Something that wasn’t really mentioned in the story about Owen and his mom… she is 24. That means she was around 16 when she had him and got disowned by her parents. At that young age she had the commitment to get a job to support her son’s needs, she got him into a good school, and she clearly parents him well if Paige commented how respectful he is. She is an amazing mom, and I hope this situation didn’t make her question that!
@@user399878993 I could see this, it might be an older couple who have prejudice with the mom being a single parent and also being underage when she got pregnant. They might think they're the perfect nuclear family to raise a child and the mom doesn't fit that standard.
Imagine being in the percentile of women whose husbands don’t leave when they get cancer, and then nuking your marriage for someone you’ll never see again
@@TheZombiemofothey mean the ones who leave, divorcing for those reasons is pretty respectable but the couples stay together, but there’s a surprising amount of people who will divorce their sick partners just because they can’t be bothered caring and loving a sick person
@@TheZombiemofomedical debt is the one debt category in the US where you can't be pursued in court for payment, and you're under no obligation to pay a deceased spouse's or family members' debts unless you were co-signed on whatever contract the debt originates from. On the contrary, a lot of people in the US kill themselves to save the rest of their family from whatever debt they have been put under. Edit to clarify - most debt holders will try to pursue and convince you to pay the debt because they're fucking demons
For the story about the woman who recovered from cancer and cheated there IS another update. They're getting divorced but have to be separated for a year. Their daughter took his side, she's trying to recover the marriage but he's sticking to his guns. The house was a pre-marital asset so she has no claim.
Fffffucking GOOD! I hope the husband meets the love of his life and is able to have a happy ending. I hope the wife gets what she deserves :) AND her yes-men friends and mom.
@itsnowonder9856 I'm not sure if you've confused two stories, the daughter here is old enough to make her own choices and decisions, I think, not a baby who's less than a year old from the next story.
The third story is so heartbreaking to me. Imagine going through the motions of caring for a spouse after that diagnosis, supporting them through treatment and getting them back to a sense of normalcy then they want a hall pass??? With someone already in mind? He's stronger than me because that would crush my soul man.
Seriously, as someone who got cheated on in my last relationship that hit so hard. So glad the dude is leaving and I hope everything works out for him.
Will also say with the Owen "adoption" story. There are SO MANY kids especially over the age of five that need adoption in foster care, and this family ABSOLUTLY has the means to afford the process and care that child needs. The reason they don't want to go through the foster system is because they don't want another child that they have to put effort into raising and being there for them, they just want a kid that doesn't have trauma and will be perfect for their son. They have the means they absolutely just don't want to put the effort into actually having another kid
I'm going to also assume it's also because fostering is just to give a child a place to stay. The primary goal is to get them back with their parents (if the parents weren't neglectful, that is). There's no guarantee that the child is able to be adopted. So not only would they not want to put in the effort to raise a child that comes from a broken home, but they probably don't want to waste effort to do so if the child can't stay. Even if they wanted to do that now, they likely won't be able to considering the wife's actions.
Yeah but that's probably going to be a troubled child, they want Owen because she's already raised him to be a decent kid. So they want that happy, grateful, well behaved kid.
I will say, Parents abandoned her at 16. Owen is quite literally her ONLY family, since the scumbag who got her pregnant went no contact. and this other family wants to take Owen away? "You can visit him anytime", or until you move, or tell the police "this woman is harassing us, and bothering OUR son, we need a restraining order" Naw, she did the right thing.
shayne is SO right about the 3rd story. he has DEFINITELY been gaslighted for the entire marriage, she just got bolder now that they went through a harsher time and she thinks he wouldnt let himself 'loose' 20 years of his life. also yeah, she had cancer but he was also there, the fact that she frames it as only affecting her says a lot about how little she thinks of him.
Yeah, I don't think that's a totally new pattern but rather a continuing one given more ammunition with "the cancer card". That might sound crass and I would never view it like that in general, but in this case it really seems like a person that would use that as a "get out of jail"-free card
Yup. What gets me about that is not the fact tht she wanted to sleep around--lots of people have consensually nonmonogamous relationships--but that her framing starts at "i want this thing that was never part of our marriage before and if you don't agree then you're toxic" and moves on to "i figured you might have a hard time coming to the correct decision about my sleeping around so i've helpfully made this decision for both of us, you're welcome." It's sooo manipulative, and you're right, this behavior doesn't just spring up fully formed like athena from zeus' skull. Most likely she was doing stuff on a smaller scale long before this.
@@stitchedwithcolor The only way I can see this woman being "not the asshole" is if the cancer was in her brain and something happened in the process of removing it. Or if it has unknowingly spread to her brain. Something impacting her decisions and impulse control. That's the only explanation I could reasonably accept if it was "all roses" up until then.
@@stitchedwithcolor"You'll get over it" was the line that really put the last nail in the coffin, in my mind. To think so little of your spouse that you'd do whatever you want to them because you know they'll forgive you. That's so toxic it blows my mind.
@@hernameispekka_Rebecca to be fair this episode had some of the most intense stories. I totally gasped too but was trying to act cool in RUclips comments
Yeah it's wild. I've been doing ethical non monogamy for many years now and the way he reacted to her initial request struck me as The Way To Go. Like he was not overly focusing on his initial feelings, while still fully acknowledging them, he was ready to understand and talk openly, accepted that we can never truly walk in each other's shoes. Just amazing reaction on his part, her however... well they are both textbook examples: he of what to do, she of what not to do.
The third story sounds like she has a very toxic bff-coworker. It sounds like the bff-coworker is the one instigating all of this and putting words in her mouth such as "if you don't agree that's toxic masculinity" etc.. I almost wonder if that bff-coworker has her own crush on his wife and wants to *add herself to his wife's bucket list.. kind of like the situation in fargo season 1* *Having a life threatening health emergency does NOT give you a FREE PASS to do WHATEVER YOU WANT regardless of how it negatively effects your life partner.* They stood by you when it happened. They stood by you in good health and bad, like your wedding vows. *So why would you have the right to not uphold your vows/your word?* He should have made that clear, and if she went through with it anyways he should get the hell out of that relationship.
The last story; I do see why they'd want the kids to know eachother. They're all half-siblings, and if they don't get the opportunity to meet them & choose now, they might never forgive the parents for missing that opportunity later in life. Just because some people wouldn't "see the need" to meet their half-siblings (weird opinion, imo) many people believe family comes before all else, me included. Blood is thicker than water. Also, even though the dad doing this was extremely shitty, he's still both the biological dad for both sets of kids, plus the only dad they've ever known. So they shouldn't try to keep him out of the childrens' lives, either.
@jonslg240 While I agree family should come before all, the family you are born into is not always worthy of that. Which is why your quote makes so much sense but I believe not in the way you meant. The full quote is “The Blood of the Covenant is Thicker than the Water of the Womb". The family you choose, the relationships one builds as you live life, this whole bundle of children, which can come to care for one another in time- that is what matters. But only if they choose that connection. There is no guarantee that they will continue this and they should not be forced to do so. Forcing humans to interact with and/or stay together, only because of their blood relation, is a potential recipe for misery. Life is too short to be miserable always. Concerning the father, it is wonderful the two families are getting along cordially but they do not need a betrayer at every get together only because he is related to them. If the kids want to continue a relationship with lying father, they can and should not be forced to stop NOR should they be forced to continue unless there is harm involved, on either side. IMHO
Story two: white is NOT the bridal color because it’s “pure” - up until about 150 years ago brides just wore whichever of their dresses were the nicest and that was that. It was only because of Queen Victoria wearing white to her own wedding that white became “the” color for brides. And it wasn’t meant to symbolize purity, but the fact that white fabric is the most difficult to clean and therefore requires a large staff of servants to maintain. It’s never symbolized of virginity, but wealth. If any color historically represents virginity, it’s blue, and that’s why thousands of paintings of the Virgin Mary have her wearing blue.
I’m not doubting your history but I’ve always been told that white is for if your a virgin, off white colours are for if you aren’t completely different colours are for if it’s a second marriage which still makes his opinion nonsense
@@BRACEwits i did my senior research project on victorian fashion and i can say that you are both kind of right! white was not extremely popular as clothing because it was expensive and hard to clean. queen victoria did popularize the white wedding dress, as well as black clothing (fashion icon tbh). however, white did represent chastity! off white colors such as ivory were also fine, and even sisters of the brides were expected to wear white. black was NOT allowed at weddings and even red was taboo to wear. but really, if you lived in a more rural area, especially during the industrial and second industrial revolution, you just wore your nicest clothes and so did the attendees.
Idk about white but blue on mary I was taught (some random art history class) that she was ofter pictured in red with a blue cover to symbolize flesh shrouded in spirit and Jesus depictions were the opposite bc it was supposed to show him as a spirit shrouded in flesh. Just wanted to type it out bc it's one of the only things that stuck from that class lmao
Stalker story just dropped an update as of July 2024. To summarize: He confronted his wife about the file and she explained that it had to do with her own insecurity and wanting to please him and eventually just became like an addictive game. They’re now in counseling but things are still not okay between them.
It's a shame he feels like he can't leave her because it may be a mental illness and she clearly has some issues but he also feels completely betrayed and that trust is now mostly gone. That update was really sad
Reminds me of another reddit story, Op husband thought he was helping his wife by sleeping with another woman. Because his wife who almost died giving birth to their daughter that also almost died, didn't want to have sex with him while she was recovering. He had a child with that women and she allowed him to live with her, her children and his affair child.
I can't believe how many "hall pass" stories I've heard of where someone always wants to sleep with someone on their level. Hall passes are for celebrities, people that you would literally never in a million year have the opportunity to get with, not for Bob from Accounting 💀
I just imagine like a half drunk dinner night with a couple and one person going "Ok, so who is your hall pass?", the other one going "Oh ok...Hm, 90s Angelina Jolie, maybe Irina Shayk? What about you?" followed by "Ah yea, Id get that...ehm...Ryan Gosling....Ben, our neighbour, Jeremy, the Whole Foods Cashier-", "Wait what?!" Seriously, thats not how this works. 😭💀
@@caetanoallain7430 Yeah, I guess?? But it's true, you only say you want a hall pass for people you would never have a chance with (usually ones with a higher social status), not the people you work with 😭I understand their phrasing in this situation
I'm new to smosh, and it really blows my mind how good all the cast/crew are. Smosh must do a look of work nurturing that and raising each other. It's also crazy no one spilled the Shartney thing. Really speaks volumes on the work culture.
It gave off a "single teen mom can't possibly be as good of a parent as we can" vibe. I know the OP isn't a teen now, but she was 16 when he was born and Nate and Paige seem really judgey.
@@YTFlove4ever(apologies for the essay, i feel bad for not being able to express this thought in a way shorter manner lmao) i don’t think it was vile and i think he tried to say it as respectfully as possible. there are a LOT of reddit stories where people frame themselves as an angel and then later context comes forward that makes it clear they were painting the best picture of themself they could by omitting all of the most important factors. it’s also an insane scenario to believe could be possible.. that two grown adults would go “hey you clearly have everything handled and its tight but you’re managing. despite all that, give us custody of your kid” so i think in some way spencer is trying to find any sort of logical rationale as to why two people would jump to that conclusion. especially if the kid is at their house all the time and they’re projecting onto him like he’s one of their kids, if he starts talking about how home isn’t great and he likes it there better, a stable couple might be like “man should we be worried”. but spencer does make note of the fact that if there’s more to the story and owen is actually unhappy, these people should do shit like offer financial help, NOT try to take custody away from his mom. i know what it’s like having friends who, while we were also pretty poor, were a lot worse off than my sister and i, and their parents were not good people. so they’d spend a lot of time at our house and in that way my parents basically took care of them as their own kids as well. spencer could be speaking from a place of having been in a similar situation or knowing people who have been in that situation. i think he fully realizes that in no way is the correct solution EVER to go “let me adopt your kid”, he’s just trying to rationalize in the grand scheme of things what could possibly drive two people to propose such a fucking insane thing as if it were entirely normal and a logical course of action. all that said, i don’t agree with it. i think the mom was very open about her own struggles but how she’s doing as much as she can for owen, and i believe that to be the truth. i think these people are just crazy, flat out.
Yooo, the one about Owen is fucking crazy. Removing a child from their family home is incredibly traumatizing, even when it's done for a short period for a necessary reason. Even in cases of abuse where the government has to step in, removing the child is a last resort, not EVER "what's best for the child." Those people are disgusting, and have no clue what kids really need.
@@dustbunny6381 well ,,, coraline was going to another world thru her own volition. and then the beldam took her parents and she had to go back to save them
The story about the family wanting the child is so scary. Thank god that mom had the foresight to tell everyone about the possibility of them taking her child.
I was playing this video while cleaning and my head snapped over when I heard uterine cancer. Mine was found later and I’m still battling mine rather than getting the hysterectomy since I’m only 27. Imma be so real. Fighting cancer doesn’t mean you get to hurt your partner. If you know it will hurt them to sleep with someone else to the point you don’t want to give your partner details on the person. Just stop. I’m ALL ABOUT doing everything you want to do especially after winning against cancer, but that doesn’t mean you get to do it at the expense of your partner.
Hey Alicia, surprised to see you in this comment section. You were literally the first person I thought of hearing that story. I know how hard you've been fighting with cancer cause of your JoJo's series and I could never imagine that being used as an excuse to cheat. Neat to see you actually here and confirming with lived experience how unacceptable this is.
Praying for you and your recovery. Thank you for sharing your perspective as someone in the midst of that battle. As a cancer survivor myself I 100% agree- this woman is not at all in her right mind to think that it’s an excuse to hurt the man who stuck with her through the worst of times.
no fr, and what if the kids go through a rough patch or friend-breakup in middleschool? Are they going to keep Owen, as he's their son, just as much as the other? Or was he, at the end of the day, just an expensive toy for their Charlie? No fault on either of the kids here ofc, but you just know there's always going to be a power dynamic, manipulation, seniority, abandonment, pain. Absolutely entitled bullshit from the Wannabe-Adopters. Makes me wonder somewhat if they got rejected from a more formal agency of adoption or foster-care, or if those kids were "below" them. Idk, gross stuff. Glad OP was able to hold her ground and make arrangements. They may have thought they were doing the right thing, but savior complex does some insane stuff to your brain.
The wife-with-the-secret-account is legitimately the most terrifying story I've heard on this series. That dude woke up to one life, and went to bed the same day to another. That's f'king bonkers.
I absolutely agree! I’m kinda shocked there aren’t as many comments about it because that is literally mind blowing. My jaw hit the floor, TEN YEARS?! That poor guy and his daughter! The wife obviously is unwell, but damn, that poor guy literally has 0 idea if he and his daughter are even safe with her. It’s crazy how fast your entire life can be upended.
Absolutely. That's literally like a horror movie. There is ZERO logical reasoning for that kind of behavior and if I was him I would 100% be worried for his, the daughter, and the exes safety. No chance would I be confronting her, that whole situation is so scary and I feel so bad for him.
@@allisonwatson5960 I'm with you on this, going through the comments I'm shocked there are not more reactions. I actually got goosebumps from this. and it's an unresolved story too.
Story 3: I had a boyfriend who was diagnosed with cancer early in our relationship. We were away at college so I became his primary care giver. Took him to chemo, helped him when he was weak, etc. about a week after we got the news that he was in remission, he told me he was done with me and already had a date set up that night. There was nothing I could do about it. A 4 year relationship over just like that. It hurt my confidence and I just felt I didn’t do enough. Let her go and don’t blame yourself. If you’re not comfortable with her sleeping with other people just get out. It’s gonna be painful but you can’t change her mind. I’m so sorry.
As someone who is chronically ill and goes through periods of being extremely sick I can't imagine doing something like that to someone. Using them during my worst times as a caregiver and support and someone to lean on only to throw them away the second I'm doing better. That is unthinkably despicable, unthinkably cruel and manipulative.
Like, I'd be kinda upset if someone was insistent on keeping one of my dogs because they liked them, I'd be livid if someone did that with a child of mine!
I've said it as a joke, but I hope it's never been taken as a serious comment. I've always followed up with a compliment to the parenting and an open invite to come over any time. If anyone has ever taken it seriously, I'd be mortified. It's definitely going to make me rethink.
dude the google account story is WILD, like that’s the first reddit story that i’ve legitimately wondered if they’re going to have to do a serious update where someone has been murdered, like that could 100% be the beginning of a true crime saga
I read that post when it was first published and some of the comments from the OP in the post, and honestly, I'm 99% sure it's fiction. The details didn't really add up. They're got married during the pandemic, but then OP says it took them a long time to conceive but they had a baby in 2023? Objectively, that is not a long time. Some of it seems to have been edited since I read it because I remember the stuff about tracking down outfits was more about the dude remembering how his ex used to dress, and it sounded very far fetched.
@@MorningAngel3 years is a VERY long time to try and conceive a child if you’re having trouble doing it, so I’m not sure what you mean there. And that’s your biggest evidence for it being fake?
@@tiffanymorgan1059 So what they read was either edited a bit or something, but they had gotten married in 2021 if I remember correctly, and had a child in 2023 (which includes the actual pregnancy.). It really wasn't that long. You can believe this story if you want, but as I said, I remember reading the comments from OP in the original post, and all of it really didn't add up.
@@stormcloudsabound I do not remember all the details off the top of my head, because it's been a while since I read it. I remember reading comments from OP in the original post, and it really felt like things didn't quite add up. I do remember it was a 2-year or 3-year Reddit account that had no other activity on it besides that post and those comments, which is honestly a tell-tale sign of people trolling AITA and OffMyChest for karma farming or whatever other reasons to make up stuff. It's fine if you don't believe me; I don't have time to go digging to build a case for this. There is some chance it could be true, but I've personally stopped reading some of these personal stories communities because there seems to have been an increase in narratives that are pretty out there (and there are tells from their profiles that they're just people trolling), and some posts now even have the tell-tale signs of being generated by AI.
I’m a woman with CP, and the most popular kid in school always defends me. Always. Not because I give anything in return, he’s just kind. He’s a good person. He has the most to lose by defending me, and yet he’s the only one. I’m forever grateful.
People who are popular BECAUSE they're unwavering in their kindness are literally the coolest people. Gives the vibes of someone who has status but literally doesn't care if they lose it. Love above all else
@@connorwhite7120 I know. He’s just such a genuinely good person, just because it’s the right thing to do- I’ve had the biggest crush on him for like five years-
@@dove2826 thank you 🤣 I’m working on the friend thing, we’re about to move onto our next level of schooling, and the place I’m going- he’s the only other person coming with me. It wasn’t even purposeful, there was a taster day, and I showed up at the reception, only to realise as I went to take my photo, that he was STANDING RIGHT BEHIND ME. I’m genuinely hoping we can be friends bc it would just be nice to know like- ONE person.
My jaw is on the FLOOR over the stalking the ex story. She is ILL and the fact that she hid it so well for a decade is terrifying. When he mentioned they had a daughter my heart sank. His whole life just imploded. I hope there’s an update someday cause I NEED to know what happened
he says he is going to confront her gently while the kid is at a grandparents house. He has also contacted a therapist, and stated that the wife has shown obsessive tendencies before this.
My theory for the "my wife is stalking my ex" is that she (the wife) was always obsessed with the ex OP mentioned that the 2 of them kinda knew eachother but not like in a friends way, so i truly believe the wife was already stalkin the ex and "wanting to become her" since before she met OP and then, when she discovered OP was single again, went for him to emulate the ex
Oh my gosh, you might be right.😖If that's the case, I wonder if she fell in love with him. She continued to stay with him and have a baby even though the ex didn't.
With that said, I wonder if this is an identity thing, whether it be the issue in itself or a symptom of something like BPD. Because there is no way she has a sense of identity if she's able to slowly merge into who the ex is. Because this behavior is undiagnosed, personality disorder level type of thing, and if it truly that, I can only imagine what hell she lives in because, from my own experience, not having a grounded sense of identity is absolutely harrowing at times.
You hear the stories of an obsessed stalker going through the person's trash and taking like a toothbrush or other momentos. I'm not implying the ex is trash himself, but it really feels like his wife saw him as the ex's leftovers instead of like a person/love interest. Hopefully she's just doing it because she loves the OP and is trying to become what she thinks he'd want. Still not healthy and scary as heck, but at least comes from a place of seeing him instead of just a former possession of the Ex
@@slsthewriter1299 it definitely reads as a serious mental health concern. It might even be something where with treatment and the proper supports in place, she will be a great partner and they can have a happy life. I worry for them right now, because of postpartum, and how that can affects serious mental health issues. Not necessarily her hurting them, although that might be a possibility depending on history, but her hurting herself. It's definitely a conversation to have with a professional and with family members.
As a kid i had a friend that basically lived with me. His mom was in the military and worked crazy hours and was single mom on top of that. We loved them both and saw them as family but NEVER and i mean never would we have tried to take him. Instead we saw issues with things like food and stuff and just helped. We help clean, maintain the house, tutor, babysit, and make meals. Thats the normal response to seeing a kid you love in a family that needs more support. We are actually still friends and his mom recently purchased a nice house and has been in a long term relationship with a lovely man and still thanks my mom for everything when we see her.
This is the true meaning of "it takes a village". If the couple in that story truly wanted to help, they should have been looking for ways they could have HELPED in an active way. Not doing everything in their power to try to upshow Owen's mom in this weird attempt to take her kid for themselves. They could have helped financially and stuff and those boys could have grown up being very close, and the family could have just decided to help and be a part of the village for Owen and his mom. But no. Baffling.
57:30 Arasha talking about getting a secret apartment is so spot on. this was common for women to do in the past when they were able to get their preparations in order before leaving a man. many women in abusive relationships, especially with children, end up having to secure a getaway plan long before they can safely leave. this is good advice for anyone to take. get your ducks in a row to avoid the worst outcomes.
As a single mom I assure you people are so ready to swoop in to save your kid even if there’s nothing wrong. Not only that but predators are on the lookout for single moms and they love to offer to help. What a nightmare.
I'm so sorry you experience this, that must be so difficult, and you're so strong for putting up with it. Sending much love to you and your kiddo, mama ❤
Ikr?!? That comment alone made me kinda sick 🤢🤮 What's really sad is that they could've had an extended family dynamic, but they obviously put more value on money than on the bonds we create as people.
And if they did end up having another kid. They would probably mistreat or neglect him because his purpose of “being the brother for their son” will no longer be his role. It creepy
I think that the families uniting in the last family is badass. Like the dude tried to have two different families but instead the families are now uniting and kicking him off and he's alone lmao. I think it's perfect. Even if it doesn't work out, I think it was a good idea to at least try.
The ex stalker one makes me question whether she's a) stalking his ex because of her relationship with him, or b) she's dating him because of her obsession with his ex
My OH thought B. But it didn't start till after they were together, and she already knew her before. So at least it wasn't like 'I have her man✔️ her job✔️ her faith✔️ her hair✔️...' 😂 Still bonkers!
I literally came to comment this! Thank you! I feel like that consideration can change the entire outlook of that story. Really scary and dangerous either way. I’m really hoping that one was fake
what really got me is the “i thought we talked about this” girl no tf yall didn’t. YOU talked about this and when he (UNDERSTANDABLY) said no you straight up dismissed his answer. this woman is crazy😭
Shayne, regarding the last story of the "blended" family.. I have 7 younger half siblings, and I appreciate being able to have contact with them, and they feel the same. I feel it's up to the kids, and great of the moms for being open to it and encouraging it. Lots of AP don't want the kids to have a relationship, so this is wholesome to me.
In the 3rd story, the cancer didn’t change her mind to make her want to cheat. She had this man in mind already. She has always wanted him. The looming risk of death that came with the cancer diagnosis just helped her justify being selfish enough to follow through with what she’s always wanted to do.
this and the way she proposed the idea confirms it. she basically said "hey im not happy and I'm GOING to break our marriage but if you get mad youre the bad guy". INCREDIBLY planned out and manipulative
YES, she also said she’s always found him attractive and him moving away is “the perfect opportunity” for her to act on the desire she’s always had… the cancer didn’t change her mind, it emboldened her
For story 3, there is another update. The next day, when. OP gets home from work, he is confronted with his MIL, SIL, wife, and all his wife's female friends. It was an "intervention" for OP to stop being "petty". They ALL start screaming at him, calling him an asshole, saying he is toxic, that HE is in the wrong etc. etc. OP, knowing all their husbands/spouses, calls there bluff. Tells them that, if they think she is right, then they should have no problem with him calling all their boyfriends/husbands and telling them what they are all doing. They all pretty much keep quiet and back away as they all knew that their partners would not agree with them. I don't remember if he did contact the spouses anyway, but some of them did find out. He got a lot of supportive messages from them (I think some of the wife's friends begrudgingly apologised over text over the threat of losing their own relationships), and these relationships either ended or were suddenly hanging on by a thread. Either way, the update ended with OP now firmly being set on divorce.
To gather a group of women to attack him is absolutely INSANE. I think that OP’s wife just isn’t happy in the marriage anymore but doesn’t want to actually leave. Trying to get everything she wants. When someone has gone through a hard time, it absolutely does not give them the excuse to treat you horribly.
To be part of that low quality friend group is wild. I’d probably have problems just as a partner or friend of one of them. Like, “Who are these people you’ve surrounded yourself with, and who are you really?”
@@dflatproduction I agree. I think it's a classic case of herd mentality/halo effect where they all just assume that anything any member of group does HAS to be morally correct. It's just the most toxic group of people where nobody challenges anybody
Thank you Shayne for naming the classism at play in the “we wanna be your kid’s guardians” situation - I think you’re totally right and it’s so important that we name these things when they crop up. You’re not gonna look like a boy who cried wolf! People so often overlook whatever is the most obvious. Kudos for that, mama. For spilling.
So often capitalism and classism is involved in pretty much anything, but people are so used to it being a seemingly unquestionable reality that it does not get brought up nearly enough. Mama, kudos for saying that. For spilling, indeed.
Hi, cancer survivor from a huge battle here. On one hand, there's a lot of psychological scarring from fighting cancer, confronting your mortality directly and understanding that life is a lot shorter than we think. On the other hand, at no point did I ever think I should just live a consequence free life from now on. Do I take more chances and appreciate what I have now? Absolutely. Would I start sleeping around? No. That's nuts. Therapy helped me a lot, I feel like she could use it too.
True I think it's more a mental health issue than anything else. OP also struck me as a ppl pleaser that is why he was contemplating going along with it. Ppl underestimate what the psychological impact of facing your own death does to some ppl. Even though they are now divorcing I still hope she finds some help. Nothing OP said makes me think this is how she was before.
I said it in my comment too, my mom fought and beat lung cancer. Her outlook and perspective changed a lot, but that truly amounted to her falling in love with dragonflies and just wanting to be with her family as much as possible. The idea that this woman decided she should be allowed to just do whatever, consequences be damned, because of cancer is nuts
Congrats on beating cancer! ❤ I mentioned this is my comment, too. There's a lot of trauma that comes with that kind of diagnosis. I was kind of wondering if, considering he said he was never worried about it, if he accidentally invalidated her feelings at the time. Especially since he said he's not very emotional, he may not have understood how much support she actually needed.
Not really. All we know of him are things an acquaintance of his from over a decade ago, wrote from memory Her work clearly helped him get into a college that he wouldn't have gotten into otherwise, and thus set him on the path to success. People remember that kinda stuff So this was probably just a favour that he'd wanted to pay back for a while
Maybe he did not see it as transactional. Perhaps he has also learned with time what he did was just the right thing to do, but she is the reason he's swimming in money.
Dude, the couple who wanted to "adopt" their son's friend are def the type of ppl who think The Blind Side was a tale of sacrifice and charity, and not the exploitation that we now know it was.
@frankcaggiano8282 I don't remember if there was a settlement or if they are still in litigation (I think they countersued). But I do remember the judge ended the conservatorship last year. I can imagine they all ended up being assholes (usually happens when money and power are involved)
@@BusinessSkrub people have done crazier things for money in the long run. Very little is simply black and white as it's made to be. I'm sure they all benefitted, but the motives seem pretty sus.
@@BusinessSkrub I cannot believe I have to say this: Whether the justice system siding with you or not.... has nothing to do with how right or wrong you are. Sometimes, the system may go against you, no matter how right you are. In fact, in case you haven't heard, many people around the world have little trust in the justice system... because they deem it unjust.
There's a story of an old man who accidentally stabbed a teenager after being hanged up on by a group of teens in a lake, causing him to be screamed at, shoved under water, etc all because he approached them trying to find his phone. They were drunk and the entire thing was caught on video. He was still sentenced to life in prison. Damn right the justice system is hot garbage@@daanachmad4032
I’ve been in a similar situation as Owen and his mom where everything was handled SO much better. My mother was a Special ED Prek teacher in a lower income area, so I commuted to school with her and went to their kindergarten while she worked. I became best friends with a girl in a very difficult situation where there was the possibility of homelessness. Her parents adored her but supporting her had become hard and since our families became very close we were able to take care of her. Because our families were friends, things were handled differently and we were able to support my friend without even considering the possibility of adoption. We are almost finished with high school now and are still best friends with one big group family 💛
With those crazy people trying to adopt then kidnap the kid for their son to have a playmate, if they have that much money, just do a Stuart Little and adopt a kid that actually needs a home. Not one that already has one.
I feel so bad for Charlie in the future (hopefully) when he eventually learns that his parents are crazy and the reason his best friend as a child stopped coming over was because they tried to obtain him. It wouldn't surprise me if the parents twist what Charlie learns so he thinks they were in the right or that nothing happened, but damn imagine how shattering it would be to learn the reason your best friend as a child stopped being so close to you was because your parents tried to kidnap them so you'd have a sibling
There was also the time he pretended he was afraid of chimps because he knew they would try to scare him with one and then he had a whole villain speech prepared.
To be fair, he wasn't hiding that from the people in his actual life. Just us, with the help of a whole cast of people and editors. Not really the same thing haha
@@hernameispekka_Rebecca Also, even keeping a marriage secret from your friends until there is an invitation is not unheard of either. It's just not always something that people are comfortable sharing (but that probably applies more to introverted-leaning or more conservative-personalitied people)
That ex stalker story is beyond bananas. Sounds like a visceral, deranged level of insecurity, and no sense of self. I hope this man and his child are safe, and this woman gets intensive mental care.
3rd story: I’m literally recovering from a hysterectomy right now (not cancer but gender transition) and my partner’s support has me loving him even more. Him being with me and taking care of the stuff I can’t do has me feeling grateful and even closer to him. I cannot imagine going through all this and having my response be to cheat on him. Poor OP deserves better than a gaslighting cheater.
I’m so glad to hear that! In the future, I also want an hysterectomy for that reason so it’s nice to hear someone in that situation and recovering nicely with support
i’ve been going through some health issues over the last 6 months-multiple surgeries and probably more to come-and i feel the same way. my partner has shown up for me in ways i never expected and it’s made me appreciate and love him even more!
The Parent's wanting to adopt the woman's son seemed extremely normal until the very end. I even have a friend who we'd go to each other's houses, spend the weekend/holiday, etc. I even attended my friend's wedding and her mom told her and her sister "Why can't you be more like your sister" while pointing at me. Those parents could have let their son have the best friend in the entire world, but completely blew by trying to take away some one else's kid.
I think the reason, for me, why I did get red flags about it was simply because she seemed to be completely left out of it. Like surely as another parent is spending more time with your kid, so do you, but the fact that it didn't seek like she was getting any closer to them but Owen was? I think that's what made me hesitant off the bat. (But obviously she doesn't have that flexibility to get to know them so I also understand her not questioning it)
@@brusselspr9utYour last line answers your own concern, she didn’t have the capacity to get to know Charlie's parents at the same rate that her son did. She's *working* while Charlie's mom is a stay-at-home mother, so of course there's going to be more time for OP's son to get to know the parents than she ever does
@relic5752 No I get that for sure, I completely understand how her circumstances wouldn't have allowed her to see or interpret things that way, I was just commenting more so on @kylie7780's own similar experiences and adding why for me it felt a little different.
The story reminded me of a horror movie Paperboy. It’s about a boy who loved a family of a single mom and daughter so much, he tried to become her son. He would come to the house to make dinner, bake, clean when the mom wasn’t home, call her mom and kill anyone who he felt was a threat to him being a member of their family, including his own dad!
To quote Shayne from another Reddit stories, "Respect is more powerful than love." Without it, a romantic relationship can't last. Lies, deceit, disrespect, and overall tomfoolery are ingredients for a disastrous end to the relationship. If you can't show respect and dignity to your partner, you don't deserve to spend the rest of your life with someone. If the person isn't acting in a mean-spirited manner, be respectful towards them. Treat others the way you want to be treated. This ain't a videogame where u got extra lives. You only have one life. Don't waste opportunities to be good. Live your life to the fullest with dignity. Shayne, if you see this comment, you and the rest of the cast that appeared in these episodes have come up with such great quotes that we can take to heart. Keep it up! 👊
The third story is so wild I'm just really speechless rn. The man sounds really sweet and genuinely cares for her (obv bc they've been married for 20 years) but for her to TAKE AWAY the decision from him and asked for them to get back to normal after?? CRAZY. He's so much more patient than I would have in that situation.
Especially THE WAY she did it, claiming that she was "making it an easier process for him" by taking away his choice at all?? It's an old school method of abusive controlling behavior. To try to convince the other person that they are having their autonomy taken away from them for their own wellness is f*cked up in so many ways.
I do landscaping and one of my clients is extremely wealthy. My old truck broke down in his driveway and he helped put a down payment on a new truck. One day I showed up with a new m12 pruner sitting next to the shrubs he asked me to take care of. There's a lot of other things they've done which I'll always be grateful for.
I think it’s really sweet and wonderful that the moms from the “dad had two families” story brought their kids together and want to hang out and spend time. It takes a very mature set of people to view each other with that much empathy
For the fifth story with the single mom, it sounds like she's doing a great job. I grew up poor with a single mom, and we were also put in daytime summer camps and rec centers after school when our mom worked, and those places were an absolute blast, even the ones in crappy cities/poorer areas. We didn't get a lot of gifts outside of birthdays and Christmas, but it made them feel more special honestly. The lady in the story took extra shifts because she knew her son would be staying at a good friend's house, and it was so she could get him the bike and other he had been wanting. The fact that her son is described as sweet and respectful really shows she raised him well. The idea that this family wants to take her son away is insane. As an 8 year old I would have been devastated at being taken away from my mom, no matter how many gifts I got. That's so entitled and classist to think that this kid can't have a happy life since the mom is poorer than them.
As someone with half siblings I’ve never met, the only reason I’d want to meet them is so I don’t accidentally meet them on a night out, start dating meet their parents; they say “hey dad here’s my new partner” and I’m just like, “Dad?”
Confession: While touring sites in NYC I sat in the confessional of The Basilica of St. Patrick’s Old Cathedral. Someone else must’ve mistook me for a Priest entering the confessional and sat in the one beside me and began UNLOADING the sins of his life before I had a chance to comment who I was. I listened for a good five minutes before I finally spoke up and said I wasn’t with the church. The guy RAN out of that building so fast. I’ve never told anyone that story out of respect for that guy because he unloaded some REALLY deep stuff and I didn’t want people prying for info.
Yeah, the entire time I would have been thinking about what I’ve seen in movies and what a priest might say back if anything to the person. I’d try a bit of a grizzled version of my voice too.
@@emmawoods7310 See, you think that but in the actual moment when you’re hearing some messed up stuff being confessed, you don’t really think to do that.
The whole red dress virginity story, just makes me think about like why does anyone ever want to display on their wedding day what they’ve done or haven’t done with their genitals, very very odd
First story sounds like the guy either got therapy or he found some good influences and has grown as an adult. As long as it’s genuine we love to see it.
His intentions as a young student were obviously not great, but it seems like he’s had time to reflect and realize he wouldn’t have the same life without her help. Whether or not he had therapy in order to come to that conclusion, I think that’s amazing ❤ I wish more people would give credit where credit is due
@@naylas3908because she didn’t feel like she needed the money, nor did she want to take it from him. it’s very common in a lot of cultures to never accept gifts without giving something of equal value
@@Grim_sights also some people use money as a form of control/leverage. that doesn't *seem* to be the case here, but it's way more common than people realize.
And it's good to remember that we want to promote people to grow into better people - teenagers are not usually the best versions of themselves yet (no judgements really, it's a rough time for everyone!) I'm glad they both found closure and success in their lives
I've been the Owen, almost. And my mom choosing me was the biggest thing. Having one parent who has already abandoned you and then seeing another do the same would destroy him. My life growing up wasn't easy either but now at 28 I'm so grateful to all that my mom went went through to raise me herself. It made me feel wanted, not a mistake, not a burden. But like someone's child. Not a toy, as you said. A person.
omg the stalking the ex and the adoption story are both TERRIFYING, I could totally imagine full on horror films coming from them and the last story reminded me of an uncle that died and all his THREE families found out about each other at the funeral, men are crazy like that
I feel so bad for Charlie in the future (hopefully) when he eventually learns that his parents are crazy and the reason his best friend as a child stopped coming over was because they tried to obtain him. It wouldn't surprise me if the parents twist what Charlie learns so he thinks they were in the right or that nothing happened, but damn imagine how shattering it would be to learn the reason your best friend as a child stopped being so close to you was because your parents tried to kidnap them so you'd have a sibling
These truly are my favorite videos. They are just long enough that I'm able to get some chores done like dishes, and still able to watch and be interested enough. Shayne really is such a great host.
I can understand why the families came together. Both of those women are going through the same thing and their kids are also going through the same thing. It's an incredibly traumatic experience and they're boding with the people who will best understand how they're feeling. They were screwed over in one of the worst ways but they also ended up with a supportive network and hopefully they help each other get through this and move on.
It's honestly so refreshing (and kinda funny) the guys mom took his fiance's side in the second story. It feels like so often on here that the guys somehow get everyone on their side so seeing someone take the women's is refreshing and kinda hilarious in a way... Can you imagine getting your own mom into something and her just being like "lol no, you're dumb and wrong. You wear red, dummy."
So glad to see Aarasha and Spencer on this! We always need more Spencer on camera, and Aarasha’s depth perception with these Reddit stories is always off the charts! it’s really nice to see what’s otherwise a complex emotional problem being analyzed with such care and well rounded perspectives :) thank you to Shayne and all crew and editors and everyone who works on these and makes them happen!
The fourth story is so haunting and scary. The realization OP had must have been terrifying that he essentially was still with his abusive ex in a way.
Dude, when I was getting out of the military my Biological mom said she could adopt our daughter for benefits if I didn't find a job. To give some context, this woman abandoned my brother and I at home while my dad was at work. He won custody and we had supervised visits until I was 8 years old, she also only every paid $60 in child support for both of us. I was so mad and scared, you would have to kill me to become a guardian of my child. Literally
1st story: the person with the money was also a kid when in school and the brain isn't really fully developed until around 25, so I feel like there should be a little more grace here. The fact that he went out of his way to find this person is more than what most people seem willing to do.
Even looking at it as a true quid pro quo relationship, the fact that the guy stood up to bullies is still an impressive feat. Sure the tradeoff of homework makes it not altruistic, but even with incentives I doubt many people would stand up to a bully. I know they certainly didn't when I was in high school, and I doubt that's changed much.
I agree especially considering most people don't go out of their way to stand up for the right thing especially when you're a child, teenager. Also it was a mutually beneficial situation, it's not like he said you've gotta sex me & I'll protect you. It was like you're doing the homework anyway, just copy it & change a few things & I'll watch your back...
Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. She should excep everything he has go offer if he us doing it with a sane mind with no expectations or loopholes.
Right. Also, who says he wouldn't have still protected her if she had ignored the notebook? Unlikely, but possible. I don't understand why they say he owes his success to her doing the homework. Doing homework is what trains your brain to be disciplined and make smart business decisions in the long run. You can't become a body builder by making somebody else lift your weights. How did he pass tests in school if he never practiced anything? This is what makes me doubt the whole story, it doesn't make any sense.
Using cancer that you recovered from, as an excuse to cheat, is just vile. That woman and her friend are just flat out bad people. The husband seems like an amazing man and deserves so much better.
On the second family story, i grew up with siblings all over the country. We knew eachother the whole time, and we were close, but one kid was from an affair my dad had, and i only ever saw her once. Bringing the families together is a hugely good move for those kids, because it is killer to know you have siblings you've never known.
3rd story: I think it was important he saw her walk away with her co worker because I think there was a possibility she would lie and try to say she didn't go through with it.
Possibly, but tbh it didn't sound like she cared enough about his feelings to lie. She was just going to do whatever she wanted and expected him to roll over and deal with it because cancer.
Agreed. I think it helped it sink in that it was real and it was just as seedy and gross as his intuition told him it would be. He saw her with his own eyes make the choice and nothing she can say can rewrite that image.
Walking to to your significant other and saying "i know you don't want me to cheat on you so I'm going to do it anyway so you don't need to worry about it" is INSANE
I always appreciate Arasha's ability to hold awareness of potential context and complications of the other half's perspective of the situation and the way she's able to express it.
I actually think the first story is really sweet. I think he is growing as a person and she made enough of an impact that he never forgot her. From personal experience, sometimes the things you do that seem insignificant mean the world to other people, and him paying her back now that he is able is beautiful to me
Exactly. Obviously the three of them I don't think have witnessed bullying first hand otherwise their opinion would have been different. No one stands up for you for fear of being the next target of the bullies. The fact he did that, even if it was for what amounts to a quid pro quo relationship is still more than most people will do in that situation. The fact that years laters he attributes his success to OP doing his homework shows that he's a good person, and was a good person back then.
In regards to the cancer hall-pass one, some people have commented updates below, but yes - he is totally right to leave her. I had a near-death experience that totally changed my outlook on life and so I do understand her panic, however, that doesn't mean 'hurt people without consequence'. Of course she can do whatever she wants, but he can also choose to leave her.
Also, I’m not trying to downplay cancer (of all things!) but it was as mild as cancer could possibly be. It wasn’t like she was stage four and came back from the brink or something. That story reeks of “looking for a reason”. Especially since she already knew who she was going to pick.
The third story reminds me a lot of my parents. A similar thing happened with them; my mom cheated, obviously my dad was upset, and then my mom tried to pretend like everything's ok and everyone should just forgive and forget. It's incredibly frustrating to deal with someone who shows such narcissistic displays as they truly believe that they camnot do any wrong and that everything is someone else's fault. I'm just glad that the guy in the reddit story finally left his ex wife and didn't mention having any kids to see that toxicity. I hope he's happier now
Shayne didn't get the full story. They have a daughter apparently. The daughter seems to want them to stay together. She's mentioned in the 2nd update.
I was thinking the whole time through the story the way she worded things....screams cluster b disorder, as someone whos been abused by a person with one. the blame shifting, emotional blackmail, plotting but also impulsivity... yeah.
The story about adopting the OP’s kid is weird as fuck. Before I heard the update, the alarm bells were ringing that the rich parents may try to kidnap OP’s kids AND I WAS RIGHT. So scary.
I honestly love hearing Arashas genuine thoughts, she's one of my favorite guests because she's so eloquent and takes every factor into account Spencer always makes such good points too Shane
first story is like a wattpad romance story like hes fallen in love with her over this time and realized all this guilt over how he did kind of force her to do his work and now feels the need to pay her back since yeah he wouldnt be where he was if he hadnt done that and now he just wants to care of her like i feel like ive read this story before of like, "i did something bad to you once before and now the guilt i feel makes me care for you and now im falling in love with you" i literally have read a story or even a manwha with that plot point
The only thing missing from it that would truly cement it as a Wattpad OR Manwha plot would be that the story starts with someone buying someone else at an underground auction lol
That third story with the wife post cancer is really alarming to me. She clearly enjoys the security of her marriage. He's accommodating, caring, communivative, supportive of her trips, demands, etc. She wants to hold on to all of that as much as she can while still being a MASSIVE pos. The absolute audacity to ask they go back to normal?! She deserves nothing, least of all him
I think the hesitance in that first story comes from how easy it would be to use those gifts to manipulate her, and given that she has been through what she had, it is a not-so-difficult leap to see the potential, here, as well. However, we being the precursors of our own destinies, sometimes these acts are legitimate, and done with a good heart. His openness is what sold me, not just with his willingness to share personal details of his own life, but moreover his willingness to be communicative, at all. Like she said, she wanted to have a hand on the wheel, and he never once denied her that. An absolutely grand gesture, to be certain, but not veiled in manipulation at all. I think those are just two excellent people, exuding their humility. What an awesome story, I wish the best for both of them.
Something that wasn’t really mentioned in the story about Owen and his mom… she is 24. That means she was around 16 when she had him and got disowned by her parents. At that young age she had the commitment to get a job to support her son’s needs, she got him into a good school, and she clearly parents him well if Paige commented how respectful he is. She is an amazing mom, and I hope this situation didn’t make her question that!
This!!
Odds are that the other couple was significantly older - and that’s part of their crazed thinking.
That story hurts so bad, they are lucky to have each other and I hope the best for them❤
I can't imagine being in that situation and getting my shit together that well, immense props to her.
@@user399878993 I could see this, it might be an older couple who have prejudice with the mom being a single parent and also being underage when she got pregnant. They might think they're the perfect nuclear family to raise a child and the mom doesn't fit that standard.
I think what makes that worse is that now Owen’s mom being a single mom is now going to be hesitant to accept help even when she really needs it.
that's such a good point!
Dude that’s so sad…I truely wish her and Owen the best
Right!! That’s so scary!
If she made a go fund me, I’d easily donate and help out!
Imagine being in the percentile of women whose husbands don’t leave when they get cancer, and then nuking your marriage for someone you’ll never see again
Woah dude, I see your comments all the time on these videos!
A lot of married couples in the US break up because they don't want to pass on their medical debt to their spouse if/when they die.
@@TheZombiemofoI think they’re talking about the husbands who are straight up ditching their wives and not things like that..
@@TheZombiemofothey mean the ones who leave, divorcing for those reasons is pretty respectable but the couples stay together, but there’s a surprising amount of people who will divorce their sick partners just because they can’t be bothered caring and loving a sick person
@@TheZombiemofomedical debt is the one debt category in the US where you can't be pursued in court for payment, and you're under no obligation to pay a deceased spouse's or family members' debts unless you were co-signed on whatever contract the debt originates from. On the contrary, a lot of people in the US kill themselves to save the rest of their family from whatever debt they have been put under.
Edit to clarify - most debt holders will try to pursue and convince you to pay the debt because they're fucking demons
For the story about the woman who recovered from cancer and cheated there IS another update. They're getting divorced but have to be separated for a year. Their daughter took his side, she's trying to recover the marriage but he's sticking to his guns. The house was a pre-marital asset so she has no claim.
Your awesome for this update 🙌🏽
Thanks friend, this is much appreciated
Fffffucking GOOD! I hope the husband meets the love of his life and is able to have a happy ending. I hope the wife gets what she deserves :) AND her yes-men friends and mom.
the baby choosing a side is so funny.
@itsnowonder9856 I'm not sure if you've confused two stories, the daughter here is old enough to make her own choices and decisions, I think, not a baby who's less than a year old from the next story.
The third story is so heartbreaking to me. Imagine going through the motions of caring for a spouse after that diagnosis, supporting them through treatment and getting them back to a sense of normalcy then they want a hall pass??? With someone already in mind? He's stronger than me because that would crush my soul man.
I rarely get heated by these stories anymore but that one…oof
Seriously, as someone who got cheated on in my last relationship that hit so hard. So glad the dude is leaving and I hope everything works out for him.
Side note of her friend calling him callous for not wanting her to cheat on him too is crazy
@@JamesJones-ts5fl You and me both man I was seething like the audacity of this woman!!!!!!!
That story made me feel nauseous
Will also say with the Owen "adoption" story. There are SO MANY kids especially over the age of five that need adoption in foster care, and this family ABSOLUTLY has the means to afford the process and care that child needs. The reason they don't want to go through the foster system is because they don't want another child that they have to put effort into raising and being there for them, they just want a kid that doesn't have trauma and will be perfect for their son. They have the means they absolutely just don't want to put the effort into actually having another kid
I'm going to also assume it's also because fostering is just to give a child a place to stay. The primary goal is to get them back with their parents (if the parents weren't neglectful, that is). There's no guarantee that the child is able to be adopted. So not only would they not want to put in the effort to raise a child that comes from a broken home, but they probably don't want to waste effort to do so if the child can't stay.
Even if they wanted to do that now, they likely won't be able to considering the wife's actions.
Classic anti-choice adults who virtue signal “Let people adopt the babies!” And yet when asked 99% have not fostered nor will attempt to foster a kid.
Yeah but that's probably going to be a troubled child, they want Owen because she's already raised him to be a decent kid. So they want that happy, grateful, well behaved kid.
I will say, Parents abandoned her at 16. Owen is quite literally her ONLY family, since the scumbag who got her pregnant went no contact. and this other family wants to take Owen away? "You can visit him anytime", or until you move, or tell the police "this woman is harassing us, and bothering OUR son, we need a restraining order" Naw, she did the right thing.
omg you're so right
shayne is SO right about the 3rd story. he has DEFINITELY been gaslighted for the entire marriage, she just got bolder now that they went through a harsher time and she thinks he wouldnt let himself 'loose' 20 years of his life. also yeah, she had cancer but he was also there, the fact that she frames it as only affecting her says a lot about how little she thinks of him.
Yeah, I don't think that's a totally new pattern but rather a continuing one given more ammunition with "the cancer card". That might sound crass and I would never view it like that in general, but in this case it really seems like a person that would use that as a "get out of jail"-free card
I suspect that if he had cancer she'd find a way to make it about herself somehow
Yup. What gets me about that is not the fact tht she wanted to sleep around--lots of people have consensually nonmonogamous relationships--but that her framing starts at "i want this thing that was never part of our marriage before and if you don't agree then you're toxic" and moves on to "i figured you might have a hard time coming to the correct decision about my sleeping around so i've helpfully made this decision for both of us, you're welcome." It's sooo manipulative, and you're right, this behavior doesn't just spring up fully formed like athena from zeus' skull. Most likely she was doing stuff on a smaller scale long before this.
@@stitchedwithcolor The only way I can see this woman being "not the asshole" is if the cancer was in her brain and something happened in the process of removing it. Or if it has unknowingly spread to her brain. Something impacting her decisions and impulse control. That's the only explanation I could reasonably accept if it was "all roses" up until then.
@@stitchedwithcolor"You'll get over it" was the line that really put the last nail in the coffin, in my mind. To think so little of your spouse that you'd do whatever you want to them because you know they'll forgive you. That's so toxic it blows my mind.
shayne: update
arasha and spencer: simultaneous gasp
I was genuinely gasping and squealing along with them on this one!!
Literally every episode. I'm desensitized but glad you guys still enjoy it
@@mosquitopyjamas9048 I don't react to it like that always but this one was so good and I was so in it! So that "update" hits hard sometimes
@@hernameispekka_Rebecca to be fair this episode had some of the most intense stories. I totally gasped too but was trying to act cool in RUclips comments
@@mosquitopyjamas9048I literally always gasp and have a shocked face😂
Story 3 is insane, she was like "I know ethical non monogamy can be hard, so I'll do unethical non monogamy to make it easier on you"
Yeah it's wild. I've been doing ethical non monogamy for many years now and the way he reacted to her initial request struck me as The Way To Go. Like he was not overly focusing on his initial feelings, while still fully acknowledging them, he was ready to understand and talk openly, accepted that we can never truly walk in each other's shoes. Just amazing reaction on his part, her however... well they are both textbook examples: he of what to do, she of what not to do.
If the first story is true, he should set her up a trust.
The third story sounds like she has a very toxic bff-coworker. It sounds like the bff-coworker is the one instigating all of this and putting words in her mouth such as "if you don't agree that's toxic masculinity" etc..
I almost wonder if that bff-coworker has her own crush on his wife and wants to *add herself to his wife's bucket list.. kind of like the situation in fargo season 1*
*Having a life threatening health emergency does NOT give you a FREE PASS to do WHATEVER YOU WANT regardless of how it negatively effects your life partner.*
They stood by you when it happened. They stood by you in good health and bad, like your wedding vows. *So why would you have the right to not uphold your vows/your word?*
He should have made that clear, and if she went through with it anyways he should get the hell out of that relationship.
The last story; I do see why they'd want the kids to know eachother. They're all half-siblings, and if they don't get the opportunity to meet them & choose now, they might never forgive the parents for missing that opportunity later in life.
Just because some people wouldn't "see the need" to meet their half-siblings (weird opinion, imo) many people believe family comes before all else, me included.
Blood is thicker than water.
Also, even though the dad doing this was extremely shitty, he's still both the biological dad for both sets of kids, plus the only dad they've ever known. So they shouldn't try to keep him out of the childrens' lives, either.
@jonslg240
While I agree family should come before all, the family you are born into is not always worthy of that. Which is why your quote makes so much sense but I believe not in the way you meant. The full quote is “The Blood of the Covenant is Thicker than the Water of the Womb".
The family you choose, the relationships one builds as you live life, this whole bundle of children, which can come to care for one another in time- that is what matters. But only if they choose that connection. There is no guarantee that they will continue this and they should not be forced to do so. Forcing humans to interact with and/or stay together, only because of their blood relation, is a potential recipe for misery. Life is too short to be miserable always.
Concerning the father, it is wonderful the two families are getting along cordially but they do not need a betrayer at every get together only because he is related to them. If the kids want to continue a relationship with lying father, they can and should not be forced to stop NOR should they be forced to continue unless there is harm involved, on either side. IMHO
It really just hit me that this has been part of my Saturday routine for well over a year now
Wait- ITS BEEN A YEAR?! well shoot… didn’t even realise SOB
Literally dude. Absolutely crazy
SAME
Right! I had the same thought 😊
Me too!!😊
Story two: white is NOT the bridal color because it’s “pure” - up until about 150 years ago brides just wore whichever of their dresses were the nicest and that was that. It was only because of Queen Victoria wearing white to her own wedding that white became “the” color for brides. And it wasn’t meant to symbolize purity, but the fact that white fabric is the most difficult to clean and therefore requires a large staff of servants to maintain. It’s never symbolized of virginity, but wealth. If any color historically represents virginity, it’s blue, and that’s why thousands of paintings of the Virgin Mary have her wearing blue.
I’m not doubting your history but I’ve always been told that white is for if your a virgin, off white colours are for if you aren’t completely different colours are for if it’s a second marriage which still makes his opinion nonsense
@@BRACEwits i did my senior research project on victorian fashion and i can say that you are both kind of right! white was not extremely popular as clothing because it was expensive and hard to clean. queen victoria did popularize the white wedding dress, as well as black clothing (fashion icon tbh). however, white did represent chastity! off white colors such as ivory were also fine, and even sisters of the brides were expected to wear white. black was NOT allowed at weddings and even red was taboo to wear. but really, if you lived in a more rural area, especially during the industrial and second industrial revolution, you just wore your nicest clothes and so did the attendees.
some places u just wore your best clothing, but white did represent chastity and purity. it can be traced back to 509-27 B.C.
Idk about white but blue on mary I was taught (some random art history class) that she was ofter pictured in red with a blue cover to symbolize flesh shrouded in spirit and Jesus depictions were the opposite bc it was supposed to show him as a spirit shrouded in flesh. Just wanted to type it out bc it's one of the only things that stuck from that class lmao
@@Attic_Art that's really interesting!!!
Stalker story just dropped an update as of July 2024. To summarize: He confronted his wife about the file and she explained that it had to do with her own insecurity and wanting to please him and eventually just became like an addictive game. They’re now in counseling but things are still not okay between them.
Omg thank you!!
It's a shame he feels like he can't leave her because it may be a mental illness and she clearly has some issues but he also feels completely betrayed and that trust is now mostly gone. That update was really sad
holy fuck
I love you so much girl omg
Thank you for posting this!
Using cancer as an excuse to cheat on your spouse is maybe the most vile thing we've heard on this series.
Was immediately sick to my stomach
It’s honestly the same mindset as those people who use their status as a rainbow baby to do whatever they want
@@trashotaku what is a rainbow baby?
Reminds me of another reddit story, Op husband thought he was helping his wife by sleeping with another woman. Because his wife who almost died giving birth to their daughter that also almost died, didn't want to have sex with him while she was recovering. He had a child with that women and she allowed him to live with her, her children and his affair child.
@@HeatMiserr a child born after one or more previous passings of an infant such as miscarriage, stillbirth, ectopic pregnancy, etc
I can't believe how many "hall pass" stories I've heard of where someone always wants to sleep with someone on their level. Hall passes are for celebrities, people that you would literally never in a million year have the opportunity to get with, not for Bob from Accounting 💀
Or Jeff from HR
Exactly! It's like ok if the god Dionysus came down and wanted to party, THATS a hall pass. Not some random dude.
I just imagine like a half drunk dinner night with a couple and one person going "Ok, so who is your hall pass?", the other one going "Oh ok...Hm, 90s Angelina Jolie, maybe Irina Shayk? What about you?" followed by "Ah yea, Id get that...ehm...Ryan Gosling....Ben, our neighbour, Jeremy, the Whole Foods Cashier-", "Wait what?!" Seriously, thats not how this works. 😭💀
I get the point, and I agree. But "someone on their level" is very weird phrasing
@@caetanoallain7430 Yeah, I guess?? But it's true, you only say you want a hall pass for people you would never have a chance with (usually ones with a higher social status), not the people you work with 😭I understand their phrasing in this situation
arasha consistently has the most beautiful takes and shares her thoughts so eloquently she really is one of the best cast members on this show
I'm new to smosh, and it really blows my mind how good all the cast/crew are. Smosh must do a look of work nurturing that and raising each other. It's also crazy no one spilled the Shartney thing. Really speaks volumes on the work culture.
@@ChrisG_90the what thing?
@@_Crossiant_Perception_ Exactly.
Unless is it's about Ghyuliyette.
It all seems a bit put on, and fake to me tbh 😬
The irony of Nate and Paige saying how Owen is such a good kid but thinking the OP somehow wasn't a good enough parent is crazy.
It gave off a "single teen mom can't possibly be as good of a parent as we can" vibe. I know the OP isn't a teen now, but she was 16 when he was born and Nate and Paige seem really judgey.
yeah no im sure he just popped outta the womb like that
'money = good parents'.. that's what they thought. Disgusting
Spencer's comment was vile playing "the devil's advocate"
@@YTFlove4ever(apologies for the essay, i feel bad for not being able to express this thought in a way shorter manner lmao) i don’t think it was vile and i think he tried to say it as respectfully as possible. there are a LOT of reddit stories where people frame themselves as an angel and then later context comes forward that makes it clear they were painting the best picture of themself they could by omitting all of the most important factors. it’s also an insane scenario to believe could be possible.. that two grown adults would go “hey you clearly have everything handled and its tight but you’re managing. despite all that, give us custody of your kid” so i think in some way spencer is trying to find any sort of logical rationale as to why two people would jump to that conclusion.
especially if the kid is at their house all the time and they’re projecting onto him like he’s one of their kids, if he starts talking about how home isn’t great and he likes it there better, a stable couple might be like “man should we be worried”. but spencer does make note of the fact that if there’s more to the story and owen is actually unhappy, these people should do shit like offer financial help, NOT try to take custody away from his mom. i know what it’s like having friends who, while we were also pretty poor, were a lot worse off than my sister and i, and their parents were not good people. so they’d spend a lot of time at our house and in that way my parents basically took care of them as their own kids as well. spencer could be speaking from a place of having been in a similar situation or knowing people who have been in that situation.
i think he fully realizes that in no way is the correct solution EVER to go “let me adopt your kid”, he’s just trying to rationalize in the grand scheme of things what could possibly drive two people to propose such a fucking insane thing as if it were entirely normal and a logical course of action. all that said, i don’t agree with it. i think the mom was very open about her own struggles but how she’s doing as much as she can for owen, and i believe that to be the truth. i think these people are just crazy, flat out.
Yooo, the one about Owen is fucking crazy. Removing a child from their family home is incredibly traumatizing, even when it's done for a short period for a necessary reason. Even in cases of abuse where the government has to step in, removing the child is a last resort, not EVER "what's best for the child." Those people are disgusting, and have no clue what kids really need.
Genuinely fucking kids horror movie type shit. It's giving Coraline.
@@dustbunny6381they're rich people who want to buy Owen as a pet for their child
It genuinely sounds like human trafficking! It’s appalling!
@@dustbunny6381 well ,,, coraline was going to another world thru her own volition. and then the beldam took her parents and she had to go back to save them
@@kaitlynmorgan4613 I'm pretty sure dustbunny is referring to OP's comment about kid's horror movies.
The story about the family wanting the child is so scary. Thank god that mom had the foresight to tell everyone about the possibility of them taking her child.
I was playing this video while cleaning and my head snapped over when I heard uterine cancer. Mine was found later and I’m still battling mine rather than getting the hysterectomy since I’m only 27. Imma be so real. Fighting cancer doesn’t mean you get to hurt your partner. If you know it will hurt them to sleep with someone else to the point you don’t want to give your partner details on the person. Just stop. I’m ALL ABOUT doing everything you want to do especially after winning against cancer, but that doesn’t mean you get to do it at the expense of your partner.
I thought about you during the thir story, and made me realise how in the wrong she was
Hey Alicia, surprised to see you in this comment section. You were literally the first person I thought of hearing that story. I know how hard you've been fighting with cancer cause of your JoJo's series and I could never imagine that being used as an excuse to cheat. Neat to see you actually here and confirming with lived experience how unacceptable this is.
Hey Alicia, didn't expect to see you here :)
Also yeah, that story and woman is insane. Just burning all the bridges like she has cancer or something
Hope your uterus gets better
Praying for you and your recovery. Thank you for sharing your perspective as someone in the midst of that battle. As a cancer survivor myself I 100% agree- this woman is not at all in her right mind to think that it’s an excuse to hurt the man who stuck with her through the worst of times.
Story 2: I love how it’s basically written in the Incel Bible at this point “If the girl rejects you, call her fat and ugly”.
Also say she's miserable without you, that seems like something in those stories alot
@@jonathanbrooks9768 Don't forget "enjoy getting blown out by guys who'll leave you like you deserve."
Because that way, the loss is on her, not you!
@@the711devin4 On her?
@@jonathanbrooks9768and also “have fun dating Chad idiots”
In a posh english voice "Look William, we bought you a sad poor boy so you dont feel so alone anymore, go on, go play with your gift!"
Why do I hear the British couple in Brandon Rogers? 😂
"let us know when you're done and satisfied so we can seee what we can do about returning it"
it's also funny they apparently didn't say "charlie always wanted a brother", they said "WE wanted a brother for our son"
no fr, and what if the kids go through a rough patch or friend-breakup in middleschool? Are they going to keep Owen, as he's their son, just as much as the other? Or was he, at the end of the day, just an expensive toy for their Charlie? No fault on either of the kids here ofc, but you just know there's always going to be a power dynamic, manipulation, seniority, abandonment, pain. Absolutely entitled bullshit from the Wannabe-Adopters. Makes me wonder somewhat if they got rejected from a more formal agency of adoption or foster-care, or if those kids were "below" them. Idk, gross stuff. Glad OP was able to hold her ground and make arrangements. They may have thought they were doing the right thing, but savior complex does some insane stuff to your brain.
“JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE THE SAME DAD DOESNT MEAN WE’RE FAMILY” SHAYNE I NEEDED THIS AFFIRMATION! THANKS SO MUCH KING
I suppose it's more the two moms needing support from each other. The kids are grown and could probably find their own space.
Great to see you here, Athena. 😊
Omg this feels like spotting an actor or something at a random restaurant
That’s exactly what that means
The queen is here!!
The wife-with-the-secret-account is legitimately the most terrifying story I've heard on this series. That dude woke up to one life, and went to bed the same day to another. That's f'king bonkers.
I absolutely agree! I’m kinda shocked there aren’t as many comments about it because that is literally mind blowing. My jaw hit the floor, TEN YEARS?! That poor guy and his daughter! The wife obviously is unwell, but damn, that poor guy literally has 0 idea if he and his daughter are even safe with her. It’s crazy how fast your entire life can be upended.
Absolutely. That's literally like a horror movie. There is ZERO logical reasoning for that kind of behavior and if I was him I would 100% be worried for his, the daughter, and the exes safety. No chance would I be confronting her, that whole situation is so scary and I feel so bad for him.
I wonder if it’s a story that’s made up. Just seems like someone trying to make a story for Hollywood.
Yeah that's one where I really hope and immediate thought was that it's fake
@@allisonwatson5960 I'm with you on this, going through the comments I'm shocked there are not more reactions. I actually got goosebumps from this. and it's an unresolved story too.
Story 3: I had a boyfriend who was diagnosed with cancer early in our relationship. We were away at college so I became his primary care giver. Took him to chemo, helped him when he was weak, etc. about a week after we got the news that he was in remission, he told me he was done with me and already had a date set up that night. There was nothing I could do about it. A 4 year relationship over just like that. It hurt my confidence and I just felt I didn’t do enough.
Let her go and don’t blame yourself. If you’re not comfortable with her sleeping with other people just get out. It’s gonna be painful but you can’t change her mind. I’m so sorry.
Oh my God, I'm so sorry he used you that way 😔
As someone who is chronically ill and goes through periods of being extremely sick I can't imagine doing something like that to someone. Using them during my worst times as a caregiver and support and someone to lean on only to throw them away the second I'm doing better. That is unthinkably despicable, unthinkably cruel and manipulative.
gonna be the AH and say i hope it comes back
I’m still reeling that a couple had the audacity to ask someone “I like your son, can we keep him?”
It sends chills down my spine even thinking about it
the ignorance, the audacity and the insensitivity, it's crazy!
Like, I'd be kinda upset if someone was insistent on keeping one of my dogs because they liked them, I'd be livid if someone did that with a child of mine!
I've said it as a joke, but I hope it's never been taken as a serious comment. I've always followed up with a compliment to the parenting and an open invite to come over any time. If anyone has ever taken it seriously, I'd be mortified. It's definitely going to make me rethink.
Not even that. "We like this boy, he's ours now."
I love that Spencer is spending more time in front of the camera. Always a pleasure to see Arasha.
this comment is so wholesome and I 100% agree, but the way you worded it reminds me of a grade school teacher’s comments on a report card 🤭💕
love spencer lol he's great
Spencer is legit my fave 🥹
@@Maggs-lpRe-reading it, I totally see it, and I'm laughing so hard. Thanks for that.
What is it that Ian says? "Yall are a cool bunch" ?
You can’t just keep a random person’s child, THAT’S CALLED KIDNAPPING
dude the google account story is WILD, like that’s the first reddit story that i’ve legitimately wondered if they’re going to have to do a serious update where someone has been murdered, like that could 100% be the beginning of a true crime saga
I read that post when it was first published and some of the comments from the OP in the post, and honestly, I'm 99% sure it's fiction. The details didn't really add up. They're got married during the pandemic, but then OP says it took them a long time to conceive but they had a baby in 2023? Objectively, that is not a long time. Some of it seems to have been edited since I read it because I remember the stuff about tracking down outfits was more about the dude remembering how his ex used to dress, and it sounded very far fetched.
@@MorningAngel3 years is a VERY long time to try and conceive a child if you’re having trouble doing it, so I’m not sure what you mean there. And that’s your biggest evidence for it being fake?
@@MorningAngeldo you have other evidence? you’re using subjective reasoning but no objective details from the story.
@@tiffanymorgan1059 So what they read was either edited a bit or something, but they had gotten married in 2021 if I remember correctly, and had a child in 2023 (which includes the actual pregnancy.). It really wasn't that long. You can believe this story if you want, but as I said, I remember reading the comments from OP in the original post, and all of it really didn't add up.
@@stormcloudsabound I do not remember all the details off the top of my head, because it's been a while since I read it. I remember reading comments from OP in the original post, and it really felt like things didn't quite add up. I do remember it was a 2-year or 3-year Reddit account that had no other activity on it besides that post and those comments, which is honestly a tell-tale sign of people trolling AITA and OffMyChest for karma farming or whatever other reasons to make up stuff. It's fine if you don't believe me; I don't have time to go digging to build a case for this. There is some chance it could be true, but I've personally stopped reading some of these personal stories communities because there seems to have been an increase in narratives that are pretty out there (and there are tells from their profiles that they're just people trolling), and some posts now even have the tell-tale signs of being generated by AI.
I’m a woman with CP, and the most popular kid in school always defends me. Always. Not because I give anything in return, he’s just kind. He’s a good person. He has the most to lose by defending me, and yet he’s the only one. I’m forever grateful.
He sounds like a fair minded trustworthy person
People who are popular BECAUSE they're unwavering in their kindness are literally the coolest people. Gives the vibes of someone who has status but literally doesn't care if they lose it. Love above all else
@@connorwhite7120 I know. He’s just such a genuinely good person, just because it’s the right thing to do-
I’ve had the biggest crush on him for like five years-
@@Lucyfer_Morningstxr A CRUSH? You need to become friends with him pronto omg good luck girl I hope y'all date someday
@@dove2826 thank you 🤣 I’m working on the friend thing, we’re about to move onto our next level of schooling, and the place I’m going- he’s the only other person coming with me. It wasn’t even purposeful, there was a taster day, and I showed up at the reception, only to realise as I went to take my photo, that he was STANDING RIGHT BEHIND ME.
I’m genuinely hoping we can be friends bc it would just be nice to know like- ONE person.
My jaw is on the FLOOR over the stalking the ex story. She is ILL and the fact that she hid it so well for a decade is terrifying. When he mentioned they had a daughter my heart sank. His whole life just imploded. I hope there’s an update someday cause I NEED to know what happened
Could be BPD symptoms. She definitely needs help.
he says he is going to confront her gently while the kid is at a grandparents house. He has also contacted a therapist, and stated that the wife has shown obsessive tendencies before this.
There is an update. click the link and go to the OP name. scroll down and check out the update.
My theory for the "my wife is stalking my ex" is that she (the wife) was always obsessed with the ex
OP mentioned that the 2 of them kinda knew eachother but not like in a friends way, so i truly believe the wife was already stalkin the ex and "wanting to become her" since before she met OP and then, when she discovered OP was single again, went for him to emulate the ex
Oh my gosh, you might be right.😖If that's the case, I wonder if she fell in love with him. She continued to stay with him and have a baby even though the ex didn't.
With that said, I wonder if this is an identity thing, whether it be the issue in itself or a symptom of something like BPD. Because there is no way she has a sense of identity if she's able to slowly merge into who the ex is. Because this behavior is undiagnosed, personality disorder level type of thing, and if it truly that, I can only imagine what hell she lives in because, from my own experience, not having a grounded sense of identity is absolutely harrowing at times.
You hear the stories of an obsessed stalker going through the person's trash and taking like a toothbrush or other momentos. I'm not implying the ex is trash himself, but it really feels like his wife saw him as the ex's leftovers instead of like a person/love interest. Hopefully she's just doing it because she loves the OP and is trying to become what she thinks he'd want. Still not healthy and scary as heck, but at least comes from a place of seeing him instead of just a former possession of the Ex
It’s very “Snotgirl” by Brian Lee O’Malley and Leslie Hung
@@slsthewriter1299 it definitely reads as a serious mental health concern. It might even be something where with treatment and the proper supports in place, she will be a great partner and they can have a happy life. I worry for them right now, because of postpartum, and how that can affects serious mental health issues. Not necessarily her hurting them, although that might be a possibility depending on history, but her hurting herself. It's definitely a conversation to have with a professional and with family members.
As a kid i had a friend that basically lived with me. His mom was in the military and worked crazy hours and was single mom on top of that. We loved them both and saw them as family but NEVER and i mean never would we have tried to take him. Instead we saw issues with things like food and stuff and just helped. We help clean, maintain the house, tutor, babysit, and make meals. Thats the normal response to seeing a kid you love in a family that needs more support. We are actually still friends and his mom recently purchased a nice house and has been in a long term relationship with a lovely man and still thanks my mom for everything when we see her.
This is the true meaning of "it takes a village". If the couple in that story truly wanted to help, they should have been looking for ways they could have HELPED in an active way. Not doing everything in their power to try to upshow Owen's mom in this weird attempt to take her kid for themselves. They could have helped financially and stuff and those boys could have grown up being very close, and the family could have just decided to help and be a part of the village for Owen and his mom. But no. Baffling.
thats so sweet
57:30 Arasha talking about getting a secret apartment is so spot on. this was common for women to do in the past when they were able to get their preparations in order before leaving a man. many women in abusive relationships, especially with children, end up having to secure a getaway plan long before they can safely leave. this is good advice for anyone to take. get your ducks in a row to avoid the worst outcomes.
As a single mom I assure you people are so ready to swoop in to save your kid even if there’s nothing wrong. Not only that but predators are on the lookout for single moms and they love to offer to help. What a nightmare.
I'm so sorry you experience this, that must be so difficult, and you're so strong for putting up with it. Sending much love to you and your kiddo, mama ❤
That's nuts! I'm so sorry.
"We always wanted another son, but now we have someone for our son to play with"
They didn't want to adopt Owen, they wanted to buy their kid a toy
Ikr?!? That comment alone made me kinda sick 🤢🤮
What's really sad is that they could've had an extended family dynamic, but they obviously put more value on money than on the bonds we create as people.
to me it feels like they saw Owen as more of a dog/pet for their own son to play with....
And if they did end up having another kid. They would probably mistreat or neglect him because his purpose of “being the brother for their son” will no longer be his role. It creepy
That’s the vibe I got too
I was struck by how much that line is a common trope in horror flicks & psychological thrillers
I think that the families uniting in the last family is badass. Like the dude tried to have two different families but instead the families are now uniting and kicking him off and he's alone lmao. I think it's perfect. Even if it doesn't work out, I think it was a good idea to at least try.
I ship the two moms
@@J.Blazerthat would be an epic love story
The ex stalker one makes me question whether she's
a) stalking his ex because of her relationship with him, or
b) she's dating him because of her obsession with his ex
Whooaaaaa never thought of option 2 but that’s a whole new potential perspective
My OH thought B. But it didn't start till after they were together, and she already knew her before.
So at least it wasn't like 'I have her man✔️ her job✔️ her faith✔️ her hair✔️...' 😂 Still bonkers!
I literally came to comment this! Thank you! I feel like that consideration can change the entire outlook of that story. Really scary and dangerous either way. I’m really hoping that one was fake
@@laurenkoontz4950 exactly! It’s terrifying
@@SupergirlUKtechnically I don’t think we know it didn’t start until after they got together, we just know that’s when the photo album started 👀
what really got me is the “i thought we talked about this” girl no tf yall didn’t. YOU talked about this and when he (UNDERSTANDABLY) said no you straight up dismissed his answer. this woman is crazy😭
Shayne, regarding the last story of the "blended" family.. I have 7 younger half siblings, and I appreciate being able to have contact with them, and they feel the same. I feel it's up to the kids, and great of the moms for being open to it and encouraging it. Lots of AP don't want the kids to have a relationship, so this is wholesome to me.
It's fine if that's what they want but beyond that there's not really at all a necessity in any way.
In the 3rd story, the cancer didn’t change her mind to make her want to cheat. She had this man in mind already. She has always wanted him. The looming risk of death that came with the cancer diagnosis just helped her justify being selfish enough to follow through with what she’s always wanted to do.
this and the way she proposed the idea confirms it. she basically said "hey im not happy and I'm GOING to break our marriage but if you get mad youre the bad guy". INCREDIBLY planned out and manipulative
as spencer said it's walter white level lmao. "i did it for me."
🎯
YES, she also said she’s always found him attractive and him moving away is “the perfect opportunity” for her to act on the desire she’s always had… the cancer didn’t change her mind, it emboldened her
For story 3, there is another update.
The next day, when. OP gets home from work, he is confronted with his MIL, SIL, wife, and all his wife's female friends. It was an "intervention" for OP to stop being "petty". They ALL start screaming at him, calling him an asshole, saying he is toxic, that HE is in the wrong etc. etc. OP, knowing all their husbands/spouses, calls there bluff. Tells them that, if they think she is right, then they should have no problem with him calling all their boyfriends/husbands and telling them what they are all doing. They all pretty much keep quiet and back away as they all knew that their partners would not agree with them. I don't remember if he did contact the spouses anyway, but some of them did find out. He got a lot of supportive messages from them (I think some of the wife's friends begrudgingly apologised over text over the threat of losing their own relationships), and these relationships either ended or were suddenly hanging on by a thread. Either way, the update ended with OP now firmly being set on divorce.
To gather a group of women to attack him is absolutely INSANE. I think that OP’s wife just isn’t happy in the marriage anymore but doesn’t want to actually leave. Trying to get everything she wants. When someone has gone through a hard time, it absolutely does not give them the excuse to treat you horribly.
To be part of that low quality friend group is wild. I’d probably have problems just as a partner or friend of one of them. Like, “Who are these people you’ve surrounded yourself with, and who are you really?”
@@dflatproduction I agree. I think it's a classic case of herd mentality/halo effect where they all just assume that anything any member of group does HAS to be morally correct. It's just the most toxic group of people where nobody challenges anybody
Lmao I’m glad OP called the bluff, that sounds like a horrendous wife and friend group
someone get shayne on this one he would have a ball telling us next week
Have to confess we really liked this video
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Wait..can you guys be guests for an episode soon? ☺️
@@nannylegday5808I’d be OBSESSED if Dan and arin showed up omg
!! The Grumps !! ❤❤❤❤❤
my favorite channel watching my newest favorite channel 😭❤️
Thank you Shayne for naming the classism at play in the “we wanna be your kid’s guardians” situation - I think you’re totally right and it’s so important that we name these things when they crop up. You’re not gonna look like a boy who cried wolf! People so often overlook whatever is the most obvious. Kudos for that, mama. For spilling.
So often capitalism and classism is involved in pretty much anything, but people are so used to it being a seemingly unquestionable reality that it does not get brought up nearly enough. Mama, kudos for saying that. For spilling, indeed.
@@m00nrac00nkudos for spilling hahaha
Hi, cancer survivor from a huge battle here.
On one hand, there's a lot of psychological scarring from fighting cancer, confronting your mortality directly and understanding that life is a lot shorter than we think.
On the other hand, at no point did I ever think I should just live a consequence free life from now on. Do I take more chances and appreciate what I have now? Absolutely. Would I start sleeping around? No. That's nuts. Therapy helped me a lot, I feel like she could use it too.
Congrats on beating cancer
True I think it's more a mental health issue than anything else. OP also struck me as a ppl pleaser that is why he was contemplating going along with it. Ppl underestimate what the psychological impact of facing your own death does to some ppl. Even though they are now divorcing I still hope she finds some help. Nothing OP said makes me think this is how she was before.
I said it in my comment too, my mom fought and beat lung cancer. Her outlook and perspective changed a lot, but that truly amounted to her falling in love with dragonflies and just wanting to be with her family as much as possible. The idea that this woman decided she should be allowed to just do whatever, consequences be damned, because of cancer is nuts
Congrats on beating cancer! ❤ I mentioned this is my comment, too. There's a lot of trauma that comes with that kind of diagnosis. I was kind of wondering if, considering he said he was never worried about it, if he accidentally invalidated her feelings at the time. Especially since he said he's not very emotional, he may not have understood how much support she actually needed.
i think she probably had a psychotic break
I always love seeing Arasha in these! She’s so empathetic and rational, I wished she appeared in reddit stories more often.
Guy from the first story must have been visited by three ghosts the night before cause that's a CRAZY flip
Not really. All we know of him are things an acquaintance of his from over a decade ago, wrote from memory
Her work clearly helped him get into a college that he wouldn't have gotten into otherwise, and thus set him on the path to success. People remember that kinda stuff
So this was probably just a favour that he'd wanted to pay back for a while
@@melvinjoseph952 yeah but going from like kind of a bad person to a totally selfless person is crazy idk
@@felixtries This might've also just been a matter of pride for him. He no longer wanted to "owe" anything to that girl who helped him a decade ago
@@melvinjoseph952 yeah I can see that. Regardless, it's still a wild story to me lol
Maybe he did not see it as transactional. Perhaps he has also learned with time what he did was just the right thing to do, but she is the reason he's swimming in money.
Dude, the couple who wanted to "adopt" their son's friend are def the type of ppl who think The Blind Side was a tale of sacrifice and charity, and not the exploitation that we now know it was.
@frankcaggiano8282 I don't remember if there was a settlement or if they are still in litigation (I think they countersued). But I do remember the judge ended the conservatorship last year. I can imagine they all ended up being assholes (usually happens when money and power are involved)
@@BusinessSkrub because every lawsuit is fair and never goes wrong righttt
@@BusinessSkrub people have done crazier things for money in the long run. Very little is simply black and white as it's made to be. I'm sure they all benefitted, but the motives seem pretty sus.
@@BusinessSkrub
I cannot believe I have to say this:
Whether the justice system siding with you or not.... has nothing to do with how right or wrong you are. Sometimes, the system may go against you, no matter how right you are.
In fact, in case you haven't heard, many people around the world have little trust in the justice system... because they deem it unjust.
There's a story of an old man who accidentally stabbed a teenager after being hanged up on by a group of teens in a lake, causing him to be screamed at, shoved under water, etc all because he approached them trying to find his phone. They were drunk and the entire thing was caught on video. He was still sentenced to life in prison. Damn right the justice system is hot garbage@@daanachmad4032
I’ve been in a similar situation as Owen and his mom where everything was handled SO much better. My mother was a Special ED Prek teacher in a lower income area, so I commuted to school with her and went to their kindergarten while she worked. I became best friends with a girl in a very difficult situation where there was the possibility of homelessness. Her parents adored her but supporting her had become hard and since our families became very close we were able to take care of her. Because our families were friends, things were handled differently and we were able to support my friend without even considering the possibility of adoption. We are almost finished with high school now and are still best friends with one big group family 💛
With those crazy people trying to adopt then kidnap the kid for their son to have a playmate, if they have that much money, just do a Stuart Little and adopt a kid that actually needs a home. Not one that already has one.
*Spongebob rainbow meme*
ADOPTION
My take, people willing to kidnap a child should absolutely *not* adopt.
@@T.Florenz Facts... Once they don't think they "need" the kid anymore, who knows how that kid will grow up?
I feel so bad for Charlie in the future (hopefully) when he eventually learns that his parents are crazy and the reason his best friend as a child stopped coming over was because they tried to obtain him. It wouldn't surprise me if the parents twist what Charlie learns so he thinks they were in the right or that nothing happened, but damn imagine how shattering it would be to learn the reason your best friend as a child stopped being so close to you was because your parents tried to kidnap them so you'd have a sibling
@@T.Florenz They shouldn't have kids whatsoever tbh!
“I could never pull off having a secret to that level” *hard launches a wholeass marriage*
yo
There was also the time he pretended he was afraid of chimps because he knew they would try to scare him with one and then he had a whole villain speech prepared.
To be fair, he wasn't hiding that from the people in his actual life. Just us, with the help of a whole cast of people and editors. Not really the same thing haha
@@hernameispekka_Rebecca Also, even keeping a marriage secret from your friends until there is an invitation is not unheard of either. It's just not always something that people are comfortable sharing (but that probably applies more to introverted-leaning or more conservative-personalitied people)
@@disneydork100 tbf he knew exactly when it would come up
That third story about trying to 'adopt' that kid Owen was some Get Out level terrifying.
That ex stalker story is beyond bananas. Sounds like a visceral, deranged level of insecurity, and no sense of self. I hope this man and his child are safe, and this woman gets intensive mental care.
Agree. If there is an update I really hope I don’t hear about it on my true crime podcast.
@@siribrown_writerSame. We are a CourtTV watching fam.
3rd story: I’m literally recovering from a hysterectomy right now (not cancer but gender transition) and my partner’s support has me loving him even more. Him being with me and taking care of the stuff I can’t do has me feeling grateful and even closer to him. I cannot imagine going through all this and having my response be to cheat on him. Poor OP deserves better than a gaslighting cheater.
I’m so glad to hear that! In the future, I also want an hysterectomy for that reason so it’s nice to hear someone in that situation and recovering nicely with support
i’ve been going through some health issues over the last 6 months-multiple surgeries and probably more to come-and i feel the same way. my partner has shown up for me in ways i never expected and it’s made me appreciate and love him even more!
Arasha is always so eloquent and morally sound with her perspective. I love hearing her reactions on these Reddit videos ❤
queen of confessions, arasha "i lied" lalani, being in this video just makes sense
"If you're gonna lie about dumb things, make them funny at least" 23:42
Arasha totally slaps. Ask Anthony!
@@summerskull9379 yeah like booking a marvel movie
I'm still waiting for shayne and Courtney to walk in front of the camera and say "we lied" 🤣🤣🤣
@@kelliegilman2169 well they're actually married so it won't be happening, lol
The Parent's wanting to adopt the woman's son seemed extremely normal until the very end.
I even have a friend who we'd go to each other's houses, spend the weekend/holiday, etc. I even attended my friend's wedding and her mom told her and her sister "Why can't you be more like your sister" while pointing at me.
Those parents could have let their son have the best friend in the entire world, but completely blew by trying to take away some one else's kid.
Exactly!!!!
I think the reason, for me, why I did get red flags about it was simply because she seemed to be completely left out of it. Like surely as another parent is spending more time with your kid, so do you, but the fact that it didn't seek like she was getting any closer to them but Owen was? I think that's what made me hesitant off the bat. (But obviously she doesn't have that flexibility to get to know them so I also understand her not questioning it)
@@brusselspr9utYour last line answers your own concern, she didn’t have the capacity to get to know Charlie's parents at the same rate that her son did. She's *working* while Charlie's mom is a stay-at-home mother, so of course there's going to be more time for OP's son to get to know the parents than she ever does
@relic5752 No I get that for sure, I completely understand how her circumstances wouldn't have allowed her to see or interpret things that way, I was just commenting more so on @kylie7780's own similar experiences and adding why for me it felt a little different.
The story reminded me of a horror movie Paperboy. It’s about a boy who loved a family of a single mom and daughter so much, he tried to become her son. He would come to the house to make dinner, bake, clean when the mom wasn’t home, call her mom and kill anyone who he felt was a threat to him being a member of their family, including his own dad!
I love how Arasha analyzes various perspectives, she is so well articulated and empathetic, can't wait to see her in more of these!!
To quote Shayne from another Reddit stories, "Respect is more powerful than love." Without it, a romantic relationship can't last. Lies, deceit, disrespect, and overall tomfoolery are ingredients for a disastrous end to the relationship. If you can't show respect and dignity to your partner, you don't deserve to spend the rest of your life with someone. If the person isn't acting in a mean-spirited manner, be respectful towards them. Treat others the way you want to be treated.
This ain't a videogame where u got extra lives. You only have one life. Don't waste opportunities to be good. Live your life to the fullest with dignity.
Shayne, if you see this comment, you and the rest of the cast that appeared in these episodes have come up with such great quotes that we can take to heart. Keep it up! 👊
The third story is so wild I'm just really speechless rn. The man sounds really sweet and genuinely cares for her (obv bc they've been married for 20 years) but for her to TAKE AWAY the decision from him and asked for them to get back to normal after?? CRAZY. He's so much more patient than I would have in that situation.
Especially THE WAY she did it, claiming that she was "making it an easier process for him" by taking away his choice at all?? It's an old school method of abusive controlling behavior. To try to convince the other person that they are having their autonomy taken away from them for their own wellness is f*cked up in so many ways.
I do landscaping and one of my clients is extremely wealthy. My old truck broke down in his driveway and he helped put a down payment on a new truck. One day I showed up with a new m12 pruner sitting next to the shrubs he asked me to take care of. There's a lot of other things they've done which I'll always be grateful for.
based client
Listened to an episode in the car with my dad once, now he's fully invested and looks forward to stories every saturday
That's so sweet 😊
Top tier bonding moments
Idk what it is about this show, but it's one of the things me and my son bond over. We love Smosh reddit stories
That secret folder story is the first time I've seen anyone actually speechless in this show.
I think it’s really sweet and wonderful that the moms from the “dad had two families” story brought their kids together and want to hang out and spend time. It takes a very mature set of people to view each other with that much empathy
For the fifth story with the single mom, it sounds like she's doing a great job. I grew up poor with a single mom, and we were also put in daytime summer camps and rec centers after school when our mom worked, and those places were an absolute blast, even the ones in crappy cities/poorer areas. We didn't get a lot of gifts outside of birthdays and Christmas, but it made them feel more special honestly. The lady in the story took extra shifts because she knew her son would be staying at a good friend's house, and it was so she could get him the bike and other he had been wanting. The fact that her son is described as sweet and respectful really shows she raised him well. The idea that this family wants to take her son away is insane. As an 8 year old I would have been devastated at being taken away from my mom, no matter how many gifts I got. That's so entitled and classist to think that this kid can't have a happy life since the mom is poorer than them.
This is legit one of the most bonkers episodes ever. Like, every story is a full on "hol' up, WHAT!?!?!"
As someone with half siblings I’ve never met, the only reason I’d want to meet them is so I don’t accidentally meet them on a night out, start dating meet their parents; they say “hey dad here’s my new partner” and I’m just like, “Dad?”
100% exactly this
Confession: While touring sites in NYC I sat in the confessional of The Basilica of St. Patrick’s Old Cathedral. Someone else must’ve mistook me for a Priest entering the confessional and sat in the one beside me and began UNLOADING the sins of his life before I had a chance to comment who I was. I listened for a good five minutes before I finally spoke up and said I wasn’t with the church. The guy RAN out of that building so fast. I’ve never told anyone that story out of respect for that guy because he unloaded some REALLY deep stuff and I didn’t want people prying for info.
Well now I gotta ask, what did he say?
I personally would’ve just pretended to be a priest and just let the guy have a moment
Yeah, the entire time I would have been thinking about what I’ve seen in movies and what a priest might say back if anything to the person. I’d try a bit of a grizzled version of my voice too.
All you gotta do to quell his thoughts "I see my son. Reflect on what you told me and say 5 hail Mery prayers."
@@emmawoods7310 See, you think that but in the actual moment when you’re hearing some messed up stuff being confessed, you don’t really think to do that.
FATHERS WEEKLY REDDIT STORIES ARE HERE!!!!
🤣
Papa grew his beard out 🧔
I’m so excited to read the funny pages out of papa’s paper
THE TIME IS UPON US, ARISE WATCHERS TODAY IS THE DAY!!!! 🤲
WE THANK YOU FATHER FOR SUSTENANCE
The whole red dress virginity story, just makes me think about like why does anyone ever want to display on their wedding day what they’ve done or haven’t done with their genitals, very very odd
i love when arasha is on, she always takes it so seriously while still being funny and she’s so articulate
You took the words from my mind. I love her so much
When she spoke about the woman in the first story speaking graceful and eloquently, my first thought was 'honey that's you!!'
First story sounds like the guy either got therapy or he found some good influences and has grown as an adult. As long as it’s genuine we love to see it.
And why would she not accept it, and see it as payment for services provided to him?
His intentions as a young student were obviously not great, but it seems like he’s had time to reflect and realize he wouldn’t have the same life without her help. Whether or not he had therapy in order to come to that conclusion, I think that’s amazing ❤ I wish more people would give credit where credit is due
@@naylas3908because she didn’t feel like she needed the money, nor did she want to take it from him. it’s very common in a lot of cultures to never accept gifts without giving something of equal value
@@Grim_sights also some people use money as a form of control/leverage. that doesn't *seem* to be the case here, but it's way more common than people realize.
And it's good to remember that we want to promote people to grow into better people - teenagers are not usually the best versions of themselves yet (no judgements really, it's a rough time for everyone!) I'm glad they both found closure and success in their lives
Y’all should a episode of like unexpected endings, or bad endings or just people fumbling the bag. An interesting change of events type of theme
I've been the Owen, almost. And my mom choosing me was the biggest thing. Having one parent who has already abandoned you and then seeing another do the same would destroy him. My life growing up wasn't easy either but now at 28 I'm so grateful to all that my mom went went through to raise me herself. It made me feel wanted, not a mistake, not a burden. But like someone's child. Not a toy, as you said. A person.
omg the stalking the ex and the adoption story are both TERRIFYING, I could totally imagine full on horror films coming from them
and the last story reminded me of an uncle that died and all his THREE families found out about each other at the funeral, men are crazy like that
OH MY GOD can u imagine??? Mourning your father/husbands death and finding out he had TWO OTHER FAMILIES??!! how do u even begin to unpack that
I feel so bad for Charlie in the future (hopefully) when he eventually learns that his parents are crazy and the reason his best friend as a child stopped coming over was because they tried to obtain him. It wouldn't surprise me if the parents twist what Charlie learns so he thinks they were in the right or that nothing happened, but damn imagine how shattering it would be to learn the reason your best friend as a child stopped being so close to you was because your parents tried to kidnap them so you'd have a sibling
Saying men are crazy like that is a disservice to the majority of men that are not like that
@@3ExtraLives "not all men" yet it's ALWAYS MEN doing that kinda stuff, so as a man i think i can say men are crazy like that :/
@@3ExtraLives "majority of men are not like that" yeah, sure grandpa... now let's get you to bed.
These truly are my favorite videos. They are just long enough that I'm able to get some chores done like dishes, and still able to watch and be interested enough. Shayne really is such a great host.
I can understand why the families came together. Both of those women are going through the same thing and their kids are also going through the same thing. It's an incredibly traumatic experience and they're boding with the people who will best understand how they're feeling. They were screwed over in one of the worst ways but they also ended up with a supportive network and hopefully they help each other get through this and move on.
Whitch story
Arasha and Damien are probably the best spoken guests on this series. Logical and empathetic advice that is really well put.
Man, damien looked wierd in this episode!
It's honestly so refreshing (and kinda funny) the guys mom took his fiance's side in the second story. It feels like so often on here that the guys somehow get everyone on their side so seeing someone take the women's is refreshing and kinda hilarious in a way... Can you imagine getting your own mom into something and her just being like "lol no, you're dumb and wrong. You wear red, dummy."
As someone from Philly, “no drama in Philadelphia” is the funniest thing I’ve heard today
It's always sunny in Philadelphia, apparently.
Ya'll murdered Hitch-Bot, you maniacs! 🤖💀
@@Sabbathtage listen, I’m innocent
is it truly drama free? give us some insight
I *visited* Philly for a weekend and it's the funniest thing I've heard today, lmao
I have a insane addiction to listening to these reddit stories 😭
no literally. felt so empty after catching up and having to wait a week for more 😞
I caught up a couple months ago and I'm hoping to keep up with it! Have good day homie 😎
No fr this is my second weekly Reddit story podcast after two hot takes
Me too
So glad to see Aarasha and Spencer on this! We always need more Spencer on camera, and Aarasha’s depth perception with these Reddit stories is always off the charts! it’s really nice to see what’s otherwise a complex emotional problem being analyzed with such care and well rounded perspectives :) thank you to Shayne and all crew and editors and everyone who works on these and makes them happen!
The fourth story is so haunting and scary. The realization OP had must have been terrifying that he essentially was still with his abusive ex in a way.
Dude, when I was getting out of the military my Biological mom said she could adopt our daughter for benefits if I didn't find a job.
To give some context, this woman abandoned my brother and I at home while my dad was at work. He won custody and we had supervised visits until I was 8 years old, she also only every paid $60 in child support for both of us. I was so mad and scared, you would have to kill me to become a guardian of my child. Literally
I love having Arasha on these shows, she's just so well spoken and versed with all the topics.
1st story: the person with the money was also a kid when in school and the brain isn't really fully developed until around 25, so I feel like there should be a little more grace here. The fact that he went out of his way to find this person is more than what most people seem willing to do.
That brain thing is not scientifically supported. It's just what people on Tumblr say
Even looking at it as a true quid pro quo relationship, the fact that the guy stood up to bullies is still an impressive feat. Sure the tradeoff of homework makes it not altruistic, but even with incentives I doubt many people would stand up to a bully. I know they certainly didn't when I was in high school, and I doubt that's changed much.
I agree especially considering most people don't go out of their way to stand up for the right thing especially when you're a child, teenager. Also it was a mutually beneficial situation, it's not like he said you've gotta sex me & I'll protect you. It was like you're doing the homework anyway, just copy it & change a few things & I'll watch your back...
Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. She should excep everything he has go offer if he us doing it with a sane mind with no expectations or loopholes.
Right. Also, who says he wouldn't have still protected her if she had ignored the notebook? Unlikely, but possible.
I don't understand why they say he owes his success to her doing the homework. Doing homework is what trains your brain to be disciplined and make smart business decisions in the long run. You can't become a body builder by making somebody else lift your weights. How did he pass tests in school if he never practiced anything? This is what makes me doubt the whole story, it doesn't make any sense.
Using cancer that you recovered from, as an excuse to cheat, is just vile. That woman and her friend are just flat out bad people. The husband seems like an amazing man and deserves so much better.
On the second family story, i grew up with siblings all over the country. We knew eachother the whole time, and we were close, but one kid was from an affair my dad had, and i only ever saw her once. Bringing the families together is a hugely good move for those kids, because it is killer to know you have siblings you've never known.
3rd story: I think it was important he saw her walk away with her co worker because I think there was a possibility she would lie and try to say she didn't go through with it.
Possibly, but tbh it didn't sound like she cared enough about his feelings to lie. She was just going to do whatever she wanted and expected him to roll over and deal with it because cancer.
Agreed. I think it helped it sink in that it was real and it was just as seedy and gross as his intuition told him it would be. He saw her with his own eyes make the choice and nothing she can say can rewrite that image.
Walking to to your significant other and saying "i know you don't want me to cheat on you so I'm going to do it anyway so you don't need to worry about it" is INSANE
I always appreciate Arasha's ability to hold awareness of potential context and complications of the other half's perspective of the situation and the way she's able to express it.
Arasha and spencer is such an underrated duo, i loved them in culinary crimes together
I actually think the first story is really sweet. I think he is growing as a person and she made enough of an impact that he never forgot her. From personal experience, sometimes the things you do that seem insignificant mean the world to other people, and him paying her back now that he is able is beautiful to me
Exactly. Obviously the three of them I don't think have witnessed bullying first hand otherwise their opinion would have been different. No one stands up for you for fear of being the next target of the bullies. The fact he did that, even if it was for what amounts to a quid pro quo relationship is still more than most people will do in that situation. The fact that years laters he attributes his success to OP doing his homework shows that he's a good person, and was a good person back then.
In regards to the cancer hall-pass one, some people have commented updates below, but yes - he is totally right to leave her. I had a near-death experience that totally changed my outlook on life and so I do understand her panic, however, that doesn't mean 'hurt people without consequence'. Of course she can do whatever she wants, but he can also choose to leave her.
Also, I’m not trying to downplay cancer (of all things!) but it was as mild as cancer could possibly be. It wasn’t like she was stage four and came back from the brink or something. That story reeks of “looking for a reason”. Especially since she already knew who she was going to pick.
The third story reminds me a lot of my parents. A similar thing happened with them; my mom cheated, obviously my dad was upset, and then my mom tried to pretend like everything's ok and everyone should just forgive and forget. It's incredibly frustrating to deal with someone who shows such narcissistic displays as they truly believe that they camnot do any wrong and that everything is someone else's fault. I'm just glad that the guy in the reddit story finally left his ex wife and didn't mention having any kids to see that toxicity. I hope he's happier now
Shayne didn't get the full story. They have a daughter apparently. The daughter seems to want them to stay together. She's mentioned in the 2nd update.
@@wil2560in the last update I saw, the daughter is on OP’s side
I was thinking the whole time through the story the way she worded things....screams cluster b disorder, as someone whos been abused by a person with one. the blame shifting, emotional blackmail, plotting but also impulsivity... yeah.
The story about adopting the OP’s kid is weird as fuck. Before I heard the update, the alarm bells were ringing that the rich parents may try to kidnap OP’s kids AND I WAS RIGHT. So scary.
I honestly love hearing Arashas genuine thoughts, she's one of my favorite guests because she's so eloquent and takes every factor into account
Spencer always makes such good points too
Shane
first story is like a wattpad romance story like hes fallen in love with her over this time and realized all this guilt over how he did kind of force her to do his work and now feels the need to pay her back since yeah he wouldnt be where he was if he hadnt done that and now he just wants to care of her like i feel like ive read this story before of like, "i did something bad to you once before and now the guilt i feel makes me care for you and now im falling in love with you" i literally have read a story or even a manwha with that plot point
The only thing missing from it that would truly cement it as a Wattpad OR Manwha plot would be that the story starts with someone buying someone else at an underground auction lol
@@yoyohayli omg noooooo lol
Romantic Guilt: The Awakening
Yeah no that was definitely a fake ass story lol
I feel like he had a crush on her from the beginning and the homework thing was just an excuse to have more interaction with her
That third story with the wife post cancer is really alarming to me. She clearly enjoys the security of her marriage. He's accommodating, caring, communivative, supportive of her trips, demands, etc. She wants to hold on to all of that as much as she can while still being a MASSIVE pos. The absolute audacity to ask they go back to normal?! She deserves nothing, least of all him
30:58 oh my god the whiplash from awful insecure guy to the most innocent and supportive man is heartbreaking
I think the hesitance in that first story comes from how easy it would be to use those gifts to manipulate her, and given that she has been through what she had, it is a not-so-difficult leap to see the potential, here, as well. However, we being the precursors of our own destinies, sometimes these acts are legitimate, and done with a good heart. His openness is what sold me, not just with his willingness to share personal details of his own life, but moreover his willingness to be communicative, at all. Like she said, she wanted to have a hand on the wheel, and he never once denied her that. An absolutely grand gesture, to be certain, but not veiled in manipulation at all. I think those are just two excellent people, exuding their humility. What an awesome story, I wish the best for both of them.