Nalo Hepwerth wakhe as he always refers to him... Naba o Former Judge President John Hlophe, former CJ Mogoeng Mogoeng, nalexoki eluw Former CJ Zondo, Former CJ Sandile Ngcobo! Yena ujaha ukphakamisa case rulings zabo Hepwerth NXA
aaaaah. Mayibabo kodwa so What a shamed to Africa. What a shame to South Africa 🇿🇦. Look at all those South African Judges…look at them very exhausted 😴. But…… but compare these judges to JUDGE JUDY. America 🇺🇸 and Europe 🇪🇺 judges can finish this case with days or weeks. This tells me that as a black human there is a lot of work to do.
So we will just write and complain here without doing anything., this judge is leading the witness, come one someone must be very powerful to assist us get our complaints to people who are in high places.
The lawyers representing the suspects knows what to do when having a complaint. They take instructions and make the necessary legal move. Is not just to wake up launch complaints and write letters to people who has no locus standi like Tefu guy did.
So in this case the integrity of the exibits was not protected. Know that the exibits were not sealed, possible tempering cannot be overruled. An exibit may have been tempered with or exchanged in the hands of the carriers. Possible corruption!
It's 1950, the state called It's witness number 1091, Colonel Mtshali........😢just how many policemen were involved in one case. We need Kelly, Longwe, Gladness to come tell us what happened to our goalkeeper.
It is unfortunate situation, because those ppl are listed in a state witness list; therefore state decides who to call. And i want to say now that state will never call them because they are vulnerable to defence they are going to break easily and state will lose the case. So listing them as state witnesses is to defend them, so that the defence could not come across them or call them as witnesses until the case is concluded.
Kelly knows ,longwe,Zandie are accomplices ,Makhumalo . Christian ,kelly and Makhums are the only people that saw last moments of Senzo's life. Allegedly
For me this guy's a guilty of murder whether the defense is trying to twist the case to suite their narratives. Ntanzi said he was at work but the state proved him wrong??Why did he lied if he is innocent??Another accused said he was not around Gauteng in 2014 and again the state proved he also lied. He wrote learners license in Brakpan using the same hostel address
Mind you guys or social media judges that the defense will always talk lies because that is their work. Even when they know the truth, they can't just come here and accept everything.... There is no smoke without fire, I think this guy's are guilty, but our police didn't conduct their work well...
Sereo are a result of nepotism in this country. How can he be an expect but cant answer questions. He is asked about pattern match he dont answer that he mentions cms. Wen queried about cms he jumps back to pattern matching
Sereo passed his matric with high levels probably distinction he obtained bachelors with Maths and physical Science if you have listened to his CV read. His got very rich CV .Ballistics envolves Maths and physical science= Ballistics.He futhered his studies with Maths and Science subjects and other science subjects. those guys are brilliant they solve for x and y
This is so disgusting the judge and the state both trying to prevent the witness to answer questions. My knowledge is that in court of law you must not be speculating you must be clear with your answer with such specific words like (yes) opposed by (no) , (i know) opposed by (i don't know) they is no i know but it's because i court of law i digress 😅
The defense expert seem to have internal forensics ballistics informant if u listen to Mnisi questioning n the answering of the witness ....they both knw what were the result 😢
Why is the judge interfering with the cruket answer. He doesn't encourage the witness to answer he is redirecting the answer. So it gives the police break the procedures? Question is,Is it ur opinion or the view held bu ballistics?
This boy's lied and the state proved to the court.. They disputed tracking record of the car. They disputed the doctors report because Ntansi said he was beaten?? Let Ratha lock them up.. They will appeal and legal aid board will say they don't have enough money to pay the defense team
I respect Baloyi for the state. He is very smart. He is not in a huury, he understand everything. The defence is trying very hard to prove the point, but Baloi is always ready👏👏👏
Mnisi is like a mighty pitbull, stubbornly latching on a bone,not easily swayed by the likes of "Judge Fakazile" and his erstwhile sidekick "sneakybaloi"!!!
THE STATE DONT HAVE A CASE HERE AND THEY LOST THE CASE LONG TIME. THE ONLY THING THEY ARE DOING IS A DELAY TACTIC PLAYED BY BALOYI. THIS PROSECUTOR IS AMBARRASSING US TOGETHER WITH THE BIASED JUDGED AND THIS POLICE WITNESSES. WE ALL KNOW THAT COOKING WAS DONE, NOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS COOKING; FRYING AND ROASTING AGAIN.
Ntansi lied for being at work remember,another suspect also lied about not being around Gauteng that the state proved that he was indeed in Gauteng and he even wrote learners license test in Brakpan using Katlegong Hostel. Why did they lie if they are innocent
I’m curious why Dave wasn’t present in court today. Mnisi might have articulated his line of questioning more clearly, especially regarding CMS vs Pattern Analysis. As things unfolded, it was hard to follow, and I’m unsure if the court fully understood. Perhaps someone could clarify what Mnisi's intentions were or why Dave was not in court today.
It was explained that the legal aid will only cover the cost when he appears in court for magena's examination. And remember this Sereo is there because of the Judge
@@Lindiemh Sure. I thought that issue was resolved because Dave has been present in court since then up until yesterday. Why was Dave suddenly not present today.
Our complain falls in deafs ear cause even the called politicians are so quite....the music industry it's also quite I wish Brenda was alive and Winnie Mandela all the greats have fallen
Sometimes i wonder if JP is happy with how Ratha is conducting himself..as a person who represents justice in the country... Even a dumb person can tell he is biased
Take your time Adv Mnisi, re-shape your mind. Adv Baloyi thinks he owns this court always raising stupid objections for a witness to elaborate when he has not been asked to elaborate. He should've made him elaborate from RSA to Dubai, it his time, no one will stop him just like no one stopped Adv Sibanda when had had Pinky Vathylingum for 2 months on the witness stand.
Oh, lastly nalamagama aloke ewasholo phansi, his sarcasm, lack 😢of respect for the defense advocates... Should have thrown this case of the roll kdala, sesyabuka nje xoz aybandla 🚮
State lost this case from the beginning but because Ratha came with a judgement already.He is now forcing things trying by all means make his higher bosses happy by fulfilling his promises allegedly
Sereo explains broadly and not answer questions not directly as asked. Don't 😂 Haaaa... ratha you are biased. You dont even hide it. Ratha let your witness answer not you. Judge / state witness rathatha.
Judge sit and listen clear sothat at the end you are going to be able to judge yoo , as if at the end you are going to end this case wrongly hawu you can't keep 🤫.
Both Mangena and Dave departed from the Forensics Lab's exhibit registration procedures. Mangena signed out a gun from a sealed box in a SAPS13 safe in Cleveland but failed to register it at the Silverton lab. Similarly, Dave transported a trunk containing over 600 guns from Marikana to Silverton without registering the individual firearms. Both actions violate the principles of tracing and preserving exhibits at the individual gun level, with Dave's breaches being more significant due to the volume of unregistered guns. The prosecution could highlight these discrepancies in argument or confront Dave during Dave's testimony.
The guns Dave transported belongs to the state and the state i presume had a list/catalogue of the guns and to which police officer had they been issued to.. the task of Dave was to match the bullet/catridge to a gun. Thats how the state got to know which police officer shot what.
@papatnyatoro I understand your point and it is fair. However, the principles of custodianship, preservation, and tracking of individual firearms in the lab remain applicable. Dave should have registered each firearm individually. Additionally, they did not seal the firearms individually because they ran out of sealable evidence bags, which is another deviation that is similar to Mangena's. Further, Mangena signed out for a gun from a sealed box, which was in the SAPS13 safe and intended for destruction.
Mnisi is a dangerous lawyer. I got to give him his flowers🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Am sorry..the law is about points..he is not working out his points
Can Ratha just become a state witness and forget about being the judge.
he is the witness now
Yooo am telling you so boring it's clear he's with the state
R VS HEPWORTH. RATHA FOR PRESIDENT
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Nalo Hepwerth wakhe as he always refers to him... Naba o Former Judge President John Hlophe, former CJ Mogoeng Mogoeng, nalexoki eluw Former CJ Zondo, Former CJ Sandile Ngcobo! Yena ujaha ukphakamisa case rulings zabo Hepwerth NXA
I will release hit song tomorrow about this biased judge . He is embarrassing in South Africa i hope the public need to complain about
😢😢😢😢😢😢those who are incarcerated during the 37yrs practice of this judge need to apply for review 😢😢😢😢😢
And Also sicela witness number ka Gogo Ratha Baloyi please
This judge has no shame disrupting adv Mnisi questioning with a useless objection 😮
Useless mnisi scored an own goal and 4:30 hours asking the samething
I believe the judge is doing all this cos his seniors are 'asking him when will this case be finalized,.
He is annoying. Protecting state witnesses with lies
aaaaah. Mayibabo kodwa so
What a shamed to Africa. What a shame to South Africa 🇿🇦. Look at all those South African Judges…look at them very exhausted 😴. But…… but compare these judges to JUDGE JUDY. America 🇺🇸 and Europe 🇪🇺 judges can finish this case with days or weeks. This tells me that as a black human there is a lot of work to do.
Corruption is at the centre of this cas 636. That's a shame to our judiciary
Instead of answering questions, he chooses to be rude. Cooking
Ratha is rude
Go to America and live there 😊
@@MasibuleleMgqantsa Khuluma namikahle.
Let’s not throw words like that. Talk like u are human. Don’t jika jika pliz
So we will just write and complain here without doing anything., this judge is leading the witness, come one someone must be very powerful to assist us get our complaints to people who are in high places.
My point exactly, we want our complaints submitted to justice minister or even police to deal with fake officers
can't wait for the defence witness
Yes please someone assist us with info please
The lawyers representing the suspects knows what to do when having a complaint. They take instructions and make the necessary legal move. Is not just to wake up launch complaints and write letters to people who has no locus standi like Tefu guy did.
The Prosecutor knows the law but mnisi is ignorant
Mnisi is on 🔥. This guy is throwing Mangena under the bus😂😅
So in this case the integrity of the exibits was not protected. Know that the exibits were not sealed, possible tempering cannot be overruled. An exibit may have been tempered with or exchanged in the hands of the carriers. Possible corruption!
Judge is a huge red flag 🚩
Sorry Baloi, if I may ask, when is Ratha gonna testify 😢😢😢😢😢🙏
Lol 🤣🤣🤣
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😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Senzo died inside the khumalo house but manje kuna 100 policeman to be witnesses
And those police men were not called during the incident 🚮
Which witness do you want apart from the police dear..yr family maybe??
That is the procedure in Court not a kangaroo court
@@RanjiniThukulukanamwe want people who were in the house with Senzo
@RanjiniThukulukanam the people who were in the house klaaar
Baboshwa nini kanti labo Gininda noMangena cos iyazisho.lento, baphambanise izibhamu ngenxa yokudukisa umkhondo
It's 1950, the state called It's witness number 1091, Colonel Mtshali........😢just how many policemen were involved in one case. We need Kelly, Longwe, Gladness to come tell us what happened to our goalkeeper.
Looks like senzo died in Police station
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It is unfortunate situation, because those ppl are listed in a state witness list; therefore state decides who to call. And i want to say now that state will never call them because they are vulnerable to defence they are going to break easily and state will lose the case. So listing them as state witnesses is to defend them, so that the defence could not come across them or call them as witnesses until the case is concluded.
😂😂😂😂😂😂@@juniormaila6712
Kelly knows ,longwe,Zandie are accomplices ,Makhumalo . Christian ,kelly and Makhums are the only people that saw last moments of Senzo's life. Allegedly
This judge seems to already have a verdict... The court process is just a formality. 😢
We don't know he refuse the recording bought in by the state. and many other trial within a trial Judgements.
For me this guy's a guilty of murder whether the defense is trying to twist the case to suite their narratives. Ntanzi said he was at work but the state proved him wrong??Why did he lied if he is innocent??Another accused said he was not around Gauteng in 2014 and again the state proved he also lied. He wrote learners license in Brakpan using the same hostel address
@@JohannesRathokolo-h3r even if they lied, the evidence (cellphone & DNA) does not link them to the crime scene. There's no case against this guys
He really assist the state lobaba
Omuphi ubaba?
Judge @@thanduxolooldjohn7132
@@thanduxolooldjohn7132ha
Rutha
Mnisi makes me understand much better this case.
Mind you guys or social media judges that the defense will always talk lies because that is their work. Even when they know the truth, they can't just come here and accept everything.... There is no smoke without fire, I think this guy's are guilty, but our police didn't conduct their work well...
Ratha Just take back the brown envelope madala and go rest in peace at home. You are embarrassing yourself we can all see you are biased. Sis
This judge guys is too understanding from the state witness more than the witness himself
Can they pls remove this judge and baloyi at the court please they have been bought.
Yooo but this judge hayiii i give up....its clear his on state side i wonder if he will behave the same with defence witnesses
Sereo are a result of nepotism in this country. How can he be an expect but cant answer questions. He is asked about pattern match he dont answer that he mentions cms. Wen queried about cms he jumps back to pattern matching
He's boring this one
Sereo passed his matric with high levels probably distinction he obtained bachelors with Maths and physical Science if you have listened to his CV read. His got very rich CV .Ballistics envolves Maths and physical science= Ballistics.He futhered his studies with Maths and Science subjects and other science subjects. those guys are brilliant they solve for x and y
Ijaaaakg he is busy elaborating nonsoooooons running away to ANSWER THE ASKHEEEEED🚩🚮🤮NO protocol was followed e straight NO 📏 needed
This is so disgusting the judge and the state both trying to prevent the witness to answer questions. My knowledge is that in court of law you must not be speculating you must be clear with your answer with such specific words like (yes) opposed by (no) , (i know) opposed by (i don't know) they is no i know but it's because i court of law i digress 😅
Simple just answer the question yes or mo
Ayikho le yaleli judge. Not even once ngilizwa licacisela u Baloyi ngokubekwa yi defence
The defense expert seem to have internal forensics ballistics informant if u listen to Mnisi questioning n the answering of the witness ....they both knw what were the result 😢
Why is the judge interfering with the cruket answer. He doesn't encourage the witness to answer he is redirecting the answer.
So it gives the police break the procedures?
Question is,Is it ur opinion or the view held bu ballistics?
4atha interferes answering for the witness
These judges are also in prison. They are feeling the taument or torture including the Lord 🧑⚖️ . I can’t watch this. This case is so long. 😅😅😅😅
Ratha must go
I like the look from Mnisi with that killer smile
hey wena ntazi uyalala lapho jou domkop ubaloyi uyeza nemebhuzo ungalale ulalele. Mina ngithi icala alekho maqondana naane bafana bam. Qinani emandleni noma ngeke niphume ngokuphazima kwes'khathi. Nizophuma 💪🏿
Ngithanda le eka 'domkop' wena bafo. Akulalwa kuyalalelwa, kushubile lapha. 😂😂😂
@@lawrencekhalishwayo4551 😁😁😁😁😁🤣
Judge Ratha is STATE witness too😮😮😮he should be removed from being da presiding judge in this case at all
Gininda, I can't wait for his testimony, to close this case..Love Gininda 🎉❤😂
This boy's lied and the state proved to the court.. They disputed tracking record of the car. They disputed the doctors report because Ntansi said he was beaten?? Let Ratha lock them up.. They will appeal and legal aid board will say they don't have enough money to pay the defense team
Ur talking nonsonso @@JohannesRathokolo-h3r
Why is Ratha assisting the witness,ngiyakweshwama lokhu
I respect Baloyi for the state. He is very smart. He is not in a huury, he understand everything. The defence is trying very hard to prove the point, but Baloi is always ready👏👏👏
In your wildest dream
Baloi is a Narcissist.
I do wonder if he has children 😢
O mbora buang o mobe o..
Mnisi is like a mighty pitbull, stubbornly latching on a bone,not easily swayed by the likes of "Judge Fakazile" and his erstwhile sidekick "sneakybaloi"!!!
@@omegakubone6826🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 fakazile 😂😂😂😂😂 am dead oo "call pastor lukau" 😁😁 before salads getting decay
Ratha supposed to seat and listen and take his notes why he interfere and support state
Ratha interfering he is not objective he is now the witnedd
That is correct court etiquette Mr Matlou...12/9/2024
This witness is using gininda's method of answering questions telling stories. He was trained very well by gininda
😂😂 the don't want to give straight answers
cwgat can be done Ratha must go this is too much
THE STATE DONT HAVE A CASE HERE AND THEY LOST THE CASE LONG TIME. THE ONLY THING THEY ARE DOING IS A DELAY TACTIC PLAYED BY BALOYI. THIS PROSECUTOR IS AMBARRASSING US TOGETHER WITH THE BIASED JUDGED AND THIS POLICE WITNESSES. WE ALL KNOW THAT COOKING WAS DONE, NOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS COOKING; FRYING AND ROASTING AGAIN.
Ntansi lied for being at work remember,another suspect also lied about not being around Gauteng that the state proved that he was indeed in Gauteng and he even wrote learners license test in Brakpan using Katlegong Hostel. Why did they lie if they are innocent
Hayi bo why this colonel fails to answer easy questions hayi bo hayi bo
Adv mnisi🎉
I’m curious why Dave wasn’t present in court today. Mnisi might have articulated his line of questioning more clearly, especially regarding CMS vs Pattern Analysis. As things unfolded, it was hard to follow, and I’m unsure if the court fully understood. Perhaps someone could clarify what Mnisi's intentions were or why Dave was not in court today.
It was explained that the legal aid will only cover the cost when he appears in court for magena's examination. And remember this Sereo is there because of the Judge
@@Lindiemh Sure. I thought that issue was resolved because Dave has been present in court since then up until yesterday. Why was Dave suddenly not present today.
They will have to clarify such things when Dave testifies, atleast Dave will be forth coming with information.
@sindiswamabunda5627 I agree. I think it will be interesting to observe the attitude of Dave, the defence and the state.
Ratha and Baloyi you are bias and what you are doing it's a Disgrace period, YOU ARE NOT FAIR AT ALL
Cooking 101 of evidence
Mnisi is 🔥🔥👌high level
No way this judge 😡😡
Yenzeni Mshengu??? 12/9/2024
What he answered is not asked. Answer the asked
Hey
Ratha a witness so biased
The interpreter in this case is "not make sure".
Our complain falls in deafs ear cause even the called politicians are so quite....the music industry it's also quite I wish Brenda was alive and Winnie Mandela all the greats have fallen
Ratha is the best judge for this job
Iminywana yezandla phezulu engathi yinkalankala
Sometimes i wonder if JP is happy with how Ratha is conducting himself..as a person who represents justice in the country... Even a dumb person can tell he is biased
Why mangena didn't use the same material to shot with the same gun instead of going for a different gun. The reasons were the bullets or were the gun?
Daddy helped Baloyi
Baloi is a shame to justice😢😢😢
Where is our interpreter? Haybo le angeke.
Judge Ratha can't wait for his official turn to take the witness box...sitting down there in that brown chair belittles him.
Boring ke manje we stuck in one shot🏌️
If I can ask who you want to be arrested?
Lo Baloyi nobubi uyanyanyisa
Mr Ratha they will hate you but do you job. Confession is there and the gun tested positive 😢
A free legal lecture by the State Advocate to the defense
Sereo please answer the asket question please?
Rathatha is closing all the loop holes
Mavhunu a ratha
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Or Ms Matlou...12/9/2024
Take your time Adv Mnisi, re-shape your mind. Adv Baloyi thinks he owns this court always raising stupid objections for a witness to elaborate when he has not been asked to elaborate. He should've made him elaborate from RSA to Dubai, it his time, no one will stop him just like no one stopped Adv Sibanda when had had Pinky Vathylingum for 2 months on the witness stand.
No the only thing is that he is rude
Ratha an his accomplices want the CONTAINER TO BE SEALED IN A SEAL BAG😂😂😂
Ratha doesn't record anything during defense cross examinations but records when the state does the same.
Why are you lying?
Judge Ratha is not in total control he seems to have a soft spot for cry baby , rude and rustic Mnisi who seems to have studied law under a tree
Oh, lastly nalamagama aloke ewasholo phansi, his sarcasm, lack 😢of respect for the defense advocates... Should have thrown this case of the roll kdala, sesyabuka nje xoz aybandla 🚮
Ratha you must be a witness you don't write when the defense question but you always on the state side but osemsamo lemphosa emnyango
Chithan lamanz,ayikho lenkukhu!
The my lords of this case all of them when you listen to them seems like they are there to protect the witnesses
14:38 mnisi got me laughing here😅😅😂😂
State lost this case from the beginning but because Ratha came with a judgement already.He is now forcing things trying by all means make his higher bosses happy by fulfilling his promises allegedly
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Danki Mnisi🎉🎉😂
Amasimba eJudge lawa nx! Isalukazi lesi👹
Ratha your not a witness your judge please
Sereo explains broadly and not answer questions not directly as asked. Don't 😂
Haaaa... ratha you are biased. You dont even hide it.
Ratha let your witness answer not you. Judge / state witness rathatha.
It is their modus operanti with kininda aviating answers at all costs
Judge sit and listen clear sothat at the end you are going to be able to judge yoo , as if at the end you are going to end this case wrongly hawu you can't keep 🤫.
2 much muthi in this court 😅😅😅
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Ratha the witness😂
Does the ballistic laboratory have a philosophy they follow
Dave is here for money😂😂😂😂😂😂
wena ukhuluma igolo nje
You must have been smoking glue shame
Your mad
If I were accused falsely and facing a possibility of a life sentence, I would still not accept the services of Mnisi. I would rather die
Excellent that would be your personal choice and your own money to save. But Advocate Mnisi's excellence speaks for itself
You don't use ur brain wena
Icala lisekhona nje
This judge 🚮
😊mnisi is on 🔥
Lol he proved the states case and we thank you😂😂😂bra Mnisi
In short, the State has dismally failed to cover-up the death of the prodigal son...🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️
Adv Mnisi was hungry there, that's why he feels drowsy 😁🍲
Both Mangena and Dave departed from the Forensics Lab's exhibit registration procedures. Mangena signed out a gun from a sealed box in a SAPS13 safe in Cleveland but failed to register it at the Silverton lab. Similarly, Dave transported a trunk containing over 600 guns from Marikana to Silverton without registering the individual firearms. Both actions violate the principles of tracing and preserving exhibits at the individual gun level, with Dave's breaches being more significant due to the volume of unregistered guns. The prosecution could highlight these discrepancies in argument or confront Dave during Dave's testimony.
The guns Dave transported belongs to the state and the state i presume had a list/catalogue of the guns and to which police officer had they been issued to.. the task of Dave was to match the bullet/catridge to a gun. Thats how the state got to know which police officer shot what.
@papatnyatoro I understand your point and it is fair. However, the principles of custodianship, preservation, and tracking of individual firearms in the lab remain applicable. Dave should have registered each firearm individually. Additionally, they did not seal the firearms individually because they ran out of sealable evidence bags, which is another deviation that is similar to Mangena's. Further, Mangena signed out for a gun from a sealed box, which was in the SAPS13 safe and intended for destruction.
It means SAPS are not following the law and protocols
Sereo must give us documentation of the general.rule for the verification period.
Where were these 600 firearms supposed to be registered according to you?
What’s this nonsense he is reading here
I wonder the truck while he failed to read CD