Tim I've built several of the trainers you are referencing; site, industry and application specific for training maintenance and engineer's in troubleshooting, real world programming and on the fly adjustments. They are instrumental in creating and building a world class facility with continually evolving skillsets; awesome videos!!! From the Maintenance Electrician turned Electrical Engineer.
Realy i'm so pride to read this. Indeed PLC programming you do it one time despite some clear modification but the problème is in 90% of time lie sensor, broken mechanical system, electrical signal dont reach PLC or actuator. So the solution is spend your time on the problem to solve the problèm like you had spent some hours on your machine down. But some time it is realy a stone on your mind.
Yes please make the simulator, also if you could make videos on common faults, that would also be very useful. Other than that I really like your videos
I have a job interview with Vapor Power International this Friday & mostly involve with PLCs, in school we mostly worked with RxLogic 500. I’m really hoping I get this job, I’m really interested in getting into PLCs. This made me more confident, Thank you!
Great advice Tim, as usual. I add in my little spill (mostly the same as yours advice), is just like your professors came to be by studying others works before them, the same is true with learning PLC programming. In addition to taking your great advice Tim, tell them additionally to get their hands on as many real PLC programs being used out in the real world, and study them. They will learn common programming methodologies and unique and valuable tips. (like AFI bits, plugging timers to increase motor reliability, etc.)
YES!!! Please make the simular... it w'd give us a wealth of valuable info. Make it challenging with steps to help us figure it out after struggling!! Refer ring to relating fields as needed
I'm a facility maintenance technician for nuclear missile sites in the Air force. Part or our job is keeping sites connected to commercial power with diesel generators ready as standby power but I'm more partial to our HVAC side that is controlled by PLCs. I love getting to troubleshoot and fix faults working with B/Os, I/Os, motor starters and so on and I'm pretty good at it too after doing it for the past 4+ years but have no idea how to transfer from the military and into that field or if Id even be ready.
You have definitely gained some valuable troubleshooting skills! The is a growing demand for HVAC techs that can troubleshoot PLCs and more advanced instrumentation.
That's why I've bought my self an enclosure, low cost plc, etc and I've implemented a PID control system. I cryed a lot but each tear was wothy hehehe.
I'm going to do an associates in electromechanical Technology next semester at tstu glad I watched this video. I want to focus on plcs once I become a electromechanical technician and what you said here definitely helped me feel good with my choice.
So I've been doing HVAC controls work for a few years now. Not so much installation but programming controllers, writing code for chiller/boiler plants, building graphics, standing up servers and frontends.....but want to move into PLC work. Do you see a PLC company hiring someone like me without a college degree? Before moving into automation I did HVAC service work for almost 15 years and before that did some computer networking.
Hi Raymond. Yes there are a lot of companies looking for PLC techs that don't require degrees. The valuable troubleshooting skills you learned while doing service work would be a great point on your resume.
Hello Tim, I am interested in becoming a SCADA Technician within the water treatment industry. I am a Journeyman Electrician and have a Bachelor's Degree in Information Technology, but I do not have much experience with working on PLC's or motor controls. Is there any links, sites, or info that you can recommend to get the hands-on experience to start and excel in this industry? Thank you for the video!
Hi James. Thanks for watching! Being that you're already a journeyman electrician with a background in information technology, you only need a little time behind the wheel of the software to get the hang of this. Be sure to browse all our lessons. You can find them at the link below. www.theautomationstore.com/lessons/ Then I'd recommend looking into the advanced HMI. It is a great free scada system that will help you get started on that side of things. Here is a link to it. www.advancedhmi.com/
Hey James , I'm army Vet, 10 plus years automation in turbo machinery and a few in automation controls with assembly and packaging. My current position is Automation Engineer , I also have a degree in IT. What I can say about what made me be at a senior level early on with plc, scada whatever , has been troubleshooting in any job position I've held. From basic logic testing of latches to their proper location or device, what gave me the exposure and confidence is the individual jobs and what plc , automation trouble shooting calls I got. I asked everything that I could, at times when others wouldn't share, i hovered over a lot putting I't all together as the years passed. I have yet to look at websites for guides, I suggest always diving in ask plc network related questions so you can understand what does NOT work in a network. And that my friend builds the best resource you can have to creating working scada systems and any little errors or kinks along the way would have already or closely been seen by you.
In looking to get into PLCs to expand my career. I've done controls for about 14 yrs. All within HVAC Controls/ DDC. Not actual PLCs in regards to Allen Bradley. I know how the PLCs work, input/output wiring, networking, motors. But I'm just not familiar with their software and communication protocols besides Modbus when I had to integrate to them from the HVAC DDC. I have done some work inside their ladder logic programming for alarming. Took about 15min to figure it out. Can I crossover into the world of PLCs easily without having Allen Bradley certifications?
To everyone commenting here, it's really interesting to read about some of your stories exploring this industry! If you are reading this and you are a controls engineer, do you think it is a rewarding and interesting line of work? I'm a little concerned about working long hours and getting frequently called in to fix things when I'm not technically on the clock; are these valid concerns? Other question: which do you think tends to find more success in the industry, a math-loving computer nerd without much in the way of machine experience, or a gearhead mechanic who has never programmed anything? Tim: thanks for the amazing videos!
Hi Thomas. The hours can be long so you do need to make sure that it is something you enjoy. I think the math wiz and the gearhead both can be successful, especially once each realizes that they need the other skill and starts picking it up.
Hi Tim, I come from the IT field and I'm considering switching to the PLC programmer field. I took a class In PLC programming about 6, 7 years ago and liked it. I took it for fun while getting my bachelor's in IT. How hard would it be for someone like me to get an entirely-level job as a PLC programmer? do you recommend taking some online or face-to-face classes? Any advice would be much appreciated. Thank you for your time.
The biggest thing to realize is there are no "PLC programmer" jobs. You'll way more time troubleshooting control systems than programming them. For troubleshooting, I would do face to face. You can learn the programming online. Check out this lesson series. twcontrols.com/micro800-connected-components-workbench-lessons
Hello. I have couple questions and hope you will find couple minutes to respond. I work as a maintenance electrician and perform many automation tech tasks like Ethernet IP, DeviceNet installation and troubleshooting, PLC troubleshooting and components installation. I passed couple online PLC programming courses RSlogix 500 and Studio5000. I personally maintain whole warehouse in Chicago airport. 1. Is it possible to get to the programming without degree? 2. On couple interviews I was told yoy need a degree from RECOGNIZED university to work in engineering. What is your opinion people dont trust without degree but dont even ask to show the laptop? 3. What is better AB special courses, collage degree or collage cerficate? Thank you
Q1: I work as a maintenance electrician and perform many automation tech tasks like Ethernet IP, DeviceNet installation and troubleshooting, PLC troubleshooting and components installation. A1: Then you are probably in the best learning environment possible. I passed couple online PLC programming courses RSlogix 500 and Studio5000. This may or may not be a good resume builder. I talk about the variety of training courses out there in this video. ruclips.net/video/6Tp13jIFMno/видео.html Q2: Is it possible to get to the programming without degree? A2: Yes but you may have to get a Masters from the College of Hard Knocks. Q3: On couple interviews I was told you need a degree from RECOGNIZED university to work in engineering. A3: If that is their rule then it is their rule. It is really not up for discussion, you just won't be a good fit for that company. Q4: What is your opinion people don't trust without degree but don't even ask to show the laptop? A4: I don't think either is a good indicator of a potential employee's capabilities. I've seen college graduates that can't connect to a PLC and I've seen "programming test" done in interviews that are straight out of a college textbook. Q5: What is better AB special courses, college degree or college certificate? A5: All will help you build your skills. It is hard to pit one against the other. The real question is what options are available to you and what pain point are you willing to reach to see it through. The pain could be money, time, or any barrier that seems impossible to cross.
Good morning Ivan, our industry has changed I know many here commenting can validate what I'm about to post, companies realize the importance of a degree and will at time post specific requirements for employee candidates. Things like knowing python ,c++ etc. Also companies will post engineering degree mechatronics degree , what's important is that theyall share one common denominator STEM. slowly or maybe already you'll be noticing jobs worded this way. What I'm doing or have done, is prepare resumes with my experience bullet points specifically targeting the new job requirements from that experience I have. I may have min experience starting a project rslogic project from scratch but Ido know the steps to launch one.
I'm proof you do not need a degree to become a programmer and engineer. I started out at an automation integrator while going for an associates in Electrical System Controls. I built panels part time and school full time. A few months into the job the work started pilling up so I decided to finish a semester and quit school all together. I was learning WAY more building, installing and troubleshooting control systems I felt I had no need for the degree as I'd already found myself in the field. After three years of building, installing and troubleshooting I was handed the reigns on designing and programming simple motor start/stop controls. AFter showing an aptitude for that combined with a willingness to learn I was thrown at a project WAY over my head. A polisher line with over 12 different motors in all combinations of servo, stepper, AC & DC and all programmed on a german PLC i'd never even heard of! I was used to Allen Bradely, Wago, and Schneider. BUT I asked questions and was able to build the project, drawings, logic, panel design and build. All from just a parts list and concepts given to me by an engineer. Like he said in the video. You;'ve got to find a place that will foster your curiosity and let you step into the programming roll. Show an interest and stay on them about it. Ask the engineers questions and show them you know what youre doing and it will reward you! Good luck!
My formal educational background consists of three years of electronics, one year of trade school for microsystems technology, and a wide range of products from Xerox, Dell, Hp, and Kip (electro-mechanical products). A few months ago I purchased the Technician's Dream Bundle from Koldwater and I'm almost done with it. I'm very confident in my troubleshooting skills but not so much in programming. One of the things I love about your videos is that they almost always have hardware in them (Lego Leaf Plane ;-). Outside of watching your videos, What would you suggest to someone that's looking for a position in the industrial electrical maintenance field?
Sounds like you already have some good troubleshooting experience. Those are the toughest skills to learn in a classroom so you are mainly just needing familiarity with hardware used in the industry and PLC programming software. I'm not sure I wouldn't start polishing my resume. Technicians with good troubleshooting skills are in high demand. Then get you a PLC to start playing with, I give some tip on this at ruclips.net/video/6roQE_ZWeZk/видео.html Then start following some of the questions others are asking at some of the control forums such as www.plctalk.net. Start trying to follow and test some of the recommendations others are making then start trying to offer your own solutions.
Hey Tim, I am super interested in getting into building panel. I never went to Collage, But been in Maintenance and electrical stuff all my life. I help our engineer's here where i work build a couple of panels. What would i need to do to get a job building them. I saw a job for a position but did not know if i even had a chance.
I just had an Interview for a maintenance electrician technician position at a local company that's fixing to expand and update their Machinery I felt the Interview went great, I was however a bit concerned about everything I'll be doing until this video! This is the kind of company that if you have an idea they will give you the parts and say go make it work. This is exactly what I need to advance my plc skillset and electrical career! Major win! Now let's hope I landed it! I mess with plcs at home often doing little projects. I have a fully automated mini ball mill I programmed to run a set amount of cycles then shut down and reset the counter and be ready to go again once start is hit. I've also worked in industry doing a lot of fine tuning of vfd speeds and parameters of tile production equipment. I think I may have found myself a good career! I've also worked with laser guided vehicles. I really hope I get this job!
Im student of vocational school and last trimester we learn plc 1,2 troubleshooting A basic robotics and I work full time also but after school they will give me a job as a maintenance or technician what do you think do I need to stick to technician position or start as mechanic if they offer me only that 1st?I goes they need to check what I know from plc and electrical??
How about for someone trying to break into the field with no work experience involving PLCs or electrical equipment? I'm an operator at a plant where automation is everywhere, I have experience operating the equipment but beyond that I have a very basic understanding of the PLC systems. A local community college offers an automated industrial technology associates, where they give you hands on experience on mechatronics and programmable controls. Would that be a good place to start?
Great question Erik! The local community college may be a good place to start but even before that, go talk to your employer and see if they offer any education incentives that may help offset the cost. Another great way to get free training is to see if you can help do maintenance in off hours. Most maintenance staffs I know are always looking for some extra help. Even if they just have your greasing bearings, you'll be getting familiar with the equipment. Many community colleges also offer 6 week workforce redevelopment programs. These would be good to go through just to give you an idea of what you are getting into and make sure it is what you are looking for before you invest a large amount of time and money. And finally we offer self paced trainers that can help you learn when you are not at work. You can find our lessons at www.theautomationstore.com/lessons/ Feel free to ask any specific questions as they come up.
@@TimWilborne My employer pays for our educational costs so that's not an issue. I also have a lot of experience with the maintenance side of things because we operate the equipment and maintain it as well. However the only thing we can't touch are the PLCs I try to poke my nose in whenever the techs are troubleshooting an issue with the PLC or doing pm's on them, but I still have my job to do. My biggest concern is going through the program at the community college program and not being able to land a job because of the experience issue. From what I have seen, electricians and instrumentation guys are mainly the guys who get hired to work as PLC techs at my job, and I feel like a two year degree wouldn't help me much when I'm going up against their work experience. Thanks for your help, I'll look into the lessons you linked. I appreciate it.
@@erik3423 A couple of thoughts. First, if your employer will pay for you educational cost then you should take advantage of it when ever you can. It's a sign of a progressive company and they will also take note of your interest in furthering yourself. But you are right, education can't substitute for work experience. Our lessons are free and can help you get a good enough understanding of programming that you can peek over the tech's shoulder and understand what is going on. Also next week we're putting out a video on "Becoming an Engineer" which is about getting more women in automation, but Natasha gives some great tips for changing careers so make sure you are subscribe. I think it will come out Monday.
Hi Tim, I want to know about minimum physical condition to be able to start this job. I have herniated disk problem. Would you please describe if this job needs lifting heavy weights (panels, toolbox, ...) or other heavy physical activities? (I've seen your answer to the question 3 months ago, but to be honest, I didn't get if I can do that or not, can you please describe more?)
Thank you for the video, very informative. I am highly intrigued to get in the field of automation and PLC’s. However, I am in a different situation. I have no degree but, I do have 20 years in the manufacturing field. Fanuc robot programming, CNC/wire EDM programming, plastic injection molding and general machining. Do I need a degree to get into this field? Is it possible to get in with a company and get on the job training? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Have a great day!
I'm 53-year-old in a couple months. I have no college. Is it too late to learn PLC Programming? If it helps, I have 10 years experience with CNC operating machines. Thanks
That is a great question Al and probably deserves it's own video. I've seen small mom and pop automation shops and world class companies be great College of Hard Knox experiences but you are looking for a unique company. Let me do some brainstorming.
Im going to school to be an instrumentation technician. My job will consist of troubleshooting, maintaining and installing instruments within a chemical refinery . Will there be opportunities for me to learn about PLC programming or perhaps do it full time?
Hi Ricky. Great questions! At larger scale refineries, you probably will get less exposure to PLCs. For one, there are more people with more specific task but also many of these operate via DCS systems which are a little different. Also, as I have said many times. There are no "full time" PLC programmers. I consider myself a PLC programmer and I spend about 10% of my time programming PLCs. The rest is spent designing controls, building control panels, and maintaining existing systems. The big thing I would say is be inquisitive. Show interest in learning and your employer will help you. Good luck!
I'm really interested in doing automation and PLC's. My college has an Electrical Engineering Technology program and an Electronics Engineering Technology program. My question is, would it be better to take the Electrical ET program or the Electronics ET program? Which program is geared towards doing PLC stuff?
Oh that is a tough one Paul! They are both great programs. Definitely consult your academic advisor but if I had to chose, I would base if off which one I enjoy working with more. Both will lead you to a great career. Good luck!
I just graduated with a degree in Electrical Engineering and I want to get into the field of Automation using HMIs and PLCs. I just have college experience using ladder logic, how do I stand out to land a job in the field?
Congratulations on graduating! As I say in the video, just be honest with your potential employer about your comfort level with PLCs and make sure you have opportunities to both learn and fail. You will need some on the job experience to polish your skills and there are many opportunities out there to do that.
Be the person who is not afraid to troubleshoot , why cause that catches the attention of the senior persons, they admire that, they might laugh at your early on skills, but they are the best and being able to take constructive criticism let's then see you. You start standing out , you become a helper , then the person who figured it out . But don't forget to share war stories of the troubleshooting with those around you.
We have a video coming on that :) But the broad answer is a yearly salary averaging $75K, high $115K, entry around $30K without any experience. Hourly average $36, with an entry around $20 and a high of $55 . Now for all the buyers out there reading this, that is what you make, not what you charge. When you account for expenses it is around $160 per hour.
Hello Tim, I’m a 32 year old truck drive wanting to switch careers paths. Do you have any steps you could recommend to get into the field of automation? Thank you so
Truck driving is an excellent way to make a living but as you've probably figured out, there isn't a lot of options for moving up out of the drivers seat. I think the first question you have to make sure you have answered is are you sure automation the field you should switch to? I hear lots of people saying they want to get into automation so they can spend their days writing PLC programs. That is probably 10% of what I do. What attracts you to industrial automation?
Hi Tim! I’m graduating with an associate degree in Mechatronics next year. Um how would I go about getting a job in this industry with some PLC experience?
Congratulations Mac! Most schools have some type of career connection center, that is where I would start. Even today, your skills are very much in demand.
I just which career after tens in the graphic design field. the beginning of the year I started in electrical control systems field. I’m currently in college and have a few credit left till I have an Associate degree in engineering technology. I want to continue to get electrical engineering bachelor degree. But For the last 12 months I have been wiring, building panels and learning how to troubleshoot them. I have took a class in plc. I want to start practicing now at home. I have the Micro820 PLC controller. I’m building my scratch. At my job we work mobile bridge control. From bridge span and barrier/warning gate. I want to freelance in the future. Do I have to buy studio5000 or can I use a free software to learn the concept. I love your channel. I wish I found it last year.
You can use the free version of Connected Components Workbench with the lessons at the link below. twcontrols.com/micro800-connected-components-workbench-lessons
I would love to do something like this but unfortunatly i have a bad heart and cant do much heavy lifting will that be a problem. Is there much heavy lifting?
Hi Sean. It would depend on the specific industry. I've built panels that weigh 20 pounds and panels that weigh 2,500 pounds. I'd contact some of the local panel builders.
Hi! Ive been wanting to ask you if there is ANY way to work with PLC programming without having gone to college for it? And if not, is this a skill I can learn through an online college? Im so very interested in this career field, but may have waited too long to find my passion, (31 yrs old). :(
Hi Sir, I have a bachelors degree in software development and I was thinking switching to this career, is this career would fit to me? I was looking around for plc programmer description mostly were electrical engineer major. Thanks in advance.
Tim Wilborne thank you very much sir for answering my question. I am beginning my transition to plc programmer hopefully in a year or less than a year I could acquire a job as a plc programmer. Is there any practical project I could do on my own to gain experience in this field? Is there any training kit that I could purchase and build/program something from that kit? Thanks again and blessings to you all.
@@woody-xm5ve Most people with bachelor degrees ton't like my answer but the best practical experience you can gain for a job as a PLC programmer is to work maintenance somewhere.
You've found a good place to start. we have a new PLC programming series coming out in January. Make sure you are subscribed. Are you signed up for classes currently?
You don't need to sign up for classes for PLC programming. I was mainly inquiry about "pursuing engineering". We keep a schedule of upcoming videos in our RUclips page banner. Also here is a link to a great PLC lesson series. www.theautomationstore.com/rslogix-500-industrial-control-panel-trainer-lessons/
@Tim do you realize that you never get a call for an interview if you do not have working experience ??? It is like listening to a woman describing the type of a man she wants and ending up with the complete opposite. And all that work for free is something that you need luck as well. So yeah, only 1% of the companies out there want to invest in inexperienced engineers. It is exactly the same as the countries/states that do not invest in education. I mean come on,tell the youngsters in here the truth about "our kind" .
Tim I've built several of the trainers you are referencing; site, industry and application specific for training maintenance and engineer's in troubleshooting, real world programming and on the fly adjustments.
They are instrumental in creating and building a world class facility with continually evolving skillsets; awesome videos!!!
From the Maintenance Electrician turned Electrical Engineer.
Thanks Yansen!
Realy i'm so pride to read this. Indeed PLC programming you do it one time despite some clear modification but the problème is in 90% of time lie sensor, broken mechanical system, electrical signal dont reach PLC or actuator. So the solution is spend your time on the problem to solve the problèm like you had spent some hours on your machine down. But some time it is realy a stone on your mind.
Yes please make the simulator, also if you could make videos on common faults, that would also be very useful. Other than that I really like your videos
It is on the drawing board, thanks for watching!
I have a job interview with Vapor Power International this Friday & mostly involve with PLCs, in school we mostly worked with RxLogic 500. I’m really hoping I get this job, I’m really interested in getting into PLCs. This made me more confident, Thank you!
Good luck, confidence and honesty are the two big things to go into your job interview with!
Great advice Tim, as usual. I add in my little spill (mostly the same as yours advice), is just like your professors came to be by studying others works before them, the same is true with learning PLC programming. In addition to taking your great advice Tim, tell them additionally to get their hands on as many real PLC programs being used out in the real world, and study them. They will learn common programming methodologies and unique and valuable tips. (like AFI bits, plugging timers to increase motor reliability, etc.)
Thanks Don, good advice.
Thank you Tim for this video. Your videos have helped a lot.
Glad to hear it!
YES!!! Please make the simular... it w'd give us a wealth of valuable info. Make it challenging with steps to help us figure it out after struggling!! Refer ring to relating fields as needed
We're working the kinks out of it so stay tuned!
I'm a facility maintenance technician for nuclear missile sites in the Air force. Part or our job is keeping sites connected to commercial power with diesel generators ready as standby power but I'm more partial to our HVAC side that is controlled by PLCs. I love getting to troubleshoot and fix faults working with B/Os, I/Os, motor starters and so on and I'm pretty good at it too after doing it for the past 4+ years but have no idea how to transfer from the military and into that field or if Id even be ready.
You have definitely gained some valuable troubleshooting skills! The is a growing demand for HVAC techs that can troubleshoot PLCs and more advanced instrumentation.
That's why I've bought my self an enclosure, low cost plc, etc and I've implemented a PID control system. I cryed a lot but each tear was wothy hehehe.
Thanks Tim. Really appreciate what you are doing.
You are welcome Raj. Thanks for watching!
Thank you for making the trades better
You're welcome :)
I'm going to do an associates in electromechanical Technology next semester at tstu glad I watched this video. I want to focus on plcs once I become a electromechanical technician and what you said here definitely helped me feel good with my choice.
You've made a great career choice Julian! Feel free to ask any questions as you get further into it.
I'm going to apply I've had a mechanical background in Apartment and Building maintenance and wanted to get into this.
Great!
So I've been doing HVAC controls work for a few years now. Not so much installation but programming controllers, writing code for chiller/boiler plants, building graphics, standing up servers and frontends.....but want to move into PLC work. Do you see a PLC company hiring someone like me without a college degree? Before moving into automation I did HVAC service work for almost 15 years and before that did some computer networking.
Hi Raymond. Yes there are a lot of companies looking for PLC techs that don't require degrees. The valuable troubleshooting skills you learned while doing service work would be a great point on your resume.
Hello Tim, I am interested in becoming a SCADA Technician within the water treatment industry. I am a Journeyman Electrician and have a Bachelor's Degree in Information Technology, but I do not have much experience with working on PLC's or motor controls. Is there any links, sites, or info that you can recommend to get the hands-on experience to start and excel in this industry? Thank you for the video!
Hi James. Thanks for watching! Being that you're already a journeyman electrician with a background in information technology, you only need a little time behind the wheel of the software to get the hang of this.
Be sure to browse all our lessons. You can find them at the link below.
www.theautomationstore.com/lessons/
Then I'd recommend looking into the advanced HMI. It is a great free scada system that will help you get started on that side of things. Here is a link to it.
www.advancedhmi.com/
Hey James , I'm army Vet, 10 plus years automation in turbo machinery and a few in automation controls with assembly and packaging. My current position is Automation Engineer , I also have a degree in IT. What I can say about what made me be at a senior level early on with plc, scada whatever , has been troubleshooting in any job position I've held. From basic logic testing of latches to their proper location or device, what gave me the exposure and confidence is the individual jobs and what plc , automation trouble shooting calls I got. I asked everything that I could, at times when others wouldn't share, i hovered over a lot putting I't all together as the years passed. I have yet to look at websites for guides, I suggest always diving in ask plc network related questions so you can understand what does NOT work in a network. And that my friend builds the best resource you can have to creating working scada systems and any little errors or kinks along the way would have already or closely been seen by you.
@@jrojano1007me Great tips Jose!
Great valuable information
This is true. We really need real-world experience to the program and also troubleshooting.
Yes we do!
In looking to get into PLCs to expand my career. I've done controls for about 14 yrs. All within HVAC Controls/ DDC. Not actual PLCs in regards to Allen Bradley. I know how the PLCs work, input/output wiring, networking, motors. But I'm just not familiar with their software and communication protocols besides Modbus when I had to integrate to them from the HVAC DDC. I have done some work inside their ladder logic programming for alarming. Took about 15min to figure it out. Can I crossover into the world of PLCs easily without having Allen Bradley certifications?
Yes, lots of people do, start with this lesson series.
twcontrols.com/micro800-connected-components-workbench-lessons
To everyone commenting here, it's really interesting to read about some of your stories exploring this industry! If you are reading this and you are a controls engineer, do you think it is a rewarding and interesting line of work? I'm a little concerned about working long hours and getting frequently called in to fix things when I'm not technically on the clock; are these valid concerns?
Other question: which do you think tends to find more success in the industry, a math-loving computer nerd without much in the way of machine experience, or a gearhead mechanic who has never programmed anything?
Tim: thanks for the amazing videos!
Hi Thomas. The hours can be long so you do need to make sure that it is something you enjoy. I think the math wiz and the gearhead both can be successful, especially once each realizes that they need the other skill and starts picking it up.
Thanks Mr. Tim
please i would like to ask what type of PLC module kits should a beginner purchase.
Great question. I touch on that some in this video.
ruclips.net/video/6roQE_ZWeZk/видео.html
Hi Tim, I come from the IT field and I'm considering switching to the PLC programmer field. I took a class In PLC programming about 6, 7 years ago and liked it. I took it for fun while getting my bachelor's in IT. How hard would it be for someone like me to get an entirely-level job as a PLC programmer? do you recommend taking some online or face-to-face classes? Any advice would be much appreciated. Thank you for your time.
The biggest thing to realize is there are no "PLC programmer" jobs. You'll way more time troubleshooting control systems than programming them. For troubleshooting, I would do face to face. You can learn the programming online. Check out this lesson series. twcontrols.com/micro800-connected-components-workbench-lessons
Hello. I have couple questions and hope you will find couple minutes to respond.
I work as a maintenance electrician and perform many automation tech tasks like Ethernet IP, DeviceNet installation and troubleshooting, PLC troubleshooting and components installation.
I passed couple online PLC programming courses RSlogix 500 and Studio5000.
I personally maintain whole warehouse in Chicago airport.
1. Is it possible to get to the programming without degree?
2. On couple interviews I was told yoy need a degree from RECOGNIZED university to work in engineering.
What is your opinion people dont trust without degree but dont even ask to show the laptop?
3. What is better AB special courses, collage degree or collage cerficate?
Thank you
These are extremely good questions. I'll try to address them all tomorrow.
Q1: I work as a maintenance electrician and perform many automation tech tasks like Ethernet IP, DeviceNet installation and troubleshooting, PLC troubleshooting and components installation.
A1: Then you are probably in the best learning environment possible.
I passed couple online PLC programming courses RSlogix 500 and Studio5000.
This may or may not be a good resume builder. I talk about the variety of training courses out there in this video. ruclips.net/video/6Tp13jIFMno/видео.html
Q2: Is it possible to get to the programming without degree?
A2: Yes but you may have to get a Masters from the College of Hard Knocks.
Q3: On couple interviews I was told you need a degree from RECOGNIZED university to work in engineering.
A3: If that is their rule then it is their rule. It is really not up for discussion, you just won't be a good fit for that company.
Q4: What is your opinion people don't trust without degree but don't even ask to show the laptop?
A4: I don't think either is a good indicator of a potential employee's capabilities. I've seen college graduates that can't connect to a PLC and I've seen "programming test" done in interviews that are straight out of a college textbook.
Q5: What is better AB special courses, college degree or college certificate?
A5: All will help you build your skills. It is hard to pit one against the other. The real question is what options are available to you and what pain point are you willing to reach to see it through. The pain could be money, time, or any barrier that seems impossible to cross.
Good morning Ivan, our industry has changed I know many here commenting can validate what I'm about to post, companies realize the importance of a degree and will at time post specific requirements for employee candidates. Things like knowing python ,c++ etc. Also companies will post engineering degree mechatronics degree , what's important is that theyall share one common denominator STEM. slowly or maybe already you'll be noticing jobs worded this way. What I'm doing or have done, is prepare resumes with my experience bullet points specifically targeting the new job requirements from that experience I have. I may have min experience starting a project rslogic project from scratch but Ido know the steps to launch one.
I'm proof you do not need a degree to become a programmer and engineer. I started out at an automation integrator while going for an associates in Electrical System Controls. I built panels part time and school full time. A few months into the job the work started pilling up so I decided to finish a semester and quit school all together. I was learning WAY more building, installing and troubleshooting control systems I felt I had no need for the degree as I'd already found myself in the field. After three years of building, installing and troubleshooting I was handed the reigns on designing and programming simple motor start/stop controls. AFter showing an aptitude for that combined with a willingness to learn I was thrown at a project WAY over my head. A polisher line with over 12 different motors in all combinations of servo, stepper, AC & DC and all programmed on a german PLC i'd never even heard of! I was used to Allen Bradely, Wago, and Schneider. BUT I asked questions and was able to build the project, drawings, logic, panel design and build. All from just a parts list and concepts given to me by an engineer. Like he said in the video. You;'ve got to find a place that will foster your curiosity and let you step into the programming roll. Show an interest and stay on them about it. Ask the engineers questions and show them you know what youre doing and it will reward you! Good luck!
My formal educational background consists of three years of electronics, one year of trade school for microsystems technology, and a wide range of products from Xerox, Dell, Hp, and Kip (electro-mechanical products). A few months ago I purchased the Technician's Dream Bundle from Koldwater and I'm almost done with it. I'm very confident in my troubleshooting skills but not so much in programming. One of the things I love about your videos is that they almost always have hardware in them (Lego Leaf Plane ;-). Outside of watching your videos, What would you suggest to someone that's looking for a position in the industrial electrical maintenance field?
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Twelve years copier/printer tech
Two years Dell computer tech
Ten years of auto repair
Sounds like you already have some good troubleshooting experience. Those are the toughest skills to learn in a classroom so you are mainly just needing familiarity with hardware used in the industry and PLC programming software. I'm not sure I wouldn't start polishing my resume. Technicians with good troubleshooting skills are in high demand. Then get you a PLC to start playing with, I give some tip on this at ruclips.net/video/6roQE_ZWeZk/видео.html
Then start following some of the questions others are asking at some of the control forums such as www.plctalk.net. Start trying to follow and test some of the recommendations others are making then start trying to offer your own solutions.
Hey Tim, I am super interested in getting into building panel. I never went to Collage, But been in Maintenance and electrical stuff all my life. I help our engineer's here where i work build a couple of panels. What would i need to do to get a job building them. I saw a job for a position but did not know if i even had a chance.
While not exactly what you're looking for, this video has some additional tips.
ruclips.net/video/X1y1sQnAdXQ/видео.html
I just had an Interview for a maintenance electrician technician position at a local company that's fixing to expand and update their Machinery I felt the Interview went great, I was however a bit concerned about everything I'll be doing until this video! This is the kind of company that if you have an idea they will give you the parts and say go make it work. This is exactly what I need to advance my plc skillset and electrical career! Major win! Now let's hope I landed it! I mess with plcs at home often doing little projects. I have a fully automated mini ball mill I programmed to run a set amount of cycles then shut down and reset the counter and be ready to go again once start is hit. I've also worked in industry doing a lot of fine tuning of vfd speeds and parameters of tile production equipment. I think I may have found myself a good career! I've also worked with laser guided vehicles. I really hope I get this job!
I hope you land the job. It is a great career!
Im student of vocational school and last trimester we learn plc 1,2 troubleshooting A basic robotics and I work full time also but after school they will give me a job as a maintenance or technician what do you think do I need to stick to technician position or start as mechanic if they offer me only that 1st?I goes they need to check what I know from plc and electrical??
A maintenance position is one of the best ways to refine your skills. Good luck!
@@TimWilborne I will have that on my mind Thank you ;)
How about for someone trying to break into the field with no work experience involving PLCs or electrical equipment? I'm an operator at a plant where automation is everywhere, I have experience operating the equipment but beyond that I have a very basic understanding of the PLC systems.
A local community college offers an automated industrial technology associates, where they give you hands on experience on mechatronics and programmable controls. Would that be a good place to start?
Great question Erik! The local community college may be a good place to start but even before that, go talk to your employer and see if they offer any education incentives that may help offset the cost.
Another great way to get free training is to see if you can help do maintenance in off hours. Most maintenance staffs I know are always looking for some extra help. Even if they just have your greasing bearings, you'll be getting familiar with the equipment.
Many community colleges also offer 6 week workforce redevelopment programs. These would be good to go through just to give you an idea of what you are getting into and make sure it is what you are looking for before you invest a large amount of time and money.
And finally we offer self paced trainers that can help you learn when you are not at work. You can find our lessons at www.theautomationstore.com/lessons/
Feel free to ask any specific questions as they come up.
@@TimWilborne My employer pays for our educational costs so that's not an issue. I also have a lot of experience with the maintenance side of things because we operate the equipment and maintain it as well. However the only thing we can't touch are the PLCs I try to poke my nose in whenever the techs are troubleshooting an issue with the PLC or doing pm's on them, but I still have my job to do.
My biggest concern is going through the program at the community college program and not being able to land a job because of the experience issue. From what I have seen, electricians and instrumentation guys are mainly the guys who get hired to work as PLC techs at my job, and I feel like a two year degree wouldn't help me much when I'm going up against their work experience.
Thanks for your help, I'll look into the lessons you linked. I appreciate it.
@@erik3423 A couple of thoughts. First, if your employer will pay for you educational cost then you should take advantage of it when ever you can.
It's a sign of a progressive company and they will also take note of your interest in furthering yourself.
But you are right, education can't substitute for work experience. Our lessons are free and can help you get a good enough understanding of programming that you can peek over the tech's shoulder and understand what is going on.
Also next week we're putting out a video on "Becoming an Engineer" which is about getting more women in automation, but Natasha gives some great tips for changing careers so make sure you are subscribe. I think it will come out Monday.
Is there much heavy lifting? I would love to do something like this, but i have a bad heart and cant lift much
@@seanc2430 Hi Sean. It would depend on the specific industry. I've built panels that weigh 20 pounds and panels that weigh 2,500 pounds.
Hi Tim, I want to know about minimum physical condition to be able to start this job. I have herniated disk problem. Would you please describe if this job needs lifting heavy weights (panels, toolbox, ...) or other heavy physical activities? (I've seen your answer to the question 3 months ago, but to be honest, I didn't get if I can do that or not, can you please describe more?)
It would be very dependent on the particular job.
Thank you for the video, very informative. I am highly intrigued to get in the field of automation and PLC’s. However, I am in a different situation. I have no degree but, I do have 20 years in the manufacturing field. Fanuc robot programming, CNC/wire EDM programming, plastic injection molding and general machining. Do I need a degree to get into this field? Is it possible to get in with a company and get on the job training? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Have a great day!
Hi Clint. Great question! It is possible to get into the field without a degree but it will be dependent on the particular company.
I'm 53-year-old in a couple months. I have no college. Is it too late to learn PLC Programming? If it helps, I have 10 years experience with CNC operating machines. Thanks
It's never too late to learn Keith!
@@TimWilborne I hope not. Will a Technical College work or will I need a 4-year degree? Sorry for all the questions.
@@keithclark8030 It will depend on your particular situation and where you hope to land in your career but I lean towards the technical colleges.
@@TimWilborne Thank you sir. I am looking into it.
What are some great companies to get hard Knox experience in, in your opinion?
That is a great question Al and probably deserves it's own video. I've seen small mom and pop automation shops and world class companies be great College of Hard Knox experiences but you are looking for a unique company. Let me do some brainstorming.
@@TimWilborne look forward to hearing more, thank you.
Im going to school to be an instrumentation technician. My job will consist of troubleshooting, maintaining and installing instruments within a chemical refinery . Will there be opportunities for me to learn about PLC programming or perhaps do it full time?
Hi Ricky. Great questions! At larger scale refineries, you probably will get less exposure to PLCs. For one, there are more people with more specific task but also many of these operate via DCS systems which are a little different.
Also, as I have said many times. There are no "full time" PLC programmers. I consider myself a PLC programmer and I spend about 10% of my time programming PLCs. The rest is spent designing controls, building control panels, and maintaining existing systems.
The big thing I would say is be inquisitive. Show interest in learning and your employer will help you.
Good luck!
I'm really interested in doing automation and PLC's. My college has an Electrical Engineering Technology program and an Electronics Engineering Technology program. My question is, would it be better to take the Electrical ET program or the Electronics ET program? Which program is geared towards doing PLC stuff?
Oh that is a tough one Paul! They are both great programs. Definitely consult your academic advisor but if I had to chose, I would base if off which one I enjoy working with more. Both will lead you to a great career. Good luck!
I just graduated with a degree in Electrical Engineering and I want to get into the field of Automation using HMIs and PLCs. I just have college experience using ladder logic, how do I stand out to land a job in the field?
Congratulations on graduating! As I say in the video, just be honest with your potential employer about your comfort level with PLCs and make sure you have opportunities to both learn and fail. You will need some on the job experience to polish your skills and there are many opportunities out there to do that.
Be the person who is not afraid to troubleshoot , why cause that catches the attention of the senior persons, they admire that, they might laugh at your early on skills, but they are the best and being able to take constructive criticism let's then see you. You start standing out , you become a helper , then the person who figured it out . But don't forget to share war stories of the troubleshooting with those around you.
is there any certification course out there for trouble-shooting?
It is hard to beat hands on experience when it comes to troubleshooting so I don't recommend an online course for that.
But how much does a plc programmer make?
We have a video coming on that :)
But the broad answer is a yearly salary averaging $75K, high $115K, entry around $30K without any experience.
Hourly average $36, with an entry around $20 and a high of $55
. Now for all the buyers out there reading this, that is what you make, not what you charge. When you account for expenses it is around $160 per hour.
Hello Tim, I’m a 32 year old truck drive wanting to switch careers paths. Do you have any steps you could recommend to get into the field of automation?
Thank you so
Truck driving is an excellent way to make a living but as you've probably figured out, there isn't a lot of options for moving up out of the drivers seat.
I think the first question you have to make sure you have answered is are you sure automation the field you should switch to? I hear lots of people saying they want to get into automation so they can spend their days writing PLC programs. That is probably 10% of what I do. What attracts you to industrial automation?
Hi Tim! I’m graduating with an associate degree in Mechatronics next year. Um how would I go about getting a job in this industry with some PLC experience?
Congratulations Mac! Most schools have some type of career connection center, that is where I would start. Even today, your skills are very much in demand.
I just which career after tens in the graphic design field. the beginning of the year I started in electrical control systems field. I’m currently in college and have a few credit left till I have an Associate degree in engineering technology. I want to continue to get electrical engineering bachelor degree. But For the last 12 months I have been wiring, building panels and learning how to troubleshoot them. I have took a class in plc. I want to start practicing now at home. I have the Micro820 PLC controller. I’m building my scratch. At my job we work mobile bridge control. From bridge span and barrier/warning gate. I want to freelance in the future. Do I have to buy studio5000 or can I use a free software to learn the concept. I love your channel. I wish I found it last year.
You can use the free version of Connected Components Workbench with the lessons at the link below.
twcontrols.com/micro800-connected-components-workbench-lessons
@@TimWilborne thanks for the quick response
You are welcome.
@@TimWilborne happy new year 🎊
awsome thank you for this!
You are welcome.
I would love to do something like this but unfortunatly i have a bad heart and cant do much heavy lifting will that be a problem. Is there much heavy lifting?
Hi Sean. It would depend on the specific industry. I've built panels that weigh 20 pounds and panels that weigh 2,500 pounds. I'd contact some of the local panel builders.
Hi! Ive been wanting to ask you if there is ANY way to work with PLC programming without having gone to college for it? And if not, is this a skill I can learn through an online college? Im so very interested in this career field, but may have waited too long to find my passion, (31 yrs old). :(
Hi Kayla. It is never too late to learn a new skill! And yes you can learn PLCs without college. Is there a particular brand of PLC you wish to learn?
Hi Sir, I have a bachelors degree in software development and I was thinking switching to this career, is this career would fit to me? I was looking around for plc programmer description mostly were electrical engineer major. Thanks in advance.
Both electrical and mechanical knowledge are equally important to being a successful PLC programmer but a degree isn't required in either.
Tim Wilborne thank you very much sir for answering my question. I am beginning my transition to plc programmer hopefully in a year or less than a year I could acquire a job as a plc programmer. Is there any practical project I could do on my own to gain experience in this field? Is there any training kit that I could purchase and build/program something from that kit? Thanks again and blessings to you all.
@@woody-xm5ve Most people with bachelor degrees ton't like my answer but the best practical experience you can gain for a job as a PLC programmer is to work maintenance somewhere.
Awsome video 👍🏽
Thanks for watching!
please help me ,I'm pursuing engineering and want to become automation engineer
You've found a good place to start. we have a new PLC programming series coming out in January. Make sure you are subscribed. Are you signed up for classes currently?
@@TimWilborne yes I had subscribed ur channel sir
@@TimWilborne but not signed up for classes ,how to signed up for classes sir
You don't need to sign up for classes for PLC programming. I was mainly inquiry about "pursuing engineering". We keep a schedule of upcoming videos in our RUclips page banner. Also here is a link to a great PLC lesson series.
www.theautomationstore.com/rslogix-500-industrial-control-panel-trainer-lessons/
@@TimWilborne thank you sir
you are great teacher :-)
Thank you!
@Tim do you realize that you never get a call for an interview if you do not have working experience ??? It is like listening to a woman describing the type of a man she wants and ending up with the complete opposite. And all that work for free is something that you need luck as well. So yeah, only 1% of the companies out there want to invest in inexperienced engineers. It is exactly the same as the countries/states that do not invest in education. I mean come on,tell the youngsters in here the truth about "our kind" .
CREATE THE TRAINER FOR REAL-WORLD PROBLEMS
We're working on it Ryan.
Make the sims
I’m looking for an internship 🤦🏾♂️
The best place to learn about potential internships is you local college. They will know which companies commonly take on interns.