[Indonesia] Japanese internment camps - World War II
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- During the Japanese rule of Indonesia (previously known as the Dutch East Indies) all Dutch and Indo European citizens were interned in prison camps. Those who did not survive the harsh conditions are buried at a cemetery where I am standing now, talking about this sad chapter in history.
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Thank you for this video.
My grandmother, who just died, was in one of these camps when she was 10. The women were seperated from the men, but sometimes she could see her dad at the morning "gatherings" across the fences. Her mother gave her rations to my grandmother to keep her alive.
Both her parents died relatively young after being freed, assumedly due to the experience.
Thanks for sharing!
Thank you. My grandpa was in the same thing. Trying to learn more
My grandmother who just recently passed was also in those camps with the rest of my family. The stories she told me from being in those camps were horrific.
My Grandparents and Father and Brother were in the Camps in Bandoeng, Grandfather died in 1959 aged 59yo, Grandmother in 1965 aged 62 in Holland.
My husband was in a Japanese concentration camp in Indonesia. His family was Dutch and his father ran a tobacco plantation. He, his mom, brother and sister were put in a concentration camp when he was 11 years old. He was taken from his mother when he turned 13 and sent to a mens camp. In this Japanese camp he suffered terribly and even today at the age of 86 he stills suffers from horrible memories of what he went through.
That is so sad to hear. I've heard many people who suffer from their experiences during the war in these camps. And indeed, boys were sent to mens camps at a certain age. Thank you for sharing.
My grandpa was in the same thing. Trying to learn more
@@carmarhar05Dutch must have felt the effects of Colonialism in those internment camps.
For hundreds of years, Dutch did far worse things than these. Even after all of this, Dutch migrants in Africa still ran an Apartheid system for decades.
This is why it is difficult to feel sorry for those who themselves were the source of evil.
@@asmirann3636
The Dutch did not starve, rape and torture the Indonesians en masses like the Japanese did.
The Indonesians literally smuggled food through the sewers to the captured Dutch women and children...hardly the actions of people who were widely mistreated (that is, to say, that certainly some Dutch may have treated Indos poorly, but it was not wideapread...I'm fact, my grandfather's military unit was almost entirely Indonesians fighting side by side with Dutchman)
So similar to my opa’s story
My grandpa help the Dutch navy setup the HNLMS Abraham Crijnssen to escape the Japanese towards Australia...
After they finished the set up, one of the sailors asked him to join the crew and promised him to be released after they get to Australia, if he accepted that invitation he would've still alive, but I wouldn't be here...
But he refused and joined the Dutch army that stay behind to hold the Japanese advances, he survives WW2 only to be killed later by his own friend during '65 - '66 anti-communist rallies...
My father missed him very much...
What an impressive story to read. Very sad also. Thank you so much for sharing!
My grandfather was an officer in the Dutch army and he, too, was offered evacuation but refused. He had been with his men (mostly Indonesians) for decades and did not want to abandoned them. Instead he fought and was captured.
After the war, my grandma, uncles and aunts were told he had died...only to recieve a Christmas card from him later that year.
Because he survived, he now has an additional 72 descendants who otherwise would have never existed! May he rest in heaven
I lived in Bandung, Indonesia and I recently visit Pandu Ereveld because apparently they open for public in 2017 and I didn't even know that.
So I visited the place and the tour guide explain how Dutch citizen experience the concentration camp by Japanese.
It's eye opening for me because I always learnt in school how brutal Japan colonialism to Indonesian people, but I never realized how similar the Dutch experienced it.
Later the guide said the reason Pandu Ereveld open for public now because it's reminder for people how brutal war can be, and we should know better now to not repeat the history.
Even with our history, Indonesia and Netherland are friend now. I always welcome Dutch people to visit Bandung.
Very interesting to read. Thanks for your reply.
My grandfather and his siblings and his parents were also in one of the camps, thanks for helping me understand a bit more of a forgotten part of history, that my relatives talked about but I didn’t know how disgusting they were.
You're welcome Jonah. Thanks for sharing!
@Justine Kelly You mean the Dutch that committed atrocities, not the civilians. It's unfair to say one group did something when it is actually some people of that group that did something.
My aunt recently told me that my Oma and her siblings were in these camps. She had to urinate on rice to develpe penicillin to combat bacterial infections for one of her younger siblings. They survived and lived happy lives. RIP Oma
May she rest in peace. Thank you for replying.
lol. Tell your dead grandmother to say that shit with a straight face.
I am from germany ,rip for all war veteran in the world
Thanks for your reply.
My grandpa was in one of these from the time he was about 9 years old 😢 they buried him in the sand for hours on end
Said to hear that Benny F. Thanks for sharing. Feel free to leave some more things your grandfather passed on to you about his time in the camps.
My father was in Bangkong camp ( hoping that is correct). The stories he told me and how he was seperated from his father, mother and older brothers to this day makes me weep for him and many others. I thankyou for this video, it is hard to find any form of videos, it makes me feel closer to my dad.
You're welcome, thanks for sharing!
My father wrote a bibliography, he wrote of his time before the camps ,during and after. When he died my mother edited it and had it published. It is called Fragments of a Journey. The first 4 chapters are to do with his life in Indonesia. If you are interested in his view of Indonesia and the war and camps.
Thanks!
Do you know dutch attacking indonesia (but dutch help indonesia little)
@@byn1653 jembut
My father's entire family was there and captured in Java. My grandfather died on the Death Railway.
Sorry to hear that.
My Grandfather's Parents & younger sisters were taken into camps by Japanese. His Father was Hungarian & his Mom Indonesian. They were coffee plantation owners on East Java. My Grandfather somehow joined the USAF as a Dutch fighter pilot. (his way of trying to free/save his family).
Thanks for sharing!
The got the exact same medicine of colonization
My grandfather was in one of these camps. He and his mother were the only to survive out of his family. This is the first time I’ve stumbled across information about this that isn’t from my dad. My grandpa died when I was very young from developing type 1 diabetes by being in the camp. He did teach my dad some AMAZING recipes from Indonesia!! Even though he fled to America he still missed Indonesia.
Great documentary .
Thanks!
My grandfather, grandmother, father and his sister who was Dutch were in such camp. My father was malnourished and went to hospital in the camp twice with severe malnutrition. Developed severe bowed legs as a result, plus lifelong trauma.
Sad to read. Thanks for sharing.
My great grand uncle was a Dutch priest in Indonesia during the Japanese invasion. My dad said he never spoke about his experiences. But he survived it. He also said that he respected the Indonesian people.
Luckily he survived. It was something back then to never speak about it... Thanks for sharing.
It was the same in Malaysia. My grandparents would tell terrible stories...
That's true. I don't know much about the internment of Europeans in Malaya. Feel free to leave some information if you have. I did make a video about Malaya during WW II:
ruclips.net/video/btU310gjR-A/видео.html
My wife and I visited WW2 grave yard in Thailand. It was mix of Commonwealth, Dutch and Yanks. It was extremely moving.
To the point we started bawling. We never expected that. Our guide (Manny) said you all do that.
I did find out later Thailand joined on the Japanese side and invaded China. A lot of countries like that. It was the biggest thing that has ever happened to humans in history.
Thanks for video.
My Dear mother in-law and her siblings were in a Kamp commanded by Sonei prior to Tjideng. She was 6 and took care of her 3 younger brothers. They marched them off to Tjideng where she learned that she would again live under Sonei. He was a psychopath extraordinaire!
My grandma and her family was in a camp like this. She told me horrible stories. She was only a little child but she saw those japanse man playin soccer with the body of a baby, putting rats in womans vagina ( so it would eat its way out). Heard stories of other people that their father wasnt alloud to go to the toilet so they would stop him from going and lauging him in his face until his blatter bursted and he died. Horrible horrible place
That's very sad to read Mark.
thats what you dutch deserve u think 350 years is ok not even ww2 invasion were not that long.i am the grandchild from 1 of the 2000 japenese soldier who stayed in indonesia to helped them.
@@maclaymaclay7849 Is that how you respond to someone's anecdote? You're disgusting. Just because someone came from a country which committed genocide doesn't mean they were a part of it.
My grandfather was in the KNIL at the time. He was captured by the Japanese and lived through a horrible ordeal. He was put to work on the Birma railroad and has been in various camps. Also he was on one of the prisoner ships when they were torpedoed. Witnessing fellow prisoners being eaten by sharks around him. After that he ended up in a camp in a mountain in Nagasaki and survived the atomic bomb attack from the Americans. He didn't talk about it often, but sometimes we managed to get little stories out of him. This combined with what my father told me is all i know really. I have always considered him a cat with 9 lives. I have a tin US army cup that he swapped with a POW in one of the camps.
After the war he and my grandmother (also from the Netherlands) lived on Sumatra for some time and my father was born there in Padang. My grandfather died of old age having always been ressentfull of anything or anyone Japanese.
Do you happen to know places or websites where there is more information to be found about this period and the Dutch people? Mag ook in het Nederlands uiteraard.
God bless your grandfather and family! What is your fathers story? Mine came to Groningen to Chicago. My dad was too young to fight ww2
and moms family was from Ten Boar also close to Groningen.
My Opa also.
i actually mad when i heard a lot of japanese war criminal got free and never face justice
It happened...
My father and father in law fought the Japanese under USAFFE forces and many of ourelztives fought he japanese occcupiers.
Thanks for sharing. He must have seen a lot.
Could you please write the name of the camp in Batavia, I am trying to search for it but I don't know the spelling and I have not found it.
Camp Tjideng.
@@HistoryHustle u
Currently cideng, central jakarta
Japan and dutch attack indonesia my grandfather was there jis name is satu,because satu is one because his the only one alive from his brother
Thanks for sharing.
You don't mention the dutch women forced to work in the Japanese army brothels.
There was a certain number, I don't know how many women were forced to. In any case: the video is about internment camps.
I really recommend really The Flamboya Tree, the true story of a little girl in one of these camps.
Sounds interesting.
hello sir where are you from thanks?❤
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anybody have information about Glodok interment camp?
theindoproject.org/glodok-prison-during-ww-ii/
My grandpa and grandma sat in those camps IEEE
Sad to hear.
Very sad that it ever happened, it was all hell!!
True.
The 24 years of rape, murder, sex slavery, and wanton crimes against humanity committed by Indonesia on East Timor needs a video. The Java attempting to genocide the East Timorese is an abhorrent crime that needs as much attention as Japanese War crimes.
This video isn't about East Timor.
@@HistoryHustle No shit. A video covering the brutal actions of the Indonesian in Modern History is needed. Java doing to the Timorese, what the Americans did to the Native Tribes.
It is amazing how Democracies like to hide their atrocities and White wash them. Like America sterilizing Japanese war brides while German war brides remained intact. Los Angeles 1871 Lynching of Chinese resdients by Whites and Mexicans.
Makes sense considering Americans favored past time is killing minorities or foreigners. Like Obama ordering drones to blow up wedding caravans and children. The world needs a Monroe Doctrine to keep the United States and it proxies out of other Nations.
@@HistoryHustle Checked the video history of this channel. It completely tells a one sided view of history. No mention of British South African or the American concentration camps. No mention of the hundreds of unresolved American war crimes from WWII in either the Pacific or European theaters.
There are no videos pertaining to the forced opening of Japan's borders under threat of coastal bombardment. America forced Japan to Modernise and drove a fierce need for material resources, such as steel, rubber, and copper. American and European cultural imperialism are a rot that destroys any nation that accepts it. Japan accepted it without thinking.
Hawaii is, by the United States own evaluation, an illegally occupied territory that was unjustly invaded. American settlers with the backing of the US government conducted a coup against the Hawaiian Monarchy.
The fact the only time you that cover American war crimes is a 4 year Vietnam war is not surprising. Well it makes sense as most of America's crimes are against humanity. I saw no video on the Tuskegee experiment. You know the 40 year long syphilis infection of the Black population perpetrated by the United States (1932-72). No videos on the Asian Exclusion Act. No video on the legislation in America that told Chinese immigrants where they may live in Western States. Chinese segregation and lynching are also sadly missing. Almost as if someone is White washing history, like a race hustler.
Japan has done horrible damage to this world, yet not to the consistent level of the United States. Such as it being perfectly legal to place people into concentration camps due to ethnic origin.
Bongkar.
Please explain.
You seem to have absolutely no insight as to the evil committed by the Japanese. And so you give a false history.
Explain.
ngapain kuburan belanda di lestariin di indonesia....
udah tau biadab dibikin kuburan yg bagus.... sedang byk rakyat digusur....
gali lagi tu kuburan buang tengkoraknya ke kali
I'm trying to follow this discussie by using Google Translate.
The Dutch graves in Indonesia are paid for by the Dutch government.
The question who were worse occupiers, Dutch or Japanese, it depends on how you measure it. The Dutch colonized Indonesia for 350 years. The Japanese for 3,5 years. Brutal wars, famines and mass murder did occur under both regimes. The genocidal wars waged by Jan Pieterszoon Coen in the 16th Century might be comparable to some of the massacres carried out by the Japanese. Yet, I think that the Dutch rule evolved over the centuries. Around 1900 and even before that Dutch politicians generally cared about the Indonesians. Reforms were carried out slow.
The Dutch did let several high ranking Indonesians study in the Netherlands. Most of these became nationalists that wanted Indonesia to become independent from the Netherlands.
@Abraham Dulimar, itu yg harus didaptkan belanda 350 tahun menjajah kita sedangkan penjajahan perang dunia ga sampai selama itu. terus lagian ini penjajahan sebelum perang dunia 2. buyut saya adalah orang jepang
Setuju
hello sir where are you from thanks?❤
Netherlands 🇳🇱