knowledge those exist
This is the same kind of argument people used to try and censor rap music and video games in the 90s. The fact is, it is not the creator's job to police what a child is able to see online. It is their parent's job. Trigger Warnings are the same as ratings on a video game or movie, it is the parent's job to keep track of what their kids are watching and no artist or content creator should have to modify their content just cause a negligent parent didn’t do their job. Edit: The original version was a bit more aggressive than it needed to be.
I feel like the difference is when the content is being made for a child fandom. Warriors is rated 9+, and much of the fandom is underage. Showing NSFW or glorified grooming to a child fandom is horrifying and reprehensible, ESPECIALLY when some of the people participating are children. Minors were involved in the making of DROPITLIKEITSHOT and Straight Boyz, despite both having inappropriate content, the former being more disgusting however.
This. The parents should be more careful about what their children watch. It's not the creator's responsibility to turn everything into a RUclips Kids because of neglectful parenting.
no, depicting grooming in a positive light in a childrens fandom is horrible, and its also disgusting to draw it in general. just. extremely strange especially that lemons dude.... different than just having untagged gore. drawn cp is still cp and IS acknowledged by the law in the usa
Yeah i dont think they understand the part that we’re grossed out by is that its animated by REAL CHILDREN and was hosted by REAL ADULTS and posted on a website that doesnt allow rape fetish porn. The people behind it are literal predators
it speaks a lot about these people when they use the fiction excuse. theyre pretending that fiction exists in a vacuum. fiction affects reality in a range of ways. having this type of pedo shit out there without attempting to make a statement against it is horrific, because the media glorifying this crap can be used to hurt children. its terrifying to see the fandom evolve this way
@@ANALBONESas a guese supporter i can tell you some things about the dropitlikeitshot map if thats what you're on about. First off all, the host, guese, is not an adult, they are a 14 year old child. Second off all, the map is a map for problematic ships that no one would support.
Yeah and I found someone who made a vid defending the map saying “it’s satire it’s satire!” Like bruh😑 how retarted are geues fans. And not to mention he made a “map” with his OC having s3x with another person named pine. like bruh
Exactly! It’s absolutely vile seeing most of the comment section of that video defending Guese and the M.A.P itself. Saying it’s satirical, and it shouldn’t be taken seriously, and that it’s just pixels only on your screen. When the M.A.P portrays themes such as Pedophilia, animals engaging in coitus, even non-consensual coitus. Especially when Dropitlikeitshot is exposed to young minors, which would make them think it’s fine to normalize those topics. It’s more vile then bile. I hope more people realize that this content from Geuse isn’t right.
I've been in a lot of fandoms in my time and it is by far one of the least gross fandoms on the internet because of the fact that sexual stuff like this map are so surprisingly rare in the fandom. As for gore and blood: who cares? The book series itself is gorey, the 6th book opens up with the villain being gutted alive. I got into warrior cats when I was 9 years old (bare in mind that I was a very sensitive child, animals of farthing wood scared me at the time) and even I was fine with it. You can't blame the warrior cats fandom for being edgy as a child. Edit: I think it was a good decision to have the ThistelClaw x spottedleaf stuff in the books because unforunately children nowadays do need to be taught about the dangers of grooming. The only problem I have with it is that it could have been handled better. Second Edit: people don't like Mapleshade because she kills people, they like her because she's a likable villain with a tragic backstory, something that obviously is going to appeal to edgy tweens and young teens. Third edit because Im adding to this while watching the video: "She murders for fun" - no she doesn't. She murders for revenge, and justifiably so. Any mourning mother would want to do something similar to those responsible for her childrens' deaths. Edit four: "giving him attention for trying to murder kids" my sibling in Christ... he is a fictional character. He isn't going to try to murder more kids because people gave him attention. You can't be serious. Final edit: a child is not going to be perminantly mentally damaged by making an edgy warrior cats oc who kills other cats, nor will they be mentally damaged by reading a book series that has a lot of villains in it. People are allowed to like characters that you don't like, they're allowed to draw/animate them however they want, just because you personally don't like the character doesn't mean people need to stop liking them. I haven't been in the warrior cats fandom for two years now and somehow this video still annoyed me.
The problem with expecting popular map hosts to be beginner friendly is that no matter whether or not beginners can join. They will get a flood of applications and more than likely there will be a large chunk of apps that will be better qualified for the part. So the only real solution if you expect them to include beginners, is to either do a map with a raffle situation. Fair chance for all. Or do do a map ONLY for beginners. Otherwise you really cant expect large creators to pass up the opportunity to have the best quality possible. Its also incredibly obnoxious when people whine about not getting into a map. Ive been turned down from MANY maps I've wanted to get into. But that means I need to improve myself and try again later. A lot of lesser known creators still get into big maps if theyve put in the effort and built up the talent and skill. Better yourself instead of feeling bad for yourself. Or you'll never improve. Rejection is a part of growth and development. Embrace it and learn from it. As for the whole audience debaucle. Of course we shouldnt be promoting sexual material to the children of the fandom. Especially not here on RUclips. But the internet as a whole is an unsafe place for children in its entirety and we as a fandom should not be held accountable for what they find. Warriors is a bloody series. The fandom shows that well enough. Tigerstar was canonically ripped open from his neck to his hindquarters with sharpened dog teeth, swiftpaw and brightheart utterly mauled by dogs beyond repair, and those are brutal scenes, among many others, that you cant just pretend doesnt exist because there are 8 year olds around. Some of the fandom exaggerates the gore, sure, but it is cartoon gore that we make sure not to label as 'for kids' via RUclipss guidelines. Kids are going to get into stuff they arent supposed to. And just because the parents arent monitoring what their children do, doesnt mean I shouldnt be allowed to draw canonically accurate depictions of gore. Maybe 8 year olds shouldn't be in a fandom that is literally about bloody, murderous cat wars.
2:56 to make matters worse there are multiple minor participants in dropitlikeitshot 😀😀 (“emo boy” and badger for example.) Endangering minors is something he does for kicks it seems. I encourage y’all to read a doc posted about him titled “a comprehensive Geuse beware”. Links are probably blocked but u can find it on Twt
I really hope you understand that no one in these maps were coerced into participating and they did it because they thought it was a fun idea. We are not running a MAP sweat shop, thank you god bless
@@voidcattoi was hoping youd say “i hope you know no one in participating in this map are minors” jesus FUCK was i wrong youre a weirdo letting kids into your discord server and encouraging them to draw cat rape, seriously shit like this gets you in some legal shit
@@voidcattochildren shouldn’t be part of any map with sexual material at all. Just saying they weren’t forced isn’t a Excuse at all. Has the host of the map they should been aware of that, but then they clearly don’t care due to how they don’t even put age restrictions on their own video. To be honest they should hav never made the map to began with, it spread gross behaviour and it not even satire. Commonly satire itself is meant to poke fun at something or even teach the watcher some form of information. This map doesn’t even do that by being the thing it is trying to make fun off.
I personally think it’s fine for people to want to explore the darker themes in any form of media, like death and gore or bringing light to inappropriate relationships, that has it. but the problem becomes how you treat it and what you’re dealing with. i’d like to elaborate but unfortunately my brain alludes me but i think you can make a conclusion on what I’m getting at. basically, just don’t be a shitty person and educate yourself appropriately :) edit: oh and also monitor your kid’s internet consumption!!!!!
Thats fair the issue is because its being drawn with cute character from a book made for kids, children are going to see it and it might be kinda scary for little kids. While yes some lessons are important I believe they shouldn't find out this way. This is also the Erins fault for putting these themes into kids books
@@lunazureyou might need to realize that there’s only so much animators and creators can do. It’s not their fault if kids decide to watch videos with proper trigger warnings. In fact it’s not their fault at all and is the children’s responsibility.
@newtsinsuits237 Not even the children, it's the parent's responsibility to monitor what their kid is watching and deciding if that is suitable or not. For frick's sake, there is literally a RUclips Kid's app and parental settings to keep this stuff off your kid's reccomendations. It should never be the artist's responsibility to censor their own art because "WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN!" Not all art is meant for children, and creators aren't your babysitters, do your job, and raise your kid properly.
Hey, kind of in defense of the Ashfur projects and stuff? He's only ever liked as a villain, not necessarily idolized for trying to kill squilfs kids. I think he's got so many projects on him mainly because he's so real. He can exist in the real world, not like some random little angry kitty going on a murder spree like Tigerstar or such
I don’t think you have to say “no offense” for saying you don’t want to see drawings of animals getting with each other, most people are gonna find that kinda thing gross and inappropriate. I do wish that you had not linked the most recent Geuse MAP nor showed clips from it, I dropped my phone and ended up accidentally switching over to the video and definitely did not need nor want to see it. I think you can mention the content it includes without showing it and still be fine, and this kinda exposes the video to more people who up until now (like myself) hadn’t heard anything about it or wouldn’t have seen it.
As for the more gory side of the fandom… well, it’s warriors. I’m not sure the problem is so much that people are drawing out scenes from the books as much as it is that the books are marketed towards kids. I think it’s more up to the parents to not introduce the books to their kids and it really shouldn’t be marketed as a series for kids in the first place. Yes it’s often more scarring in visual media than as written text, however many artists are just illustrating what’s in the books already and it doesn’t seem fair to blame them when violence is a very large part of what these books are. While some projects do take it much farther, I think if you don’t like the violence then your qualms are better directed at the books themselves rather than the artists working with that material.
For the blood/ gore: most maps usually have a warning at the start of the maps to ensure that the viewer knows what is to come. It is common for children to not listen to warnings so the people who make the maps can’t really control that but it does usually have a warning so people who do not like blood/ gore can click off before watching. It is also up to the parents to control their kids on the internet
rather than having a mature conversation about this mature topic you go on and blurry it with completely unrelated things like "uhh btw guys maps accept only popular people" like what does that have to do with the fact that there are people actually providing degeneracy without an 18+ filter in a fandom for preteens. how is that on the same level of "disgusting side of the fandom" as incest and pedophilia. the way you approached this as an unscripted and lighthearted ranty vid while actually providing footage of said disgusting side of the fandom and actually promoting it in the description and thumbnail is not at all appropriate. these people thrive off spreading negativity and degenerate content and you are actively participating and indulging in that with this video. you say "crazy how minors can access this on youtube" but you actively promote it by providing the title in your desc and adding footage of it in your video?
how else do u expect people to be aware of this bs then 😭 u cant jus expect them to know shii is bad like u gotta show a bit if the negative stuff to prove ur not bluffing. y'all can never be happy smh, calm ur sensitive ass down 💀
@@jakefromstatefarm3056 i can say that incest and pedophilia is bad and has no place in a fandom for preteens without showing and providing links to cp videos dumbass
no frl i want to support the argument but its hard to really agree when most of the serious topics are covered up with other weird arguments. that and telling people to not watch the map but then show the full thing on screen anyway with no blurring whatsoever.
I agree with most points! (Warning, this is long) -The fandom now seems to have a track record of pedos and creeps, because of the wide age range in the fandom. And it’s NOT okay at all, glorifying problematic ships is just gross, and it probably desensitizes minors to groomers. -I do think it’s okay to like villains in fandoms and make villain OCs though, as long as it isn’t all murder and death and has at least a bit of a story, and more meaningfulness to the person than “murder OC”. Though maybe I’m biased because I was that kid who drew gory stuff because of animations on YT lol. -And I agree on the “non beginner friendly map” bit. Young animators should feel included, and not just waiting for beginner friendly labels to decide whether they get in projects. I understand if the map is a more personal project and meant for views and entertainment, but I feel beginner friendly environments should be regulated. Hopefully the fandom changes for the better, though it’s hard with drama popping up at least once a month or so lol
@@lunazure Exactly! It’s great to let kids explore amazing quality animations, but not if the heavy themes that can be featured are handled too irresponsibly on an app easy for kids to access. I had found warrior animations in the past when I was a kid, and that sparked my passion for animation and art. I was lucky enough to not have stumbled upon a super gory and heavy map though.
I think most people like characters like mapleshade and ashfur for their story and not because they are murders. The thought of Anti-heros, Anti-Villains etc is a really interesting character dynamic because they are doing something bad for something they think justifies it, and that's why they get so much love. Yes they are terrible cats, but thats not why they are loved and its not encouraged to like them for those reasons. As someone who uses scratch probably more then youtube, there are lots of opportunities for younger members of the fandom and it's a safer place for younger people who read the books. I think more younger fans of warriors should use scratch because it gives them safe opportunities to explore the fandom they love, because there are not many adults on scratch to interact with, and there is minimal gore and everything is g to pg13 I definitely agree with not having crazy shipping maps in this fandom. I personally think we should encourage younger viewers to stay on safer platforms like scratch and also mind what we are posting because it could be harmful. Great video btw!
The issue is blood and gore and inappropriate themes has been brought to the warrior content on scratch. When I was in 5th grade I wrote a Jayfeather x Breezepelt fan fiction on a scratch studio since I saw someone ship it on a old youtube video and thought it was cute and didn't realize how wrong it was
@@lunazure thats true, but scratch barely has any gore, and if it does it usually has a warning, but definitely not extreme shipping as far as i'm aware and i'm supper active on scratch, but yeah, totally agree with you
6:00 This is a genuinely ridiculous argument. You're basically telling people who like a fictional character to stop doing so because it makes you personally uncomfortable. That is a very entitled mindset. Fans are free to "glorify" Mapleshade and any other villian as much as they want, they don't need your approval.
i disagree. i don’t think they meant it in that way and they could have worded it better. it’s not cool for young children to sympathize with a murderer, so promoting that material doesn’t help at all. i’m pretty sure they meant it’s just weird. children shouldn’t think being a manipulative, murderous asshole is justified because you feel bad.
It’s glorifying what she has done isn’t ok and saying “it’s just a fictional character.” Is a stupid argument what do you think happened with the slender man case? Fiction has affects on reality and especially young kids by “glorifying” these fictional murders has almost cost a young girl her life please actually think these things through
I do agree with most the mapleshade things but, people tend to forget that mapleshade suffered from severe mental issues, and the fact that people diss her as a maniac hurts, yeah she is a terrible cat but why give her mental trauma?, as someone who has mental trauma I'm sympathize with her pain with her mental health, just dont forget that people.. It really hurt reading mapleshade's vengeance And seeing her break mentally. Thank you for hearing my mapleshade rant
I think Mapleshade might’ve been suffering from psychosis after everything that happened. Doesn’t make her actions any less justifiable, but it does help some to maybe understand why she did what she did. If Mapleshade were human and charged for her crimes, she probably would’ve been found guilty for reasons of insanity.
Yeah I understand that a bit, I just hate the word insane. But let's be honest almost everyone in mapleshade's vengeance broke the code and at least 80 percent them should of went to the dark forest ( I will give reedshine a pass tho, all she did was defend herself and that cheating flea bag we know as appledusk) but I feel she definitely had PTSD from the event, her story is just plain sad til she felt the need to kill to save her kits. I won't say she was COMPLETELY innocent, but she was a griefing mum, sorry if I sound frustrated I'm not just, being nerodivergent makes me passionate sometimes!
Ya know its great someone is addressing this issue. When I was a kid, I've witnessed not only wattpad fanfics of kit x warrior but seen just down right nsfw art of the cats. I'm still into warrior cats only making my own lore, but thank God there are people like you talking about this.
Literally got cats getting sliced open, kits getting brutally murdered, apprentices getting fucking groomed, and these mf still dare to call these books all age appropriate?
I know you feel that way, but it is literally for kids, which is why it’s important to protect said kids! These books are WRITTEN for kids. They are included in kids sections at actual book stores. Books a million puts them in the young reader section. Their book descriptions say they’re for ages as young as 8. They are literally for kids, so it’s important to remember that. You are not allowed to sell books with a false age appropriation listing, which prevents things not appropriate for kids being sold for kids. The authors write them for kids, they’re for kids, and legally they are sold as kids books and considered such.
I don’t agree with the violence and death statement, considering there’s so much blood gore and death in the actual book it’s not that different to have it drawn out. Honestly if it’s so awful then the books shouldn’t really be for kids cuz there’s so many dark and violent things in the books
I don’t agree with everything you said but thank you for talking about the problem with the glorification of pedophilla. I saw some really fucked up shit shit from the wc fandom when I was 9 or 10 and I’m glad someone’s finally addressing it.
Thats understandable since I had some crazy takes in here, but I appreciate you voicing your opinion and thank you for your support and watching this video as it helps me a bunch!
I agree! There were some comments on one of Sagutoyas’s video, defending Sally, saying it’s only a minor age gap, and it isn’t that harmful, which is honestly vile to even think of that.
@@Fishcat223 I've been in the Fandom for 7 years. This type of stuff is a problem, yes, but this is a problem for literally every fandom I've ever seen. And in the 7 years I've been in this fandom, everytime I've seen some content creator be revealed as a bad person, most people don't support them. Most people kick that awful person out and warn uninformed people about that awful person. We kicked out Sag immediately, even if some weird minority of people defended them. People in this fandom HATE pedophilia, people in this fandom hate overly sexual stuff being shown to 10 year olds.
ive always had mixed feelings about the warrior cats fandom in general. a lot of older warrior cats content creators dont seem to understand nor CARE about the vast age range in the fandom in which you mentioned. they put out content with heavy themes that are just NOT suitable for younger audiences, often without so much as a content warning, as well as on platforms accessible by young, young children. also, like you mentioned, the books themselves DO have some problematic content, like the spotted novella (that is STILL being sold to little kids, mind you!). a lot of warrior cats enthusiasts get very...erm...DEFENSIVE about that problematic content and like...FOR WHAT? is this the hill you want to die on? fr? i feel like some fellas in the warrior cats fandom get super on edge and defend the erins with their life for this type of stuff, and it's just...it's not a good look. you can like the books and the overall concept WITHOUT defending the problematic content. i just do not get why they want to defend the authors so badly. you can BE in the fandom without defending them. very great video! i ❤video essays :D thanks for making this and sharing your thoughts, dude!!
These books aren’t for children and never have been. There are reasons they’re kept away from children’s areas in a lot of libraries. It’s up to parents to decide the content their children consume. I don’t care about the Erin’s or any of their problems because I’m not familiar with it. If we want to keep these things away from minors then we can encourage guardians to review content. However, it’s not our responsibility to stop artists creativity because minors watch things. I experienced a lot of things as a child that I shouldn’t have. I also wasn’t allowed to look at some things after they’d been reviewed. I was kept “safe” from warriors books and content until my later teens.
@@teguegguthey’re actually labelled as being for 10+ in many places (including Amazon), I had access to these books in my school library from 12 and yes, I did end up finding myself in some… inappropriate areas at that age from the fandom writing inappropriate fanfics.
@@tegueggu i found them through the kids section at my local library. they also were in my elementary school library. clearly it wasn't just me because toast and many other fellas on scratch including myself managed to find them. theyre advertised at kids
@@luckymax128 it was the responsibility of your parents to review the content you were looking at. It’s not our job to cater to children. Especially when the books are filmed with graphic content.
I made a community post about this exact issue. People need to take accountability. These are a book series for children, though yes, there is blood, gore, and darker themes, having genuine NSFW can be a huge problem. Children can get addicted to NSFW, which will lead to worse problems in the future. People need to moderate their fanbase, but adults also need to control what their children click on. Minors were involved with the DROPITLIKEITSHOT project. I've spoken with two people that we're involved. Most people didn't know of some of the parts. Parts such as VOIDCATTO's, (the one with Jay and Broken) was made as shock value. The WIP was posted a week before the actual MAP, and therefore nobody actually knew about it. Not only that, other adults involved we're outed for being racist, (Toastiebun/Weeping Raven). At the MOST, people need to restrict content. You are allowed to share NSFW, just make sure that minors are not involved. There are so many topics that Warriors touches on. Religion, death, and other types of things.
as an ashfur fan, I don't justify his actions. he's just a really interesting character and hes so different from other villians. hes so disturbingly realistic, I love him.
Please make sure to block Geuse and any of his supporters: they're sure to swarm hate on you snd this video due to you being against it and such I havent watched the whole video yet, but as a community, we need to do better. We need to protect the minors of this fandom: I'm saying this as a minor myself (in the older range) which is something that should never have to happen: but it has. Stuff like this needs to be stopped, because of the amount of minors and kids in the fandom. Like i said before, we need to protect them, and we can do this by reporting videos like "DROPITLIKEITSHOT" and warning people NOT to interact or watch it. Hell, im putting myself in risk of harassment due to this one comment: that shows how unsafe it is As a community, we need to stand to stop this and protect the younger ones in the fandom
Completley agreed, tbh im not rlly scared of getting hate since I rarely post here anyway which is why I felt safe posting this video but please stay safe and be careful
The DROPITLIKEITSHOT map was intended as a joke but it don't mean that it's okay. I also found another channel who is making vids about wcue heat and it was rlly weird and wrong. They literally mentioned making other roblox games into heat and most are animal kid games. I would proudly say the channel if needed but idk if I should unless requested by someone who would know how to deal with that stuff properly. I just think the Fandom is getting out of hand on a lot of things. It kinda scares me.
Are you aware why the map was made? It’s made to troll people who’ve given Geuse harassment and called them false things. It’s gross yeah but that’s the point. He’s called out pedophiles and people threatening his existence yet he receives bad treatment. I’m not a supporter nor a hater but I will point out the hypocrisy and harassment I see.
I'm 16 and I've been in this fandom for 7 years... and its sad how dark this turned. Unsafe for minors, etc... I became kind of friends to a few victims of Geuse, who were harmed, harassed, doxed, etc by him and his supporters. It was dealt with, but I'm sure this guy is a groomer... he defends himself saying its just satire, but a normal person wouldn't do that... Maybe he's just looking for attention on the worst ways.
Agree. He wants to pretend that this type of content is for trolling or something. But it's disgusting. If what he created really wasn't bad, he wouldn't have to pass it off as a joke.
@@Hellfirebot13agree I feel like this map should have never been created in the first place. This isn’t even satire, it gross and should be mass reported by everyone. The map seem like it was clearly made to attract attention and personally feel all people who were apart of the map should go on a blacklist for Warrior cats animation maps for a very long time
While I can agree with the sexual content stuff, and that Geuse is definitely crossing multiple lines, your other points on offensive content (gore/horror and villain-centric content) are puritan arguments at best. Most of those maps straight up have warnings on them, same as any other entertainment of the type, that they are not for children. The creators are not at fault if they put in an attempt to filter out underage viewers and said viewers are ignoring the attempt. Also being a fan of villainous characters can be for several reasons. Some villains in Warriors (Hawkfrost, Scourge, even Mapleshade) have compelling stories to them. We do not automatically "glorify" them by enjoying their stories. Hawkfrost was an ambitious warrior who felt that his origins were causing him to be unfairly treated, and was manipulated by his father to follow in his footsteps. Scourge was only a *kit* when he ran away from home and was nearly killed by the first forest cat he met and had life long trauma from it. Mapleshade was deluded from the start, but she was far from the only character at fault for the death of her kits and her mental breakdown is understandable. *None* of this excuses what they did, but it makes for compelling stories.
When I was 7 Deadpool 2 was on the cinema my parents go but dragged me with them I watched the whole movie and I admit, I was traumatized for 2 months Then like 1 month after that, I found out the warrior cats maps, tributes, etc Even the most gore, violent, bloody map, couldn’t make me feel trauma I actually loved every single thing With all of this knew I start: It is not the same to watch in a movie someone who is a real person lose his arm because another person vomited acid on it, than watching cats killing each other in a animation And parents should be aware about what their kids do in the internet, because as a teen that didn’t have any supervision as a child in RUclips, you can find fandoms that are waaaay worst than warrior cats, Such as the animation meme community Or the toxic gacha community (This is only an opinion, please don’t kill me)
@Geuseyjuice wahhh why can’t I have kids make me cat nsfw on RUclips if an all adult team can have their cat nsfw movie on RUclips *moans like a traumatized twink*
my stance with the *FICTIONAL* serial killer thing is that its okay to a certain point. praising the murders itself? horrible. liking the characters for being well written and having interesting plots and personalities? cool. (edit: i think just finding villains cool is okay too, as long as its not just for the murders alone. i.e rebellion, going against the norms, whatever) also yeah the young child exposure things kinda fucked. i was already around alot of gore and dead animals in my life as my family had dogs with high prey drives but being online and seeing all the gore and glorification of death in communities i was in (wings of fire and warriors) made me think it was normal. in elementary, id get in trouble and scare people off cus id draw cats dying. also, cute vtuber
I just watched dropitlikeitshot map after you mentioned it out of curiosity and this…was nothing like I expected, I was roughly halfway through that I closed the tab I had it on out of pure disgust. THESE ARE FICTIONAL CATS LIKE WHY ARE THEY MAKING OUT, THIS IS WARRIOR CATS NOT A WEIRD NSFW WATTPAD STORY
I use to be subbed to Gesue before all this shit went down and I can say I am discussed with everything they post. Not only that they seem to still be harassing another RUclipsr called Pineecat, its not cool. I agree that that Extream gore and adult stuff really shouldn't be in any of these MAPs. MAPs like DropLikeAShot are discussing and inappropriate in any age group The only thing I can see animators and artist struggle with is the gore and death. since its in the books its hard how to evaluate if the imagery is too much or not and how close do you want to stay to the books description. Of course there are themes in the books I would completely avoided, but if I where to make a MAP, I would rewrite some events to make it more appropriate. At least that's how I would approach a problematic story line Thanks for making this video, these sick people need a wake up call
I think the zoophilia in the fandom seriously needs to be talked about more. There’s a pretty popular animator on here (not sure their user, I know they’re Russian and made that one video that was like “no dude you gotta go like aye”? Not totally sure if that’s it i just know it was like firepaw, graypaw and ravenpaw) but anyways they litterally draw r34 of the characters and people do not care. I saw some Reddit post pointing it out and people were like “it’s just art it’s whatever” but it’s still disgusting?? There is no reason someone would draw something like that unless they are attracted to animals I don’t know why this person still has a platform In addition to this there is a concerning amount of smut fanfics. I know this comes with every popular fandom but there is a concerning amount for a fandom based around books for kids about feral cats. I joined the fandom when I was 8 and not long after I started wondering what the “warrior cat lemons” that kept popping up were and of course I read them because there was no indication that it was going to be inappropriate
They didnt want to draw it. They were bribed with a lot if money. Sure they could have rejected the offer but they still regret it and i feel like we should forgive them.
@@ZekeTheFur oh oops did not see that anywhere I can kind of understand that then, I guess the problem I have is that people were brushing it off not for that reason (that I saw) but because it was fiction and therefore ok
Their yt name is artblock studio. Yes, they were bribed with a lot of money to draw nsfw. Although it’s uncomfortable I can’t imagine anyone refusing such an offer. The amount they got was undisclosed, but apparently it was enough to temporarily rent a homeless friend an apartment. They made a video covering the subject, it’s all in Russian though. (I don’t know the persons pronouns but they were a biological man)
I have been in this community for as loong as i can remember. I read my first book when i was 10 and I just turning 21 recently. The community has grown overtime and the talent was growing with it...however there were a few bad eggs from time to time. But recent events with the growing pedophila is just honestly sickening honestly...and its starting to grow more. For those people... you're not being "edgy" or "funny", you're sick and need to be evaluated as well as have the internet taken away from you. No one and especially not CHILDREN should be seeing this and think that this is okay. Be better...
Personally in terms of giving villain characters maps and stuff, unless they're specifically glorifying it, I think its fine. You can like a villain character without approving of what they do. You can enjoy the way the character was written, or appreciate the plotline of the character, without specifically saying "What this character did was good!!". And considering a lot of Warrior Cats revolves around some sort of conflict, its not surprising that people tend to make projects relating to the villains. A lot of people enjoy making AUs and stuff with these things because they're intriguing plotlines. I see the point about Thistleclaw/Spottedleaf and Spottedleaf/Firestar, since that includes grooming. *That* is just plain weird. But in terms of the Murder Cats, that's just sort of.. The nature of the series. Those characters exist to serve as conflict, or build the lore/stories of the world of Warrior Cats. I personally found Mapleshade's story arch interesting. I do not agree with the fact that she murdered innocent cats. I just enjoy the idea of her character/arch. I don't exactly like how it was written; it could've had a lot more potential. But in terms of the concept, it was interesting. Stories would be absolutely boring without villains. Villains make it interesting, which is why people like villains. And because villains are so interesting, people are interested in making projects about them. And I'm not saying there aren't strange people out there that like these characters because they think murder is good or whatever. I'm just saying that most of the time, its not anything past "Oooh villains are cool and interesting" Or "I like this plotline". I feel like its not that deep, anyway. People enjoy what they will. There's a lot worse problems within the fandom than thinking maps about the villains are bad. Like the NSFW in the fandom, or the creators who ended up with grooming allegations. Those are completely heinous compared to "Haha murder cat cool". I agree with a lot of this video (Besides the horror/gore part. I disagree with that- but I've seen other comments about it that explained it really well so I won't get into it.) but it bothers me a little bit that people who like/enjoy villains are just automatically villainized and considered bad for liking villains. If people hated the villains in Warrior Cats, a lot of people wouldn't be reading it. I don't think the author's goal (or any creator's goal) when making villains is to get you to hate them, necessarily. Its to get you to dislike what they're doing, but still find interest in the plotlines created within the media. Stories cannot exist without conflict or villains, and just because you find a villain interesting and choose to draw/animate about that character, it doesn't mean its bad. Or giving too much attention to them. (That point specifically was a little odd to me. Its a book series about cats, I feel like its not deep enough to go "People are giving too much attention to this murderer" when its a fictional character.) But saying people who draw/animate/write about villains glorifying murderers when people are drawing literal animal porn is a bit ridiculous to me. Creating fan media relating to villains doesn't automatically mean glorification. People can enjoy whatever they want. (Within reason), and liking a villain doesn't automatically mean you're agreeing with their actions or glorifying them, you just like the way they're written/designed/their plotlines. And that's perfectly innocent and valid. And considering villains make up a good chunk of Warrior Cats (I mean plotlines, I'm aware there's more protagonists than antagonists, I just mean in each arch a good chunk of the big plotline is specifically these villains causing conflict) its kind of stupid to accuse people of glorifying murderers for making media relating to them, because even though yes, there is a lot of positive/happy plotlines and characters to make maps about, the good majority of plotlines in Warrior Cats ends up being conflict, and people tend to make maps about events/plotlines in the books. If people are making maps based off plotlines of the book (Which.. Yes, of course people were going to do that) Then yes villains will come up a lot. TLDR; its not edgy to like villains and it doesn't automatically mean you're glorifying their actions when you make fan media about them. You're perfectly valid to like what you like (Within reason) and it doesn't harm anyone else to enjoy plotlines or lore relating to villains.
And to make it clear, I 100% think its fine to go after pedophiles like Thistleclaw. I don't remember if there's any other grooming situations in the series (Haven't read it in a while), but things like *that* are fine to go after. Or pedophiles in the fandom. Those types of things are 100% not okay. But when it comes to fictional murderers, I just feel like its a little nitpicky to pick apart people who like villains when there's so, so much worse in the fandom.
The villain thing- there is a difference between liking an evil character and thinking the villain was correct. I LOVE mapleshade as a character but I despise her thought process. I hate her actions and absolutely her story probably shouldn't be in a kids book but I wanted to say my piece as a mapleshade, ashfur, sol, (hollyleaf cough cough) fan I wanted to share
i think the gore is fine as long as it has a warning since its literally in the books and like everyone with internet access has been watching gore since they were in preschool, but the sexual stuff? ew, disgusting theyre literal feral cats. children are even allowed in a lot of the maps that make the weird feral stuff. Sexual depictions and fantasys of animals is literally qualified as z00philia, and it's disgusting that adults are grooming kids into drawing that type of stuff for their maps.
also its kind of silly to get mad at people for liking villains. its okay to like morally fucked characters, fictional murders/abusers in media are always pretty popular with fans because villains are cool. its not like people actually think that what ashfur or tigerstar did was okay, you can acknowledge that a character is a horrible person (or cat) and still adore them since the villains are almost always more complex and interesting than the heros.
i think you're just speaking from bad experience (which is vaild) but you should keep in mind that kids have always loved spooky stuff like gore and horror. thats why horror games are now over saturated with stuff clearly targeted for kids who just want an adrenaline rush from the jumpscare. that's also why kids love halloween. they get to dress up in bloody costumes with little knife props or spooky masks and everything is decorated with monsters and dead people. they literally sell candy that looks like human remains like eyes, guts, and blood, that kids go absolutely feral for. kids are little edgelords, they always have been and always will be. thats how stuff like the creepypasta fandom came to be, because a lot of kids find comfort, joy, or even inspiration in that kind of thing. hell id argue that most kids routed for the villains to win while watching disney movies or just other childrens media in general.
Guese really made a MAP about MAPs 💀💀 Also Mapleshade is so overglorified and her behavior is excused so much in the fandom. Cheating is not a justification for 3 counts of murder and several accounts of attemptedmurder.
RIGHT!? I mean, holy crap I hate how the fandom glorifies Mapleshade. Sure, Appledusk was an ass for cheating on her. But she literally MURDERED people, and attempted to murder Reedshine, who had NOTHING TO DO WITH HER SITUATION.
@@Warriorcatman She didn't babytrap him though. Stop letting MRAs sell you this lie of "babytrapping", its not like Appledusk was raped by Mapleshade. And Mapleshade was possessive because Appledusk was cheating on her lmao.
@@yeayeayeah933 about the baby trapping thing, I put "??" behind it because I wasn't 100% sure the term was right, as English isn't my first language, I'm really sorry about that! My point with it still sorta stands though: Mapleshade used the kits as a way to keep Appledusk (which is proven by her saying "Appledusk is mine and these kits will make sure of it"). 2nd thing, I'm pretty sure she was possessive of Appledusk before he started being with Reedshine, but I'd need to re-read the book to confirm that, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here I don't think cheating is the right thing to do, not even on a possessive psycho wife, Appledusk was in the wrong for cheating for sure, but that doesn't make Mapleshade innocent.
NOT EXCUSING HER BTW - but she was schizophrenic, seeing and hearing hallucinations of her dead kits that weren't real was schizophrenic symptoms. I think that's a different and cool concept and I like her as a villain but the CONSTANT EXCUSES are actually pretty annoying. Like I said, I am not purposely excusing her just saying how it's different for the Erins and yes - cool.
I do not understand why Geuse is still favorited in this fandom. Straight Boyz was sexual, but it wasn't inheritely explicit. The new MAP is just... straight up porn. It's not even satire anymore, it's just porn. With children watching and children participating in the MAP. And I know damn well Guese is well aware of this, he just loves getting in trouble. Guese is an adult. While he can not control who watches his content, he can control who participates in his MAPS. And he decided to let minors take a part. All of Geuse's fans are either creeps like him, or children who don't know any better. Please stay safe.
I think its fine for kids to draw bloody or horror related art. Because many cats in the books fight and die. So its fine if a kid draws art with blood.
Not to be rude, but reading about cats fighting a killing eachother is much different than watching or drawing cats killing and fighting eachother. Just my opinion, however e r.
4:38 WAIT THEY WERE INTENDED FOR KIIDS? YALL EVER SEE THOSE VIDEOS THAT ARE LIKE “warriors cats is made for kids” AND THEN THEY LIST EVERYTHING BAD THAT ISNT KID SAFE ABOUT THEM, I LIGIT THOUGHT THAT IT WAS THE BOOK ITSELF, BUT IT WAS THE FANDOM THAT DID ALL OF THAT AND NOT THE BOOKS 😭?
Finally, someone with some common sense. Warriors is a well done series, but as with all large fandoms, there's bound to be a bad side to it. New subscriber earned, well done spreading awareness- I didn't even know about that map. Thanks for letting us know.
It's okay to like the bad characters, as long as you UNDERSTAND that what they did was wrong, and why. I love some villains in other media, even if I would absolutely hate their guts in real life.
I agree with everything you said except for the loving mapleshade thing because she kills cats that goes for like every fandom ever that has a villian like demon slayer and dragonball muzan and frieza and a number of other characters has done mass genocide but everyone loves them and glorifies them thats just how people and fandoms are same goes for Jason Michael Myers chucky Five nights at Freddy's most kids love and all those robots do is kill. And fr we need more big maps for beginners bruh i never be getting in for crap bruh i wish there were more maps for beginners
"This is for kids" ugh. Why don't you disable your comment section like any other "for kids" stuff. Kids don't get to experience 99% bullshits the world has to offer and somehow we expect them to grow up like us. I guess feeding kids fox news is the only remedy.
The fandom is full of people who are preteens and teens. They don't need to find a video that sexualizes cats and has a kitten getting r-worded in the thumbnail. 💀
@@Snekysnitch There's lots of 12 year olds in the fandom. I actually started reading the books when I was 11 or 12. Even a 13 year old shouldn't be watching content that sexualizes cats and glorifies p3dophilia.
To be completely honest with you, I don't think most of this is the fault of the fandom but rather of the kids' parents. Children should not be on the internet below the age of 13 period, especially not on big group fandom sites like amino or deviantart. Yes, there are a lot of horrible people in the fandom and I don't doubt that, but I feel like a lot of the mature content isn't glorifying anything but rather taking what they were given in the books and making art with it. The grooming stuff is a different, more disgusting story, but the gore and violence and everything, and honestly even some of the weirder canon relationships (like the incestual or huge age gapped ones), can be made into content without necessarily approving of it. Fandom spaces (no matter what book series/show/movie they're based around) will always have some horrible people and horrible stuff, but they will always have kids in them no matter what rules are in place, and it's not the older teens' or adults' job to protect them. It's the job of the kids' parents/guardians to teach them how to avoid mature content. Edit: Also, I'd just like to point out that while trigger warnings are great for a lot of things, there are also studies that have been done which concluded that they're actually making things a lot worse. People aren't building up tolerances like they used to, and it's making a lot of older Gen Z'ers struggle in the real world. Obviously on the internet, TWs are good for things like grooming and pedos and whatnot but it gets to a point where people are kind of just sitting alone in their personal bubble and not allowing themselves to experience any kind of uncomfortable-ness or anxiety or hardship which will ultimately fuck them up even worse. Children shouldn't be on the internet super young and their parents shouldn't be allowing them to access mature content, but these content creators and older fans don't have any obligation to censor themselves or their work as long as it's nothing illegal or directly harming another person. In fact, they really shouldn't censor their work. Censorship of art shouldn't happen - it's art. Some pieces are supposed to make you uncomfortable, or make you think, or make you experience emotions that you would rather not experience. That's like, the whole point.
To add on to this, people making art and animations of morally bad characters isn't really them glorifying their actions like 90% of the time. Characters like Ashfur and Mapleshade just are genuinely good, interesting characters (at least in some parts of the books), and it makes them fun to make content of. Just because a character does something wrong doesn't mean they're not a good, well-written character deserving of a fanbase - it just means that their fanbase has to know how to distinguish bad actions from bad characters, and they have to know how to talk about liking the character without supporting those actions.
Yeah, but to be fair you were also like... a child that didn't know any better. That's kind of a different story, and also leads back to the point that kids' parents should be teaching them not to think that way and not to interact with content that's too mature for their age level. If a kid wants to be on the internet before 13, their parents should *probably* be monitoring what they're doing so that they can catch stuff like that. @@lunazure
Personally Gore is fine in maps but give tw warnings, a lot of trigger warnings! Like the Cell block tango map and most of The dark forest maps, I do feel some should be age limited depending on the amount of gore.
And I definitely feel Mapleshade is a problematic cat, she’s well written but she’s meant to be disliked not loved. She made choices and blamed them on other cats, yes she did clearly have mental problems. But, you could tell she was incredibly controlling, Appledusk on the other hand is way too hated, all he did was cheat, it’s an every day thing. Yes he did care about the kits death, it describes his emotions in the book, same with Frecklewish. But people who read Mapleshades book are reading it for her, and her only. Not her story and how bad decisions make bad consequences. But, she’s way too overloved and shes an incredibly overrated character who honestly should just be forgotten about at this point in the canon universe. She never played a special role besides training cats in the dark forest and following Ashfur. “Oh Tigerstar is scared of her so shes amazing” Nah man shes just a murder😭 I too would ve scared of a murderer even if I was Tigerstar bc Damn, she was a problem.
To be honest, it's a little stuffy. That is, well, blood and blood, this is life, brother. There will always be blood and death. I drew this myself when I was 11 years old. And nothing seems to live normally
I'm genuinely so disappointed with this fandom, I'm slowly drifting away from it. Wcue and pédos have ruined it for me it's insane and I hate seeing something I used to love turn into something I hate
I love warriors as a whole and honestly don’t plan on leaving but stuff like this just makes me want to vomit like don’t be a creep towards kids?? It’s not that hard?? Also on the topic of warrior maps one thing I think just the whole art community needs to work on is being supportive to beginners like we were all there once we gotta boost each other up in the wasteland that is the internet
To everyone who sees this comment: DO NOT comment on or engage with Geuses videos harrasing them and their horrible deeds! Its what they want and it boosts the video and pushes it onto the algorithm! Escpecially is you are a minor as you will get targeted by Geuse and their disgusting supporters! Report the video and block (or report for that matter) Geuse! What they are doing is vile and wrong and i hope most people know that by now! Also, share this video! Toast put alot of effort into it and more people need to know about this situation! Thank you ❤
@@Crowfulley Yeah it’s completely confusing but when looking for KillerQueen she put a Community Post saying that “He May be gone but lives with us” some sort of shit. I went scrolling and someone did ask about it and Killer said that he chose to move on with his life and deleted his account. It will be easy to find KillerQueen account since she has been one of his backers and harassed peeps in the past.
I mean, for the point about gore, happy tree friends did a lot of the same violence/gore stuff, the fluffy cutesy cartoon art style or name definitely doesn’t mean it’s for kids The books were written for younger teens and describe violence/gore quite often as a result, just because it’s fantasy cats doesn’t mean it’s appropriate for young children
i watched the map a moment ago. i wanted to watch a map like i often do. i saw the dropitlikeitshot map and thought "oh cool, a new map." and the thumbnail only told me like "oh, it's like a creepy gore-y dark forest map or something" but then i watched it and....yeah. about 30 seconds in i reported the video and then i read the comments-oh boy, there are people actually celebrating the map and praising it. but as the curious little shit i am, i finished watching the map. one of the ships was hollyleaf and breezepelt, first i thought it was crowfeather, but it's still incest. i am not somebody who actually panics when seeing (fictional) incest or rape or whatever, i just cringe really really bad and try to leave the subject if i can.
Not a fan of these types of videos as they honestly only draw attention to a tiny tiny minority of the fandom. So I’m not gonna watch. What this will do is open up 8 year olds eyes to stuff they don’t need to see. You shouldn’t link the problematic content in the description lmao
Second opinion is weak. It's a gory series with graphic descriptions of childbirth and death, people are going to draw inspiration from that. It's not their job to curtail those people.
I don't agree with everything you said, and the kids finding the maps is just kinda off to me. So of course you knew when uploading the video, you had to say: This video is not for kids. And a lot of the maps aren't made with kids in mind. Hell like 99% of the maps I've seen have a trigger warning in place. And the fact that kids are finding this is the reason that we all now have to put 'no not for kids' or 'yes it's for kids' on our videos because youtube got a huge fine from COPPA. (Children's Online Privacy Protection Act) So the fact that kids under 13 are finding videos, means that they are lying about their age or using a parent's account. And to that I say; It's the parent's responsibility for what their child sees. I am not a parent whatsoever so I can't really say how much it can effect children, but honestly, If I was under 13 and my parents saw that I was watching heavily gore themes, I'd probably be off that video faster than you could say one. And I agree that bigger animators should host more beginner friendly maps. I don't do animations at all, but I love to watch them. And even smaller and more beginner friendly animations are fun and enjoyable to watch. But this is just my two cents.
@@Cedar_and_palspermission or not you honestly shouldn’t be posting on RUclips unless it’s through your parents or something. Legally it’s just dubious, nothing against you as a person!
@@Techyena I just want to share art and my pet snake- not too long from now I'm gonna be 13 tho so that's really why I'm not staying off of here Also I love your animations!
5:38 Spottedleaf did not groom firestar, firestar when he came to the clan just had a crush on her which is odd i will admit and her liking him after her death isnt good either [also another point that no one talks about is thrushpelt and bluestar, [SPOILERS AHEAD] in bluestar's prophecy thrushpelt is already a warrior when bluestar is born but thrushpelt had a crush on bluestar and a lot of their clanmates were nagging at bluestar to be his mate even when she was VERY CLEAR that she DIDNT EVEN LIKE HIM
Late but yeah she didn't groom but she still likes him after which is creepy, finally someone doesn't gaslight everyone into thinking her never liking him happened 😭 I haven't read that super edition yet and, welp, now I hate thrushpelt, another creepy huge age gap predator relationship, also why is it so common in the books for there to just be a bunch of cats nagging a she cat to get with a tom she doesn't even like 😭
Important note I kinda wanna talk about you noted: I agree wholeheartedly how people only want popular people in their MAPs - However, I feel like that being medium strict is more than valid. And I feel like that gives the best results to the MAP too to see the diversity. Just my opinion that I wished to share. ❤ Stay safe from Geuse and their supporters!
Hey I saw your pinned comment, but I still need to throw my hat in the ring as I thought that this video opened up some pretty civil conversations that should be had more often. I don’t want this to be super repetitive though as I saw a lot of folks here say some pretty good points so instead, I wanted to address other things: *Also (for the sake of Transparency), I am in fact, a former warrior cats fandom member. I don’t partake in warrior cats anymore (this goes for canonical and fan related stuff, it’s honestly funny that this video even pass through my feed in the first place), and I am much older than when I first joined the community.* I personally believe that warrior cats as a whole shouldn’t be for younger kids, which, in the grand scheme of things, it’s a much more deep-rooted issue. I think a lot of warrior cats book’s topics aren’t handled as gracefully as it could be, which normalizes some pretty messed up stuff for younger audiences (I understand that younger kids do/can comprehend things that a lot of people don’t give them as much credit as they should but, we do need to be understanding of the things that younger kids genuinely can’t comprehend as deeply as an older audience member). It’s clear that your personal experience has certainly shaped the way you see younger audiences, but I do believe some blame falls to the parents that let their children on the Internet unsupervised. Also, we do need to acknowledge that some kids are just super sneaky (there are many cases of children sneaking to see things that they have no business seeing in order to feel “cool” or to quench their curiosity. kids are super impressionable, and this mixed with the fact that children mind’s aren’t fully develop leads to some terrible situations). Also, it’s to my understanding that you misinterpreted the definition of glorification a bit (Glo·ri·fi·ca·tion - the action of describing or representing something as **admirable**, especially unjustifiably). I do believe this point had a lot of merit, though as I totally agree from when I was in the community, I saw far too many people glorifying some pretty messed up stuff. There is a difference between depicting something that happened and glorifying it though, I can depict what Ashfur did without glorifying his actions. I personally find Mapleshade such a fascinating character, and I believe that her book introduced such an interesting concept (that has been done before, of course). That being it has an unreliable narrator, the book shows you what happened from her perspective (which is made all the more interesting as from the start, she’s proven to be pretty unreliable source). I have my own gripes with this book though as, I felt like it could’ve been written a bit better (for clarity’s sake and to give more background on certain pieces of info). As a person, I find Mapleshade deplorable and I couldn’t imagine myself ever thinking fondly of her. People are allowed to like a character as a character and despise who they are as a person, having discernment is a very important aspect of keeping that balance. Despite my essays-worth of interjections, I do believe this video has some good points. I did feel as if some of your takes, were a little clouded by your own personal preferences and past experiences (totally understandable, this was a rant after all if I’m not mistaken). Good job for taking criticism though, learning is never linear. It’s always important to be open to learn and truly educate yourself to have well-rounded opinions. Have a good day ^^
I have to admit right after watching this vid I tried to find the map that you talked about in the beginning of the vid bc like you I’m nosy but I just couldn’t find it (witch is good ofc) but did the map or the creators account get deleted or banned? (Again that’s good that it’s gone)
an artist, writer or any other creator is NOT obliged to please everyone and draw what will please the majority. NSFW artist ≠ bad person, rapist, psycho. Those who draw content of this kind are the same people as we are, approving horror, blood, guts and so on but condemning NSFW is hypocritical IMHO (you may be disgusted by it but acknowledge the existence of these things). Everything is ok as long as it is away from children, parents should control children and not prohibit and restrict people. Any problematic content, if it is not distributed to the open general public, children and others, has its place, these are the rules of the Internet.
there's a difference between drawing nsfw and drawing feral cats having intercourse. it's very clear which one op is calling [rightfully] disgusting and it's weird how you're trying to reframe the argument as being about nsfw as a genre.
guese just really ticks me off. they treat EVERYTHING like a joke and make insane videos and maps. the maps they have made are mental and i will never support them through ANYTHING.
I don't see a lot of people talking about it, but your point about young/beginner artists being rejected from MAPs is really true. I understand that yeah, it won't always fit in right with popular animators, but also it will help their self esteem! Not to mention, how are they supposed to improve if they can't join a project?
There's lots of ways to improve, for example animation memes. Animation Memes are extremely beginner friendly, and you can improve your animation skills by doing that. I don't think Map creators have to make their Maps beginner friendly just because it hurts the self-esteem of random people they don't know.
sorry but i dont entirely agree with the gore aspect. A lot of fans are adults, the catering isnt just to kids anymore, and we engage with the themes shown in the book. For a lot of us, gore art is how we vent. Im sick of things having to be sanitized because kids could see it. Thats not my job to protect them. This is for most fandoms. It isnt my job to make everything happy and positive online. The monitoring of children is up to their parents, not us. The shipping is different. That gets taken too far and the fandom gets disgusting.
I agree with you that gore is fine in warriors but your reasoning is awful. That’s like saying there’s nothing wrong with adults drawing rule 34 of a character like Dora and if kids see it then it’s their fault. When you enter a community of children and draw adult content it is your responsibility to ensure minors don’t see it.
I didn’t even know that map was a thing, and you know what I think i’m better off not even knowing about it or hearing about it…ever, and the fact that some people in the fandom promote this kind of stuff, really any fandom that is known to have kids in it, I hate to think of the fact that kids are being exposed to this type of stuff on youtube and even if youtube kids is a thing I doubt any kids actually used it and even then some kids content has some questionable stuff that is “presumably” for kids, I mean even the actual books hardly ever go THIS far, and you’re completely right I do think there should be more maps containing beginner animators, I mean if you just don’t include them just because they’re not popular yet is just gonna discourage them from actually getting better I mean who knows they might be popular one day and besides even the popular animators were all beginners at one point, it’s just not fair to treat the more recent animators like they just don’t have a place in maps I mean everyone starts out like a beginner. It’s really screwed up how the world treats people like they aren’t good enough when everyone started out at the same level of skill and of course with time comes talent I mean you can’t just not let someone in just because they don’t have that yet.
WHATTHEFUCK I WENT TO GO WATCH THAT MAP I AM TRAUMATIZED. (Breaking news 12 year old gets to curious to see what the fuck the DROPITLIKEITSHOT! COMPLETE WARRIOR CATS MAP Was and watches it and gets traumatized.)
@@LocalLazyStove fr people really thought it would be ok to draw clearly p*dophilic situations as long as the map is titled “Problematic” do they think the movie Cuties is ok too 😭
Yea- like, if I was an animator, and saw a map call like that I would just go like “EW-“ and just move on. But for whatever reason this MAP was finished- *sobs* Also, I wouldn’t be surprised if they actually think Cuties is okay.
I have another take to add onto this, I absolutely despise how spottedleaf and thistleclaw's character assassinations have effected actual grooming victims in the fandom. Coming from the partner of an abuse/grooming victim, with most of my friends being abuse/grooming victims, the cycle of abuse does not work like that and it CERTAINLY does not make people into groomers. I am tired of people implying my partner is a danger to children because of things he was groomed into making.
@@_The_Lizard_KingNope. There are sites, many sites, with actual zoo content. Like irl. Makes no sense why they’d watch a poorly drawn softcore warriors map to get off instead of watching the real thing.
5:37 it is normal for cats to clean each other in all sorts of sections on their bodies though I don't think it's seen often but yes it's normal for cats to clean each other just, if it's a pre-teen recomended book series you are right it is kinda messed up [when I said pre-teen recommended yes I meant it because 9-12 is considered a pre-teen.]
7:36 I kinda disagree on the MAP thing. I’m a smaller creator who does MAPs and theres lots out there by smaller creators for smaller creators and I thinks its often bigger creators choosing bigger creators
My favorite thing to do is describe the plot of warrior cats to someone without mentioning that they’re cats. It’s lovely that warriors can tackle such dark concepts with cats and teach kids about these things but man people please add trigger warnings more and age restricted your super nasty shit, or don’t post it on RUclips at all where it’s super accessible. (And also warrior cats stop mishandling topics like grooming! :))) Also yeeaaah my art growing up of like violent cat death I didn’t realize was actually worrying until ppl expressed that to me lmfao
Warriors teaches us grooming is bad for ALLL THE WRONG REASONSS. like I know they aren’t allowed to explicitly mention the topic of grooming, so why even include such topics? The fandom over here glorifying ivypool along with the whole darkforest shenanigans is making things worse. While the authors and the omen of the stars did handle the subject of grooming quite well while still being un- explicit, the fandom just HAD to taint it, didn’t they? On the other hand, the authors ONLY made thistleXspotted seem like a bad thing because of his relations to the darkforest and not because he wanted to f**k a minor. This just no winning here.
I loved Warriors since middle school and there is lots I love about this fandom but it has lots of flaws like all fandoms. I do agree with the glorifying blood and gore. I definitely drew lots of that because of Warriors and I mean drawing gore isn’t inherently wrong. Lots of people don’t like it but I really don’t see anything wrong with drawing that as late teen but young kids like 10 and stuff really don’t understand it. And with the pron and pedo stuff god this makes me want to leave this fandom immediately. I have a past with the media I consumed at a young age being very sexual and it kinda fucked with my head. I don’t want kids to view that sick map and think it’s ok to draw and post feral p because they really don’t know better. I feel like lots of maps and other animations are good at putting warnings to scare off young kids but that doesn’t always work ofc. I feel like once the map I’m working on is done I’m done with Warriors for good. I’ve seen a sudden spike with South Park x Warriors maps which isn’t inherently horrible but idk I feel like it needs to have an eye on it since sp can be pretty bad and teach young kids some not good things. Not trying to be a buzz kill the ones I’ve seen haven’t been bad but yk it has potential especially with lots of bad people in this fandom.
I think by the bad maps, it’s 13 year olds who don’t comprehend how bad it is. I myself is in the fandom and there’s a lot of heat coming over here. But just because there’s a few bad apples doesn’t mean everyone is. I never heard of drop it like it’s hot. And when I did I didn’t go “Oh cats getting together how fun😍☺️🤩” Nope I was disappointed in my community. I don’t glorify mapleshades killings in-fact I think she’s over rated. And most of us don’t even like ashfur. I think he was a weird villain. And for the blood thing. How can you have war without death? It’s like trashing the FNAF community saying “THEY KILLED THE MISSING CHILDREN AND MADE ART OF IT ITS BAD!” I understand what you’re saying but that ASHFUR X SCOURGE map. Nobody likes and people even make fun of it.
One day when im making a warrior cats channel. and guess wht No drama Ill be safe and kind i wont bully ill be a person somebody can look up to and actually be a good person :)
I kind of understand the gore. There is many maps that cover the actual story, which there are many and I mean MANY violent deaths. Which of course makes people want to recreate them. The sexual content still disgusts me. It is just so awful. They're CATS. ANIMALS FOR FUCKS SAKE
I personally think take about “the beginners MAP” is annoying, because there are maps like this, but, well, nobody’s advertising them! Or paying attention. There is a big creator who’s making them, but, well, people want a good quality for the maps with the good idea. I can’t blame them. It’s society, and it was made by us. For me, the problem with fandom is that YES, it’s supposed to be for kids, and yes, in this 2003 year they were kids. But they grew up. They’re staying in the fandom because of nostalgia, and growing up. Warriors cats IS a bad book for kids, because of it’s poor writing and we’re ignoring that, I would say it’s grew some of bad people we have today. But also! I don’t think kids should avoid mature themes.. it’s the way it shown that’s the problem. I mean, it’s parent’s fault they not checking what their kid’s doing. Or they’re not teaching kids about adult stuff in the way they need. They have to check what their kid’s watching. And before adulthood its PARENT’s duty to control their kids, NOT SOME RANDOM ADULT ON INTERNET. that said adult can groom kid, making them what they want. I hate this take about noname adult’s duty. Max they have to do is warn to watch the media with parents or something. But first of all.. PARENTS. Im not excusing anyone, I am adult myself and well, I feel BAD for being adult because how many boundaries I have to make rn and be happy when I’m with other adults. These days im just afraid of talking with minors.
tbh, before geuse could've posted the map, he at least should've age restricted it and didnt add Darkstripe gr--ming Sorrelkit as the thumbnail.....BUT NO! apparantely that doesnt apply to him because he thinks there isnt anything wrong with it....i get he is an adult, and he does his own stuff...BUT NOT THIS STUFF!!!....p-dophillia is not okay...and the other sad thing is that some people are supporting him and one thing he did that was really uncalled for was the fact he had the audacity to put "🛬🏦🏦🔥" which i guess is supposed to be a..uh.."New York" joke, with a picture of his OC holding a gun and wearing a "I ❤ KIDS" shirt on his community tab, and it really p-ssed me off because 9/11 jokes arent funny, they're just plain uncalled for and yucky because so many people suffered at that time and he's making fun about it, and he supports p-dophillia which is also very gross and yucky....he doesnt deserve attention whatsoever, he's basically the HypnotistSappho of the WarriorCats fandom except he isnt a z--phile, and just like HypnotistSappho, he likes, child p-rnography, p-dophillia, and feral p-rnography (as shown in his more recent map) and its just disgusting and sad that people like him still exist in this world...as a minor myself and a near-victim of sexual violence, which is something Geuse has shown in his latest map, this type of stuff actually scares me a lot because i have past trauma with it and if someone asks me my age, i dont really say because i dont want to fall into any traps, but overall, i agree with you on the Geuse situation...and that the books are made specifically for children even while it still tackles some pretty intense stuff, which i feel okay with since i can handle death and pretty sure a lot of kids my age can too, it just really really hurts to see that people go through this irl and people such as Geuse are making fun about it. But i agree with you hardly, no one should suffer from what Geuse has done and just be living their life without having to worry about any of this.
Honestly him being a adult and making this kind of map and not even putting a age restriction show how much of a bad person they are. What even worse is he allowed underage users to be part of the map itself.
@@fuzzybuns296 exactly! he could've also posted it on some generic 18+ website instead of a platform THAT IS LITERALLY FULL OF CHILDREN!!!!! they can literally search up this stuff and go like "oh! a kitty cat animation!" like nahhhhh bro💀 and the fact he has the audacity to make this type of sh-t too. Its just sad to see that people like him still exist
I would just like to add- people do not like the character who kills ppls actions. they find the character intresting. someone who is murderous isn't 'someone whose example you should follow' cool, their motivations and their arc is interesting, so people want to see them. i love mapleshade, but if she was a real person i would despise her. it's the fact she's fictional and that her arc is so endeering that makes me like her. I don't agree with her actions, but the way she's written to be slowly (not very slowly- very moderite-ly) going crazy and killing because she feels the need for revenge just.. makes her so intresting.
Warrior cats was never really pointed towards minor audiences, which is why there will most likely be no movie of the series, while I agree with some of your points as many other people have stated. Many fandoms and series have terrible sides to them and sometimes there’s just nothing you can really do Also it’s the parent’s responsibility for their kids internet access, not the people ON the internet And if you have a problem with CHILDREN, on the INTERNET, a place where many people can get hurt, then talk to the parents, not the people old enough to be here. Parents are responsible for their children having access to this kind of stuff, not us, and not you. Warrior cats was never intended for children, nor will it ever be. The youngest age it advertises to is 9+. I get it, this wasn’t scripted, but please for the love of god, so research before you rant, it makes everyone less likely to be angry
True, it is. And I’ll admit it, tbh the libraries in schools still advertise them to really young students, but from my own experience, I felt like the books (when I was around 4-5) were too difficult to read, but some kids are different
I'd like to add my two cents to this matter as a person who was once a dumb child on the internet. I was a part of many classic fandoms of the 2010s like undertale, mlp and of course, warrior cats. The thing was that a lot of people seemed to just forget that there were children who were in the fandom. Thus I and many others were exposed to highly edgy and innappropriate media. This was particularly bad in the MLP fandom where you couldn't go 5 minutes without running into "MLP BAD END SPEEDPAINT" or "ASK EVIL (INSERT PONY) QUESTIONS." Stuff like this definitely affected me a lot as a kid, even if I didn't realise it at the time. I just was obsessed with all the violence. It was like a drug, knowing that I was watching something "forbidden." So while I enjoy some good old edge and gore, please don't forget that children exist and will probably see it.
3:46 me fr 😭 the teachers called my mom to talk, they thought i was mentally ill cause i drew my edgy warriors oc killing their mother and ecplained it happily to the teacher 😭
I do think it’s fine to like villains, because that doesn’t mean you agree with them. Obviously if you like a villain because you think they’re correct in real world standards then that’s a problem
I completely understand what you mean about mapleshade, and I do agree she’s heavily glorified, however you can say the same thing about almost all supervillains and antagonists in movies and shows and books. Take Star Wars and marvel as an example, they have tons of merchandise encouraging the support of the negative characters. The warriors fandom is no different.
thank you guys for all ur feedback as it helps me learn and improve from this ❤
updated takes: blood/gore is fine with a warning, as it’s up to the parents to monitor kids access not me. also there are older people in the fandom who enjoy that stuff.
maps: there are beginner friendly maps, but i don’t like the label “beginner friendly” since it’s kinda backhanded in my opinion
also it’s fine to like murderer characters just don’t glorify them
i still believe there’s no place in the fandom for sexual content with feral cats
also do not comment on gueses videos as it’s what they want. they want haters to comment and harass their videos because they’re a troll and it boosts it in the algorithm, this is why i removed the link to their video from my description in hopes that ppl wouldn’t have easy access to it and would discourage discovering it so that it wouldn’t get the algorithm boost
How the hell is "beginner friendly" backhanded? It's an opportunity for beginners to get involved in maps and improve. What the hell else are they supposed to label it?
@@SirAsdf maybe “open to all” maps or smth. just my take, no need to be rude.
@toastrrbath sorry. That was a bit aggressive.
Well, the point of it being "beginner friendly" is so that those who are new to animation can get more practice.
I don't really see it as backhanded, just more like an opening to those who are still improving their skills. Like an entry-level job.
Thank you for rewording it in a way I can better understand ur point, I will take this into account :] @@SirAsdf
I don't agree with the second point, about horror/gore. This fandom doesn't just have young kids in it, theres plenty of older teenagers and adults as well, and they should be able to make more mature content (as in horror/blood/gore, not nsfw themes, those are still gross as its feral cats) for other people in that age range to enjoy as well. I think PetitPoisson is an incredibly talented horror artist for older fans of the series to enjoy and it certainly isn't their fault that kids with unrestricted internet access watch their videos. Your own personal experiences are irrelvant when ultimately it still wasn't the content creators faults that you came across that stuff and chose to watch it as a child.
I second that, technically this series was meant for *early teenagers*, kids who are more developed and able to handle and understand these topics. I think because the series is about cats, parents just assume its alright and let their kids buy the books and be exposed to the material.
Really you can't place the blame on one side directly, as the issue of exposing children to violent and disturbing content in the fandom can't really be heavily blamed on anyone. The artist shouldn't hold back their talent just because kids might watch it, parents can't be expected to have perfect foresight, and the younger audience is just drawn to the idea of talking cats in a fantasy world. No one is really at fault when blood/gore/horror aspects are involved, especially in a fandom where gruesome death's like Tigerstar are explained in thorough detail.
Like i said in my own comment, my dad is reading Warrior Cats.
I also don't get that point as Warrior Cats literally has blood and gore and horror in it. Scourge disembowels Tigerstar, in Goosefeather's Curse we read about dead cats piling up in camp, Bramblestar kills his own brother, Shadowsight has seizures, Sparkpelt almost gets killed by dogs, Frostpaw had to see her mother get mauled by dogs, Snowkit was taken away by a Hawk, when Bristlefrost dies in the Dark Forest Ivypool said her body irl disappeared, etc. How is it wrong to draw stuff that literally happens in the books?
I was reading these when I was 8 and I started watching the walking dead when I was 4 and here I am now thinking at 3 AM someone will randomly walk in my room and kill me. I'm 12 btw
I agree too that gore, horror, etc should be allowed due to we literally get described a scene about Tigerstar getting gutted from his chin to his tail but of course, yeah, making any NSFW thing with CATS is absolutely disgusting and reminds me there are also people in the fandom that make Warrior Cat fanfic lemons which are GROSS, I stumbled upon them at a young age on DA (of course it was DA) and it has scarred me with that knowledge those exist
This is the same kind of argument people used to try and censor rap music and video games in the 90s. The fact is, it is not the creator's job to police what a child is able to see online. It is their parent's job.
Trigger Warnings are the same as ratings on a video game or movie, it is the parent's job to keep track of what their kids are watching and no artist or content creator should have to modify their content just cause a negligent parent didn’t do their job.
Edit: The original version was a bit more aggressive than it needed to be.
amen to that!
I feel like the difference is when the content is being made for a child fandom. Warriors is rated 9+, and much of the fandom is underage. Showing NSFW or glorified grooming to a child fandom is horrifying and reprehensible, ESPECIALLY when some of the people participating are children. Minors were involved in the making of DROPITLIKEITSHOT and Straight Boyz, despite both having inappropriate content, the former being more disgusting however.
This. The parents should be more careful about what their children watch. It's not the creator's responsibility to turn everything into a RUclips Kids because of neglectful parenting.
no, depicting grooming in a positive light in a childrens fandom is horrible, and its also disgusting to draw it in general. just. extremely strange especially that lemons dude....
different than just having untagged gore. drawn cp is still cp and IS acknowledged by the law in the usa
Everyone was defending the map in the comments, saying “it’s fine their fictional” and I’m just, I’m sick. I feel genuinely nauseous
Yeah i dont think they understand the part that we’re grossed out by is that its animated by REAL CHILDREN and was hosted by REAL ADULTS and posted on a website that doesnt allow rape fetish porn. The people behind it are literal predators
Bro there was even a law student defending it. Like, bro, you shouldn’t be a law student anymore if your defending literal r@pe
it speaks a lot about these people when they use the fiction excuse. theyre pretending that fiction exists in a vacuum. fiction affects reality in a range of ways. having this type of pedo shit out there without attempting to make a statement against it is horrific, because the media glorifying this crap can be used to hurt children. its terrifying to see the fandom evolve this way
Ikr. Like, what idiot would think that!
@@ANALBONESas a guese supporter i can tell you some things about the dropitlikeitshot map if thats what you're on about. First off all, the host, guese, is not an adult, they are a 14 year old child. Second off all, the map is a map for problematic ships that no one would support.
Geuse is such a sick person, i genuinely do not know how people continue to defend and joke about the situation.
I supported them on the Straight Boyz map because it was heavy satire and it was only cats kissing. The new map goes WAY TO FAR.
I fully agree on that view
Geuse is a adult and not even bringing up how he allow minors into that map. Which I truely view has gross.
Yeah and I found someone who made a vid defending the map saying “it’s satire it’s satire!” Like bruh😑 how retarted are geues fans. And not to mention he made a “map” with his OC having s3x with another person named pine. like bruh
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REAL... i was a backup for that map man.... ugh
I don’t agree with some of what you said, but i do agree with how disgusting the geuse situation is.
Exactly! It’s absolutely vile seeing most of the comment section of that video defending Guese and the M.A.P itself. Saying it’s satirical, and it shouldn’t be taken seriously, and that it’s just pixels only on your screen. When the M.A.P portrays themes such as Pedophilia, animals engaging in coitus, even non-consensual coitus. Especially when Dropitlikeitshot is exposed to young minors, which would make them think it’s fine to normalize those topics. It’s more vile then bile. I hope more people realize that this content from Geuse isn’t right.
Guese makes me sick.
I've been in a lot of fandoms in my time and it is by far one of the least gross fandoms on the internet because of the fact that sexual stuff like this map are so surprisingly rare in the fandom.
As for gore and blood: who cares? The book series itself is gorey, the 6th book opens up with the villain being gutted alive. I got into warrior cats when I was 9 years old (bare in mind that I was a very sensitive child, animals of farthing wood scared me at the time) and even I was fine with it. You can't blame the warrior cats fandom for being edgy as a child.
Edit: I think it was a good decision to have the ThistelClaw x spottedleaf stuff in the books because unforunately children nowadays do need to be taught about the dangers of grooming. The only problem I have with it is that it could have been handled better.
Second Edit: people don't like Mapleshade because she kills people, they like her because she's a likable villain with a tragic backstory, something that obviously is going to appeal to edgy tweens and young teens.
Third edit because Im adding to this while watching the video: "She murders for fun" - no she doesn't. She murders for revenge, and justifiably so. Any mourning mother would want to do something similar to those responsible for her childrens' deaths.
Edit four: "giving him attention for trying to murder kids" my sibling in Christ... he is a fictional character. He isn't going to try to murder more kids because people gave him attention. You can't be serious.
Final edit: a child is not going to be perminantly mentally damaged by making an edgy warrior cats oc who kills other cats, nor will they be mentally damaged by reading a book series that has a lot of villains in it. People are allowed to like characters that you don't like, they're allowed to draw/animate them however they want, just because you personally don't like the character doesn't mean people need to stop liking them.
I haven't been in the warrior cats fandom for two years now and somehow this video still annoyed me.
Took the words out of my mouth!
The problem with expecting popular map hosts to be beginner friendly is that no matter whether or not beginners can join. They will get a flood of applications and more than likely there will be a large chunk of apps that will be better qualified for the part. So the only real solution if you expect them to include beginners, is to either do a map with a raffle situation. Fair chance for all. Or do do a map ONLY for beginners. Otherwise you really cant expect large creators to pass up the opportunity to have the best quality possible.
Its also incredibly obnoxious when people whine about not getting into a map. Ive been turned down from MANY maps I've wanted to get into. But that means I need to improve myself and try again later. A lot of lesser known creators still get into big maps if theyve put in the effort and built up the talent and skill. Better yourself instead of feeling bad for yourself. Or you'll never improve. Rejection is a part of growth and development. Embrace it and learn from it.
As for the whole audience debaucle. Of course we shouldnt be promoting sexual material to the children of the fandom. Especially not here on RUclips. But the internet as a whole is an unsafe place for children in its entirety and we as a fandom should not be held accountable for what they find. Warriors is a bloody series. The fandom shows that well enough. Tigerstar was canonically ripped open from his neck to his hindquarters with sharpened dog teeth, swiftpaw and brightheart utterly mauled by dogs beyond repair, and those are brutal scenes, among many others, that you cant just pretend doesnt exist because there are 8 year olds around. Some of the fandom exaggerates the gore, sure, but it is cartoon gore that we make sure not to label as 'for kids' via RUclipss guidelines.
Kids are going to get into stuff they arent supposed to. And just because the parents arent monitoring what their children do, doesnt mean I shouldnt be allowed to draw canonically accurate depictions of gore.
Maybe 8 year olds shouldn't be in a fandom that is literally about bloody, murderous cat wars.
In fact, the WC saga is aimed at young people and adults. So children shouldn't be in this fandom if they're under 12 years old.
2:56 to make matters worse there are multiple minor participants in dropitlikeitshot 😀😀 (“emo boy” and badger for example.)
Endangering minors is something he does for kicks it seems.
I encourage y’all to read a doc posted about him titled “a comprehensive Geuse beware”. Links are probably blocked but u can find it on Twt
I really hope you understand that no one in these maps were coerced into participating and they did it because they thought it was a fun idea. We are not running a MAP sweat shop, thank you god bless
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Not this mf 💀💀
@@voidcattoi was hoping youd say “i hope you know no one in participating in this map are minors” jesus FUCK was i wrong youre a weirdo letting kids into your discord server and encouraging them to draw cat rape, seriously shit like this gets you in some legal shit
@@voidcattochildren shouldn’t be part of any map with sexual material at all. Just saying they weren’t forced isn’t a Excuse at all. Has the host of the map they should been aware of that, but then they clearly don’t care due to how they don’t even put age restrictions on their own video.
To be honest they should hav never made the map to began with, it spread gross behaviour and it not even satire.
Commonly satire itself is meant to poke fun at something or even teach the watcher some form of information.
This map doesn’t even do that by being the thing it is trying to make fun off.
I personally think it’s fine for people to want to explore the darker themes in any form of media, like death and gore or bringing light to inappropriate relationships, that has it. but the problem becomes how you treat it and what you’re dealing with.
i’d like to elaborate but unfortunately my brain alludes me but i think you can make a conclusion on what I’m getting at. basically, just don’t be a shitty person and educate yourself appropriately :)
edit: oh and also monitor your kid’s internet consumption!!!!!
Thats fair the issue is because its being drawn with cute character from a book made for kids, children are going to see it and it might be kinda scary for little kids. While yes some lessons are important I believe they shouldn't find out this way. This is also the Erins fault for putting these themes into kids books
@@lunazure right yeah I agree with you! the warriors fandom and the books definitely needs some work :/
@@lunazurechildren shouldn't be on RUclips unsupervised to begin with. Warriors itself is a 9+ series.
@@lunazureyou might need to realize that there’s only so much animators and creators can do. It’s not their fault if kids decide to watch videos with proper trigger warnings. In fact it’s not their fault at all and is the children’s responsibility.
@newtsinsuits237 Not even the children, it's the parent's responsibility to monitor what their kid is watching and deciding if that is suitable or not.
For frick's sake, there is literally a RUclips Kid's app and parental settings to keep this stuff off your kid's reccomendations.
It should never be the artist's responsibility to censor their own art because "WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN!" Not all art is meant for children, and creators aren't your babysitters, do your job, and raise your kid properly.
Hey, kind of in defense of the Ashfur projects and stuff? He's only ever liked as a villain, not necessarily idolized for trying to kill squilfs kids. I think he's got so many projects on him mainly because he's so real. He can exist in the real world, not like some random little angry kitty going on a murder spree like Tigerstar or such
Agreed, I love him because I find him interesting but I despise incel types irl
I don’t think you have to say “no offense” for saying you don’t want to see drawings of animals getting with each other, most people are gonna find that kinda thing gross and inappropriate. I do wish that you had not linked the most recent Geuse MAP nor showed clips from it, I dropped my phone and ended up accidentally switching over to the video and definitely did not need nor want to see it. I think you can mention the content it includes without showing it and still be fine, and this kinda exposes the video to more people who up until now (like myself) hadn’t heard anything about it or wouldn’t have seen it.
As for the more gory side of the fandom… well, it’s warriors. I’m not sure the problem is so much that people are drawing out scenes from the books as much as it is that the books are marketed towards kids. I think it’s more up to the parents to not introduce the books to their kids and it really shouldn’t be marketed as a series for kids in the first place. Yes it’s often more scarring in visual media than as written text, however many artists are just illustrating what’s in the books already and it doesn’t seem fair to blame them when violence is a very large part of what these books are. While some projects do take it much farther, I think if you don’t like the violence then your qualms are better directed at the books themselves rather than the artists working with that material.
For the blood/ gore: most maps usually have a warning at the start of the maps to ensure that the viewer knows what is to come. It is common for children to not listen to warnings so the people who make the maps can’t really control that but it does usually have a warning so people who do not like blood/ gore can click off before watching. It is also up to the parents to control their kids on the internet
rather than having a mature conversation about this mature topic you go on and blurry it with completely unrelated things like "uhh btw guys maps accept only popular people" like what does that have to do with the fact that there are people actually providing degeneracy without an 18+ filter in a fandom for preteens. how is that on the same level of "disgusting side of the fandom" as incest and pedophilia. the way you approached this as an unscripted and lighthearted ranty vid while actually providing footage of said disgusting side of the fandom and actually promoting it in the description and thumbnail is not at all appropriate. these people thrive off spreading negativity and degenerate content and you are actively participating and indulging in that with this video. you say "crazy how minors can access this on youtube" but you actively promote it by providing the title in your desc and adding footage of it in your video?
how else do u expect people to be aware of this bs then 😭 u cant jus expect them to know shii is bad like u gotta show a bit if the negative stuff to prove ur not bluffing. y'all can never be happy smh, calm ur sensitive ass down 💀
@@jakefromstatefarm3056 i can say that incest and pedophilia is bad and has no place in a fandom for preteens without showing and providing links to cp videos dumbass
no frl i want to support the argument but its hard to really agree when most of the serious topics are covered up with other weird arguments. that and telling people to not watch the map but then show the full thing on screen anyway with no blurring whatsoever.
I agree with most points! (Warning, this is long)
-The fandom now seems to have a track record of pedos and creeps, because of the wide age range in the fandom. And it’s NOT okay at all, glorifying problematic ships is just gross, and it probably desensitizes minors to groomers.
-I do think it’s okay to like villains in fandoms and make villain OCs though, as long as it isn’t all murder and death and has at least a bit of a story, and more meaningfulness to the person than “murder OC”. Though maybe I’m biased because I was that kid who drew gory stuff because of animations on YT lol.
-And I agree on the “non beginner friendly map” bit. Young animators should feel included, and not just waiting for beginner friendly labels to decide whether they get in projects. I understand if the map is a more personal project and meant for views and entertainment, but I feel beginner friendly environments should be regulated.
Hopefully the fandom changes for the better, though it’s hard with drama popping up at least once a month or so lol
The age range is a blessing and a curse, because on one hand high quality animations can be made for kids, on the other hand easy access to kids
@@lunazure Exactly! It’s great to let kids explore amazing quality animations, but not if the heavy themes that can be featured are handled too irresponsibly on an app easy for kids to access.
I had found warrior animations in the past when I was a kid, and that sparked my passion for animation and art. I was lucky enough to not have stumbled upon a super gory and heavy map though.
Hey! Do you support the host of st8 Boyz?
@@funkyfelinefriend No, why tf would I? >.>
Just wondering.@@Wolfnado
I think most people like characters like mapleshade and ashfur for their story and not because they are murders. The thought of Anti-heros, Anti-Villains etc is a really interesting character dynamic because they are doing something bad for something they think justifies it, and that's why they get so much love. Yes they are terrible cats, but thats not why they are loved and its not encouraged to like them for those reasons. As someone who uses scratch probably more then youtube, there are lots of opportunities for younger members of the fandom and it's a safer place for younger people who read the books. I think more younger fans of warriors should use scratch because it gives them safe opportunities to explore the fandom they love, because there are not many adults on scratch to interact with, and there is minimal gore and everything is g to pg13
I definitely agree with not having crazy shipping maps in this fandom. I personally think we should encourage younger viewers to stay on safer platforms like scratch and also mind what we are posting because it could be harmful.
Great video btw!
The issue is blood and gore and inappropriate themes has been brought to the warrior content on scratch. When I was in 5th grade I wrote a Jayfeather x Breezepelt fan fiction on a scratch studio since I saw someone ship it on a old youtube video and thought it was cute and didn't realize how wrong it was
@@lunazure thats true, but scratch barely has any gore, and if it does it usually has a warning, but definitely not extreme shipping as far as i'm aware and i'm supper active on scratch, but yeah, totally agree with you
6:00 This is a genuinely ridiculous argument. You're basically telling people who like a fictional character to stop doing so because it makes you personally uncomfortable. That is a very entitled mindset. Fans are free to "glorify" Mapleshade and any other villian as much as they want, they don't need your approval.
i disagree. i don’t think they meant it in that way and they could have worded it better. it’s not cool for young children to sympathize with a murderer, so promoting that material doesn’t help at all. i’m pretty sure they meant it’s just weird. children shouldn’t think being a manipulative, murderous asshole is justified because you feel bad.
This person also made a Mapleshade map LOL
It’s glorifying what she has done isn’t ok and saying “it’s just a fictional character.” Is a stupid argument what do you think happened with the slender man case? Fiction has affects on reality and especially young kids by “glorifying” these fictional murders has almost cost a young girl her life please actually think these things through
I do agree with most the mapleshade things but, people tend to forget that mapleshade suffered from severe mental issues, and the fact that people diss her as a maniac hurts, yeah she is a terrible cat but why give her mental trauma?, as someone who has mental trauma I'm sympathize with her pain with her mental health, just dont forget that people.. It really hurt reading mapleshade's vengeance
And seeing her break mentally. Thank you for hearing my mapleshade rant
I think Mapleshade might’ve been suffering from psychosis after everything that happened. Doesn’t make her actions any less justifiable, but it does help some to maybe understand why she did what she did. If Mapleshade were human and charged for her crimes, she probably would’ve been found guilty for reasons of insanity.
Yeah I understand that a bit, I just hate the word insane. But let's be honest almost everyone in mapleshade's vengeance broke the code and at least 80 percent them should of went to the dark forest ( I will give reedshine a pass tho, all she did was defend herself and that cheating flea bag we know as appledusk) but I feel she definitely had PTSD from the event, her story is just plain sad til she felt the need to kill to save her kits. I won't say she was COMPLETELY innocent, but she was a griefing mum, sorry if I sound frustrated I'm not just, being nerodivergent makes me passionate sometimes!
Sorry if I talk alot to old habits die hard-
Ya know its great someone is addressing this issue. When I was a kid, I've witnessed not only wattpad fanfics of kit x warrior but seen just down right nsfw art of the cats. I'm still into warrior cats only making my own lore, but thank God there are people like you talking about this.
KIT X WARRIOR? WHAT THE ACTUAL HELL
Warrior cats is definitely not for kids, in my opinion
Fr fr
Literally got cats getting sliced open, kits getting brutally murdered, apprentices getting fucking groomed, and these mf still dare to call these books all age appropriate?
I know you feel that way, but it is literally for kids, which is why it’s important to protect said kids! These books are WRITTEN for kids. They are included in kids sections at actual book stores. Books a million puts them in the young reader section. Their book descriptions say they’re for ages as young as 8. They are literally for kids, so it’s important to remember that. You are not allowed to sell books with a false age appropriation listing, which prevents things not appropriate for kids being sold for kids. The authors write them for kids, they’re for kids, and legally they are sold as kids books and considered such.
just because it has blood and gore it is still ultimately for younger teens and exposing them to literal feral cat porn is disgusting
I don’t agree with the violence and death statement, considering there’s so much blood gore and death in the actual book it’s not that different to have it drawn out. Honestly if it’s so awful then the books shouldn’t really be for kids cuz there’s so many dark and violent things in the books
I don’t agree with everything you said but thank you for talking about the problem with the glorification of pedophilla. I saw some really fucked up shit shit from the wc fandom when I was 9 or 10 and I’m glad someone’s finally addressing it.
Thats understandable since I had some crazy takes in here, but I appreciate you voicing your opinion and thank you for your support and watching this video as it helps me a bunch!
I agree! There were some comments on one of Sagutoyas’s video, defending Sally, saying it’s only a minor age gap, and it isn’t that harmful, which is honestly vile to even think of that.
I feel like the wider WC fandom doesn't glorify pedophilia, because a lot of the bigger creators talk about how it's wrong.
@@falcon_arkaig I’ve been in this fandom for over 4 years, it isn’t as bad as I was in 2019, but it’s still a problem
@@Fishcat223 I've been in the Fandom for 7 years. This type of stuff is a problem, yes, but this is a problem for literally every fandom I've ever seen. And in the 7 years I've been in this fandom, everytime I've seen some content creator be revealed as a bad person, most people don't support them. Most people kick that awful person out and warn uninformed people about that awful person. We kicked out Sag immediately, even if some weird minority of people defended them. People in this fandom HATE pedophilia, people in this fandom hate overly sexual stuff being shown to 10 year olds.
ive always had mixed feelings about the warrior cats fandom in general.
a lot of older warrior cats content creators dont seem to understand nor CARE about the vast age range in the fandom in which you mentioned. they put out content with heavy themes that are just NOT suitable for younger audiences, often without so much as a content warning, as well as on platforms accessible by young, young children.
also, like you mentioned, the books themselves DO have some problematic content, like the spotted novella (that is STILL being sold to little kids, mind you!). a lot of warrior cats enthusiasts get very...erm...DEFENSIVE about that problematic content and like...FOR WHAT? is this the hill you want to die on? fr?
i feel like some fellas in the warrior cats fandom get super on edge and defend the erins with their life for this type of stuff, and it's just...it's not a good look. you can like the books and the overall concept WITHOUT defending the problematic content. i just do not get why they want to defend the authors so badly. you can BE in the fandom without defending them.
very great video! i ❤video essays :D thanks for making this and sharing your thoughts, dude!!
Thank you that means a lot to me, plus most 8 year olds will ignore a content warning anyway so they don't do much
These books aren’t for children and never have been. There are reasons they’re kept away from children’s areas in a lot of libraries. It’s up to parents to decide the content their children consume. I don’t care about the Erin’s or any of their problems because I’m not familiar with it. If we want to keep these things away from minors then we can encourage guardians to review content. However, it’s not our responsibility to stop artists creativity because minors watch things. I experienced a lot of things as a child that I shouldn’t have. I also wasn’t allowed to look at some things after they’d been reviewed. I was kept “safe” from warriors books and content until my later teens.
@@teguegguthey’re actually labelled as being for 10+ in many places (including Amazon), I had access to these books in my school library from 12 and yes, I did end up finding myself in some… inappropriate areas at that age from the fandom writing inappropriate fanfics.
@@tegueggu i found them through the kids section at my local library. they also were in my elementary school library.
clearly it wasn't just me because toast and many other fellas on scratch including myself managed to find them.
theyre advertised at kids
@@luckymax128 it was the responsibility of your parents to review the content you were looking at. It’s not our job to cater to children. Especially when the books are filmed with graphic content.
I made a community post about this exact issue. People need to take accountability. These are a book series for children, though yes, there is blood, gore, and darker themes, having genuine NSFW can be a huge problem. Children can get addicted to NSFW, which will lead to worse problems in the future. People need to moderate their fanbase, but adults also need to control what their children click on. Minors were involved with the DROPITLIKEITSHOT project. I've spoken with two people that we're involved.
Most people didn't know of some of the parts. Parts such as VOIDCATTO's, (the one with Jay and Broken) was made as shock value. The WIP was posted a week before the actual MAP, and therefore nobody actually knew about it.
Not only that, other adults involved we're outed for being racist, (Toastiebun/Weeping Raven).
At the MOST, people need to restrict content. You are allowed to share NSFW, just make sure that minors are not involved.
There are so many topics that Warriors touches on. Religion, death, and other types of things.
as an ashfur fan, I don't justify his actions. he's just a really interesting character and hes so different from other villians. hes so disturbingly realistic, I love him.
Please make sure to block Geuse and any of his supporters: they're sure to swarm hate on you snd this video due to you being against it and such
I havent watched the whole video yet, but as a community, we need to do better. We need to protect the minors of this fandom: I'm saying this as a minor myself (in the older range) which is something that should never have to happen: but it has.
Stuff like this needs to be stopped, because of the amount of minors and kids in the fandom. Like i said before, we need to protect them, and we can do this by reporting videos like "DROPITLIKEITSHOT" and warning people NOT to interact or watch it. Hell, im putting myself in risk of harassment due to this one comment: that shows how unsafe it is
As a community, we need to stand to stop this and protect the younger ones in the fandom
I agreed
Completley agreed, tbh im not rlly scared of getting hate since I rarely post here anyway which is why I felt safe posting this video but please stay safe and be careful
@@lunazure You too, make sure to be careful! I am a minor in the fandom so I do know that I do need to be wary when talking about subjects like this
The DROPITLIKEITSHOT map was intended as a joke but it don't mean that it's okay. I also found another channel who is making vids about wcue heat and it was rlly weird and wrong. They literally mentioned making other roblox games into heat and most are animal kid games. I would proudly say the channel if needed but idk if I should unless requested by someone who would know how to deal with that stuff properly. I just think the Fandom is getting out of hand on a lot of things. It kinda scares me.
Are you aware why the map was made? It’s made to troll people who’ve given Geuse harassment and called them false things. It’s gross yeah but that’s the point. He’s called out pedophiles and people threatening his existence yet he receives bad treatment. I’m not a supporter nor a hater but I will point out the hypocrisy and harassment I see.
I'm 16 and I've been in this fandom for 7 years... and its sad how dark this turned. Unsafe for minors, etc...
I became kind of friends to a few victims of Geuse, who were harmed, harassed, doxed, etc by him and his supporters. It was dealt with, but I'm sure this guy is a groomer... he defends himself saying its just satire, but a normal person wouldn't do that...
Maybe he's just looking for attention on the worst ways.
Agree. He wants to pretend that this type of content is for trolling or something. But it's disgusting.
If what he created really wasn't bad, he wouldn't have to pass it off as a joke.
@@Hellfirebot13agree
I feel like this map should have never been created in the first place. This isn’t even satire, it gross and should be mass reported by everyone. The map seem like it was clearly made to attract attention and personally feel all people who were apart of the map should go on a blacklist for Warrior cats animation maps for a very long time
While I can agree with the sexual content stuff, and that Geuse is definitely crossing multiple lines, your other points on offensive content (gore/horror and villain-centric content) are puritan arguments at best. Most of those maps straight up have warnings on them, same as any other entertainment of the type, that they are not for children. The creators are not at fault if they put in an attempt to filter out underage viewers and said viewers are ignoring the attempt.
Also being a fan of villainous characters can be for several reasons. Some villains in Warriors (Hawkfrost, Scourge, even Mapleshade) have compelling stories to them. We do not automatically "glorify" them by enjoying their stories. Hawkfrost was an ambitious warrior who felt that his origins were causing him to be unfairly treated, and was manipulated by his father to follow in his footsteps. Scourge was only a *kit* when he ran away from home and was nearly killed by the first forest cat he met and had life long trauma from it. Mapleshade was deluded from the start, but she was far from the only character at fault for the death of her kits and her mental breakdown is understandable.
*None* of this excuses what they did, but it makes for compelling stories.
When I was 7 Deadpool 2 was on the cinema my parents go but dragged me with them I watched the whole movie and I admit, I was traumatized for 2 months
Then like 1 month after that, I found out the warrior cats maps, tributes, etc
Even the most gore, violent, bloody map, couldn’t make me feel trauma
I actually loved every single thing
With all of this knew I start:
It is not the same to watch in a movie someone who is a real person lose his arm because another person vomited acid on it, than watching cats killing each other in a animation
And parents should be aware about what their kids do in the internet, because as a teen that didn’t have any supervision as a child in RUclips, you can find fandoms that are waaaay worst than warrior cats,
Such as the animation meme community
Or the toxic gacha community
(This is only an opinion, please don’t kill me)
Worst moment in my life was being listed as a joke victim of geuses in one of his cringe ass videos 😐
Victim my back foot i will rip you a new one shrimpy
@Geuseyjuice Ok groomer
@Geuseyjuice R u making proship material becuz the man from church still has those photos of you without a shirt on
@Geuseyjuice answer me you mentally broken victim turned groomer lol
@Geuseyjuice wahhh why can’t I have kids make me cat nsfw on RUclips if an all adult team can have their cat nsfw movie on RUclips *moans like a traumatized twink*
my stance with the *FICTIONAL* serial killer thing is that its okay to a certain point. praising the murders itself? horrible. liking the characters for being well written and having interesting plots and personalities? cool.
(edit: i think just finding villains cool is okay too, as long as its not just for the murders alone. i.e rebellion, going against the norms, whatever)
also yeah the young child exposure things kinda fucked. i was already around alot of gore and dead animals in my life as my family had dogs with high prey drives but being online and seeing all the gore and glorification of death in communities i was in (wings of fire and warriors) made me think it was normal. in elementary, id get in trouble and scare people off cus id draw cats dying.
also, cute vtuber
I just watched dropitlikeitshot map after you mentioned it out of curiosity and this…was nothing like I expected, I was roughly halfway through that I closed the tab I had it on out of pure disgust. THESE ARE FICTIONAL CATS LIKE WHY ARE THEY MAKING OUT, THIS IS WARRIOR CATS NOT A WEIRD NSFW WATTPAD STORY
I use to be subbed to Gesue before all this shit went down and I can say I am discussed with everything they post. Not only that they seem to still be harassing another RUclipsr called Pineecat, its not cool. I agree that that Extream gore and adult stuff really shouldn't be in any of these MAPs. MAPs like DropLikeAShot are discussing and inappropriate in any age group
The only thing I can see animators and artist struggle with is the gore and death. since its in the books its hard how to evaluate if the imagery is too much or not and how close do you want to stay to the books description. Of course there are themes in the books I would completely avoided, but if I where to make a MAP, I would rewrite some events to make it more appropriate.
At least that's how I would approach a problematic story line
Thanks for making this video, these sick people need a wake up call
I’m DISCUSSED with it too
I think the zoophilia in the fandom seriously needs to be talked about more. There’s a pretty popular animator on here (not sure their user, I know they’re Russian and made that one video that was like “no dude you gotta go like aye”? Not totally sure if that’s it i just know it was like firepaw, graypaw and ravenpaw) but anyways they litterally draw r34 of the characters and people do not care. I saw some Reddit post pointing it out and people were like “it’s just art it’s whatever” but it’s still disgusting?? There is no reason someone would draw something like that unless they are attracted to animals I don’t know why this person still has a platform
In addition to this there is a concerning amount of smut fanfics. I know this comes with every popular fandom but there is a concerning amount for a fandom based around books for kids about feral cats. I joined the fandom when I was 8 and not long after I started wondering what the “warrior cat lemons” that kept popping up were and of course I read them because there was no indication that it was going to be inappropriate
They didnt want to draw it. They were bribed with a lot if money. Sure they could have rejected the offer but they still regret it and i feel like we should forgive them.
@@ZekeTheFur oh oops did not see that anywhere
I can kind of understand that then, I guess the problem I have is that people were brushing it off not for that reason (that I saw) but because it was fiction and therefore ok
@@PossumLuvr oh. Well thats the fans, not the artist.
Their yt name is artblock studio. Yes, they were bribed with a lot of money to draw nsfw. Although it’s uncomfortable I can’t imagine anyone refusing such an offer. The amount they got was undisclosed, but apparently it was enough to temporarily rent a homeless friend an apartment. They made a video covering the subject, it’s all in Russian though. (I don’t know the persons pronouns but they were a biological man)
I have been in this community for as loong as i can remember. I read my first book when i was 10 and I just turning 21 recently. The community has grown overtime and the talent was growing with it...however there were a few bad eggs from time to time. But recent events with the growing pedophila is just honestly sickening honestly...and its starting to grow more. For those people... you're not being "edgy" or "funny", you're sick and need to be evaluated as well as have the internet taken away from you. No one and especially not CHILDREN should be seeing this and think that this is okay. Be better...
Personally in terms of giving villain characters maps and stuff, unless they're specifically glorifying it, I think its fine. You can like a villain character without approving of what they do. You can enjoy the way the character was written, or appreciate the plotline of the character, without specifically saying "What this character did was good!!". And considering a lot of Warrior Cats revolves around some sort of conflict, its not surprising that people tend to make projects relating to the villains. A lot of people enjoy making AUs and stuff with these things because they're intriguing plotlines. I see the point about Thistleclaw/Spottedleaf and Spottedleaf/Firestar, since that includes grooming. *That* is just plain weird. But in terms of the Murder Cats, that's just sort of.. The nature of the series. Those characters exist to serve as conflict, or build the lore/stories of the world of Warrior Cats.
I personally found Mapleshade's story arch interesting. I do not agree with the fact that she murdered innocent cats. I just enjoy the idea of her character/arch. I don't exactly like how it was written; it could've had a lot more potential. But in terms of the concept, it was interesting. Stories would be absolutely boring without villains. Villains make it interesting, which is why people like villains. And because villains are so interesting, people are interested in making projects about them. And I'm not saying there aren't strange people out there that like these characters because they think murder is good or whatever. I'm just saying that most of the time, its not anything past "Oooh villains are cool and interesting" Or "I like this plotline".
I feel like its not that deep, anyway. People enjoy what they will. There's a lot worse problems within the fandom than thinking maps about the villains are bad. Like the NSFW in the fandom, or the creators who ended up with grooming allegations. Those are completely heinous compared to "Haha murder cat cool". I agree with a lot of this video (Besides the horror/gore part. I disagree with that- but I've seen other comments about it that explained it really well so I won't get into it.) but it bothers me a little bit that people who like/enjoy villains are just automatically villainized and considered bad for liking villains. If people hated the villains in Warrior Cats, a lot of people wouldn't be reading it. I don't think the author's goal (or any creator's goal) when making villains is to get you to hate them, necessarily. Its to get you to dislike what they're doing, but still find interest in the plotlines created within the media. Stories cannot exist without conflict or villains, and just because you find a villain interesting and choose to draw/animate about that character, it doesn't mean its bad. Or giving too much attention to them. (That point specifically was a little odd to me. Its a book series about cats, I feel like its not deep enough to go "People are giving too much attention to this murderer" when its a fictional character.) But saying people who draw/animate/write about villains glorifying murderers when people are drawing literal animal porn is a bit ridiculous to me. Creating fan media relating to villains doesn't automatically mean glorification.
People can enjoy whatever they want. (Within reason), and liking a villain doesn't automatically mean you're agreeing with their actions or glorifying them, you just like the way they're written/designed/their plotlines. And that's perfectly innocent and valid. And considering villains make up a good chunk of Warrior Cats (I mean plotlines, I'm aware there's more protagonists than antagonists, I just mean in each arch a good chunk of the big plotline is specifically these villains causing conflict) its kind of stupid to accuse people of glorifying murderers for making media relating to them, because even though yes, there is a lot of positive/happy plotlines and characters to make maps about, the good majority of plotlines in Warrior Cats ends up being conflict, and people tend to make maps about events/plotlines in the books. If people are making maps based off plotlines of the book (Which.. Yes, of course people were going to do that) Then yes villains will come up a lot.
TLDR; its not edgy to like villains and it doesn't automatically mean you're glorifying their actions when you make fan media about them. You're perfectly valid to like what you like (Within reason) and it doesn't harm anyone else to enjoy plotlines or lore relating to villains.
And to make it clear, I 100% think its fine to go after pedophiles like Thistleclaw. I don't remember if there's any other grooming situations in the series (Haven't read it in a while), but things like *that* are fine to go after. Or pedophiles in the fandom. Those types of things are 100% not okay. But when it comes to fictional murderers, I just feel like its a little nitpicky to pick apart people who like villains when there's so, so much worse in the fandom.
The villain thing- there is a difference between liking an evil character and thinking the villain was correct. I LOVE mapleshade as a character but I despise her thought process. I hate her actions and absolutely her story probably shouldn't be in a kids book but I wanted to say my piece as a mapleshade, ashfur, sol, (hollyleaf cough cough) fan I wanted to share
i think the gore is fine as long as it has a warning since its literally in the books and like everyone with internet access has been watching gore since they were in preschool, but the sexual stuff? ew, disgusting theyre literal feral cats. children are even allowed in a lot of the maps that make the weird feral stuff. Sexual depictions and fantasys of animals is literally qualified as z00philia, and it's disgusting that adults are grooming kids into drawing that type of stuff for their maps.
also its kind of silly to get mad at people for liking villains.
its okay to like morally fucked characters, fictional murders/abusers in media are always pretty popular with fans because villains are cool.
its not like people actually think that what ashfur or tigerstar did was okay, you can acknowledge that a character is a horrible person (or cat) and still adore them since the villains are almost always more complex and interesting than the heros.
i think you're just speaking from bad experience (which is vaild) but you should keep in mind that kids have always loved spooky stuff like gore and horror. thats why horror games are now over saturated with stuff clearly targeted for kids who just want an adrenaline rush from the jumpscare.
that's also why kids love halloween. they get to dress up in bloody costumes with little knife props or spooky masks and everything is decorated with monsters and dead people. they literally sell candy that looks like human remains like eyes, guts, and blood, that kids go absolutely feral for.
kids are little edgelords, they always have been and always will be.
thats how stuff like the creepypasta fandom came to be, because a lot of kids find comfort, joy, or even inspiration in that kind of thing.
hell id argue that most kids routed for the villains to win while watching disney movies or just other childrens media in general.
I agree 100% with everything you said dude
Guese really made a MAP about MAPs 💀💀
Also Mapleshade is so overglorified and her behavior is excused so much in the fandom. Cheating is not a justification for 3 counts of murder and several accounts of attemptedmurder.
LITERALLY!! I hate seeing people justify it. And because its put in books for minors it normalizes the idea of enjoying it.
RIGHT!?
I mean, holy crap I hate how the fandom glorifies Mapleshade.
Sure, Appledusk was an ass for cheating on her.
But she literally MURDERED people, and attempted to murder Reedshine, who had NOTHING TO DO WITH HER SITUATION.
@@Warriorcatman She didn't babytrap him though. Stop letting MRAs sell you this lie of "babytrapping", its not like Appledusk was raped by Mapleshade.
And Mapleshade was possessive because Appledusk was cheating on her lmao.
@@yeayeayeah933 about the baby trapping thing, I put "??" behind it because I wasn't 100% sure the term was right, as English isn't my first language, I'm really sorry about that!
My point with it still sorta stands though: Mapleshade used the kits as a way to keep Appledusk (which is proven by her saying "Appledusk is mine and these kits will make sure of it").
2nd thing, I'm pretty sure she was possessive of Appledusk before he started being with Reedshine, but I'd need to re-read the book to confirm that, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here
I don't think cheating is the right thing to do, not even on a possessive psycho wife, Appledusk was in the wrong for cheating for sure, but that doesn't make Mapleshade innocent.
NOT EXCUSING HER BTW - but she was schizophrenic, seeing and hearing hallucinations of her dead kits that weren't real was schizophrenic symptoms. I think that's a different and cool concept and I like her as a villain but the CONSTANT EXCUSES are actually pretty annoying. Like I said, I am not purposely excusing her just saying how it's different for the Erins and yes - cool.
I do not understand why Geuse is still favorited in this fandom. Straight Boyz was sexual, but it wasn't inheritely explicit. The new MAP is just... straight up porn. It's not even satire anymore, it's just porn. With children watching and children participating in the MAP. And I know damn well Guese is well aware of this, he just loves getting in trouble. Guese is an adult. While he can not control who watches his content, he can control who participates in his MAPS. And he decided to let minors take a part. All of Geuse's fans are either creeps like him, or children who don't know any better. Please stay safe.
I think its fine for kids to draw bloody or horror related art. Because many cats in the books fight and die. So its fine if a kid draws art with blood.
Not to be rude, but reading about cats fighting a killing eachother is much different than watching or drawing cats killing and fighting eachother. Just my opinion, however e r.
@@sir..nightmareeok, if you're sensitive to that. Then maybe don't watch animations based on the book. It's not the atrists job to babysit kids.
4:38 WAIT THEY WERE INTENDED FOR KIIDS? YALL EVER SEE THOSE VIDEOS THAT ARE LIKE “warriors cats is made for kids” AND THEN THEY LIST EVERYTHING BAD THAT ISNT KID SAFE ABOUT THEM, I LIGIT THOUGHT THAT IT WAS THE BOOK ITSELF, BUT IT WAS THE FANDOM THAT DID ALL OF THAT AND NOT THE BOOKS 😭?
nah, they're wrong about that, the books have a lot of gorey moments that shouldn't be in any book intended for kids
@@raposinhadoaj I learned that after finishing book 5 of the prophecy’s begin….
Finally, someone with some common sense.
Warriors is a well done series, but as with all large fandoms, there's bound to be a bad side to it. New subscriber earned, well done spreading awareness- I didn't even know about that map. Thanks for letting us know.
It's okay to like the bad characters, as long as you UNDERSTAND that what they did was wrong, and why. I love some villains in other media, even if I would absolutely hate their guts in real life.
I agree with everything you said except for the loving mapleshade thing because she kills cats that goes for like every fandom ever that has a villian like demon slayer and dragonball muzan and frieza and a number of other characters has done mass genocide but everyone loves them and glorifies them thats just how people and fandoms are same goes for Jason Michael Myers chucky Five nights at Freddy's most kids love and all those robots do is kill.
And fr we need more big maps for beginners bruh i never be getting in for crap bruh i wish there were more maps for beginners
I think it’s sad there aren’t many maps that are for beginners. We miss out on so many people because we just don’t see them.
I also wish that, esp maps where ppl can learn how to animate. I would love to be in one but idk how to edit and stuff
Liking it's not the issue. What's bad is that there are people saying that Mapleshade is cool for doing terrible things
"This is for kids" ugh. Why don't you disable your comment section like any other "for kids" stuff. Kids don't get to experience 99% bullshits the world has to offer and somehow we expect them to grow up like us. I guess feeding kids fox news is the only remedy.
The fandom is full of people who are preteens and teens. They don't need to find a video that sexualizes cats and has a kitten getting r-worded in the thumbnail. 💀
@@_The_Lizard_King well, that is gross. But it's against RUclips's guidelines to be under 13 on regular youtube.
@@Snekysnitch There's lots of 12 year olds in the fandom. I actually started reading the books when I was 11 or 12.
Even a 13 year old shouldn't be watching content that sexualizes cats and glorifies p3dophilia.
To be completely honest with you, I don't think most of this is the fault of the fandom but rather of the kids' parents. Children should not be on the internet below the age of 13 period, especially not on big group fandom sites like amino or deviantart. Yes, there are a lot of horrible people in the fandom and I don't doubt that, but I feel like a lot of the mature content isn't glorifying anything but rather taking what they were given in the books and making art with it. The grooming stuff is a different, more disgusting story, but the gore and violence and everything, and honestly even some of the weirder canon relationships (like the incestual or huge age gapped ones), can be made into content without necessarily approving of it. Fandom spaces (no matter what book series/show/movie they're based around) will always have some horrible people and horrible stuff, but they will always have kids in them no matter what rules are in place, and it's not the older teens' or adults' job to protect them. It's the job of the kids' parents/guardians to teach them how to avoid mature content.
Edit: Also, I'd just like to point out that while trigger warnings are great for a lot of things, there are also studies that have been done which concluded that they're actually making things a lot worse. People aren't building up tolerances like they used to, and it's making a lot of older Gen Z'ers struggle in the real world. Obviously on the internet, TWs are good for things like grooming and pedos and whatnot but it gets to a point where people are kind of just sitting alone in their personal bubble and not allowing themselves to experience any kind of uncomfortable-ness or anxiety or hardship which will ultimately fuck them up even worse. Children shouldn't be on the internet super young and their parents shouldn't be allowing them to access mature content, but these content creators and older fans don't have any obligation to censor themselves or their work as long as it's nothing illegal or directly harming another person. In fact, they really shouldn't censor their work. Censorship of art shouldn't happen - it's art. Some pieces are supposed to make you uncomfortable, or make you think, or make you experience emotions that you would rather not experience. That's like, the whole point.
To add on to this, people making art and animations of morally bad characters isn't really them glorifying their actions like 90% of the time. Characters like Ashfur and Mapleshade just are genuinely good, interesting characters (at least in some parts of the books), and it makes them fun to make content of. Just because a character does something wrong doesn't mean they're not a good, well-written character deserving of a fanbase - it just means that their fanbase has to know how to distinguish bad actions from bad characters, and they have to know how to talk about liking the character without supporting those actions.
i mean from personal experience when i was little i glorified it but i corrected myself in the comments and agree with most of these takes
Yeah, but to be fair you were also like... a child that didn't know any better. That's kind of a different story, and also leads back to the point that kids' parents should be teaching them not to think that way and not to interact with content that's too mature for their age level. If a kid wants to be on the internet before 13, their parents should *probably* be monitoring what they're doing so that they can catch stuff like that. @@lunazure
@@houndsharkkyou knew me when i was that little haha my brain was not doing good my internet should have been monitored
Yeah 💀 We both should have been monitored like that shit was not good for us KJSDH @@lunazure
you dont need to spam TWs, like 8 times.
Knowing the community, they really do
Personally Gore is fine in maps but give tw warnings, a lot of trigger warnings! Like the Cell block tango map and most of The dark forest maps, I do feel some should be age limited depending on the amount of gore.
And I definitely feel Mapleshade is a problematic cat, she’s well written but she’s meant to be disliked not loved. She made choices and blamed them on other cats, yes she did clearly have mental problems. But, you could tell she was incredibly controlling, Appledusk on the other hand is way too hated, all he did was cheat, it’s an every day thing. Yes he did care about the kits death, it describes his emotions in the book, same with Frecklewish. But people who read Mapleshades book are reading it for her, and her only. Not her story and how bad decisions make bad consequences. But, she’s way too overloved and shes an incredibly overrated character who honestly should just be forgotten about at this point in the canon universe. She never played a special role besides training cats in the dark forest and following Ashfur. “Oh Tigerstar is scared of her so shes amazing” Nah man shes just a murder😭 I too would ve scared of a murderer even if I was Tigerstar bc Damn, she was a problem.
Age limited? Who wants to send their Credit card to youtube just to watch a map. Lmao
@@Snekysnitch No, I mean some youtube videos can be age limited, without having to pay.
0:05 You spell it ‘pedophillia’.
To be honest, it's a little stuffy. That is, well, blood and blood, this is life, brother. There will always be blood and death. I drew this myself when I was 11 years old. And nothing seems to live normally
I'm genuinely so disappointed with this fandom, I'm slowly drifting away from it. Wcue and pédos have ruined it for me it's insane and I hate seeing something I used to love turn into something I hate
I love warriors as a whole and honestly don’t plan on leaving but stuff like this just makes me want to vomit like don’t be a creep towards kids?? It’s not that hard??
Also on the topic of warrior maps one thing I think just the whole art community needs to work on is being supportive to beginners like we were all there once we gotta boost each other up in the wasteland that is the internet
To everyone who sees this comment: DO NOT comment on or engage with Geuses videos harrasing them and their horrible deeds! Its what they want and it boosts the video and pushes it onto the algorithm! Escpecially is you are a minor as you will get targeted by Geuse and their disgusting supporters! Report the video and block (or report for that matter) Geuse! What they are doing is vile and wrong and i hope most people know that by now!
Also, share this video! Toast put alot of effort into it and more people need to know about this situation! Thank you ❤
thank you for this comment ❤
@@lunazure no problem! 🫶
Update as of October 29th: *HE DELETED HIS ACCOUNT WE WON RAHHHH* 🦅🦅🦅🦅
Wait! Really? Nice! Also, I think I missed something, because why did they delete everything? What happened?
@@Crowfulley Yeah it’s completely confusing but when looking for KillerQueen she put a Community Post saying that “He May be gone but lives with us” some sort of shit. I went scrolling and someone did ask about it and Killer said that he chose to move on with his life and deleted his account. It will be easy to find KillerQueen account since she has been one of his backers and harassed peeps in the past.
@@CrowfulleyIf you go on the Darksol map he helped with his account is no longer linked and all the stuff he made or community post won’t load.
lets goooo
Good he needed his account deleted lmao
It’s not a kids book though… people from age 13+ should be able to read it if they can handle picturing what happens in these books
It was still the main series demographic, even saying that the books are "for kids 10+" on the back of the covers near the barcode.
I mean, for the point about gore, happy tree friends did a lot of the same violence/gore stuff, the fluffy cutesy cartoon art style or name definitely doesn’t mean it’s for kids
The books were written for younger teens and describe violence/gore quite often as a result, just because it’s fantasy cats doesn’t mean it’s appropriate for young children
i watched the map a moment ago. i wanted to watch a map like i often do. i saw the dropitlikeitshot map and thought "oh cool, a new map." and the thumbnail only told me like "oh, it's like a creepy gore-y dark forest map or something" but then i watched it and....yeah. about 30 seconds in i reported the video and then i read the comments-oh boy, there are people actually celebrating the map and praising it. but as the curious little shit i am, i finished watching the map. one of the ships was hollyleaf and breezepelt, first i thought it was crowfeather, but it's still incest. i am not somebody who actually panics when seeing (fictional) incest or rape or whatever, i just cringe really really bad and try to leave the subject if i can.
Was there a warning for that? /genq
Cause depending on the content, it either shouldn't be on RUclips or should have a warning
i don't really remeber, but i'm pretty sure it doesn't
Not a fan of these types of videos as they honestly only draw attention to a tiny tiny minority of the fandom. So I’m not gonna watch.
What this will do is open up 8 year olds eyes to stuff they don’t need to see.
You shouldn’t link the problematic content in the description lmao
i get that but i feel like it would also cause problems if i don’t credit it
@@lunazure why credit problematic people????
@@RossThePuppyCatur right actually, i’ll remove the link
Second opinion is weak. It's a gory series with graphic descriptions of childbirth and death, people are going to draw inspiration from that. It's not their job to curtail those people.
It sucks, I didn’t think anything of that map on the thumbnail watched the whole thing and was disgusted honestly..
I don't agree with everything you said, and the kids finding the maps is just kinda off to me. So of course you knew when uploading the video, you had to say: This video is not for kids. And a lot of the maps aren't made with kids in mind. Hell like 99% of the maps I've seen have a trigger warning in place. And the fact that kids are finding this is the reason that we all now have to put 'no not for kids' or 'yes it's for kids' on our videos because youtube got a huge fine from COPPA. (Children's Online Privacy Protection Act) So the fact that kids under 13 are finding videos, means that they are lying about their age or using a parent's account. And to that I say; It's the parent's responsibility for what their child sees. I am not a parent whatsoever so I can't really say how much it can effect children, but honestly, If I was under 13 and my parents saw that I was watching heavily gore themes, I'd probably be off that video faster than you could say one. And I agree that bigger animators should host more beginner friendly maps. I don't do animations at all, but I love to watch them. And even smaller and more beginner friendly animations are fun and enjoyable to watch. But this is just my two cents.
Not me being 12 and I am a literal Gore artist.😭
@@Cedar_and_pals youtube is meant for 13+
@@Lu13s I had permission to join though.
@@Cedar_and_palspermission or not you honestly shouldn’t be posting on RUclips unless it’s through your parents or something. Legally it’s just dubious, nothing against you as a person!
@@Techyena I just want to share art and my pet snake- not too long from now I'm gonna be 13 tho so that's really why I'm not staying off of here
Also I love your animations!
I like the Horror Fan Side of WarriorCats (Horror Maps stuff like that) but i HATE the sexual side... its disgusting.
5:38 Spottedleaf did not groom firestar, firestar when he came to the clan just had a crush on her which is odd i will admit and her liking him after her death isnt good either [also another point that no one talks about is thrushpelt and bluestar, [SPOILERS AHEAD] in bluestar's prophecy thrushpelt is already a warrior when bluestar is born but thrushpelt had a crush on bluestar and a lot of their clanmates were nagging at bluestar to be his mate even when she was VERY CLEAR that she DIDNT EVEN LIKE HIM
Late but yeah she didn't groom but she still likes him after which is creepy, finally someone doesn't gaslight everyone into thinking her never liking him happened 😭
I haven't read that super edition yet and, welp, now I hate thrushpelt, another creepy huge age gap predator relationship, also why is it so common in the books for there to just be a bunch of cats nagging a she cat to get with a tom she doesn't even like 😭
Important note I kinda wanna talk about you noted: I agree wholeheartedly how people only want popular people in their MAPs - However, I feel like that being medium strict is more than valid. And I feel like that gives the best results to the MAP too to see the diversity.
Just my opinion that I wished to share. ❤ Stay safe from Geuse and their supporters!
Hey I saw your pinned comment, but I still need to throw my hat in the ring as I thought that this video opened up some pretty civil conversations that should be had more often. I don’t want this to be super repetitive though as I saw a lot of folks here say some pretty good points so instead, I wanted to address other things:
*Also (for the sake of Transparency), I am in fact, a former warrior cats fandom member. I don’t partake in warrior cats anymore (this goes for canonical and fan related stuff, it’s honestly funny that this video even pass through my feed in the first place), and I am much older than when I first joined the community.*
I personally believe that warrior cats as a whole shouldn’t be for younger kids, which, in the grand scheme of things, it’s a much more deep-rooted issue. I think a lot of warrior cats book’s topics aren’t handled as gracefully as it could be, which normalizes some pretty messed up stuff for younger audiences (I understand that younger kids do/can comprehend things that a lot of people don’t give them as much credit as they should but, we do need to be understanding of the things that younger kids genuinely can’t comprehend as deeply as an older audience member). It’s clear that your personal experience has certainly shaped the way you see younger audiences, but I do believe some blame falls to the parents that let their children on the Internet unsupervised. Also, we do need to acknowledge that some kids are just super sneaky (there are many cases of children sneaking to see things that they have no business seeing in order to feel “cool” or to quench their curiosity. kids are super impressionable, and this mixed with the fact that children mind’s aren’t fully develop leads to some terrible situations).
Also, it’s to my understanding that you misinterpreted the definition of glorification a bit (Glo·ri·fi·ca·tion - the action of describing or representing something as **admirable**, especially unjustifiably). I do believe this point had a lot of merit, though as I totally agree from when I was in the community, I saw far too many people glorifying some pretty messed up stuff. There is a difference between depicting something that happened and glorifying it though, I can depict what Ashfur did without glorifying his actions. I personally find Mapleshade such a fascinating character, and I believe that her book introduced such an interesting concept (that has been done before, of course). That being it has an unreliable narrator, the book shows you what happened from her perspective (which is made all the more interesting as from the start, she’s proven to be pretty unreliable source). I have my own gripes with this book though as, I felt like it could’ve been written a bit better (for clarity’s sake and to give more background on certain pieces of info). As a person, I find Mapleshade deplorable and I couldn’t imagine myself ever thinking fondly of her. People are allowed to like a character as a character and despise who they are as a person, having discernment is a very important aspect of keeping that balance.
Despite my essays-worth of interjections, I do believe this video has some good points. I did feel as if some of your takes, were a little clouded by your own personal preferences and past experiences (totally understandable, this was a rant after all if I’m not mistaken). Good job for taking criticism though, learning is never linear. It’s always important to be open to learn and truly educate yourself to have well-rounded opinions.
Have a good day ^^
I have to admit right after watching this vid I tried to find the map that you talked about in the beginning of the vid bc like you I’m nosy but I just couldn’t find it (witch is good ofc) but did the map or the creators account get deleted or banned? (Again that’s good that it’s gone)
Same😅
an artist, writer or any other creator is NOT obliged to please everyone and draw what will please the majority. NSFW artist ≠ bad person, rapist, psycho. Those who draw content of this kind are the same people as we are, approving horror, blood, guts and so on but condemning NSFW is hypocritical IMHO (you may be disgusted by it but acknowledge the existence of these things). Everything is ok as long as it is away from children, parents should control children and not prohibit and restrict people. Any problematic content, if it is not distributed to the open general public, children and others, has its place, these are the rules of the Internet.
there's a difference between drawing nsfw and drawing feral cats having intercourse. it's very clear which one op is calling [rightfully] disgusting and it's weird how you're trying to reframe the argument as being about nsfw as a genre.
guese just really ticks me off. they treat EVERYTHING like a joke and make insane videos and maps. the maps they have made are mental and i will never support them through ANYTHING.
I don't see a lot of people talking about it, but your point about young/beginner artists being rejected from MAPs is really true. I understand that yeah, it won't always fit in right with popular animators, but also it will help their self esteem! Not to mention, how are they supposed to improve if they can't join a project?
There's lots of ways to improve, for example animation memes. Animation Memes are extremely beginner friendly, and you can improve your animation skills by doing that. I don't think Map creators have to make their Maps beginner friendly just because it hurts the self-esteem of random people they don't know.
sorry but i dont entirely agree with the gore aspect. A lot of fans are adults, the catering isnt just to kids anymore, and we engage with the themes shown in the book. For a lot of us, gore art is how we vent. Im sick of things having to be sanitized because kids could see it. Thats not my job to protect them. This is for most fandoms. It isnt my job to make everything happy and positive online. The monitoring of children is up to their parents, not us.
The shipping is different. That gets taken too far and the fandom gets disgusting.
I agree with you that gore is fine in warriors but your reasoning is awful. That’s like saying there’s nothing wrong with adults drawing rule 34 of a character like Dora and if kids see it then it’s their fault. When you enter a community of children and draw adult content it is your responsibility to ensure minors don’t see it.
2:25 💀💀💀💀 you did not just say it was for kids now did you- Warrior cats is definitely not for kids, it is aimed towards 12-13 year olds and up
Oooo you had scratch? Me too, I am still on it rn
Hate to break it to you but 12-13 are kids. Anyone below 18 can be considered a kid
I didn’t even know that map was a thing, and you know what I think i’m better off not even knowing about it or hearing about it…ever, and the fact that some people in the fandom promote this kind of stuff, really any fandom that is known to have kids in it, I hate to think of the fact that kids are being exposed to this type of stuff on youtube and even if youtube kids is a thing I doubt any kids actually used it and even then some kids content has some questionable stuff that is “presumably” for kids, I mean even the actual books hardly ever go THIS far, and you’re completely right I do think there should be more maps containing beginner animators, I mean if you just don’t include them just because they’re not popular yet is just gonna discourage them from actually getting better I mean who knows they might be popular one day and besides even the popular animators were all beginners at one point, it’s just not fair to treat the more recent animators like they just don’t have a place in maps I mean everyone starts out like a beginner. It’s really screwed up how the world treats people like they aren’t good enough when everyone started out at the same level of skill and of course with time comes talent I mean you can’t just not let someone in just because they don’t have that yet.
Warrior is a teens book….and should be seen as one.
WHATTHEFUCK I WENT TO GO WATCH THAT MAP I AM TRAUMATIZED. (Breaking news 12 year old gets to curious to see what the fuck the DROPITLIKEITSHOT! COMPLETE WARRIOR CATS MAP Was and watches it and gets traumatized.)
I find this comment a little too relatable 😭🙏
Ayo ain’t no way that’s the thumbnail for dropitlikeitshot. I ain’t gonna watch it becuase wtf 💀
that map was vile, please don’t watch this video if u don’t want to see the map contents
@@lunazure yeah not planning on it, how is it even still up?????
@@algiz_3696I have the same question. And my my other question is: WHY WAS IT FINISHED? WHY DID PEOPLE JOINED THAT MAP? SMSM HUH!?
@@LocalLazyStove fr people really thought it would be ok to draw clearly p*dophilic situations as long as the map is titled “Problematic” do they think the movie Cuties is ok too 😭
Yea- like, if I was an animator, and saw a map call like that I would just go like “EW-“ and just move on. But for whatever reason this MAP was finished- *sobs*
Also, I wouldn’t be surprised if they actually think Cuties is okay.
I have another take to add onto this, I absolutely despise how spottedleaf and thistleclaw's character assassinations have effected actual grooming victims in the fandom. Coming from the partner of an abuse/grooming victim, with most of my friends being abuse/grooming victims, the cycle of abuse does not work like that and it CERTAINLY does not make people into groomers. I am tired of people implying my partner is a danger to children because of things he was groomed into making.
BRO'S ONTO NOTHING 🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯💯💯
Blud defending someone who panders to literal zoophiles. L.
@@_The_Lizard_KingNope. There are sites, many sites, with actual zoo content. Like irl. Makes no sense why they’d watch a poorly drawn softcore warriors map to get off instead of watching the real thing.
@@humanbeeing4780 K. But there's literally actual zoophiles in his audience. Like, I literally encountered one, but okay.
i honestly am not involved in this fandom at all. like, never was interested, probably never will be, but i found this interesting
Thank you, that honestly means a lot to me that my video was able to interest someone who has no involvement! Thanks for the comment!
5:37
it is normal for cats to clean each other in all sorts of sections on their bodies though I don't think it's seen often but yes it's normal for cats to clean each other just, if it's a pre-teen recomended book series you are right it is kinda messed up
[when I said pre-teen recommended yes I meant it because 9-12 is considered a pre-teen.]
okay i did NOT EXPECT THE SONICXKERMIT THING LMAO that caught me off guard 😭😭
I think its fine for kids to watch violent stuff or ships BUT DEFINETLY NOT THE GEUSE MAP
7:36 I kinda disagree on the MAP thing.
I’m a smaller creator who does MAPs and theres lots out there by smaller creators for smaller creators and I thinks its often bigger creators choosing bigger creators
My favorite thing to do is describe the plot of warrior cats to someone without mentioning that they’re cats. It’s lovely that warriors can tackle such dark concepts with cats and teach kids about these things but man people please add trigger warnings more and age restricted your super nasty shit, or don’t post it on RUclips at all where it’s super accessible. (And also warrior cats stop mishandling topics like grooming! :)))
Also yeeaaah my art growing up of like violent cat death I didn’t realize was actually worrying until ppl expressed that to me lmfao
Warriors teaches us grooming is bad for ALLL THE WRONG REASONSS. like I know they aren’t allowed to explicitly mention the topic of grooming, so why even include such topics? The fandom over here glorifying ivypool along with the whole darkforest shenanigans is making things worse. While the authors and the omen of the stars did handle the subject of grooming quite well while still being un- explicit, the fandom just HAD to taint it, didn’t they?
On the other hand, the authors ONLY made thistleXspotted seem like a bad thing because of his relations to the darkforest and not because he wanted to f**k a minor. This just no winning here.
I loved Warriors since middle school and there is lots I love about this fandom but it has lots of flaws like all fandoms. I do agree with the glorifying blood and gore. I definitely drew lots of that because of Warriors and I mean drawing gore isn’t inherently wrong. Lots of people don’t like it but I really don’t see anything wrong with drawing that as late teen but young kids like 10 and stuff really don’t understand it. And with the pron and pedo stuff god this makes me want to leave this fandom immediately. I have a past with the media I consumed at a young age being very sexual and it kinda fucked with my head. I don’t want kids to view that sick map and think it’s ok to draw and post feral p because they really don’t know better. I feel like lots of maps and other animations are good at putting warnings to scare off young kids but that doesn’t always work ofc. I feel like once the map I’m working on is done I’m done with Warriors for good. I’ve seen a sudden spike with South Park x Warriors maps which isn’t inherently horrible but idk I feel like it needs to have an eye on it since sp can be pretty bad and teach young kids some not good things. Not trying to be a buzz kill the ones I’ve seen haven’t been bad but yk it has potential especially with lots of bad people in this fandom.
I vaguely recall in a video pointing out Geuse’s actions, Geuse commented on it saying “Cry harder :)” yeah that’s a big no-
SAME
The people in the comments DEFENDING FUCKING BRAMBLESTAR HELPP???
I think by the bad maps, it’s 13 year olds who don’t comprehend how bad it is. I myself is in the fandom and there’s a lot of heat coming over here. But just because there’s a few bad apples doesn’t mean everyone is.
I never heard of drop it like it’s hot.
And when I did I didn’t go
“Oh cats getting together how fun😍☺️🤩”
Nope I was disappointed in my community. I don’t glorify mapleshades killings in-fact I think she’s over rated.
And most of us don’t even like ashfur. I think he was a weird villain.
And for the blood thing. How can you have war without death? It’s like trashing the FNAF community saying “THEY KILLED THE MISSING CHILDREN AND MADE ART OF IT ITS BAD!”
I understand what you’re saying but that ASHFUR X SCOURGE map. Nobody likes and people even make fun of it.
One day when im making a warrior cats channel. and guess wht
No drama
Ill be safe and kind
i wont bully
ill be a person somebody can look up to and actually be a good person :)
That's impossible
@@Cinderpelt2036 It's worth a shot
I kind of understand the gore. There is many maps that cover the actual story, which there are many and I mean MANY violent deaths. Which of course makes people want to recreate them. The sexual content still disgusts me. It is just so awful. They're CATS. ANIMALS FOR FUCKS SAKE
I personally think take about “the beginners MAP” is annoying, because there are maps like this, but, well, nobody’s advertising them! Or paying attention. There is a big creator who’s making them, but, well, people want a good quality for the maps with the good idea. I can’t blame them. It’s society, and it was made by us.
For me, the problem with fandom is that YES, it’s supposed to be for kids, and yes, in this 2003 year they were kids. But they grew up. They’re staying in the fandom because of nostalgia, and growing up. Warriors cats IS a bad book for kids, because of it’s poor writing and we’re ignoring that, I would say it’s grew some of bad people we have today. But also! I don’t think kids should avoid mature themes.. it’s the way it shown that’s the problem. I mean, it’s parent’s fault they not checking what their kid’s doing. Or they’re not teaching kids about adult stuff in the way they need. They have to check what their kid’s watching. And before adulthood its PARENT’s duty to control their kids, NOT SOME RANDOM ADULT ON INTERNET. that said adult can groom kid, making them what they want. I hate this take about noname adult’s duty. Max they have to do is warn to watch the media with parents or something. But first of all.. PARENTS.
Im not excusing anyone, I am adult myself and well, I feel BAD for being adult because how many boundaries I have to make rn and be happy when I’m with other adults. These days im just afraid of talking with minors.
I use Scratch, and once I saw someone posting ship art of Spottedpaw and Thistleclaw- 😭💀 Like what the hell?? It's disgusting
tbh, before geuse could've posted the map, he at least should've age restricted it and didnt add Darkstripe gr--ming Sorrelkit as the thumbnail.....BUT NO! apparantely that doesnt apply to him because he thinks there isnt anything wrong with it....i get he is an adult, and he does his own stuff...BUT NOT THIS STUFF!!!....p-dophillia is not okay...and the other sad thing is that some people are supporting him and one thing he did that was really uncalled for was the fact he had the audacity to put "🛬🏦🏦🔥" which i guess is supposed to be a..uh.."New York" joke, with a picture of his OC holding a gun and wearing a "I ❤ KIDS" shirt on his community tab, and it really p-ssed me off because 9/11 jokes arent funny, they're just plain uncalled for and yucky because so many people suffered at that time and he's making fun about it, and he supports p-dophillia which is also very gross and yucky....he doesnt deserve attention whatsoever, he's basically the HypnotistSappho of the WarriorCats fandom except he isnt a z--phile, and just like HypnotistSappho, he likes, child p-rnography, p-dophillia, and feral p-rnography (as shown in his more recent map) and its just disgusting and sad that people like him still exist in this world...as a minor myself and a near-victim of sexual violence, which is something Geuse has shown in his latest map, this type of stuff actually scares me a lot because i have past trauma with it and if someone asks me my age, i dont really say because i dont want to fall into any traps, but overall, i agree with you on the Geuse situation...and that the books are made specifically for children even while it still tackles some pretty intense stuff, which i feel okay with since i can handle death and pretty sure a lot of kids my age can too, it just really really hurts to see that people go through this irl and people such as Geuse are making fun about it. But i agree with you hardly, no one should suffer from what Geuse has done and just be living their life without having to worry about any of this.
very well-said, i am a minor who was victim of sexual violence too. i hope you’re doing fine now.
@@pawmeat thank you for the reassurance, and yes I am doing fine now, I am safe, and I hope you get well soon as well :)
Honestly him being a adult and making this kind of map and not even putting a age restriction show how much of a bad person they are. What even worse is he allowed underage users to be part of the map itself.
@@fuzzybuns296 exactly! he could've also posted it on some generic 18+ website instead of a platform THAT IS LITERALLY FULL OF CHILDREN!!!!! they can literally search up this stuff and go like "oh! a kitty cat animation!" like nahhhhh bro💀 and the fact he has the audacity to make this type of sh-t too. Its just sad to see that people like him still exist
I would just like to add- people do not like the character who kills ppls actions. they find the character intresting. someone who is murderous isn't 'someone whose example you should follow' cool, their motivations and their arc is interesting, so people want to see them. i love mapleshade, but if she was a real person i would despise her. it's the fact she's fictional and that her arc is so endeering that makes me like her. I don't agree with her actions, but the way she's written to be slowly (not very slowly- very moderite-ly) going crazy and killing because she feels the need for revenge just.. makes her so intresting.
Warrior cats was never really pointed towards minor audiences, which is why there will most likely be no movie of the series, while I agree with some of your points as many other people have stated. Many fandoms and series have terrible sides to them and sometimes there’s just nothing you can really do
Also it’s the parent’s responsibility for their kids internet access, not the people ON the internet
And if you have a problem with CHILDREN, on the INTERNET, a place where many people can get hurt, then talk to the parents, not the people old enough to be here. Parents are responsible for their children having access to this kind of stuff, not us, and not you.
Warrior cats was never intended for children, nor will it ever be. The youngest age it advertises to is 9+. I get it, this wasn’t scripted, but please for the love of god, so research before you rant, it makes everyone less likely to be angry
9-11 is still a young audience
True, it is. And I’ll admit it, tbh the libraries in schools still advertise them to really young students, but from my own experience, I felt like the books (when I was around 4-5) were too difficult to read, but some kids are different
Gore and horror are okay but f*cked romantic AU maps?! IT FEELS UNSUITABLE
I'd like to add my two cents to this matter as a person who was once a dumb child on the internet. I was a part of many classic fandoms of the 2010s like undertale, mlp and of course, warrior cats. The thing was that a lot of people seemed to just forget that there were children who were in the fandom. Thus I and many others were exposed to highly edgy and innappropriate media. This was particularly bad in the MLP fandom where you couldn't go 5 minutes without running into "MLP BAD END SPEEDPAINT" or "ASK EVIL (INSERT PONY) QUESTIONS."
Stuff like this definitely affected me a lot as a kid, even if I didn't realise it at the time. I just was obsessed with all the violence. It was like a drug, knowing that I was watching something "forbidden."
So while I enjoy some good old edge and gore, please don't forget that children exist and will probably see it.
3:46 me fr 😭 the teachers called my mom to talk, they thought i was mentally ill cause i drew my edgy warriors oc killing their mother and ecplained it happily to the teacher 😭
I do think it’s fine to like villains, because that doesn’t mean you agree with them. Obviously if you like a villain because you think they’re correct in real world standards then that’s a problem
I completely understand what you mean about mapleshade, and I do agree she’s heavily glorified, however you can say the same thing about almost all supervillains and antagonists in movies and shows and books. Take Star Wars and marvel as an example, they have tons of merchandise encouraging the support of the negative characters. The warriors fandom is no different.