From Ono-ha Itto ryu reading: Kiri-otoshiis both the main technique and idea (philosophy) of the school. In Kiri-otoshi(dropping cut), the idea is to waitfor the attack to initiate, but when appropriate, tocut down at the same time as the enemy cuts down, along the same line as the enemy’s cut(straight through the center of the enemy’s body).By overriding his sword (displacing it with the Shinogi), the attack is disrupted before it can be completed, thereby creating the condition of Shini-tachi(dead sword) in the enemy’s technique.Kiriotoshicontinues to Menor through to Chudan(Kissakiat the enemy’s Nodo). www.knbk.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/OHIR-1.pdf
To say "dropping cut" is not an entirely accurate translation. It is better to say "cutting down". You are felling the attack as you would a tree. Then the attack falls like dead wood-shinidachi.
hm.. In a jikeiko situation "wait for the attack to initiate" is a no go, unless the opponent is slow and or you have reflex of a god, I had been trying to learn this for a while, kendo strikes are too fast for this technique to work if you just stand there and wait for it, you must initiate to force/trick/invite your opponent to cut down your center line first, then you perform the kiriotoshi.
I am not sure if understood this technique correctly, but it seems like you will have better chance if you are taller since you push down your opponents Shinai...right?
Timing, yes, but not sheer speed. It is a tightly constrained technique that displaces their point and their cutting path with your shinogi (the ridge where the flat meets the angled surface that leads to the edge). Because your movement is smaller but firm and controlled, starting your cut later isn’t a particular speed problem [so long as you successfully draw out their attack and know how to read its arrival early enough]. The move has to be proactive, not reactive: trying too hard to respond to the visual cue of their cut will mean that you take too long, delaying your own cut. This is especially important with shinai, because they are naturally fast in the hands of any kendoka. I hope this helps!
Amoral u dont use the tsuba. Its not blocking - its hitting in perfect timing with tenouchi earlier than your opponent. Its not a secret but needs lot of practice.
@@mylander666 I think probably not blocking but redirecting the opponents Shinai, (maybe, I quite not understand the techique..) and as far the timing goes, I think the person who does kiri otoshi is the one who strikes later (because you put your Shinai above his)...but I could be wrong.. I do agree about the practice though :)
That is not what is happening. It is not a block, it's a slide/redirection, if you are getting hit in the tsuba, you are not doing the technique. Most importantly: it is not after the opponent has hit, it is in the same time, not two separate movements.
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From Ono-ha Itto ryu reading: Kiri-otoshiis both the main technique and idea (philosophy) of the school. In Kiri-otoshi(dropping cut), the idea is to waitfor the attack to initiate, but when appropriate, tocut down at the same time as the enemy cuts down, along the same line as the enemy’s cut(straight through the center of the enemy’s body).By overriding his sword (displacing it with the Shinogi), the attack is disrupted before it can be completed, thereby creating the condition of Shini-tachi(dead sword) in the enemy’s technique.Kiriotoshicontinues to Menor through to Chudan(Kissakiat the enemy’s Nodo). www.knbk.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/OHIR-1.pdf
To say "dropping cut" is not an entirely accurate translation. It is better to say "cutting down". You are felling the attack as you would a tree. Then the attack falls like dead wood-shinidachi.
@@nickaschenbecker9882 I agree with you. Thank you.
hm.. In a jikeiko situation "wait for the attack to initiate" is a no go, unless the opponent is slow and or you have reflex of a god, I had been trying to learn this for a while, kendo strikes are too fast for this technique to work if you just stand there and wait for it, you must initiate to force/trick/invite your opponent to cut down your center line first, then you perform the kiriotoshi.
@@huihshen for shiai, sure. But for a lifetime, this wisdom is priceless!
Thanks for posting - this is great!
Nice work getting this up so quick, Mr B
Thank you!
The first understandable Kiri-Otoshi advise!
Perfect Video!
Awesome video!
So interesting!
Itto-ryu Kenjutsu technique.
I am not sure if understood this technique correctly, but it seems like you will have better chance if you are taller since you push down your opponents Shinai...right?
Some subtitles would be really nice :)
Is it about timing matters? Same technique but who the fastest is winning
Timing, yes, but not sheer speed. It is a tightly constrained technique that displaces their point and their cutting path with your shinogi (the ridge where the flat meets the angled surface that leads to the edge). Because your movement is smaller but firm and controlled, starting your cut later isn’t a particular speed problem [so long as you successfully draw out their attack and know how to read its arrival early enough].
The move has to be proactive, not reactive: trying too hard to respond to the visual cue of their cut will mean that you take too long, delaying your own cut. This is especially important with shinai, because they are naturally fast in the hands of any kendoka.
I hope this helps!
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nice lecture even for me japanese.
simple, block with shinai Tsuba and hit. what a secret.
Amoral u dont use the tsuba. Its not blocking - its hitting in perfect timing with tenouchi earlier than your opponent. Its not a secret but needs lot of practice.
There's always a smartass...
@@mylander666 I think probably not blocking but redirecting the opponents Shinai, (maybe, I quite not understand the techique..) and as far the timing goes, I think the person who does kiri otoshi is the one who strikes later (because you put your Shinai above his)...but I could be wrong.. I do agree about the practice though :)
simple, block with shinai Tsuba and hit. what a secret.
you do not blocking, you are cuting through the hit of the opponent.
That is not what is happening. It is not a block, it's a slide/redirection, if you are getting hit in the tsuba, you are not doing the technique. Most importantly: it is not after the opponent has hit, it is in the same time, not two separate movements.
I think, if you block it with tsuba, so your movement is late. By overriding opponent's sword (displacing it with the Shinogi) is better practice.