Isayama and Eren: STILL Two Sides of the Same Coin? (Bad Boy, Shingeki Fly & NY Times)
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- Опубликовано: 20 июн 2024
- A look at Attack on Titan series creator Hajime Isayama and his relationship with Eren, post end of anime. Covers the interview with Eren, Shingeki Fly, AoT Volume 35 & Bad Boy.
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Sections:
0:00 Isayama and Eren
0:35 Context
1:27 Interview with Eren
3:42 NY Times Interview
8:24 Bad Boy
10:38 Shingeki Fly
12:30 The Future
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was thinking about this recently, how isayama said he was controlled by eren and we see eren controlling/manipulating others characters like grisha, kinda trippy - aside from that great video as always bro
I agree, the extent to which a writer's work can imitate aspects of their own life is crazy. Thanks for the continued support!
6:00-6:15 That is so meta! Wow that makes me love the AoT project even more.
Im glad Im not in the manga fandom scene, because as an outsider who doesnt really watch most animes (I don’t really like basic shonen anime tropes), I consider AOT as a phenomenal piece of fiction, including the ending. The number of AOT analysis on RUclips feels uncountable at this point. I treat AOT as a subjective art of the creator in which I as a viewer am invited into their head to see their perspective, rather a piece of media in which its sole purpose is just meant to please consumers. Neon Genesis Evangelion is another anime which I adore, because it has a similar feel to it. Both momentous piece of work which I have no doubt will remain remembered for years to come.
Thanks for the goat content about one of the goats . Your videos analyzing authors compared to their art is always incredible
Thanks a lot! I'm glad the series is proving to be enjoyable, I'll keep them coming!
Leaving the comment so the video reaches more people
Truly love this content around this amazing series
Thank you!!
I would love to see you do a video covering Togashi
He's on my to-cover list!
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It's ironic that becoming a better person rendered him unable to create the art that made him famous. Good for him though.
Great video for (one of) the greatest show(s). will check out the One Piece vids as soons as I'm at Egghead (Thriller Bark currently)... got them in a playlist already so i dont forget
That's great to hear, thank you! Hope they're just as enjoyable (if not more)
Why do people hate AoT so much?
Anime fans sometimes miss this aspect of the industry: imagine waiting 10+ years every week for the epic conclusion. Spending countless hours and money on merchandise only to find out the main character they loved so much is psychopath killer. Some people have tattoos of Erin yager BTW being anime only makes it worse when you find out lol not to mention you get to know the characters and world insanely well after so long only for it to quickly change into something of a diffeeent tone, take, out of left field. Or characters completely changing their entire reason for doing what they were doing. isyama made some of the worst mistakes a writer could make when it comes to how you treat your characters. The ending of AOT felt like if JRR Tolkien decided to make Frodo just keep the ring at the end turn into Sauron and kill everyone at the end of lord of the rings. Just like why? It’s not edgy and it’s a lame setup. Erin dies a virgin cuck that didn’t learn anything about life and the rest of the characters just have their endings pulled out of thin air. I’ve bought a lot of manga in my life and I must say collecting the hundreds of dollars of AOT boxsets are my only regret and I literally have a $200 trigun volume. I felt disrespected by isyama honestly like he thought I was dumb the way he wrote the ending. Like I didn’t read his story forever and just would accept anything. That’s why.
@@tooruoikawa8985 that's what makes him MORE interesting. He's a complex protagonist who speaks to the nihilism of the modern age, but people dumb down the message as Isayama just being "edgy". I kinda get it because many anime fans are fairly basic and enjoy the plain Jane shonen tropes. Which is fine but for someone like me who is more interested in deeper, complex stories, AoT scratches that itch.
This is why I like anime to art more than just the consumerism attached to it. Many people want the Marvel/Disney approach to anime, while veterans who have been watching since the 90s love more sophisticated characters. Eren's turn and Isayama's explanation makes it more interesting.
This is why I don't identify with modern anime fandoms as much. If the story isn't simple as One Piece or is anymore nuanced than Death Note, then they get turned off. It's lazy consumerism IMO. In a world where almost every show ends with a happy ending, Isayama dared to defy that and tell his story as he intended
Because the ending was awful
@@matten_zero just because the ending wasn’t happy is not why I didn’t like it. You ignored everything I had to say just and assume I treat it like Disney or marvel ? Yoy must have missed the part where Anime is literally inspired by Disney and Otaku culture has inspired Disney not the other way around. Stautes prize figures all that stuff is popular because of otaku. What isyama did was not unconventional at all. A story doesn’t have to be happy to be done right. Historia went from being a major part of the story and got a happy ending and was my favourite character but she’s just like married to some random farmer and has nothing to do with the rest of the story anymore? The character that made most sense to kill was Levi as a story writer and he made it! Throwing your whole theory of it being well written out the window. You can figure out the ending of a well written story because IT MAKES LOGICAL SENSE. Giving Erin Omnipetant powers over eveyone and the ability to live in every dimension to influence himself in the past present and future is just plain terrible writing. It’s schlock garbage . And then basically changing the characters motivations at the end is basically admitting that either Isyama was lying to us from the beginning to make his story make sense (which you never do as a writer) or he pulled most of what happened out of his ass and tried to fit it into an ending. How is this story that deep? I don’t get it it. Each character is literally an archetype? Like you think Mikasa is good writing? Mikasa is literally some of the worst character development I’ve ever seen. What was Mikass story arch ? Who the f knows you can continue to use your own head cannon for this cause it’s non existent. Zeke they could have just killed him earlier and the whole thing would have ended. There was nothing deep about the charecters as soon as you think you know them isyama writes them as an archetype. Not to mention in the manga you can literally see the bell curve of how much he actually cared. At volume 20 you get peak art then as soon as you hit the next few volumes it’s like Isyama gave up and didn’t want to draw anymore. Like you spend 5 volumes giving the guy the chance to get better like Muira or Araki after time but then it’s like…… WTF he drops off. Anime itself isn’t the art, it’s the product IMO. The manga is where the art is really fleshed out. Not saying one is better I’m saying the protocol is obvious: make a great manga with awesome style, get it animated in Korea or China for little money and sell merchandise! That’s the circle jerk of otaku culture I’ve been apart of for 25 years it’s how it goes. Just because isyama drew some cool weapons and genuinely interesting peripheral tools doesn’t make his story that deep. It’s all window dressing and the story doesn’t stand up to multiple reads. Once you know Erin is only using the death of his parents to trick everyone into following his lead to his predetermined genocide why do we even care about all the other motivations? Why do I care who lives in the smog after he dies? And Mikasa walking all the way home ? Like across the world in record time? And like her being by a tree and a dove flying by representing someone’s freedom after they just murdered half the world? PSYCHOTIC. The author does not know how to write women they are all one dimensional and objects for men… shit at least casca is the way she is because she was literally used by the god hand over and over! The book reads like an uncles wet dream. I’ll never forget reading the line “thank you for becoming a mass murderer for us.” LIKE WTF does that even mean! That’s not a poor translation btw it is in fact the exact translation Isyama wanted. Armin is hilarious as a charecter he just speaks and gets what he wants! Erin loves his voice apparently cause whatever he says he does… everybody apparently in AOT listens to him. Why? WE DONT KNOW. But we know other stupid stuff no one cares about to make readers feel like they are getting a story. I’ll put it to you like this, Isyama should have pitched the idea and cowrote it with someone else because his work shows everything about him. His personality transcended the book and when you have a personality like his it’s not one everyone is happy to court or reexperience. I read a lot of regular books and I had to read 3 after this manga to get my mind off of how insulted my intelligence was for getting into the manga for so long. I can’t make you see the story how I do, so if you like it more power to you. But I refuse to recommend this series to a single soul knowing how wretched the author is towards the readers. I felt terrible after reading. You cannot convince me after 8 years of being into the manga and reading that it is better than it is. You cannot replace the memory I have of rereading the last few chapters unconvinced that what I was reading was real
Only to find out it was. Attack on Titan actually really made me take a hard look at my 750 volumes of manga I own and ask “is this the type of soulless brainless writing I want to experience.” Then I read Meditations by Marcus Aurelius, Unfished tales by JRR TOlKien and 1984 only to then reread 20th century boys so I could remember what the hell good writing is like. My opinion is alittle more nuanced and than “don’t treat it like marvel…. It’s complex art!.” And I promise it’s informed on my own real life experience traveling the world and reading lots of books, not a regurgitated RUclips opinion. Oh and to further prove my point about not understanding how to write women in a story filled with women, like wtf is Historia In love with a monster that R@p3s her?knowingly? Like talk about a low bar for women. Like I understand that can be a dynamic but not for a chapter like Historia who actually has convictions and is arguably the closest to a well written charecter Isyama has, but no the authors own terrible low opinion of women and how they react inspirations shines through and we go from having one of possible the most awesome charecters to literally one of the worst endings for a charecter that was not deserved. It’s all poorly written. If his art was like next level or really something I’d cut him more of a break, but he can’t draw anatomy well which is why he focused on drawing ugly stuff all the time. At some points I asked myself early on , “how is this published professionally? Compared to other peoples work?” And I STILL gave it a chance as I saw it progress. But then he sullied that around volume 20 and literally regressed in drawing style and articulation of movement and hands and feet. It’s weird and you can tell the guy was probably going through a lot mentally and would have been better off developing it more or being do writer. IMO. That was my experience with it after years of being part of the community.
@@matten_zero and actually NGL once piece is a masterclass in story telling. The if you haven’t been keeping up I won’t ruin it for you but I’m sorry Oda is a master at setting up really complex stories and making them weave in and out for years, idk how you think one piece is simple unless you’re talking about Netflix version. Evey charecter in one piece has real character progression. 25 years in and people are still suprised by the story . Just because his art is whimsical and often reductive to keep up with his every week release it’s still amazing style and the story itself is far beyond anything Isyama could write just based on how he handled AOT. Can you imagine a writer of Ichira Odas callliber writing that Luffy decided at the end of one piece to kill all the Marines and give the all blue to his crew ? Or maybe just off himself and the straw hats because it’s EDGY? No. It would be awful. Sometimes story writing is a lot more complex than it’s made out to be and that’s a sign of a good communicator and story writer. At the end of the idea a story is an author relaying his ideas to the world in the most understandable coherent way as possible, and AOT is a mess.
I legit can’t reread AOT knowing how it ends. I love rereading works all the time like 20th century boys or Gantz, but AOT is just god awful
I find Naoki Urasawa quite interesting and he's actually on my list of mangakas to cover, courtesy of another viewer's suggestions. I'm hoping to get it out before the end of Fall
@@CorvuSphere Nice! looking forward to it :D you definitely got a viewer right here for that one! I appreciate the time you put into your vids and research. its awesome and as someone who reads manga as a hobby everyday its nice to get the backstory of the authors and fill in some of the blanks of what i was thinking about the authors or work lol anyways thanks for the content!
Get over yourself already, shits been over for years now
I get what you mean, I always wonder about what aspects of the author are reflected in the work (which I guess is obvious from my content lol). Thanks for the support!
Your Video and Research is top notch... 🤌💯
But please improve your thumbnails.
Thanks. Will you answer 3 questions for some more specific feedback? What about this (or any other vids of mine you've seen) made you want to click on it? What about the thumbnails made you NOT want to click on it? What is an anime RUclips channel you know that has very good thumbnails and why?
@@CorvuSphere 1- I am your subscriber & this video appear in my feed, But I not release that it's your video untill I see the channel name.
2- Because of the thumbnail colour combination, i thought it was some random video.
3- Chanels like Vocal Pineapple, The Masked *Man & Monitor Comics did the pretty good in thumbnail of your manga & anime education genre.
Ex- The Masked *man & Vocal Pineapple use eye catching colours (Gives the vibes of "it's going to be the exciting video about anime and manga")... And where as Monitor Comics use B/W... (Gives the vibes of "it's going to be the complete Manga Educational Video" )
This is good to know, thanks for the feedback!