Sounds Helen Ziller feels threatened by The PA does she want to keep neglecting nd leaving the Coloureds out. Does she not want fairness also for the Coloureds nd all Rainbow Nation. Coloureds too need to be included in tge scholarships programmes. It should nt be about controle but fairness nd unity for All
What Zilla needs to learn is that PA was voted in. Similarity between her and Zuma is that they think all the votes belong to them. Ego dictates what they think.
PA showed us how not to run a town. They just lost 2 seats to the DA in this weeks by-elections. People are waking up to what the PA really stands for.
Don't know where you got that, but it's definitely not accurate. It's true that PA gives DA sleepless nights, but in no way is the Zille friends with Zuma. And I'm sure after Zuma's so called "state of the nation" adress, less likely so.
It's not the PA per say she is bitter and see Geyton as her biggest threat..they took her votes..problem in disguise..she must be disciplined..totally out of order..exclude DA..other parties will make up more than 51percent..
DA stop being a bully do it in your party but in GNU hold your horses mam don't make people look at DA in a bed way as difficult to work with it's not an partied era this one please show some love and respect for black people🎉❤🎉❤🎉❤🎉❤😂❤
@@brendakruger2597she does speak "down" on other parties in a rather jarring way. Her style does not befit a Government of National Unity. She still speaks as if she is the main opposition party.
Yes it's not going to be easy but they are different parties but it's not about them but the country,I'm praying for the President to be firm in appointing people and not be easily swayed by anyone🎉❤🎉❤🎉❤🎉❤
Helen thinks she's in control of the GNU not at all and all the parties are welcomed what is it that she is afraid of in PA? weather she likes it or not they are people's favourite in the GNU 😂😂😂😂😂
You may be a Gate-keeper for the DA, but I don't think the ANC appointed you as theirs, as they have their own. So, you should get out of the way as you don't make the decisions here.
@@user-md4op6ko3y Absolutely! Just as it is Gayton and PA's democratic right to take part in the GNU by accepting the invitation of the executive decision - makers here, the ANC, not the DA. Got that?
Vehemently disagree with you. The recent by-elections are a reflection of poor governance in Beaufort West and Laingsburg by the PA...empty promises!! They should not be included in the GNU!!
So he's suggesting that the parties in the GNU are going to be a surprise, and if you're not happy at the end you'd just withdraw? What if the final GNU doesn't have 50+1? Because parties might just withdraw at the end of this process if they don't agree with the make-up of the GNU.
Why does the media in the majority only provide a one side. Why did they not have a DA representation on the program. And in the future have the other party that are being discussed in absentia (MK and EFF) to at least be able to defend themselves. One sided reporting is poor journalism and we should not accept midiocrity.
For me the GNU was created to protect certain Parties why? Why did we vote if they can't be opened to all South Africans and AIR their disagreements because after all as a Citizen we have voted as South Africans for CHANGE.
@@didilekayfinest_onyinye8585 Think. MK doesnt want to be part of it because of Ramaphosa. Zuma has a grudge because he allowed Zuma to go to jail. Ramaphosa is the president, so hes not going anywhere soon. Plus, all of a sudden Zuma want to our constitution and bring back monarchy. There's a reason why there's no more kings and queens who have all the power. It won't work in a modern world.
Zille speak something had deal with ANC and i trust her bcz I can't remember hide here side when doesn't like you so is better a person like that or not pretending
Why afraid of the GNU? People must know how things must work, but now people wants to hide it from us the voters. Helen is open and true towards us the voters.
And your DA doesn't care about positions? Stop being a hypocrite, what are a political party's main objective? To get into power or somewhat of a authoritarian position to somewhat implement their policies am I right? You people are just plain racist man, over 300 000 people voted for this party...
Listening to this conversation I can not help in thinking that the very word “arrogance” is reflecting the PA leader’s language. Previous conversations with him did not give me confidence that he can be trusted given his own track record. He might be the weakest link in the GNU as he is also very egoistic . Just saying …
Ek verstaan jou pyne Sadie. Jy gaan nog baie lank n suurgat wees ou maat, want Gayton gaan nooit minder geld as jy het. Jy sal daai bitter pil maar net moet sluk mater. Al ontken jy dit ook hoe, dit is eintlik die bron van jou pyne vir Gayton. Terwyl hy die honde loslaat, begin al meer van julle wit mense tjank soos honde wat brandsiek het. Gaan veearts toe.! Netnou besmet jy die goeie honde.
Was it not the PA who joined the EFF in Knysna causing total collapse of the the municipality? Honestly. Our country is falling apart. Fighting like this to be in power is waisting time on the real existing social problems. Our people/citizens should just ignore these politicians, role up our sleeves and start working together in keeping our services in tact. Each town should role up their sleeves and then be in competition with one another for the best run town and province in the country. Those towns then receives prizes shared amongst all the citizens living there. It is ludicrous for any party to be the cause of a towns total collapse. Would a father do this to his children?
I trust Gayton more than trusting DA are they not the same party that formed the moonshot to make sure to get ANC out of power whereas Gayton publicly said he will work with anybody even the AWB
If we have as a country has made it here after so much of debate and noise I think all the parties shuold now concentrate on getting our country to work and that means you all working together for the benefit of our country, it's as simple as that let's agree to disagree our country and the future of our children are supposed to be our priorities
Small parties trying to be relevant. Your party has no bearing on the ANC/DA/IFP agreements signed. You have 2.09% of the votes and want a ministerial post😂😂. Small parties have a history of jumping around as in Johannesburg
I think we need to be privy to the contract that the DA and ANC signed as part of the GNU. If ANC is going against the contract that what will they do in the future.They dont have majority so they need to abide by the rules
So effectively Charles just diagnosed Helen of some psychosis: ( This is not a big issue, its only a problem in Helen's mind, but it has no impact on the world we live in)? I am sure we shall hear from Helen shortly, unless the real political leader of the DA, steenhuisen reigns her in😊
Was it not the PA who joined the EFF in Knysna causing total collapse of the the municipality? Honestly. Our country is falling apart. Fighting like this to be in power is waisting time on the real existing social problems. Our people/citizens should just ignore these politicians, role up our sleeves and start working together in keeping our services in tact. Each town should role up their sleeves and then be in competition with one another for the best run town and province in the country. Those towns then receives prizes shared amongst all the citizens living there. It is ludicrous for any party to be the cause of a towns total collapse. Would a father do this to his children?
Just like when his leader Mr McKenzie put his ego aside when he said that he only would join the GNU if he gets a ministerial post??? That was definitely not arrogant of him.🙄
Tell me quickly how would Gayton put his promise to his supporters in motion if hes not hoping for ministerial position? How would he do anything without sufficient power or authority?
Halen, the Joke is on you. She quickly showed her true colours or intent way too early 😂😂 my hope was that she will try to fight corruption and not attempt to be so controlling.
They Are Tsotsi.Youre gonna feel the competence now NOT your usual decay,incompetence and Decay.WHETHER YOU like it or NoT.Comprende? Probably not.😂@@Tinker8531
EFF and or MK kept out of it cause ANC can still form a governent with EFF and PA or some small parties or ANC and MK alone meaning DA and Company have no hold on ANC or anyone else.
Sounds a bit silly though, because if the EFF decides to join the DA will leave. The DA and ANC, after all we're the only parties to sign the original statement of intent before the speaker was choses. The rest only agree to abide by the statement of intent afterwards. Seems logical the DA and ANC should be consulted according to this document's text. Anyway, what do we expect the PA guy to say? He's obviously acting in his own interest.
She doesn't like the PA you voted against the DA when you were in a coalition together, PA should at least be honest and have some shame... PA ego should deflat they a small party and stop causing this division
the is no problem with DA you blacks you should not comment is better for you blacks to keep quiet an movie on with this crisis you hv cause this injuries
Sounds Helen Ziller feels threatened by The PA does she want to keep neglecting nd leaving the Coloureds out. Does she not want fairness also for the Coloureds nd all Rainbow Nation. Coloureds too need to be included in tge scholarships programmes. It should nt be about controle but fairness nd unity for All
I like Charles, PA’s attitude has been pleasant
Charlse started the party. Gayton is the coloured man that is a front most probably.
Helen is being silly to have said what she said she needs to change her attitude towards PA they have the rites to be part of the government
What Zilla needs to learn is that PA was voted in. Similarity between her and Zuma is that they think all the votes belong to them. Ego dictates what they think.
The agreement was signed and PA can't say what must or must not be in a document when they are not part of it
@@cheznone9296 Zilla is an intelligent woman. She just needs to keep quiet.
The PA joined the GNU before DA joined. If I am correct DA only signed up on the day of the first parlement sitting.
Perhaps it's time for Helen to go.
She's a Sassa gang, retirement is long overdue😂😂😂.
Helen is better than convicted criminal and xenophobe mckenzie,
It's about time ! she should have been gone 5 years ago.
Helen is a very capable person and very astute, the type of person this country needs at this moment
@@squibspthat's not true Helen still has that apartheid mentality very bossy it's either her way or the highway
IF THERE WAS NO AGREEMENT SIGHNED BY THE DA AND ANC THEN I AGREE...BUT THEY SIGHNED A AGREEMENT!!..THATS THE DIFFERENCE...
I love the simplicity of the PA
Helen is within her rights to not want to go with the PA they declared war on the DA prior to the elections
What rights may I remind you she is not the majority party and secondly she speaks like that of a boss mentality
@@annebantam2562 never underestimate the power of a women she is the boss and is the pivot of the DA like it or lump it
Helen is scared of pa double crossed people of Capetown look who is in parliament
Charles Cilliers is my new favourite person
Did you vote for him ? Just a thought ....
She should be voted out as early as possible without any delay
Well, without DA, these small parties don't have the numbers to prevent a VONC.
It’s a signed deal. Now do you say that clause isn’t applicable yet
GNU needs the PA party! PA showed the DA a thing or two in the Cape, Helen is threatened by Gayton, maybe it is time for her to go
They do not need any other party
DA and ANC already have 60%
PA should be isolated for their tacist, xenophobic and criminal rhetoric
PA showed us how not to run a town.
They just lost 2 seats to the DA in this weeks by-elections.
People are waking up to what the PA really stands for.
Helen will laugh at how much an idiot power hungry Gayton is remember they declared war on the DA prior to elections
PA are hungry for power and that is it. They said themselves they know nothing of running a country … THE DA KNOWS HOW TO!!
Why is Helen Zille more opposed to the PA than even the EFF or the MKP? She is even buddy-buddy with Zuma himself!
PA is their most dangerous party in the WC
Don't know where you got that, but it's definitely not accurate. It's true that PA gives DA sleepless nights, but in no way is the Zille friends with Zuma. And I'm sure after Zuma's so called "state of the nation" adress, less likely so.
It's not the PA per say she is bitter and see Geyton as her biggest threat..they took her votes..problem in disguise..she must be disciplined..totally out of order..exclude DA..other parties will make up more than 51percent..
White arrogance..she must be excluded
Glory Hunter. Has a hard on for anyone with the numbers.
DA stop being a bully do it in your party but in GNU hold your horses mam don't make people look at DA in a bed way as difficult to work with it's not an partied era this one please show some love and respect for black people🎉❤🎉❤🎉❤🎉❤😂❤
This has got nothing to do with black people
@@brendakruger2597she does speak "down" on other parties in a rather jarring way. Her style does not befit a Government of National Unity. She still speaks as if she is the main opposition party.
There's this new syndrome called LOOKING DOWN ON OTHER PARTIES.
Yes it's not going to be easy but they are different parties but it's not about them but the country,I'm praying for the President to be firm in appointing people and not be easily swayed by anyone🎉❤🎉❤🎉❤🎉❤
Helen please your ego .... voters dont need your arrogance please....viva PA 💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚
Hi I'm not pa supporter but I agree this is for our country not their issue
Also both parties must find peace
we meed UNITY..... Why are you stirring Media
Immaturity and everything he is accusing Helen and the DA off...
Helen and the DA has a history of arrogance.
If these political parties are for citizens best interests why other parties are being discriminated. This is completely racist
Helen thinks she's in control of the GNU not at all and all the parties are welcomed what is it that she is afraid of in PA? weather she likes it or not they are people's favourite in the GNU 😂😂😂😂😂
Some ANC member think they are in charge. Da what to be included in the discussion
I agree with Charles
Gayton youre not welcome read the clause clearly the ANC and DA hold the power
You may be a Gate-keeper for the DA, but I don't think the ANC appointed you as theirs, as they have their own. So, you should get out of the way as you don't make the decisions here.
@@infoBot7Vidhrm this is a Democracy I can express my opinion all I want
@@user-md4op6ko3y Absolutely! Just as it is Gayton and PA's democratic right to take part in the GNU by accepting the invitation of the executive decision - makers here, the ANC, not the DA. Got that?
Helen is so anti-democratic and terribly unconstitutional
Helen renew your mind... its not about you, never was and never will be.....its about whats best for South Africans
Vehemently disagree with you. The recent by-elections are a reflection of poor governance in Beaufort West and Laingsburg by the PA...empty promises!! They should not be included in the GNU!!
The PA will probably leave the GNU once they don't get the positions that they demand.
NOT SO. Watch this space.
If Gayton McKenzie says the PA will leave then you can bet your life on it..
@@ralphsmith2739 That flip floppers word cannot be trusted.
@@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ub Jealousy makes you nasty!!!😄😄😄
@@ralphsmith2739 Jealous of a flip flopper ?
Nah , don't think so.
Other parties can learn a lot from this man.
Is Gayton just a front for a white man who started the party.
@berniceclassen4531 get facts straight Gayton started this party what white man are you referring to
The ANC needs to let Zille go and let John Steenhuizen speaks. No need to have an old mamma who wanna dictate
There is something odd here. The president must form the cabinet before the coalition agreement is finalised. Did i hear this correctly?
So he's suggesting that the parties in the GNU are going to be a surprise, and if you're not happy at the end you'd just withdraw? What if the final GNU doesn't have 50+1? Because parties might just withdraw at the end of this process if they don't agree with the make-up of the GNU.
everyone please just ignore this common sense and logic being spewed here. thanks
Will be a plus. Re-vote.
Now Helen is the one who is running our country??
Yes, She should ran it,
@@jameskillu9171 that granny must go to a retirement home
@@jameskillu9171hi wena you again in south africans issues go have your say there in Zimbabwe
Glory by proxy. Steenhuisen her lap dog.
Just have the discussion. And allow them in. Come on the parties want inclusion
Why does the media in the majority only provide a one side. Why did they not have a DA representation on the program. And in the future have the other party that are being discussed in absentia (MK and EFF) to at least be able to defend themselves. One sided reporting is poor journalism and we should not accept midiocrity.
UNITY UNITY THE MORE PARTIES THE LESS CORRUPTION
For me the GNU was created to protect certain Parties why? Why did we vote if they can't be opened to all South Africans and AIR their disagreements because after all as a Citizen we have voted as South Africans for CHANGE.
ANC must consider MK if DA doesn't want to cooperate
Nope. Nope. Nope
@dawidmare7383 yes...yes...yes
@@didilekayfinest_onyinye8585 Think. MK doesnt want to be part of it because of Ramaphosa. Zuma has a grudge because he allowed Zuma to go to jail. Ramaphosa is the president, so hes not going anywhere soon. Plus, all of a sudden Zuma want to our constitution and bring back monarchy. There's a reason why there's no more kings and queens who have all the power. It won't work in a modern world.
@@dawidmare7383 what has the so called Morden presidents done for us?
Are you serious! Go play in the traffic!
Yes it's too early to talk about that glow
Zille speak something had deal with ANC and i trust her bcz I can't remember hide here side when doesn't like you so is better a person like that or not pretending
Zille so mal soos n haas moet loop rus en hopelik n beter hairstyle kry genade wie wil nou soos liewe heksie rondloop 😂😂😂
😂
😂😂😂@@jeremiahwilliams394
Dis nie haar hare nie. Dis mos a wig man.
Why afraid of the GNU? People must know how things must work, but now people wants to hide it from us the voters. Helen is open and true towards us the voters.
PA only care about getting positions Gayton already said he will leave if he doesn’t get minister position
And your DA doesn't care about positions? Stop being a hypocrite, what are a political party's main objective? To get into power or somewhat of a authoritarian position to somewhat implement their policies am I right? You people are just plain racist man, over 300 000 people voted for this party...
Listening to this conversation I can not help in thinking that the very word “arrogance” is reflecting the PA leader’s language. Previous conversations with him did not give me confidence that he can be trusted given his own track record. He might be the weakest link in the GNU as he is also very egoistic . Just saying …
The PA leader is McKensey. We need him in government.
Ek verstaan jou pyne Sadie. Jy gaan nog baie lank n suurgat wees ou maat, want Gayton gaan nooit minder geld as jy het. Jy sal daai bitter pil maar net moet sluk mater. Al ontken jy dit ook hoe, dit is eintlik die bron van jou pyne vir Gayton. Terwyl hy die honde loslaat, begin al meer van julle wit mense tjank soos honde wat brandsiek het. Gaan veearts toe.! Netnou besmet jy die goeie honde.
Was it not the PA who joined the EFF in Knysna causing total collapse of the the municipality? Honestly. Our country is falling apart. Fighting like this to be in power is waisting time on the real existing social problems. Our people/citizens should just ignore these politicians, role up our sleeves and start working together in keeping our services in tact. Each town should role up their sleeves and then be in competition with one another for the best run town and province in the country. Those towns then receives prizes shared amongst all the citizens living there. It is ludicrous for any party to be the cause of a towns total collapse. Would a father do this to his children?
I trust Gayton more than trusting DA are they not the same party that formed the moonshot to make sure to get ANC out of power whereas Gayton publicly said he will work with anybody even the AWB
Gayton is utterly arrogant and overzealous I wouldn't work with the McKenzie character😮
They'll have to debate about the claus. ❤️✌️🇿🇦
If we have as a country has made it here after so much of debate and noise I think all the parties shuold now concentrate on getting our country to work and that means you all working together for the benefit of our country, it's as simple as that let's agree to disagree our country and the future of our children are supposed to be our priorities
This will be Interesting if eff and MK can join.
Small parties trying to be relevant. Your party has no bearing on the ANC/DA/IFP agreements signed. You have 2.09% of the votes and want a ministerial post😂😂. Small parties have a history of jumping around as in Johannesburg
Maybe you forgot what David did to Goliath.
Helen Zille misinterpreted the clause 24 ,but is trying to use it to her advantage......her advantage.
I think we need to be privy to the contract that the DA and ANC signed as part of the GNU.
If ANC is going against the contract that what will they do in the future.They dont have majority so they need to abide by the rules
So effectively Charles just diagnosed Helen of some psychosis: ( This is not a big issue, its only a problem in Helen's mind, but it has no impact on the world we live in)?
I am sure we shall hear from Helen shortly, unless the real political leader of the DA, steenhuisen reigns her in😊
Pray tell, how? You’ve seen what happens to salt in humidity? John is the same when she is in the room with him.
Eff and mkp must not let voters down and join gnu helen has no say she can say in da
Let them force so DA and Company leave for the best
This GNU will fail hear my words.
Was it not the PA who joined the EFF in Knysna causing total collapse of the the municipality? Honestly. Our country is falling apart. Fighting like this to be in power is waisting time on the real existing social problems. Our people/citizens should just ignore these politicians, role up our sleeves and start working together in keeping our services in tact. Each town should role up their sleeves and then be in competition with one another for the best run town and province in the country. Those towns then receives prizes shared amongst all the citizens living there. It is ludicrous for any party to be the cause of a towns total collapse. Would a father do this to his children?
PA was going to join from the start. PA and DA are on one team.
PA and DA are already working together.
❤I love our rainbow party equality for all south africans I love you guy's spread the love of Jesus even amongst our enemies
Just like when his leader Mr McKenzie put his ego aside when he said that he only would join the GNU if he gets a ministerial post??? That was definitely not arrogant of him.🙄
Tell me quickly how would Gayton put his promise to his supporters in motion if hes not hoping for ministerial position? How would he do anything without sufficient power or authority?
Helen is busy throwing her weight around!
Halen, the Joke is on you. She quickly showed her true colours or intent way too early 😂😂 my hope was that she will try to fight corruption and not attempt to be so controlling.
You don't know right from wrong go leard it
Hon.Gayton said in his speech...Hon Deputy Speaker Lottriet I vited for u wuh😂😂😂😂
convicted criminal Gayton,
Charles you are Always having "negative"remarks about Helen Zille..Stop behaving like a geek!!!!😮
Gayton is super arrogant Sir!!!
NOT MORE ARROGANT THEN HELEN ZILLE, WHO THINKS HER 20% PARTY IS IN CHARGE. .
They Are Tsotsi.Youre gonna feel the competence now NOT your usual decay,incompetence and Decay.WHETHER YOU like it or NoT.Comprende? Probably not.😂@@Tinker8531
Yes,Gayton is very Arrogant and their supporters are more uneducated 😊
MK party, PA are like " Still Born Cry babies. Another Parliament of Shenanigans.
EFF and or MK kept out of it cause ANC can still form a governent with EFF and PA or some small parties or ANC and MK alone meaning DA and Company have no hold on ANC or anyone else.
Zille I feel for her, arthritis iyamshisa nengqondo
Bunch of kids
Charles tell helen she is old she can go home oud genoeg 😮
Let's wait and see
Arrogant 😂😂😂😂
Come on, guys, think of the future 🙏 4:56
Mirror
You wrong😮 you do what you agree to if not then you all bananas with big salaries, if this must work then you do it the right way
Sounds a bit silly though, because if the EFF decides to join the DA will leave. The DA and ANC, after all we're the only parties to sign the original statement of intent before the speaker was choses. The rest only agree to abide by the statement of intent afterwards. Seems logical the DA and ANC should be consulted according to this document's text. Anyway, what do we expect the PA guy to say? He's obviously acting in his own interest.
She doesn't like the PA you voted against the DA when you were in a coalition together, PA should at least be honest and have some shame...
PA ego should deflat they a small party and stop causing this division
PA want minster position ...shame
Eff viva
the is no problem with DA you blacks you should not comment is better for you blacks to keep quiet an movie on with this crisis you hv cause this injuries
Nobody likes the PA gangsters
Karen helen 😂
Zille moet botox
X
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
PA clueless gangsters
It’s a signed deal. Now do you say that clause isn’t applicable yet