Your channel is incredible and teaching me so much about Dorico in the way that I want to use it (taking advantage of my many VSTi's in creative ways!). I'm honestly learning more from you than Dorico's own channel, but don't tell them I said that ;) I have a request for some future videos on a similar topic! 1 - Advanced Expression Maps (deeper dive into differences between base and add-ons, and all the other complicated options available); and also more on combining articulations if the library does support this, or if you have a kontakt instrument and wish to double up if possible (combining shorts & longs etc). And 2 - Percussion Maps! They're really a head-scratcher for me, but I'd love to figure out how to use some of my alternative percussion libraries which use articulations normally unavailable. For example I want to use scraped percussion, bowed percussion, and various techniques like rubs, swarms, brushes, superballs. I have libraries with all these samples available and more, but I have no idea how to invoke them using the percussion maps. I tried setting something up following the same principles you taught here for a scraped cymbal library, but it doesn't seem to work the same way. So I'd love to learn more about that. Thanks for the amazing content, it's really changing everything for my workflow!
Thank you so much! One of the reasons I’m on RUclips is to connect with people that do what I do. I’m really glad to hear that my videos are helpful! Thanks for your topic suggestions, too. I did a video a couple of months ago on the add-ons, but not combined articulations - nice suggestion! But, percussion maps are pretty confusing, right? I’ll work out a good tutorial on that one, too. I’ll do these topics in the next couple of weeks :)
@@musicchefpro awesome, thank you for sharing the add-ons video. Yes percussion maps are very confusing. I started building one for CinePerc cymbal scrapes, and I was able to get a few working, but then I realized they have different sized cymbals in the same patch. So now I'm at a juncture trying to figure out if I should turn it into a "kit" of cymbals, and how to notate this, so they could use the same playback technique labels (such as simply "scrape") but I could then just swap for different sizes. Anyway this is really just scratching the surface of the complexity with percussion maps I've encountered - food for thought maybe when it comes to working on a tutorial for it. I'd love to hear what solutions you have for us! :)
Could you also please make a video about playback options overrides and conditions part of expression maps? Also, instead of key switch, could you slow some examples of using CC to trigger different articulations? Many thanks.
I will do a video on this. But, essentially we can use the note off keyswitches to trigger the "end note" key switches available (for example) in NI Session Guitarist series. The library would need to have an "end note" key switch to do this.
What is the importance of expression maps? I use noteperformer, so I've never messed with expression maps. Is there any reason to create your own? What's your experience/opinion on noteperformer? I am interested in learning how to use Cubase, but it seems like it is difficult to transfer music between dorico and cubase. All of my composing has been in dorico thus far. Except a few pieces that I started in garageband. Do you think it's beneficial to learn how to use cubase?
Hey there, thanks for your message. I’ve been traveling - but here’s my perspective… expression maps are the key to controlling how your virtual instruments sound. Experienced composers want their notation to be rendered accurately and expression maps are the key to controlling that. I don’t use noteperformer, but I get the impression that it’s a useful tool for those who prefer it. If you work in Dorico, I think Cubase will be the easiest transfer available. But, it’s true that the transfer is not always super-easy. Cubase (or any DAW) is only necessary if you need features like audio files, advanced mixing, bussing or host automation (to name a few). Cubase is also superior for writing to specific edit points in film and TV.
Yes, I do! In fact it's one of my favorite features. When I export MIDI from a Dorico project, the MIDI notes are even exported with the negative compensation delays printed into the MIDI timing. This could be a good thing or a bad thing depending on your workflow, but I love it :)
@@musicchefpro that's great. Does this feature have conditions? For example, there is a different millisecond delay for various legato speeds in the Cinematic Studio series. Can you set it up for different millisecond delay depending on note duration?
Well, in a Dorico expression map there is only one neg. delay value per articulation. But, you can choose to add multiple articulations (e.g. multiple legato playing techniques). You can set it up to handle that kind of flexibility if needed. It can be tedious, but I still think Dorico offers the most flexible system of anyone out there...
Is there any way of automaticly placing "Arco" (bowed) right after putting "Pizz"? The thing is, it does play the pizz in between the carrets, but in real world we know that the strings players won't switch back to Arco, unless it's specified on the score. Ok, I know I can manually put it on after everytime I put pizz, but that would be nce if Dorico could understand that right after the carrets the player should go back to the default technique.
Well, there’s no way that I know of to place ‘arco’ after ‘pizz’. But, you can find ‘pizz’ in the Playback Techniques dialog and change it from Direction to Attribute. When a Playback Technique is set to ‘Attribute’, you can use the key command Shift+Option and the left/right arrows to designate the range that the playing technique has influence. I do this… Essentially, it forces me to explicitly tell Dorico which notes I want to be ‘pizz’. I’d recommend that approach if you want to have precise control. But, putting in ‘arco’ is probably the same difference :)
I shall come back to this, it's an excellent clip. However, at ca. 5:59 you say you want to have the playing technique "sul tasto" and explain that this was bowing closer to the brigde - which is, sorry, wrong: the italian word for bridge is "ponte", while "tasto" signifies the finger board. The sound you get in your clip is clearly the one achieved by playing closer to the bridge, so "sul ponte" would be correct. (Playing sul ponte gives you a weaker fundamental, but more harmonics, resulting in a "sharp" sound, while playing "sul tasto" weakens the harmonics and strengthens the fundamental frequency of the note.) This just to avoid confusion. I hope that the maker of your "Stradivari Cello" didn't cause that mix up. 😊
Thanks for your comment - and sorry for the mistake about sul ponte. I probably got confused, but I appreciate you bringing it to my attention. I often prep some points before I livestream and since I’m not scripted, I can trip myself up and make this kind of error. Thanks for watching :)
Forgot to mention I am using Dorico Elements 5... I need some help with a couple of related items. First, I find that I don't need or want the key switch to be held down all the time when working with HALion libraries. Maybe it's not hurting anything, but my instrument key switches are designed to be latching once pressed. So, is it necessary or possible to unlatch the keyswitch closures with the Expression map programming? I don't see a way to un-press a switch without pressing another key. Secondly, I also find that the Expression Map switches don't seem to match the available playing techniques, and therefore I can't seem to match them up with my instrument's techniques. I am working with a bass and a guitar library in HALion7. Thanks.
Thanks for posting! Regarding your first question - I don’t know of any feature in the expression map that can unlatch a key switch. But there is the ability to take an action on a note off MIDI message… I don’t think that helps you, though. Regarding your second question - there is a feature in Dorico Pro where you can create your own custom playing techniques. I’m not sure if this is available in Elements. That feature allows a composer to create any number of articulations that may be specific to their favorite libraries, even though they’re not included in Dorico by default.
@@musicchefpro OK. I still can't seem to connect the Expression map to any playing techniques for, say, a bass string pull or Pop as it is called. Names don't match in the playing techniques in the popover and won't control the keyswitches. Anyway... Looking at all the feature differences between Dorico Pro and Elements, turns out that is the very thing missing from Elements. ☹Unfortunately the upgrade cost seems excessive even with my 'loyalty' voucher. I mean, nearly 90% of Dorico Pro is in Elements, so I didn't figure I needed the full version. Now I wish I could have waited for the sale and not bought the Elements upgrade.
The Expression Map option moved around between different versions of Dorico. So, it wasn't always in the same menu. I'd recommend that you click the 'Help' menu at the top of your screen and type 'Expression' into the search bar. Then, you'll probably be able to find it...
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Minor point, sul tasto is bow near or over the end of the finger board; sul ponticello is bow near the bridge. Excellent video.
Thanks! I’m glad you liked the video!
So glad to have found this channel. Instant sub.
Awesome, thank you!
Your channel is incredible and teaching me so much about Dorico in the way that I want to use it (taking advantage of my many VSTi's in creative ways!). I'm honestly learning more from you than Dorico's own channel, but don't tell them I said that ;)
I have a request for some future videos on a similar topic!
1 - Advanced Expression Maps (deeper dive into differences between base and add-ons, and all the other complicated options available); and also more on combining articulations if the library does support this, or if you have a kontakt instrument and wish to double up if possible (combining shorts & longs etc).
And 2 - Percussion Maps! They're really a head-scratcher for me, but I'd love to figure out how to use some of my alternative percussion libraries which use articulations normally unavailable. For example I want to use scraped percussion, bowed percussion, and various techniques like rubs, swarms, brushes, superballs. I have libraries with all these samples available and more, but I have no idea how to invoke them using the percussion maps. I tried setting something up following the same principles you taught here for a scraped cymbal library, but it doesn't seem to work the same way. So I'd love to learn more about that.
Thanks for the amazing content, it's really changing everything for my workflow!
Thank you so much! One of the reasons I’m on RUclips is to connect with people that do what I do. I’m really glad to hear that my videos are helpful! Thanks for your topic suggestions, too. I did a video a couple of months ago on the add-ons, but not combined articulations - nice suggestion! But, percussion maps are pretty confusing, right? I’ll work out a good tutorial on that one, too. I’ll do these topics in the next couple of weeks :)
Here’s my video about Add-ons: Dorico Hybrid Scoring - Expression Map Add-Ons & Conditions
ruclips.net/user/livePRfQ2qziUgo
@@musicchefpro awesome, thank you for sharing the add-ons video. Yes percussion maps are very confusing. I started building one for CinePerc cymbal scrapes, and I was able to get a few working, but then I realized they have different sized cymbals in the same patch. So now I'm at a juncture trying to figure out if I should turn it into a "kit" of cymbals, and how to notate this, so they could use the same playback technique labels (such as simply "scrape") but I could then just swap for different sizes. Anyway this is really just scratching the surface of the complexity with percussion maps I've encountered - food for thought maybe when it comes to working on a tutorial for it. I'd love to hear what solutions you have for us! :)
couldnt agree more.
Could you also please make a video about playback options overrides and conditions part of expression maps? Also, instead of key switch, could you slow some examples of using CC to trigger different articulations? Many thanks.
Will do! Thanks for suggesting this, its a great idea :)
Excellent!
Many thanks!
I'd love to see how you can make Dorico perform the guitar slap effect you mentioned.
I will do a video on this. But, essentially we can use the note off keyswitches to trigger the "end note" key switches available (for example) in NI Session Guitarist series. The library would need to have an "end note" key switch to do this.
What is the importance of expression maps? I use noteperformer, so I've never messed with expression maps. Is there any reason to create your own? What's your experience/opinion on noteperformer? I am interested in learning how to use Cubase, but it seems like it is difficult to transfer music between dorico and cubase. All of my composing has been in dorico thus far. Except a few pieces that I started in garageband. Do you think it's beneficial to learn how to use cubase?
Hey there, thanks for your message. I’ve been traveling - but here’s my perspective… expression maps are the key to controlling how your virtual instruments sound. Experienced composers want their notation to be rendered accurately and expression maps are the key to controlling that.
I don’t use noteperformer, but I get the impression that it’s a useful tool for those who prefer it. If you work in Dorico, I think Cubase will be the easiest transfer available. But, it’s true that the transfer is not always super-easy. Cubase (or any DAW) is only necessary if you need features like audio files, advanced mixing, bussing or host automation (to name a few). Cubase is also superior for writing to specific edit points in film and TV.
Great video. I understand Dorico 5 has milliseconds compensation per articulation feàture. Do you use it?
Thx
Yes, I do! In fact it's one of my favorite features. When I export MIDI from a Dorico project, the MIDI notes are even exported with the negative compensation delays printed into the MIDI timing. This could be a good thing or a bad thing depending on your workflow, but I love it :)
@@musicchefpro that's great. Does this feature have conditions? For example, there is a different millisecond delay for various legato speeds in the Cinematic Studio series. Can you set it up for different millisecond delay depending on note duration?
Well, in a Dorico expression map there is only one neg. delay value per articulation. But, you can choose to add multiple articulations (e.g. multiple legato playing techniques). You can set it up to handle that kind of flexibility if needed. It can be tedious, but I still think Dorico offers the most flexible system of anyone out there...
@@musicchefpro 🙏
Is there any way of automaticly placing "Arco" (bowed) right after putting "Pizz"?
The thing is, it does play the pizz in between the carrets, but in real world we know that the strings players won't switch back to Arco, unless it's specified on the score.
Ok, I know I can manually put it on after everytime I put pizz, but that would be nce if Dorico could understand that right after the carrets the player should go back to the default technique.
Well, there’s no way that I know of to place ‘arco’ after ‘pizz’. But, you can find ‘pizz’ in the Playback Techniques dialog and change it from Direction to Attribute. When a Playback Technique is set to ‘Attribute’, you can use the key command Shift+Option and the left/right arrows to designate the range that the playing technique has influence. I do this… Essentially, it forces me to explicitly tell Dorico which notes I want to be ‘pizz’. I’d recommend that approach if you want to have precise control. But, putting in ‘arco’ is probably the same difference :)
I shall come back to this, it's an excellent clip.
However, at ca. 5:59 you say you want to have the playing technique "sul tasto" and explain that this was bowing closer to the brigde - which is, sorry, wrong: the italian word for bridge is "ponte", while "tasto" signifies the finger board.
The sound you get in your clip is clearly the one achieved by playing closer to the bridge, so "sul ponte" would be correct. (Playing sul ponte gives you a weaker fundamental, but more harmonics, resulting in a "sharp" sound, while playing "sul tasto" weakens the harmonics and strengthens the fundamental frequency of the note.)
This just to avoid confusion. I hope that the maker of your "Stradivari Cello" didn't cause that mix up. 😊
Thanks for your comment - and sorry for the mistake about sul ponte. I probably got confused, but I appreciate you bringing it to my attention. I often prep some points before I livestream and since I’m not scripted, I can trip myself up and make this kind of error. Thanks for watching :)
True! But I have only seen it written "sul ponticello", not "sul ponte".
Forgot to mention I am using Dorico Elements 5...
I need some help with a couple of related items. First, I find that I don't need or want the key switch to be held down all the time when working with HALion libraries. Maybe it's not hurting anything, but my instrument key switches are designed to be latching once pressed. So, is it necessary or possible to unlatch the keyswitch closures with the Expression map programming? I don't see a way to un-press a switch without pressing another key.
Secondly, I also find that the Expression Map switches don't seem to match the available playing techniques, and therefore I can't seem to match them up with my instrument's techniques. I am working with a bass and a guitar library in HALion7.
Thanks.
Thanks for posting! Regarding your first question - I don’t know of any feature in the expression map that can unlatch a key switch. But there is the ability to take an action on a note off MIDI message… I don’t think that helps you, though.
Regarding your second question - there is a feature in Dorico Pro where you can create your own custom playing techniques. I’m not sure if this is available in Elements. That feature allows a composer to create any number of articulations that may be specific to their favorite libraries, even though they’re not included in Dorico by default.
@@musicchefpro OK. I still can't seem to connect the Expression map to any playing techniques for, say, a bass string pull or Pop as it is called. Names don't match in the playing techniques in the popover and won't control the keyswitches. Anyway...
Looking at all the feature differences between Dorico Pro and Elements, turns out that is the very thing missing from Elements. ☹Unfortunately the upgrade cost seems excessive even with my 'loyalty' voucher. I mean, nearly 90% of Dorico Pro is in Elements, so I didn't figure I needed the full version. Now I wish I could have waited for the sale and not bought the Elements upgrade.
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No "Expression map" in "Window" menu. Where is finally expression map? I dont see anywhere....
The Expression Map option moved around between different versions of Dorico. So, it wasn't always in the same menu. I'd recommend that you click the 'Help' menu at the top of your screen and type 'Expression' into the search bar. Then, you'll probably be able to find it...
@@musicchefpro Thanx. I finally find this option via help menu.
I don't have an Instruments option in the menu.
I believe the Instruments option was implemented in version 5. What version do you have?