One of the biggest misunderstandings people have is simple, they weren’t afraid of just Guilliman and the 13th, Horus knew GMan would bring ALL OF ULTRAMAR with him.
Angron was banished to the warp by Sanguinious by this time. Also, that the 13th and 1st were coming, meant that they had broken through the chaos powered sheild around all of the solar system. Chaos was abandoning Horus. He had to try and end the battle. Almost did too.
There's a REASON why the EMPEROR left Ultramar and never ask for "TAX" Cause GUILLIMAN is his ULTIMATE logistical TOOL remember GUILLIMAN had 500 worlds all good and able to produce war machines, food and soldiers Not even the Emperors BEST General can muster and hold 500 worlds Guilliman isn't the best fighter nor the flashy one but HE is without a doubt the BEST WAR COUNCIL If Perturabo is a walking command post GUILLIMAN IS the COMMAND CENTER
It is strongly-hinted that due to the amount of space/time/warp bull-shittery happening around Terra due to the war. The Ultramarines would never have been able to make it to Terra to assist simply due to 6 hours travel time by Gulliman in space could be 3 years time on Terra.
Terra couldnt afford a battle of attrition, the Emperor knew that, Horus knew that as well, but both side were getting desperate, which is why Horus opened up his flagship for them to board, and why the Emperor boarded it.
@@mediumsurmoon6283 I never understood why the Imperium can't just teleport nukes around. Just teleport a nuke on board horuss flagship once he lowered the shield, problem solved.
Kitten: my lord are you ok? Aren't you hating them the most? Emperor: shut up you walking banana. I am motherfooking Emperor I can switch my opinion however I want.
Horus never stopped bitching about his allies. Failling to see that what he admired from the brothers that didnt join him its exactly what made them loyal to begin with.
The Emperors Children basically left Terra untouched & better off after galavanting across Terra terrorizing everything in their chaos fog drug fueled rampage.
guilliman broke the legions not because he feared what any of his brothers could do but because he knew his legion would be the biggest and the strongest no one could stop him if he chose to become the new emperor
Ultramar had been hit hard, worlds razed, training centres devastated, half the Legion wiped out at Calth.,. And after all that Guilliman still Commanded a Legion bigger than any loyalist force! They didn’t fear his strategic acumen or skill with a sword, they feared him because with five minutes to rebuild he’d come at you with sheer overwhelming numbers!
Kinda shows you how incredible Rogan Dorn is at his job, with 1.5 legions (I dont count the khan as he doesnt really listen to orders lol) he was able to hold off the traitors for a LONG as fck time
Except the video ignores the fact that Horus WASN’T scared of Guilliman’s arrival. Horus was essentially invincible and the loyalist arrival would only have been a minor annoyance.
@@lazarnikolic8385did you even read the books? Because the video maker sure as hell didn’t. Horus was invincible. He was annihilating the Emperor and even if all of the loyalist primarchs were with the Emperor when facing Horus, it wouldn’t have made a difference. It’s only after Horus gives up his powers and the Emperor kills him that the traitors fall apart.
At the end of Siege : -Angron has been banished by Sanguinius -Mortarion has been banished by the Khan -Magnus has been banished by Vulkan -Alpharius was killed by Dorn -Fulgrim has leave the Siege -Perturabo has leave the Siege Horus has no more allies, no more traitors primarch at his side, he has lost many men. Its his final chance.
So Horus Heresy rebellion was a doomed venture from the very beginning. Traitors were crashing and bleeding themselves against a wall. Traitors knew no matter whatever they scheme whatever they ploy and whatever they do, storming Terra the capital of Imperium, home world of Humanity would be near impossible task for them, Terra which heavily fortified beyond the immaginations of traitors was defended was imperial custodes and mighty legions of Emperor, and other powerful legions like blood angels of Sanguinius etc who were grinding and bleeding down traitors to death with their stubborn resistance plus Guilliman who was bringing whole Ultramar with him as reinforcements. It was Horus's rashness and overconfidence who gambled more than the limit on the newly granted powers of Chaos how dumb. Also the last gamble when Horous decided to take upon Emperor one on one he really was so delusional that he thought he stood any chance against Emperor of Mankind. He literally hit his head upon the wedge of a sharp axe. Last but not the least Horus might have been a super powerful, furious warrior and primarch but as a commander, startegist and tactician he was pathetic. We can see this with his ventures and bad management of affairs of imperium and galaxy during his tenure as a War Master. He was literally creating a heap of mess rather than resolving everything while holding his command as a War Master. He lacked strategic and tactical insights and proper management skills so yeah it was expected. In these terms current War Master of Chaos Abbadon is more insightful and wise in these matters. Siege of Terra was Horus's failed gamble which though failed teriibly gave a fatal damage to Imperium of Mankind.
Which makes it all the more stupid that the big E decided to go and risk everything on a 1 vs 1 against a super juiced Horus. The attack was doomed even without the Ultramarines joining by the time they fought one another. If the emporer waited a few more hours the near entiretyof the Sons of Horus would've been wiped out and the emporer would've been able to freely fix the warp issues on terra, malcador would've still been alive and possibly even Sanguinius. I guess it's true that the big E is as stupid as the plot demands.
Russ gets manipulated by Horus. That's why he attack. Otherwise Magnus is cooked anyway. He will be imprisoned in the Golden Throne and his Legion disbanded. Read the books and than bring that dead meme.
@@iloveplayingpr Russ also left Terra to play chicken with Horus when he was needed on the throneworld. Then suffered catastrophic losses trying and failing to get the job done.
I love how Horus, once he and his brothers turned traitor, despises the brothers that turned with him. He states how much rather he would have wanted Dorn over Perturabo (which I think is not the issue here), or how he disliked Lorgar, Angron etc. and much rather would have wanted Gullimen, The Lion & The Khan.
They need loyalist AI lowkey. Imagine catholic terminators with the same intentions mendicant bias does in Halo. Compeltely abominable but were allowed to serve under the Lion because that dude already has the watchers in the dark to help around
while any legion would be concerning, especially if backed up by a huge regular armada ... I dont think he actually feared any of the remaining outside of the 1st and 13th The Space Wolves were shattered, Russ can be out played, and he would not be able to make full use of such a large force The Raven Guard were irrelevant at this point, and even if Corvus was in a state to take command his style did not lend itself to such a large force The Salamanders while an issue were without their Primarch to command them Same with the Iron Hands It was specifically because it was the massive Ultramarine Legion commanded by Robute who on a strategical level was most likely above even Horus ... and with the traitors command structure in disarray, there was little Horus could do to go outside of Robutes calculations Same with the Dark Angels while nowhere nears as large and logistically and strategically commanded as the Ultramarines, in warfare the Lion was considered Horuses equal with a large force at his disposal he would be able to utilize it fully ... This is why it was those 2 legions specifically he was afraid of.
I'd say anybody would be wary of the poster boys, plot armored Space Marines. Look at Malum Caedo, he slayed 6 greater daemons and a Thousand Sons Sorcerer. Look at Titus, Cato Sicarius, Marneus Calgar....who would not be scared. And also add their insane numbers counting at least 130000 marines between Ultramarines and successor chapters.
depends, Calgar got lucky from the SwarmLord even tho said SwarmLord just bitched slapped him so hard it's even hardly an inconvenience to the SwarmLord. 😂
I think you misunderstood Horus. His whole goal was to slowly make his way to terra, gathering all the chaos he could to help him. And destroying real crucial plants on the way to slow his brother's. He knew he wasn't going to win. He pretty much says it. Always buying time. He was relying on chaos and chaos to give him the power to win in at terra.
@@mcmarkmarkson7115 true of course. Also I don’t think the Lion could do what Sanguinious did to provide the emperor with the small edge to kill Horus. Now that I think about it the three legions I mentioned probly would’ve been the best choice to send to Istvaan 5
@@mcmarkmarkson7115 GUILLIMAN wouldn't need to 1v1 Morty numb nuts he would simply over POWER MORTY legion MORTY would have been a dead man walking What you failed to understand is that THE KHAN had to result to that because the KHANS legion were thin given they had their civil war and that was to buy time
YOU don't need to IMAGINE Remember I F the LION was present HORUS defeat was accelarated IF Sangiunis was there he would have already lost IF GUILLIMAN was there it would have been a lost cause and it would have been 1 sided beating by the Loyalist
i still don't get why they did not try to disintegrate the vengeful spirit once Horus lowered the shields.... They had for sure exterminatus nukes silos, useless on shields but probably very effective with inoperative void shield? Maybe it would not even be enough to kill horus but for sure wuold have provided a HP advantage to the emperor and also terrain advantage
The DA weren’t large at all. As per Dreadwing, the Lion has less than 45k under him by the time of the siege. The WB didn’t lose 100k around Ultramar. Nuceria wasn’t a daemon world and the DA blew that one up too. You get the name of Horus’ ship wrong as well.
Oh yeah dont forget even the four void gods toying with Blueberry armada.. Guiliboy is 9 hours late from terra before the emperor and sanguinis went for Horus.. Horus pretty much lucky if the void gods didn't try to slow down blueberry legion they'll know that horus is doomed faster then they can imagine
You forgot the fact that along with what was left of the space wolves also included a certain Leman Russ who was to put it bluntly even more fucking angry than normal...which is not a good thing for Horus. Had Russ been on the Bridge instead of sanguinious...well Emperor Chris would have been clearing up Horus with a mop and bucket.
Great comment . But read Saturnine and related novels, from HHeresy ... Its clear that , they were out of time. Both sides. Traitor legions were essentially to the throne room ( Where Malcador sat holding the webway together, barely. ) Gulliman was basically at Sol System. Horus , saw that even if they took the Palace. The Emperor could hide for decades in that labyrinth. Even if he was n Terra, Gulliman was going through smash his forces. It was ascend to Godhood by killing Emp for Chaos , or at least cause the Emp to fully drink from the warp to defeat Horus completely, I n which Apotheosis would happen , snd a new Chaos God be born. The Dark King. So yeah ... The Emp threaded the needle and maybe just forestalled the penultimate conclusion to humanity's fate
@@mcmarkmarkson7115We all would be afraid in his place, his brothers who “supported him” were all batshit insane, retarded, fuckass mad or straight up braindead
In regards to the first reason the Iron Warriors and Emperor's Children had left the siege.... Plus Horus was so juiced up on chaos it wouldn't have mattered. Only the Emperor could take down Horus blow for blow
Now tell me why, atthe end of the Heresy, being at full strength, the Ultramarines generated "only" 23 Chapters in the Second Founding. Horus Heresy is NOT canon.
He was more worried about the Blood and Dark angels, but it's logical, having to deal with an extra 3 full legions that are pretty OP is not a good day, I like how the blood angels were the only ones to get through the Warp storm while dark angels annihilated the traitors home worlds and the ultramarines did the least out of those 3
No Ultramarines literally fought of the remaining traitors whereas the other legions were almost out, the Ultramarine legion saved Dorne and his legion when Perturabo was about to make them extinct
@nutbug445 can you say from which book you got the number for thramas crusade, night lords fatalities as far as i know they are the only legion who didn't participate in siege of Terra
Night Lords were on Terra during the siege.. Lucoryphus of the Raptor Cult was the "first twice" first to land on the imperial palace & first to enter into the Emperors inner sanctum...
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Chaos forces wouldn't even get near the Custodes and Sisters of Silence. Ultramarines were the best at flexibility and the best in logistics, not to mention Ultramar was an Empire in itself. If Ultramar itself, the 1st Legion, and Wolves had been there, Chaos was already screwed from the beginning. Sure, the loyalists will still take a lot of casualties, but Chaos would lose the battle of time and attrition.
That isn't what the lore says. He was the Emperor's first creation in the primarch project. He was the first made and the testbed in which all of the others would follow. That is why he is the second best at most everything. The 1st legion had the same disposition.
@@Lycurgus1982Yup. 20 were not created at once. The Dark Angels were the prototype Legion and Lion the prototype Primarch. That is why despite his knightly appearance he has a feral streak that makes Angron and Curze look timid. No other Primarch spent their formative years alone hunting warp tainted monsters like the Lion did in the forests of Caliban.
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One of the biggest misunderstandings people have is simple, they weren’t afraid of just Guilliman and the 13th, Horus knew GMan would bring ALL OF ULTRAMAR with him.
Correction: not just Ultramar, he was Emptying all of Ultima Segmentum - Reason no. 5
@nutbug445 REALLY GOOD VIDEO! THANKS FOR THE SUBTITLES!
That would also tie up horus and the traitors, enough time for the lion and wolf to also show up and then horus would be truly boned.
He left around 20k of them behind.
From the EATD 3, RG’s armada didn’t seem as impressive as I’d expected.
Don't forget any shattered legionnaires he happens to pick up along the way.
Angron was banished to the warp by Sanguinious by this time. Also, that the 13th and 1st were coming, meant that they had broken through the chaos powered sheild around all of the solar system.
Chaos was abandoning Horus. He had to try and end the battle. Almost did too.
There's a REASON why the EMPEROR left Ultramar and never ask for "TAX"
Cause GUILLIMAN is his ULTIMATE logistical TOOL remember GUILLIMAN had 500 worlds all good and able to produce war machines, food and soldiers
Not even the Emperors BEST General can muster and hold 500 worlds
Guilliman isn't the best fighter nor the flashy one but HE is without a doubt the BEST WAR COUNCIL
If Perturabo is a walking command post
GUILLIMAN IS the COMMAND CENTER
We march for Macragge!
@@RobClaypool AND WE SHALL KNOW NO FEAR!
Things would have gone very differently for the Imperium if the Emperor just decided to sit on his ass and not board Horus' ship.
It is strongly-hinted that due to the amount of space/time/warp bull-shittery happening around Terra due to the war.
The Ultramarines would never have been able to make it to Terra to assist simply due to 6 hours travel time by Gulliman in space could be 3 years time on Terra.
Terra couldnt afford a battle of attrition, the Emperor knew that, Horus knew that as well, but both side were getting desperate, which is why Horus opened up his flagship for them to board, and why the Emperor boarded it.
The Ultramarines couldn’t reach Terra with all the warp fuckery going on.
That's what happens when the end of the story was written first thirty years ago.
@@mediumsurmoon6283 I never understood why the Imperium can't just teleport nukes around. Just teleport a nuke on board horuss flagship once he lowered the shield, problem solved.
I love that the lion went around burning home planets
Horus died soulless, honourless, weeping, ashamed.
Maidenless
@@ericknunez8069 And bald
@@MadMalkavian and foolish
When throwing yourself against an anvil, it's very dangerous to have a hammer hit you at the same time.
Exact;y what I was going to say.
@@kupper123 HERETIC!
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THOSE BLUEBERRY ARE ALMOST GREAT.
- TTS EMPEROR
Kitten: my lord are you ok? Aren't you hating them the most?
Emperor: shut up you walking banana. I am motherfooking Emperor I can switch my opinion however I want.
horus actually said that he wished the loyalist primarchs were on his side while complaining about the traiter primarchs.
Probably cause all of Traitor primarchs can be placed somewhere on the autism spectrum. Maybe with an exception of the Red dude.
Horus never stopped bitching about his allies. Failling to see that what he admired from the brothers that didnt join him its exactly what made them loyal to begin with.
The Ultramarines also have lots of pdf and auxilas which are highly trained!
We BADLY need a Horus heresy anime series!! I mean, like yrday!
The Emperors Children basically left Terra untouched & better off after galavanting across Terra terrorizing everything in their chaos fog drug fueled rampage.
guilliman broke the legions not because he feared what any of his brothers could do but because he knew his legion would be the biggest and the strongest no one could stop him if he chose to become the new emperor
@@warwolf88
Or because he applied his own rules to himself.
Pity Grimnar struggled with this concept.
Ultramar had been hit hard, worlds razed, training centres devastated, half the Legion wiped out at Calth.,. And after all that Guilliman still Commanded a Legion bigger than any loyalist force! They didn’t fear his strategic acumen or skill with a sword, they feared him because with five minutes to rebuild he’d come at you with sheer overwhelming numbers!
Kinda shows you how incredible Rogan Dorn is at his job, with 1.5 legions (I dont count the khan as he doesnt really listen to orders lol) he was able to hold off the traitors for a LONG as fck time
you are going to grow massively bro, well deserved :)
Its ai content tho lol
And now we have the Hammer and The Anvil back😏
Horus shivers at the sight of Rowboat Gorillaman's Massive Battle barge. 😅
This is the most comprehensive explanation of the end of siege of Terra! Excellent work Nutbug! 🤩🤯🤓
Except the video ignores the fact that Horus WASN’T scared of Guilliman’s arrival. Horus was essentially invincible and the loyalist arrival would only have been a minor annoyance.
@@apark91 How much invincible with Vengeful Spirit disintegrated in space when rest of the loyalists arrive?
@@lazarnikolic8385did you even read the books? Because the video maker sure as hell didn’t.
Horus was invincible. He was annihilating the Emperor and even if all of the loyalist primarchs were with the Emperor when facing Horus, it wouldn’t have made a difference.
It’s only after Horus gives up his powers and the Emperor kills him that the traitors fall apart.
At the end of Siege :
-Angron has been banished by Sanguinius
-Mortarion has been banished by the Khan
-Magnus has been banished by Vulkan
-Alpharius was killed by Dorn
-Fulgrim has leave the Siege
-Perturabo has leave the Siege
Horus has no more allies, no more traitors primarch at his side, he has lost many men. Its his final chance.
So Horus Heresy rebellion was a doomed venture from the very beginning. Traitors were crashing and bleeding themselves against a wall. Traitors knew no matter whatever they scheme whatever they ploy and whatever they do, storming Terra the capital of Imperium, home world of Humanity would be near impossible task for them, Terra which heavily fortified beyond the immaginations of traitors was defended was imperial custodes and mighty legions of Emperor, and other powerful legions like blood angels of Sanguinius etc who were grinding and bleeding down traitors to death with their stubborn resistance plus Guilliman who was bringing whole Ultramar with him as reinforcements.
It was Horus's rashness and overconfidence who gambled more than the limit on the newly granted powers of Chaos how dumb. Also the last gamble when Horous decided to take upon Emperor one on one he really was so delusional that he thought he stood any chance against Emperor of Mankind. He literally hit his head upon the wedge of a sharp axe. Last but not the least Horus might have been a super powerful, furious warrior and primarch but as a commander, startegist and tactician he was pathetic. We can see this with his ventures and bad management of affairs of imperium and galaxy during his tenure as a War Master. He was literally creating a heap of mess rather than resolving everything while holding his command as a War Master. He lacked strategic and tactical insights and proper management skills so yeah it was expected. In these terms current War Master of Chaos Abbadon is more insightful and wise in these matters.
Siege of Terra was Horus's failed gamble which though failed teriibly gave a fatal damage to Imperium of Mankind.
Which makes it all the more stupid that the big E decided to go and risk everything on a 1 vs 1 against a super juiced Horus. The attack was doomed even without the Ultramarines joining by the time they fought one another.
If the emporer waited a few more hours the near entiretyof the Sons of Horus would've been wiped out and the emporer would've been able to freely fix the warp issues on terra, malcador would've still been alive and possibly even Sanguinius.
I guess it's true that the big E is as stupid as the plot demands.
If only Russ didn't attack the Thousand Sons the Imperium would have two full loyalist Legions.
Russ gets manipulated by Horus. That's why he attack. Otherwise Magnus is cooked anyway. He will be imprisoned in the Golden Throne and his Legion disbanded. Read the books and than bring that dead meme.
@@iloveplayingpr
Russ also left Terra to play chicken with Horus when he was needed on the throneworld.
Then suffered catastrophic losses trying and failing to get the job done.
I love how Horus, once he and his brothers turned traitor, despises the brothers that turned with him. He states how much rather he would have wanted Dorn over Perturabo (which I think is not the issue here), or how he disliked Lorgar, Angron etc. and much rather would have wanted Gullimen, The Lion & The Khan.
imagine the big e not boarding horus ship, maybe sanguinious and the big e would still live and most likely all traitor legions abolished in one move
They need loyalist AI lowkey.
Imagine catholic terminators with the same intentions mendicant bias does in Halo.
Compeltely abominable but were allowed to serve under the Lion because that dude already has the watchers in the dark to help around
He would have feared any arriving legion since he would be trapped between thr defenders and releif force
while any legion would be concerning, especially if backed up by a huge regular armada ... I dont think he actually feared any of the remaining outside of the 1st and 13th
The Space Wolves were shattered, Russ can be out played, and he would not be able to make full use of such a large force
The Raven Guard were irrelevant at this point, and even if Corvus was in a state to take command his style did not lend itself to such a large force
The Salamanders while an issue were without their Primarch to command them
Same with the Iron Hands
It was specifically because it was the massive Ultramarine Legion commanded by Robute who on a strategical level was most likely above even Horus ... and with the traitors command structure in disarray, there was little Horus could do to go outside of Robutes calculations
Same with the Dark Angels while nowhere nears as large and logistically and strategically commanded as the Ultramarines, in warfare the Lion was considered Horuses equal with a large force at his disposal he would be able to utilize it fully ...
This is why it was those 2 legions specifically he was afraid of.
The name of Horus flagship is Vengeful spirit. Invincible Reason is Lions flagship.
I'd say anybody would be wary of the poster boys, plot armored Space Marines. Look at Malum Caedo, he slayed 6 greater daemons and a Thousand Sons Sorcerer. Look at Titus, Cato Sicarius, Marneus Calgar....who would not be scared. And also add their insane numbers counting at least 130000 marines between Ultramarines and successor chapters.
depends, Calgar got lucky from the SwarmLord even tho said SwarmLord just bitched slapped him so hard it's even hardly an inconvenience to the SwarmLord. 😂
I think you misunderstood Horus. His whole goal was to slowly make his way to terra, gathering all the chaos he could to help him. And destroying real crucial plants on the way to slow his brother's. He knew he wasn't going to win. He pretty much says it. Always buying time. He was relying on chaos and chaos to give him the power to win in at terra.
Very interesting. Big fan of the loyalist legions, particularly the Ultramarines.
Bruh
Also taking consideration how the traitor forces culled their own men loyal to the Emperor.
Imagine if it was the ultramarines, dark angels, and blood angels were the three defending terra
oh Chaos wouldn't even make it near the custodes
Idk Guiliman couldn't have done what the Khan did to Morty. And the imperial fists were in their element defending
@@mcmarkmarkson7115 true of course. Also I don’t think the Lion could do what Sanguinious did to provide the emperor with the small edge to kill Horus. Now that I think about it the three legions I mentioned probly would’ve been the best choice to send to Istvaan 5
@@mcmarkmarkson7115 GUILLIMAN wouldn't need to 1v1 Morty numb nuts he would simply over POWER MORTY legion MORTY would have been a dead man walking
What you failed to understand is that THE KHAN had to result to that because the KHANS legion were thin given they had their civil war and that was to buy time
YOU don't need to IMAGINE
Remember I
F the LION was present HORUS defeat was accelarated
IF Sangiunis was there he would have already lost
IF GUILLIMAN was there it would have been a lost cause and it would have been 1 sided beating by the Loyalist
i still don't get why they did not try to disintegrate the vengeful spirit once Horus lowered the shields....
They had for sure exterminatus nukes silos, useless on shields but probably very effective with inoperative void shield?
Maybe it would not even be enough to kill horus but for sure wuold have provided a HP advantage to the emperor and also terrain advantage
It was tried. Horus wouldn’t allow it, he was pumped with chaos juice.
The DA weren’t large at all.
As per Dreadwing, the Lion has less than 45k under him by the time of the siege.
The WB didn’t lose 100k around Ultramar.
Nuceria wasn’t a daemon world and the DA blew that one up too.
You get the name of Horus’ ship wrong as well.
Because he brought all 40000 warhammers with him.
Oh yeah dont forget even the four void gods toying with Blueberry armada.. Guiliboy is 9 hours late from terra before the emperor and sanguinis went for Horus.. Horus pretty much lucky if the void gods didn't try to slow down blueberry legion they'll know that horus is doomed faster then they can imagine
You forgot the fact that along with what was left of the space wolves also included a certain Leman Russ who was to put it bluntly even more fucking angry than normal...which is not a good thing for Horus. Had Russ been on the Bridge instead of sanguinious...well Emperor Chris would have been clearing up Horus with a mop and bucket.
I'll have what you apparently had.
@@Vlad-sj5yw You can try one, but frankly I don't think you can handle one 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Great comment . But read Saturnine and related novels, from HHeresy ... Its clear that , they were out of time. Both sides. Traitor legions were essentially to the throne room ( Where Malcador sat holding the webway together, barely. ) Gulliman was basically at Sol System. Horus , saw that even if they took the Palace. The Emperor could hide for decades in that labyrinth. Even if he was n Terra, Gulliman was going through smash his forces. It was ascend to Godhood by killing Emp for Chaos , or at least cause the Emp to fully drink from the warp to defeat Horus completely, I n which Apotheosis would happen , snd a new Chaos God be born. The Dark King. So yeah ... The Emp threaded the needle and maybe just forestalled the penultimate conclusion to humanity's fate
@@CalebFuel Alas I know....but in my head canon it's true lol.
He was afraid of the space wolves too
who wasn't he afraid of? :D
@@mcmarkmarkson7115 uh the iron hands!
@@frankcastle9691 prob would fear them too if they weren't massacred XD
1st Legion.
@@mcmarkmarkson7115We all would be afraid in his place, his brothers who “supported him” were all batshit insane, retarded, fuckass mad or straight up braindead
he wasnt scared, he just didnt want to get bored to death by girlymans crew
Robooty?😂😂 the video was 🔥.
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Emperors greatest mistake was doing that tbh
Those two 'Lost Legions' certainly helped to bolster the Ultramarine numbers
Fanfic.
In regards to the first reason the Iron Warriors and Emperor's Children had left the siege.... Plus Horus was so juiced up on chaos it wouldn't have mattered. Only the Emperor could take down Horus blow for blow
If a bunch of loyalist primarchs and the emperor jumped horus i doubt hed be interred on the throne today tho
Now tell me why, atthe end of the Heresy, being at full strength, the Ultramarines generated "only" 23 Chapters in the Second Founding.
Horus Heresy is NOT canon.
I like the fact that you pronounce "Roboute" as "Rowbooty" and "Rawbooty"
Man, there never was 80000 of Thousand Sons. Where did you get this numbers, or you just throw some random?
He was more worried about the Blood and Dark angels, but it's logical, having to deal with an extra 3 full legions that are pretty OP is not a good day, I like how the blood angels were the only ones to get through the Warp storm while dark angels annihilated the traitors home worlds and the ultramarines did the least out of those 3
No Ultramarines literally fought of the remaining traitors whereas the other legions were almost out, the Ultramarine legion saved Dorne and his legion when Perturabo was about to make them extinct
Found the guy who gets his lore from Facebook.
He wasn’t. No one is.
@nutbug445 can you say from which book you got the number for thramas crusade, night lords fatalities as far as i know they are the only legion who didn't participate in siege of Terra
Horus Heresy #9 Crusade
Night Lords were on Terra during the siege.. Lucoryphus of the Raptor Cult was the "first twice" first to land on the imperial palace & first to enter into the Emperors inner sanctum...
what happened next? keke
Well... Gundam gonna wipe horus like it was nothing.. and gundam himself gonna treat that was personal bussiness..
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Sorry to passing by fellow nerds (Mass Effect fan here). If Blueberries, Wolfs and Lionel lads had been there, how would it have ended? I maybe know 0,005% about WH 40K..I like your channel. Take care
Chaos forces wouldn't even get near the Custodes and Sisters of Silence. Ultramarines were the best at flexibility and the best in logistics, not to mention Ultramar was an Empire in itself. If Ultramar itself, the 1st Legion, and Wolves had been there, Chaos was already screwed from the beginning. Sure, the loyalists will still take a lot of casualties, but Chaos would lose the battle of time and attrition.
@@_spooT Sounds good. My thanks.
Ugh...custodes
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The lion wasn’t the Emperor’s “first born son”. That was just a number as all of the Primarchs were grown at the exact same time.
That isn't what the lore says. He was the Emperor's first creation in the primarch project. He was the first made and the testbed in which all of the others would follow. That is why he is the second best at most everything. The 1st legion had the same disposition.
@@Lycurgus1982Yup. 20 were not created at once. The Dark Angels were the prototype Legion and Lion the prototype Primarch. That is why despite his knightly appearance he has a feral streak that makes Angron and Curze look timid.
No other Primarch spent their formative years alone hunting warp tainted monsters like the Lion did in the forests of Caliban.
@jmlaw8888 not feral. Predatory.