As a revert of 4 years, The Journey Home was pivotal in my return & became a weekly must-see programme ever since. I missed out on 10 years of this wonderful apostolate so am very grateful that these shows are all being uploaded now. Thank you.
I recently went through a reversion of my faith. I was really questioning the Catholic church and my beliefs which is all I have ever known. I found The Journey Home on RUclips and absolutely love it. I love to hear how people have found the beauty of the Church and faith. Thank you so much for the show and helping me grow deeper in my faith. God bless!
I love the way you explain Dr. Scott Hann, very clear like spring water. Hopefully those who are anti catholic will come home to the Catholic Church ..
I'm a revert after 40 years in the protestant churches. I read and studied my way back home. I had no idea I was part of some sort of phenomena. I just finally obtained enough humility to be teachable by God. The first time I took communion after 40 years, I nearly cried. If Catholics knew what protestants are missing and really need, perhaps they would be more bold in sharing the faith with their protestant neighbors. sadly, many cradle catholics don't even know what a privilage they have and just how full our church is. Read you Catachisms, and read your bibles oh fellow Catholics. YOUR missing out also.
Full of what? Rote ritual? A demand that one accept he authority of the Pope, another man-made creation not in the Bible. Acceptance of Papal Infallibility?.
Colonialpara all biblical, just not seen by protestants. your bibles are missing 7 books to start with, and "once saved always saved" is a man made invention.
zebb1111 You mean the Books of the Apochrypha? Only the Catholic and Orthodox Churches use them. Most biblical scholars do not believe that they are divinely inspired and therefore should only be considered "historical works" rather than scriptural. One things the Lutherans got right is their doctrine of "sola scriptura," i.e. through scripture alone. That is how I interpret what I should do, not because some priest, bishop, cardinal or Pope told me how I should think, behave or act.
Colonialpara protestant scholars are not "most" scholars. the apostles used them and quoted profusely from them. do your research. how can the seven spirits before the throne of God make any sense without Tobbit, or the only passage that calls the Messiah the son of God, in Wisdom of solomon chapter 2. go read them for yourselves and dont let some beer drinking monk 1500 years after the fact tell you different.
@9:45 Marcus asks what is the underlying thread of why a protestant minister would convert to the Catholic faith. Scott answer is indeed profound. For myself it was a matter of truth. As a protestant I always approached the scripture from the standpoint of, "What is Truth?" Once one discovers the truth of a matter in theology it then becomes a matter of obedience or disobedience. I found that the scripture opens itself to those who come to listen and obey. Jesus said I Am the Way, the Truth, and the Light, no man comes to the Father except through Me. Thus I accepted a motto of Truth comes to those who are willing to accept it regardless the cost. I lost a lot of friends and that is understandable. What I have gained is a deeper friendship with Jesus Christ that I never though possible. When I am asked if I have received Jesus as my personal Savior I simply reply yes, let me tell you all about how to experience Him according to the bible.
zebb welcome home I know what you mean I was a Baptist raised anti Catholic scripture led me home in 1995. We know the treasure the Church is so much joy and riches. I was in a Catholic Church that had Bible studies. When I became a Catholic in Attleboro I went to a missionary priest that was having Bible study at LaSelette Shrine it was great. I know some Catholics who have Bibles and read them. We can in live show them prophecies and fulfillment. Many Catholics obey truths of Church but don't find out were it is in scripture and it is. I have also seen in faithful Catholics a kindness and holiness . I have been in Church for twenty years. My relationship with Jesus is deeper I knew I had to obey his commands John 6 51 55 John 20 19 23 Matthew 16 18 on and on. tis wonderful
Protestantism by its name alone is "protesting against the Church of our Lord Jesus Christ the Catholic Church. ALL of our protesting brothers and sisters miss that out; to look into what it really means by the word itself. They should have gone in-depth to re-search and ask "why are they called "Protestants?". Because if I were them, I would have spent plenty of time to do some research and asking "why am I called a protestant" and look deeper into it and ask "where did the name start from and what year was it first emerged and what does it mean to be called a protestant.That will reveal nothing more than the Truth about the Catholic Church and I believe that was what Dr Scott Hahn did and finally ended up meeting the truth and then became a Catholic himself? There are millions of them out there like Dr Scott Hahn. Now!!! see how GOD, the Head of the Church works miraculously in doubters hearts and minds. Welcome Home Dr Scott Hahn. Inspiration is the "word" for your conversion testimony and I want ALL protestants to hear what Dr Scott said and follow suit while there is time....
I happen to be an Episcopalian and we have much of the same "rote ritual" that that Roman Catholic Church does and I don't really care for it. I know why Protestants are called by that name and the origin harkens back to Martin Luther and John Calvin in the 16th century when these theologians "protested" the abuses of the Catholic Church and its man-made devices such as indulgences, heresy trials, priestly and bishop abuses of power and so on. Back then, it was only priests who read the Bible and interpreted it for the masses because it was in the Latin Vulgate (which most lay people had not been educated in). Luther, Calvin and Zwingli led people to understand their faith through the publishing of the Bible in their native tongues, conducting the services in their native languages (rather than Latin) and explaining that they were saved by "Grace" rather than by works. We Protestants also learned that there is no such thing as Purgatory and we don't need to pray to dead saints to intervene with God on our behalf. We know that our relationship with and acceptance of Christ as Our Lord and Savior is a personal one and that we do not need the intercession of a church hierarchy to have that relationship. For these reasons alone, I could never be a Roman Catholic and I believe that all of the people here, formerly Protestants or some other denomination who found their way to the R.C. Church fell in love with the ritual and majesty of the Roman Church's ritual, rather than really examining what their personal relationship with God through Christ should be. As I grow older, I realize that I do not need the weekly ritual of the Episcopal version of the Mass and that through Bible study and prayer, as well as fellowship (sans the ritual) with other Christians that I can develop a fuller and richer relationship with God.
Colonialpara not to mention luther gutted 6 books from the bible because they didn't support his narrative... and he divided Christ's church, when all he needed was to hold true to his vows and faith which he didn't.
+Colonialpara Can you calmly step back and look at what is happening to you? Look at the forest as well as the trees.The original Protestants ripped off about 1/3 of Christ's Church and flung it out into never ending division. The Anglican Church accepted some of their theological errors but kept the facade of a Mass. Now you are going further away because you are buying the falsifications you listed above. Note this please: The Sacraments are all in the bible and Christ commanded them of us. Which would bring us closer to Him. Not doing them or doing them? St. Augustine loved 1 Cor 3 to point out Purgatory in the bible. If you look up in the Catholic Catechism, Purgatory, you will find a description of 1 Cor 3. Yet you say it is man made? The only reason you say it is man made is you believe people who tell you you are "justified by faith alone." Yet the only place in the bible we see those words together is in James 2:24 "you see how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone." Yet you believe an Augustinian Monk who broke his vows 1,500 years after Christ?What does the bible say about those who break their vows to the Church? "Don't enroll the younger widows (the first Nuns) because they are breaking their vows, thereby condemning themselves." The apostles gave us the liturgy. This is historical fact and easy to prove. All the Churches the apostles founded in the world do some version of it. 22 or so Eastern rite Catholic Churches and the 11 Autocephalous Eastern Orthodox Churches, as well as the Western Rite, the Roman Catholic Church. These Churches have meticulous records going back to the apostles. How does Christ want us to worship Him? All these Churches believe in the communion of saints and all believe Christianity is a mystical faith around the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist. What is it Christ wanted? He said He would always be with His Church. He said he would build His Church. Do you believe him?
Jim, you're trying to use reason and facts to sway colonialpara. The problem is not with him having a sincere desire to know what is true and follow truth. The problem is spiritual. His 'journey' as he describes it is deeper and deeper into pride and self-sufficiency - the sin of Satan. Colonialpara wants to be his own pope, his own authority, his own 'sole rule of faith' by pretending that the Bible tells him what to do, and that the Holy Spirit will guide him personally into truth - despite the experience of over 2 billion other fellow-Catholics many of whom say that the Holy Spirit led them into OTHER truths through reading the Bible. When a person - like Luther or Colonialpara - is deep in pride and self-sufficiency, declaring himself infallible in matters of faith and morals through his personal 'interpretation' of scripture - you are dealing with a problem of SIN, not reason. You can discuss with someone who is humbly seeking truth, no matter where it might lead him. But you can't discuss with sin; you can't convince pride, because pride makes people stupid, blind and hard-hearted in their own self-sufficiency. It's important to learn how to discern between someone who has a truly open heart for the Truth, and someone who is getting harder and harder into pride and self-sufficiency. If they are open, then discuss and reason with them. If you are looking at someone who is all about himself and ordering the world according to HIS desires and plans - even under the guise of being a 'Bible-believing Christian - then all you can do is walk away and pray for the person's soul. Only God can break through such pride - not reason. The fact is, we are made in the image of a God who is RELATIONSHIP, a Trinity of PERSONS in mutually-self-giving relationship, and we are NOT made for individualism, but relationship. NOBODY can have an exclusive, 'personal relationship with Jesus' - they've got a personal relationship with themselves and their phoney ideas about God. We cannot have God without being involved in his body, the Church. We must be in mutual self-giving relationship with the members of the Church, with our families, with strangers and THAT is the proof that we are in mutually self-giving relationship with Christ: by their works you shall know them. People who follow Colonialpara's path into deeper and deeper prideful belief in their own infallibility and their need of nobody, are modelling themselves on Satan, and living in an earthly image of hell - the ultimate loneliness and alienation from the Body of Christ.
NO TEMAS POR LAS PRUEBAS QUE TUVISTE. RECUERDA LO QUE DIOS TE DICE EN: Hebreos 12:2 PUESTOS LOS ojos en Jesús, el autor y consumador de la fe, el cual por el gozo puesto delante de él sufrió la cruz, menospreciando el oprobio, y se sentó a la diestra del trono de Dios. ROMANOS 5:1-21 1. Justificados, pues, por la fe, tenemos paz para con Dios por medio de nuestro Señor Jesucristo; 2. por quien también tenemos entrada por la fe a esta gracia en la cual estamos firmes, y nos gloriamos en la esperanza de la gloria de Dios. 3. Y no sólo esto, sino que también nos gloriamos en las tribulaciones, sabiendo que la tribulación produce paciencia; 4. y la paciencia, prueba; y la prueba, esperanza; 5. y la esperanza no avergüenza; porque el amor de Dios ha sido derramado en nuestros corazones por el Espíritu Santo que nos fue dado. 6. Porque Cristo, cuando aún éramos débiles, a su tiempo murió por los impíos. 7. Ciertamente, apenas morirá alguno por un justo; con todo, pudiera ser que alguno osara morir por el bueno. 8. Mas Dios muestra su amor para con nosotros, en que siendo aún pecadores, Cristo murió por nosotros. 9. Pues mucho más, estando ya justificados en su sangre, por él seremos salvos de la ira. 10. Porque si siendo enemigos, fuimos reconciliados con Dios por la muerte de su Hijo, mucho más, estando reconciliados, seremos salvos por su vida. 11. Y no sólo esto, sino que también nos gloriamos en Dios por el Señor nuestro Jesucristo, por quien hemos recibido ahora la reconciliación. 12. Por tanto, como el pecado entró en el mundo por un hombre, y por el pecado la muerte, así la muerte pasó a todos los hombres, por cuanto todos pecaron. 13. Pues antes de la ley, había pecado en el mundo; pero donde no hay ley, no se inculpa de pecado. 14. No obstante, reinó la muerte desde Adán hasta Moisés, aun en los que no pecaron a la manera de la transgresión de Adán, el cual es figura del que había de venir. 15. Pero el don no fue como la transgresión; porque si por la transgresión de aquel uno murieron los muchos, abundaron mucho más para los muchos la gracia y el don de Dios por la gracia de un hombre, Jesucristo. 16. Y con el don no sucede como en el caso de aquel uno que pecó; porque ciertamente el juicio vino a causa de un solo pecado para condenación, pero el don vino a causa de muchas transgresiones para justificación. 17. Pues si por la transgresión de uno solo reinó la muerte, mucho más reinarán en vida por uno solo, Jesucristo, los que reciben la abundancia de la gracia y del don de la justicia. 18. Así que, como por la transgresión de uno vino la condenación a todos los hombres, de la misma manera por la justicia de uno vino a todos los hombres la justificación de vida. 19. Porque así como por la desobediencia de un hombre los muchos fueron constituidos pecadores, así también por la obediencia de uno, los muchos serán constituidos justos. 20. Pero la ley se introdujo para que el pecado abundase; mas cuando el pecado abundó, sobreabundó la gracia; 21. para que así como el pecado reinó para muerte, así también la gracia reine por la justicia para vida eterna mediante Jesucristo, Señor nuestro. AL QUE VENCIERE Apocalipsis 3:21 AL QUE VENCIERE, le daré que se siente conmigo en mi trono, así como yo he vencido, y me he sentado con mi Padre en su trono.
I 'm a greek mother tongue speaker and I 'd like to ask how do you in your english language use the term ''evangelical christian'' and how the term ''evangelistic''?
ιορδάνης τσακμαλής Evangelical Christian means generally the Christian sects without authority hierarchy, more commonly understood as non-denominational but also is not limited to Baptists or Methodists and their sort under some definitions. Generally they are the more sola scriptural crowd who believe in the trinity at least. Evangelizing means sharing or preaching the faith or beliefs to others.
I pray for everyone to find their way home to Jesus' one Church- the Catholic Church. Reading some of the prior comment I noticed that some thinks that there is some kind of man-made conspiracy... And yet their response is that "I" believe this "i " think that...always about the "me,myself and I mentality. Unless YOU are God...your theories are very much man-made or "I"-made too. Another thought, if God didn't want to make his relationship with us more on the "manly" level -meaning that he wants us to continue to use our human aspect then why did He become human....if we can just close off society and have a personal relationship w him and only Him then why come down...He could have done that in heaven with the swish of a wand? His Church serves the purpose of unification...humanity and a whole not u in ur own personal relationship... What might seem like lame non- inspirational rituals to you might be something very special to others and what u lack is made full by others....when do parents feel the most happiness and pride? When all their children get along and help each other out or when each child is only concerned with me myself and I? Don't like this about ur church? What can I do? Hmmm let's go make a new church...1st church of _________ (your name)??? As original as it might sound...its not there's been over 40000 before you.
Further down someone again starts spewing lies about the Cstholic church many of which are not even remotely scripturally accurate yet say they have nothing against cathol7cs but deny Christ's church and whom HE appointed to run it... the truth isn't convenient for this person so they deny Christ's commands and blame men for it... he will in the end accept responsibility for his words of denial
So glad they got rid of that black curtain with the fringe. Just AWFUL. What were they thinking of? Looks like you're entering Madam Zora's Astrology and Fortune-telling Parlour.
First of all, Jesus did NOT found the Roman Catholic Church - he founded the Christian Church. Nowhere in the Bible does it state that he founded the Roman Catholic, Byzantine Orthodox Church or any other. His church is based on him and NOT man-made creations of various denominations. Christians believe that salvation comes from grace through Christ's sacrifice on the Cross. Nothing more is needed than to repent and ask Christ into one's life as Savior. The RC Church is a man made creation and proves that the Roman Empire wasn't Christianized, but rather that the early church was Romanized. This is just Rome's propaganda.
Here we go again with...."no where in the Bible". Not everything is in the Bible. In John's 2nd letter verse 12 he wrote..."Although I have much to write to you, I would rather not use pen & paper; instead I hope to come to you and talk to to face to face , so that our joy may be complete." This is proof that the disciples did met with people & taught & left the people instructions & traditions that were not written down, but rather passed on by word of mouth. The Church was established first way before the Bible was ever written & compiled. The way the disciples teaches prior to their writing their books included "face to face, oral preachings & testimonies. "His Church is based on him and NOT man-made creations...." Who wrote the books in the Bible? Are they not by "man"?
etrnlygr8tful No it's not in the Bible and Jesus did not create the RC Church, the Lutheran Church, the Anglican Church and Communion, etc. These institutions are all man made. The ritual and the Catholic, Episcopal, Lutheran, Orthodox and other churches that place so much "value" on the liturgy are nothing more than man made devices. I know many Catholics, Episcopalians and Lutherans who probably get NOTHING from their weekly church attendance because all they do is go through the motions. I feel it myself now as an Episcopalian who is considering leaving the church due to the over emphasis on ritual and tradition and secondly as a result of the church's far leftward swing and stances, especially under the current Presiding Bishop, Katharine Jefferts Schori. I have nothing against the Catholic Church per se; I do look at it from a historical perspective, as well as what type of relationship I want with my Savior and I don't believe I need a Pope in Rome to tell me what to believe, how to believe and what Christ's intentions for my life are. The institutionalization of religion vs. a genuine and individual faith based relationship with God through His Son are the things I am coming to reject. As someone who was never a Roman Catholic, I don't believe it is home, nor would I be going home by becoming one. Therefore, I reject all of the reasons articulated here, as well as the slavish use of the term "Holy Father" by Fr. Tyson Wood, himself a former Lutheran minister. That comment alone was a huge turn-off. The only Holy Father I recognize is God in Heaven.
+Colonialpara it's not the pope who give the teachings, it's the church. 1 Tim 3:15..the church of the living God is the pillar and foundation of truth. You messed up man...And who are the member of the church? The pope and the bishops guided by the Holy Spirit that's why it can't teach false, wrong, heretical doctrines like the 40k + sects...
Colonialpara St Ignatius of Antioch, disciple of the apostles themselves in 107 AD wrote "Where the bishop is, the people are, where Jesus is, there is the Catholic Church"
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Thank you Mr. Scott Hahn for your testimony. Many people are inspired by your conversion.
As a revert of 4 years, The Journey Home was pivotal in my return & became a weekly must-see programme ever since. I missed out on 10 years of this wonderful apostolate so am very grateful that these shows are all being uploaded now.
Thank you.
gfreakj Great to hear brother!
Pretty cool, gfreakj and ***** -- it served as an encouragement as I was in my conversion process from Protestantism to Catholicism.
I was away from the Catholic Church for19yrs. The Journey home started me on my Journey back to the Church.
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Great to hear Diane. A lot of us out there owe EWTN a huge debt of gratitude.
I recently went through a reversion of my faith. I was really questioning the Catholic church and my beliefs which is all I have ever known. I found The Journey Home on RUclips and absolutely love it. I love to hear how people have found the beauty of the Church and faith. Thank you so much for the show and helping me grow deeper in my faith. God bless!
I love the way you explain Dr. Scott Hann, very clear like spring water. Hopefully those who are anti catholic will come home to the Catholic Church ..
I'm a revert after 40 years in the protestant churches. I read and studied my way back home. I had no idea I was part of some sort of phenomena. I just finally obtained enough humility to be teachable by God. The first time I took communion after 40 years, I nearly cried. If Catholics knew what protestants are missing and really need, perhaps they would be more bold in sharing the faith with their protestant neighbors. sadly, many cradle catholics don't even know what a privilage they have and just how full our church is.
Read you Catachisms, and read your bibles oh fellow Catholics. YOUR missing out also.
Welcome Home!
Full of what? Rote ritual? A demand that one accept he authority of the Pope, another man-made creation not in the Bible. Acceptance of Papal Infallibility?.
Colonialpara all biblical, just not seen by protestants. your bibles are missing 7 books to start with, and "once saved always saved" is a man made invention.
zebb1111 You mean the Books of the Apochrypha? Only the Catholic and Orthodox Churches use them. Most biblical scholars do not believe that they are divinely inspired and therefore should only be considered "historical works" rather than scriptural.
One things the Lutherans got right is their doctrine of "sola scriptura," i.e. through scripture alone. That is how I interpret what I should do, not because some priest, bishop, cardinal or Pope told me how I should think, behave or act.
Colonialpara protestant scholars are not "most" scholars. the apostles used them and quoted profusely from them. do your research.
how can the seven spirits before the throne of God make any sense without Tobbit, or the only passage that calls the Messiah the son of God, in Wisdom of solomon chapter 2. go read them for yourselves and dont let some beer drinking monk 1500 years after the fact tell you different.
I find the Journey Home an inspiration and education on the thinking of other Christians and what they are missing.
Exquisite !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It cannot be better. Thanks to Dr. Scott Hahn. Let us listen to him .....and act accordingly. God bless him.
I've been looking for this the first appearance! Thank You.
Also Looking and listening to Dr Scott Hahn. That you so very much Dr Scott Hahn and Marcus Grodi. God bless you both.
Thank you for posting this one!
@9:45 Marcus asks what is the underlying thread of why a protestant minister would convert to the Catholic faith. Scott answer is indeed profound. For myself it was a matter of truth. As a protestant I always approached the scripture from the standpoint of, "What is Truth?" Once one discovers the truth of a matter in theology it then becomes a matter of obedience or disobedience. I found that the scripture opens itself to those who come to listen and obey. Jesus said I Am the Way, the Truth, and the Light, no man comes to the Father except through Me. Thus I accepted a motto of Truth comes to those who are willing to accept it regardless the cost. I lost a lot of friends and that is understandable. What I have gained is a deeper friendship with Jesus Christ that I never though possible. When I am asked if I have received Jesus as my personal Savior I simply reply yes, let me tell you all about how to experience Him according to the bible.
zebb welcome home I know what you mean I was a Baptist raised anti Catholic scripture led me home in 1995. We know the treasure the Church is so much joy and riches. I was in a Catholic Church that had Bible studies. When I became a Catholic in Attleboro I went to a missionary priest that was having Bible study at LaSelette Shrine it was great. I know some Catholics who have Bibles and read them. We can in live show them prophecies and fulfillment. Many Catholics obey truths of Church but don't find out were it is in scripture and it is. I have also seen in faithful Catholics a kindness and holiness . I have been in Church for twenty years. My relationship with Jesus is deeper I knew I had to obey his commands John 6 51 55 John 20 19 23 Matthew 16 18 on and on. tis wonderful
'I want to be like my daddy" at the end was beautiful.
Also read Rob Bennet's Book The 4 Wittnesses about the early Church Fathers. My last step going to my youngest Goddaughter wedding..
Protestantism by its name alone is "protesting against the Church of our Lord Jesus Christ the Catholic Church. ALL of our protesting brothers and sisters miss that out; to look into what it really means by the word itself. They should have gone in-depth to re-search and ask "why are they called "Protestants?". Because if I were them, I would have spent plenty of time to do some research and asking "why am I called a protestant" and look deeper into it and ask "where did the name start from and what year was it first emerged and what does it mean to be called a protestant.That will reveal nothing more than the Truth about the Catholic Church and I believe that was what Dr Scott Hahn did and finally ended up meeting the truth and then became a Catholic himself? There are millions of them out there like Dr Scott Hahn. Now!!! see how GOD, the Head of the Church works miraculously in doubters hearts and minds. Welcome Home Dr Scott Hahn. Inspiration is the "word" for your conversion testimony and I want ALL protestants to hear what Dr Scott said and follow suit while there is time....
I happen to be an Episcopalian and we have much of the same "rote ritual" that that Roman Catholic Church does and I don't really care for it. I know why Protestants are called by that name and the origin harkens back to Martin Luther and John Calvin in the 16th century when these theologians "protested" the abuses of the Catholic Church and its man-made devices such as indulgences, heresy trials, priestly and bishop abuses of power and so on.
Back then, it was only priests who read the Bible and interpreted it for the masses because it was in the Latin Vulgate (which most lay people had not been educated in). Luther, Calvin and Zwingli led people to understand their faith through the publishing of the Bible in their native tongues, conducting the services in their native languages (rather than Latin) and explaining that they were saved by "Grace" rather than by works.
We Protestants also learned that there is no such thing as Purgatory and we don't need to pray to dead saints to intervene with God on our behalf. We know that our relationship with and acceptance of Christ as Our Lord and Savior is a personal one and that we do not need the intercession of a church hierarchy to have that relationship. For these reasons alone, I could never be a Roman Catholic and I believe that all of the people here, formerly Protestants or some other denomination who found their way to the R.C. Church fell in love with the ritual and majesty of the Roman Church's ritual, rather than really examining what their personal relationship with God through Christ should be.
As I grow older, I realize that I do not need the weekly ritual of the Episcopal version of the Mass and that through Bible study and prayer, as well as fellowship (sans the ritual) with other Christians that I can develop a fuller and richer relationship with God.
Colonialpara
Colonialpara not to mention luther gutted 6 books from the bible because they didn't support his narrative... and he divided Christ's church, when all he needed was to hold true to his vows and faith which he didn't.
+Colonialpara Can you calmly step back and look at what is happening to you? Look at the forest as well as the trees.The original Protestants ripped off about 1/3 of Christ's Church and flung it out into never ending division. The Anglican Church accepted some of their theological errors but kept the facade of a Mass. Now you are going further away because you are buying the falsifications you listed above. Note this please:
The Sacraments are all in the bible and Christ commanded them of us. Which would bring us closer to Him. Not doing them or doing them?
St. Augustine loved 1 Cor 3 to point out Purgatory in the bible. If you look up in the Catholic Catechism, Purgatory, you will find a description of 1 Cor 3. Yet you say it is man made?
The only reason you say it is man made is you believe people who tell you you are "justified by faith alone." Yet the only place in the bible we see those words together is in James 2:24 "you see how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone." Yet you believe an Augustinian Monk who broke his vows 1,500 years after Christ?What does the bible say about those who break their vows to the Church? "Don't enroll the younger widows (the first Nuns) because they are breaking their vows, thereby condemning themselves."
The apostles gave us the liturgy. This is historical fact and easy to prove. All the Churches the apostles founded in the world do some version of it. 22 or so Eastern rite Catholic Churches and the 11 Autocephalous Eastern Orthodox Churches, as well as the Western Rite, the Roman Catholic Church. These Churches have meticulous records going back to the apostles. How does Christ want us to worship Him?
All these Churches believe in the communion of saints and all believe Christianity is a mystical faith around the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist.
What is it Christ wanted? He said He would always be with His Church. He said he would build His Church. Do you believe him?
Jim, you're trying to use reason and facts to sway colonialpara. The problem is not with him having a sincere desire to know what is true and follow truth. The problem is spiritual. His 'journey' as he describes it is deeper and deeper into pride and self-sufficiency - the sin of Satan. Colonialpara wants to be his own pope, his own authority, his own 'sole rule of faith' by pretending that the Bible tells him what to do, and that the Holy Spirit will guide him personally into truth - despite the experience of over 2 billion other fellow-Catholics many of whom say that the Holy Spirit led them into OTHER truths through reading the Bible.
When a person - like Luther or Colonialpara - is deep in pride and self-sufficiency, declaring himself infallible in matters of faith and morals through his personal 'interpretation' of scripture - you are dealing with a problem of SIN, not reason.
You can discuss with someone who is humbly seeking truth, no matter where it might lead him. But you can't discuss with sin; you can't convince pride, because pride makes people stupid, blind and hard-hearted in their own self-sufficiency.
It's important to learn how to discern between someone who has a truly open heart for the Truth, and someone who is getting harder and harder into pride and self-sufficiency. If they are open, then discuss and reason with them. If you are looking at someone who is all about himself and ordering the world according to HIS desires and plans - even under the guise of being a 'Bible-believing Christian - then all you can do is walk away and pray for the person's soul. Only God can break through such pride - not reason.
The fact is, we are made in the image of a God who is RELATIONSHIP, a Trinity of PERSONS in mutually-self-giving relationship, and we are NOT made for individualism, but relationship. NOBODY can have an exclusive, 'personal relationship with Jesus' - they've got a personal relationship with themselves and their phoney ideas about God. We cannot have God without being involved in his body, the Church. We must be in mutual self-giving relationship with the members of the Church, with our families, with strangers and THAT is the proof that we are in mutually self-giving relationship with Christ: by their works you shall know them.
People who follow Colonialpara's path into deeper and deeper prideful belief in their own infallibility and their need of nobody, are modelling themselves on Satan, and living in an earthly image of hell - the ultimate loneliness and alienation from the Body of Christ.
NO TEMAS POR LAS PRUEBAS QUE TUVISTE. RECUERDA LO QUE DIOS TE DICE EN: Hebreos 12:2
PUESTOS LOS ojos en Jesús, el autor y consumador de la fe, el cual por el gozo puesto delante de él sufrió la cruz, menospreciando el oprobio, y se sentó a la diestra del trono de Dios.
ROMANOS 5:1-21
1. Justificados, pues, por la fe, tenemos paz para con Dios por medio de nuestro Señor Jesucristo; 2. por quien también tenemos entrada por la fe a esta gracia en la cual estamos firmes, y nos gloriamos en la esperanza de la gloria de Dios. 3. Y no sólo esto, sino que también nos gloriamos en las tribulaciones, sabiendo que la tribulación produce paciencia; 4. y la paciencia, prueba; y la prueba, esperanza; 5. y la esperanza no avergüenza; porque el amor de Dios ha sido derramado en nuestros corazones por el Espíritu Santo que nos fue dado. 6. Porque Cristo, cuando aún éramos débiles, a su tiempo murió por los impíos. 7. Ciertamente, apenas morirá alguno por un justo; con todo, pudiera ser que alguno osara morir por el bueno. 8. Mas Dios muestra su amor para con nosotros, en que siendo aún pecadores, Cristo murió por nosotros. 9. Pues mucho más, estando ya justificados en su sangre, por él seremos salvos de la ira. 10. Porque si siendo enemigos, fuimos reconciliados con Dios por la muerte de su Hijo, mucho más, estando reconciliados, seremos salvos por su vida. 11. Y no sólo esto, sino que también nos gloriamos en Dios por el Señor nuestro Jesucristo, por quien hemos recibido ahora la reconciliación. 12. Por tanto, como el pecado entró en el mundo por un hombre, y por el pecado la muerte, así la muerte pasó a todos los hombres, por cuanto todos pecaron. 13. Pues antes de la ley, había pecado en el mundo; pero donde no hay ley, no se inculpa de pecado. 14. No obstante, reinó la muerte desde Adán hasta Moisés, aun en los que no pecaron a la manera de la transgresión de Adán, el cual es figura del que había de venir. 15. Pero el don no fue como la transgresión; porque si por la transgresión de aquel uno murieron los muchos, abundaron mucho más para los muchos la gracia y el don de Dios por la gracia de un hombre, Jesucristo. 16. Y con el don no sucede como en el caso de aquel uno que pecó; porque ciertamente el juicio vino a causa de un solo pecado para condenación, pero el don vino a causa de muchas transgresiones para justificación. 17. Pues si por la transgresión de uno solo reinó la muerte, mucho más reinarán en vida por uno solo, Jesucristo, los que reciben la abundancia de la gracia y del don de la justicia. 18. Así que, como por la transgresión de uno vino la condenación a todos los hombres, de la misma manera por la justicia de uno vino a todos los hombres la justificación de vida. 19. Porque así como por la desobediencia de un hombre los muchos fueron constituidos pecadores, así también por la obediencia de uno, los muchos serán constituidos justos. 20. Pero la ley se introdujo para que el pecado abundase; mas cuando el pecado abundó, sobreabundó la gracia; 21. para que así como el pecado reinó para muerte, así también la gracia reine por la justicia para vida eterna mediante Jesucristo, Señor nuestro.
AL QUE VENCIERE
Apocalipsis 3:21
AL QUE VENCIERE, le daré que se siente conmigo en mi trono, así como yo he vencido, y me he sentado con mi Padre en su trono.
I 'm a greek mother tongue speaker and I 'd like to ask how do you in your english language use the term ''evangelical christian'' and how the term ''evangelistic''?
ιορδάνης τσακμαλής Evangelical Christian means generally the Christian sects without authority hierarchy, more commonly understood as non-denominational but also is not limited to Baptists or Methodists and their sort under some definitions. Generally they are the more sola scriptural crowd who believe in the trinity at least.
Evangelizing means sharing or preaching the faith or beliefs to others.
Thank you!
Is there one where Marcus is telling his story?
There is indeed. Think it is Karl keating doing the honours
Matt Zammit
I pray for everyone to find their way home to Jesus' one Church- the Catholic Church. Reading some of the prior comment I noticed that some thinks that there is some kind of man-made conspiracy... And yet their response is that "I" believe this "i " think that...always about the "me,myself and I mentality. Unless YOU are God...your theories are very much man-made or "I"-made too. Another thought, if God didn't want to make his relationship with us more on the "manly" level -meaning that he wants us to continue to use our human aspect then why did He become human....if we can just close off society and have a personal relationship w him and only Him then why come down...He could have done that in heaven with the swish of a wand? His Church serves the purpose of unification...humanity and a whole not u in ur own personal relationship... What might seem like lame non- inspirational rituals to you might be something very special to others and what u lack is made full by others....when do parents feel the most happiness and pride? When all their children get along and help each other out or when each child is only concerned with me myself and I?
Don't like this about ur church? What can I do? Hmmm let's go make a new church...1st church of _________ (your name)??? As original as it might sound...its not there's been over 40000 before you.
Pas Si Mal du tout!
Further down someone again starts spewing lies about the Cstholic church many of which are not even remotely scripturally accurate yet say they have nothing against cathol7cs but deny Christ's church and whom HE appointed to run it... the truth isn't convenient for this person so they deny Christ's commands and blame men for it... he will in the end accept responsibility for his words of denial
So glad they got rid of that black curtain with the fringe. Just AWFUL. What were they thinking of? Looks like you're entering Madam Zora's Astrology and Fortune-telling Parlour.
First of all, Jesus did NOT found the Roman Catholic Church - he founded the Christian Church. Nowhere in the Bible does it state that he founded the Roman Catholic, Byzantine Orthodox Church or any other. His church is based on him and NOT man-made creations of various denominations.
Christians believe that salvation comes from grace through Christ's sacrifice on the Cross. Nothing more is needed than to repent and ask Christ into one's life as Savior. The RC Church is a man made creation and proves that the Roman Empire wasn't Christianized, but rather that the early church was Romanized. This is just Rome's propaganda.
Here we go again with...."no where in the Bible". Not everything is in the Bible. In John's 2nd letter verse 12 he wrote..."Although I have much to write to you, I would rather not use pen & paper; instead I hope to come to you and talk to to face to face , so that our joy may be complete." This is proof that the disciples did met with people & taught & left the people instructions & traditions that were not written down, but rather passed on by word of mouth.
The Church was established first way before the Bible was ever written & compiled. The way the disciples teaches prior to their writing their books included "face to face, oral preachings & testimonies.
"His Church is based on him and NOT man-made creations...." Who wrote the books in the Bible? Are they not by "man"?
etrnlygr8tful No it's not in the Bible and Jesus did not create the RC Church, the Lutheran Church, the Anglican Church and Communion, etc. These institutions are all man made. The ritual and the Catholic, Episcopal, Lutheran, Orthodox and other churches that place so much "value" on the liturgy are nothing more than man made devices.
I know many Catholics, Episcopalians and Lutherans who probably get NOTHING from their weekly church attendance because all they do is go through the motions. I feel it myself now as an Episcopalian who is considering leaving the church due to the over emphasis on ritual and tradition and secondly as a result of the church's far leftward swing and stances, especially under the current Presiding Bishop, Katharine Jefferts Schori.
I have nothing against the Catholic Church per se; I do look at it from a historical perspective, as well as what type of relationship I want with my Savior and I don't believe I need a Pope in Rome to tell me what to believe, how to believe and what Christ's intentions for my life are. The institutionalization of religion vs. a genuine and individual faith based relationship with God through His Son are the things I am coming to reject. As someone who was never a Roman Catholic, I don't believe it is home, nor would I be going home by becoming one. Therefore, I reject all of the reasons articulated here, as well as the slavish use of the term "Holy Father" by Fr. Tyson Wood, himself a former Lutheran minister. That comment alone was a huge turn-off.
The only Holy Father I recognize is God in Heaven.
+Colonialpara Give me the facts as your historical basis. Bible, history/encyclopedia and etc....pls.
+Colonialpara it's not the pope who give the teachings, it's the church. 1 Tim 3:15..the church of the living God is the pillar and foundation of truth. You messed up man...And who are the member of the church? The pope and the bishops guided by the Holy Spirit that's why it can't teach false, wrong, heretical doctrines like the 40k + sects...
Colonialpara St Ignatius of Antioch, disciple of the apostles themselves in 107 AD wrote "Where the bishop is, the people are, where Jesus is, there is the Catholic Church"