Why weren't you sawing the wheel back and forth to try to get unstuck? Did you stop there or did the snow bring you to a halt? Sure the tires are bad but i'm betting the driver had something to do with it too.
These guys are old but gold They are really passionate about driving. Despite of you age ANDRE,ROMAN and NATHAN keep going and going and going ,because there may be the end of trail but there's no end of journey. I see you guys going by seeing those subs😁Im really happy. Its winter now hoping to see lots of snowy adventures. Great Job guys
Roman, a good tip when you're stuck in snow with no traction is to remove your floor mats and olace them under the spinning tire..that will give you grip and momentum enough to pull you out of the situation
+Geovanni Delgado That doesn't always work though. From experience, normally what happens is either the mat gets covered in snow and ice and doesn't provide any traction at all or the tire just flings it out from under the car.
Great job showing how tires and even the type of snow make all the difference in the world. That video of the older 4 runner with winter tires just walking right up with no issues and now this shows how much a difference the right tires make.
Roman, a little throttle control goes a long way. Just flooring a diesel with all that torque sure as hell won't help with traction. Aaah we still love you Muricans 😂😂😂😂
+Joshua Webb this could be true because those (summer) tires has to be shining in a show room of the car dealer, so they are definetelly sprayed by smth.
Ziad El-Koussa i just wonder what brand and model of those tires? Tell us the name and we'll try to google them if they are winter or not at all. I don't think they are good on snow.
+Joshua Webb +BAU +StephenMc2000 All of the above. haha. I think they possibly are slicked a bit by the dealership, but the road probably would have worn that off, on the way to the trail. I have done some snow off-roading, and my tires looked like that just from melted snow. It basically cleans them to a shine.That all said, I know TFL does their reviews with the stock tires. Anyone who actually wanted to do this would have tires with chains and/or studs.
This guy is a bloody goat, if youre in deep snow, you are supposed to go into the sand mode. Read the user manual atleast if you dont know about off roading. know the difference, the mode youre in initially is you driving off in a higher gear to avoid wheel slip.. Have you ever tried to launch a car when stuck in mud??? sigh..
What an amazing amount of effort to show that you don't know what you're doing. You can get the tyres (tires in your lingo) to fit those wheels, but surely you knew that. Going into deep snow on those tyres was always going to end in tears no matter what car they were fitted to. I suspect you were doing it to make a point to other people who don't know how. If you'd let the tyres down they would have changed the contact patch enough to get it moving. What you did was make the problem worse by spinning the wheels aimlessly until you were dug right in. Not the behaviour of an experienced off roader. Land Rovers are without question the king of the hill when it comes to the rough stuff, you just got one of the best off roaders in the world stuck, well done mate!
Range Rover makes a very capable AWD/4x4 vehicle but that's what happens when you take a vehicle with junk Good-Year tires off road in snow and ice. With a good set of tires you wouldn't have had that problem....Another lesson to be learned here is don't go off roading alone, especially in adverse conditions! You should always have another vehicle with you in case of issue. What happened to you is a perfect example of why it should not be done alone.
Summer tires are garbage in snow, can't stop or get much traction, but spinning them hard isn't the way to get out. Once your stuck, you slowly go back and forward, you don't overspin like in the mood, because the snow melts and become ice, besides you go deeper and have to shovel. Great show, but not great winter driving skills.
Even that raptor would have a hard time without snow tires. Land Rover Range Rover unmistakenly the best off road vehicle out there. proud owner of a range rover .
Had a big snowstorm where i live not long ago. I took a Discovery 2 on SUMMER TIRES to the steepest hill i could find for some fun. Found a Range Rover Sport (previous gen) with tires just like those in the video, no doubt summer tires too. It was a narrow road and he was sliding side to side trying to climb it. Sat at a good distance behind him and as soon as he stopped, i i took my opportunity and sailed right past him up the hill. Low range 2nd gear, wasnt using momentum, just traction. The Disco did struggle a little but it soon clambered up. Looked in my mirror and he was trying to turn around but got wedged sideways blocking the road. fun times, shame i didnt take a rope. That Range rover Sport was literally worth 20 times the value of the Disco, and i'm sure they're very capable, but slick tires ruin everything apart from looks!
Those aren't even M+S tires. If you look on tirerack, the Eagle F1s are "max performance summer". The tread compound is too hard when cold, the tread design is anything but snow friendly.
I chalked this video up when he said he would have to walk to get signal after being an idiot and just spun his wheels a few times and gave up. No REAL man would do that unless he exhausted EVERY option to get it unstuck.
Typically you only want a skinny tire when driving in the snow on the street. Offroad you want a wide tire so you float on top and don't sink. Any reason you didn't rock the steering back and forth?
Great idea to grab some more sponsors. I watch all your videos and your real world tests are more helpful than any spec sheet. My only suggestion is maybe just post a 1/4 mile time with 0-60mph. Although I would like to see the track run, posting it is sufficient.
Roman, you should invest in a set of Maxtrax (or similar) traction boards for your off-road tests. Easy to use and very effective for getting yourself unstuck.
Virtually no one who buys a Range Rover will ever take it off road. Those are probably the most "aggressive" tires you'll ever find on one of those soccer mom mobiles.
Roman, I really enjoyed this video. I am also thinking the day was getting warmer meaning the snow was at the worst condition it could be for traction. We have been in a situation where we had to wait for cooler temps for the snow to (powder up) which can make conditions easier to drive in. Maybe a small recovery kit to take from vehicle to vehicle when you go to play, I mean test. Thanks TFL. Wayne
I hate to tell you this, but one of these days you are going to die in the hills. You have been up there numerous times and you know the snow can be deep. :-( Please, at least bring some long cable ties with you. Wrap them around the tires and they can work as temporary tire chains. Glad that you got out in one piece.
Roman I'm not sure who or what stated there is no way a synthetic cable or rope will not fail but that is an incorrect. Failure can occur from the manufacturing process to operator errors. Remember the Titanic was unsinkable according the ship builder. Also a good practice for any winching is to place a coat over the line to prevent it from snapping back.
Hey TFL, is it at all possible for you to purchase a standard tire + wheel set (commonly available but good for light offroading) that you can put on all the vehicles you take offroad, so that there is a proper comparison between the vehicles?
Granted the M & S tyres on 20" wheels is far from an ideal off-roading set up. However, if the RR Sport was equipped with the Off-Road Package (Two-speed transfer box & also a locking rear differential, if I'm not mistaken), might it have fared a little better?
Quite funny video because Roman looks like a newbie which owns his very first car and snow is a big surprise for him. I guess nobody else would go into the mountains on those tires designed strictly for roads. Now I know why even lite snow called a snow storm for drivers - they just don't have snow tires so even range rover with 4x4 becomes a helpless car...
You do not want narrow tires for snow or mud. You want wide tires with good size sidewalls so that you can lower the air pressure and ride on top of the snow. Narrow tires dig down to much so your constantly trying to push snow out of the way of the tires, or climb up the snow in front of the tires.
What sucks about all land rovers is that they make their brakes/rims so big you can't actually get an off road tire to fit on a stock suspension set up. You can barely find any low profile all terrain tires. Just proves Land Rovers are just for show.
+bmwmsport11 RangeRovers are a fashion accessory, which is a great shame because, correctly shod, they have unsurpassed off-road ability. The tyres on this RangeRover are low profile performance tyres, and are totally unsuitable for any off-road use.
+Invincible Osprey for any other brand, yes. But for these new land rovers, there is little room for downsizing rims. Brakes are too big. I was reading on LR4s and it turns out the smallest rim that work are 19s(stock size). 18s from the LR3 aren't big enough to clear the calipers, even though it's the same exact bolt pattern/offset.
i most say dont know where you buy your tires from but i have many friends that drive range rover for the purpose of off roading and they never had this problem at all its tries not the car so stop blaming Land Rover for Goodyear's problem you can off road tries for a range rover that will just anywhere that sales tries and it would only make since the tires on this range rover would not be fit for snow given the fact that it's a Range Rover Sport emphasis on sport it's based on on the road driving not off road driving get yourself a regular Range Rover and you'll be fine
This is really the fault of most manufacturers: they advertise a certain capability for their SUVs, but stick them in glorified summer tires. In all honesty, the majority of the car-owning public can be very clueless. I've seen Jeeps slip in a few inches of wet snow because the tires were essentially bald and poorly maintained. Roman, please keep up the great videos and try to keep the manufacturers honest about their vehicles. No one would ever take a stock $85k SUV off-road, so it's great that you guys do it, or at least try. When I buy the Pilot, it's great knowing that with some skill and patience, it can go up Gold Mine hill in stock form. Obviously, the most it will ever see is a few inches of know, a dirt road, or on the beach, but it's nice to know someone has successfully driven it off-road.
I lived near Philadelphia for 5 years and never used snow tires but I would be interested to see if they make a big difference, not that I really need them where I live now.
It's funny how all the terrain management selection and other computer assistance didn't have a difference. My understanding is if you select snow/ice you start in a higher gear and throttle mapping is changed to prevent wheelspin. But then it was obviously overwhelmed by lead foot racer Roman. Spinning like that was the worst thing you could have done because you overheated the tires turning the snow to ice under the tire and melting any snow in contact with the tire so it gripped even less. It sure makes the Land Cruiser look good and almost a bargain even thought the drive was still M. Leadfoot. I suspect with a diesel it probably would have almost idled down that hill if you didn't try to dig yourself to China. Another problem with modern SUV's are the huge diameter wheels with very short sidewall tires that won't allow you to air down to have a bigger contact patch improving grip. The extra weight of a diesel would have helped not hindered you. The Raptor has even more weight on wider tires (but they were better tires though not the best winter tire.) Not to brag about Toyotas because even the Raptor made it, but it would have been nice to see what CRAWL control would have done in similar conditions. I don't think your idea about funding winter tires to test is a good one. It's been done to death. I do feel however that it may be a good idea to pay for Roman to take a winter driving course, he desperately needs one. Maybe Andre could give you tips?
As someone who has only once ever drove in snow, when do you use chains on your tires? I ask as someone on the comment section mentioned you can't get off road tyres for the range rovers big rims and breaks. So would the solution not be chains?
Crappy tires, and probably no momentum. I'm sure if you put better snow tires on the Rover, the same exact tires that are on the Raptor, I am sure it would make it up
Last week I made 1000+ km thru Canadian rockies in a rental Chrysler 300 S with 20" performance tires and RWD...was scary and fun in the same time but I didn't get stuck :D
You want skinny tired for snow? Yeah, that's why snowmachines, bicycle snow tires and arctic vehicles all have narrow tracks/tires on them.....Hence why you let air out of your tires to give you a bigger footprint in the snow because wider is better.
+Seraphim Valkyrin Not necessarily. Snow tires are usually skinnier than performance tires. Look at rally cars and their studded snow tires. The idea is to have greater pressure on the contact surface, push through/away the snow, and have the studs grip the surface below the snow.
Not exactly, a wide tire needs something to help it make traction with the snow. They weren't sinking, like in fresh powder, they were spinning all four on the surface. A narrower tire concentrates the force due to gravity (weight), allowing the tire to dig in harder and make more traction.
Considering that you weren't sinking, the Diesel engine's mass was helping give you more pressure on the snow. Of course, probably still lighter than the supercharged V8.
I think you guys need to keep the Raptor. I know it's probably not the cheapest insurance policy, but it sure has more than it's fair share of advantages.
You guys should invest in some MaxTrax and throw them in the trunk (or bed) any time you run those snowy trails. You could have gotten unstuck quickly.
Not sure why I keep watching these TFLT videos expecting any real information. Why was this video 9 minutes long? What did we learn? Do they really think we click on truck videos to watch snow angels and snowball fights?
Today's lesson. When doing adventures off road and you leave support staff behind, buy CB radios. Their cheap and way more effective in mountains than a cell phone.
Um, no, never will I ever own one of these. Roman, be careful and always have a plan. Be prepared when you go up in the mountains. I LIKE TFL and I don't want to see you or your staff get hurt, ending the show.
+Retired AF CE Thanks for the comment and concern. Very much appreciated! Roman says the only thing that was hurt in the making of this video was his hand and his pride.
All 4x4's need good tires to be effective in mud and snow and most good 4x4's come stock with crap tires! If you can afford an $80,000 Land Rover you should be able to afford a set of dedicated winter or all terrain tires and rims. I replaced my stock crap tires within 3,500 miles of buying my FJ new. In no way am I bashing TFLtruck, I realize they can't modify free test vehicles with new tires but they could put KO2's on the old Raptor lol.
+ZepG that is why they own real 4x4's JEEP yj jk's and fit them with good tires. This mall crawler will never see any real action and there is no tire that will fit in stock form on the rims/suspension. Not any real off road tire so your point is mute. The Fj is going the same way the original FJ's from the 70-80 were real trucks the new one is a mall crawler with light off road abilities.
You 're right the tires are at fault. Either the tread is a manufacture mistake, the tires are a Goodyear knock off from Chins, or Goodyear gave Land Rover a really "good" deal on the tires. On my full sized vans and trucks I run Goodyear Wranglers or Michelin AT and AT 2 never had problems like that. Maybe too much "Armor All" was sprayed on the tread face?
Lived in Anchorage AK for twenty years and from the looks of this video that poor SUV riding on those tires wouldn't be able to get out of the neighborhood on a wet and heavy snowfall.
ever heard of turning to rock it out? that was the most pathetic thing I have ever seen! anyone with some little knowledge could of got that out. I wouldn't of posted this embarrassment.
Next time put some Drag radial tires, then you can walk Gold MIne HIll at idle the whole way.. Mud/snow doesnt matter those tires grip like crazy offroad !! oh wait !!!
From what I can tell there are no off road or even all terrain tires available to fit *ANY* Range Rover or Range Rover Sport model. And that's a shame.
Raptor tyres BF Goodrich All-Terrain TA/KO thi is on an equal footing.?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Roman, I am constantly shocked at videos like this. Every single one shows a Range Rover with stock all season tires. I owned many Audis all quarto, when I drive in the snow I throw Nokian tires on. The Audi S6 would plow snow in Upstate NY winter storms where the roads have deep snow and the police are stuck in the roads. You sir are doing a huge disservice by not putting Nokian tires on that Range Rover. I promise you, that car will not get stuck in that snow with Nokian tires on it. It's traction control is superior to Audi. Show some intelligence people and put snow tires on cars your taking into the snow. Watching this is painful like all the other RUclips videos showing a range Rover in less than moderate snow. FYI roman skinny tires will only get you buried in deep snow and bottom your vehicle out. I lived in Western NY to be specific for over 50 years. Never ever once did an Audi or SUV get stuck in feet of snow with Nokian tires on them. Oh however I have pulled many many 4x4 150 and 250 trucks out of deep snow who were idiots running the roads on all season's. My H2 with all season's useless in the snow. However with proper Snow tires, it was unstoppable. Grow up folks and show a proper video with Snow tires on the vehicle, not Walmart brand tires either, Nokian or Michelin snow tires, ever Coopers works. Cheers and best of luck
Why weren't you sawing the wheel back and forth to try to get unstuck? Did you stop there or did the snow bring you to a halt? Sure the tires are bad but i'm betting the driver had something to do with it too.
Totally agree
These guys are old but gold They are really passionate about driving. Despite of you age ANDRE,ROMAN and NATHAN keep going and going and going ,because there may be the end of trail but there's no end of journey. I see you guys going by seeing those subs😁Im really happy. Its winter now hoping to see lots of snowy adventures. Great Job guys
Roman, a good tip when you're stuck in snow with no traction is to remove your floor mats and olace them under the spinning tire..that will give you grip and momentum enough to pull you out of the situation
+Geovanni Delgado Thanks for the great advice. Much appreciated.
Might not want to rip up the floor mats, i don't think the manufacturer would appreciate that
+Matt Kingsley yea but I rather rip those floor mats up, then to possibly die of hypothermia or get eaten by a Yetti..
Geovanni Delgado in a dire situation yes rip them up, but they were far from it and better to keep the people who lend you the cars happy
+Geovanni Delgado That doesn't always work though. From experience, normally what happens is either the mat gets covered in snow and ice and doesn't provide any traction at all or the tire just flings it out from under the car.
Great job showing how tires and even the type of snow make all the difference in the world. That video of the older 4 runner with winter tires just walking right up with no issues and now this shows how much a difference the right tires make.
Roman, a little throttle control goes a long way. Just flooring a diesel with all that torque sure as hell won't help with traction. Aaah we still love you Muricans 😂😂😂😂
Those tires are embarrassing. Looks like they were oiled up first. No grip at all.
+Joshua Webb this could be true because those (summer) tires has to be shining in a show room of the car dealer, so they are definetelly sprayed by smth.
probably from spinning in the snow and melted it. made them wet and slick
+Joshua Webb I have the same tires and they work fine in the snow
Ziad El-Koussa i just wonder what brand and model of those tires? Tell us the name and we'll try to google them if they are winter or not at all. I don't think they are good on snow.
+Joshua Webb +BAU +StephenMc2000 All of the above. haha. I think they possibly are slicked a bit by the dealership, but the road probably would have worn that off, on the way to the trail. I have done some snow off-roading, and my tires looked like that just from melted snow. It basically cleans them to a shine.That all said, I know TFL does their reviews with the stock tires. Anyone who actually wanted to do this would have tires with chains and/or studs.
This guy is a bloody goat, if youre in deep snow, you are supposed to go into the sand mode. Read the user manual atleast if you dont know about off roading. know the difference, the mode youre in initially is you driving off in a higher gear to avoid wheel slip.. Have you ever tried to launch a car when stuck in mud??? sigh..
The Raptor is so bad ass. Thanks Andrei. :-)
What an amazing amount of effort to show that you don't know what you're doing. You can get the tyres (tires in your lingo) to fit those wheels, but surely you knew that. Going into deep snow on those tyres was always going to end in tears no matter what car they were fitted to. I suspect you were doing it to make a point to other people who don't know how. If you'd let the tyres down they would have changed the contact patch enough to get it moving. What you did was make the problem worse by spinning the wheels aimlessly until you were dug right in. Not the behaviour of an experienced off roader. Land Rovers are without question the king of the hill when it comes to the rough stuff, you just got one of the best off roaders in the world stuck, well done mate!
I like the tire comparison idea. Hopefully you guys can get some tire companies on board.
Range Rover makes a very capable AWD/4x4 vehicle but that's what happens when you take a vehicle with junk Good-Year tires off road in snow and ice.
With a good set of tires you wouldn't have had that problem....Another lesson to be learned here is don't go off roading alone, especially in adverse conditions! You should always have another vehicle with you in case of issue. What happened to you is a perfect example of why it should not be done alone.
This just proves that the Raptor is an awesome truck.
freezor80 you mean the winch is great and the tires he has on the raptor are awesome
Love the "Raptor Rescue" segments! That Ford SVT Raptor needs to stay in the house!
Raptor looks fantastic.
Never gun it to get out of the ice/snow. give it just enough gas to start moving. It's the driver.
need some Bridgestone Blizzaks, have them on my crv, work great in the canadian winter
I would love to see how it does with some good tires!
Summer tires are garbage in snow, can't stop or get much traction, but spinning them hard isn't the way to get out.
Once your stuck, you slowly go back and forward, you don't overspin like in the mood, because the snow melts and become ice, besides you go deeper and have to shovel.
Great show, but not great winter driving skills.
Even that raptor would have a hard time without snow tires. Land Rover Range Rover unmistakenly the best off road vehicle out there. proud owner of a range rover .
mrsteel10213 umm the raptor comes stock with BF Goodrich so you would have to downgrade the tires
I love these Gold Mine videos
Had a big snowstorm where i live not long ago. I took a Discovery 2 on SUMMER TIRES to the steepest hill i could find for some fun. Found a Range Rover Sport (previous gen) with tires just like those in the video, no doubt summer tires too. It was a narrow road and he was sliding side to side trying to climb it. Sat at a good distance behind him and as soon as he stopped, i i took my opportunity and sailed right past him up the hill. Low range 2nd gear, wasnt using momentum, just traction. The Disco did struggle a little but it soon clambered up. Looked in my mirror and he was trying to turn around but got wedged sideways blocking the road. fun times, shame i didnt take a rope. That Range rover Sport was literally worth 20 times the value of the Disco, and i'm sure they're very capable, but slick tires ruin everything apart from looks!
Those aren't even M+S tires. If you look on tirerack, the Eagle F1s are "max performance summer". The tread compound is too hard when cold, the tread design is anything but snow friendly.
That's strange as it says M+S on the tire. You may want to let Goodyear know as they have mislabeled their tires.
TFL needs to get a regular G500 or G550 whichever they are calling them now and try Gold Mine Hill.
I chalked this video up when he said he would have to walk to get signal after being an idiot and just spun his wheels a few times and gave up. No REAL man would do that unless he exhausted EVERY option to get it unstuck.
Those tires give a whole new dimension to the word "slicks"!
Goodyear Eagle F1 tires are definitely summer performance tires and not rated for mud and snow.
Typically you only want a skinny tire when driving in the snow on the street. Offroad you want a wide tire so you float on top and don't sink.
Any reason you didn't rock the steering back and forth?
Great idea to grab some more sponsors. I watch all your videos and your real world tests are more helpful than any spec sheet. My only suggestion is maybe just post a 1/4 mile time with 0-60mph. Although I would like to see the track run, posting it is sufficient.
Roman, you should invest in a set of Maxtrax (or similar) traction boards for your off-road tests. Easy to use and very effective for getting yourself unstuck.
Virtually no one who buys a Range Rover will ever take it off road. Those are probably the most "aggressive" tires you'll ever find on one of those soccer mom mobiles.
+unitedgray just need winter tire.
Nice shoes Roman, I have the exact same pair of Hokas. Great shoes.
Why didn't you even try turning the steering right and left maybe you would've got out !
Roman, I really enjoyed this video. I am also thinking the day was getting warmer meaning the snow was at the worst condition it could be for traction. We have been in a situation where we had to wait for cooler temps for the snow to (powder up) which can make conditions easier to drive in. Maybe a small recovery kit to take from vehicle to vehicle when you go to play, I mean test. Thanks TFL. Wayne
I hate to tell you this, but one of these days you are going to die in the hills. You have been up there numerous times and you know the snow can be deep. :-( Please, at least bring some long cable ties with you. Wrap them around the tires and they can work as temporary tire chains. Glad that you got out in one piece.
No offense guys but...other than advertising for the Ford Raptor, this video was totally useless.
Roman I'm not sure who or what stated there is no way a synthetic cable or rope will not fail but that is an incorrect. Failure can occur from the manufacturing process to operator errors. Remember the Titanic was unsinkable according the ship builder. Also a good practice for any winching is to place a coat over the line to prevent it from snapping back.
Hey TFL, is it at all possible for you to purchase a standard tire + wheel set (commonly available but good for light offroading) that you can put on all the vehicles you take offroad, so that there is a proper comparison between the vehicles?
Granted the M & S tyres on 20" wheels is far from an ideal off-roading set up. However, if the RR Sport was equipped with the Off-Road Package (Two-speed transfer box & also a locking rear differential, if I'm not mistaken), might it have fared a little better?
Quite funny video because Roman looks like a newbie which owns his very first car and snow is a big surprise for him. I guess nobody else would go into the mountains on those tires designed strictly for roads. Now I know why even lite snow called a snow storm for drivers - they just don't have snow tires so even range rover with 4x4 becomes a helpless car...
You do not want narrow tires for snow or mud. You want wide tires with good size sidewalls so that you can lower the air pressure and ride on top of the snow. Narrow tires dig down to much so your constantly trying to push snow out of the way of the tires, or climb up the snow in front of the tires.
What sucks about all land rovers is that they make their brakes/rims so big you can't actually get an off road tire to fit on a stock suspension set up. You can barely find any low profile all terrain tires. Just proves Land Rovers are just for show.
+bmwmsport11 RangeRovers are a fashion accessory, which is a great shame because, correctly shod, they have unsurpassed off-road ability. The tyres on this RangeRover are low profile performance tyres, and are totally unsuitable for any off-road use.
+bmwmsport11 You can find smaller diameter wheels that will match up to the factory bolt pattern.
+Invincible Osprey for any other brand, yes. But for these new land rovers, there is little room for downsizing rims. Brakes are too big. I was reading on LR4s and it turns out the smallest rim that work are 19s(stock size). 18s from the LR3 aren't big enough to clear the calipers, even though it's the same exact bolt pattern/offset.
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Damn. I didn't consider that. They're all for looks and I guess bigger brakes.
i most say dont know where you buy your tires from but i have many friends that drive range rover for the purpose of off roading and they never had this problem at all its tries not the car so stop blaming Land Rover for Goodyear's problem you can off road tries for a range rover that will just anywhere that sales tries and it would only make since the tires on this range rover would not be fit for snow given the fact that it's a Range Rover Sport emphasis on sport it's based on on the road driving not off road driving get yourself a regular Range Rover and you'll be fine
This is really the fault of most manufacturers: they advertise a certain capability for their SUVs, but stick them in glorified summer tires. In all honesty, the majority of the car-owning public can be very clueless. I've seen Jeeps slip in a few inches of wet snow because the tires were essentially bald and poorly maintained. Roman, please keep up the great videos and try to keep the manufacturers honest about their vehicles. No one would ever take a stock $85k SUV off-road, so it's great that you guys do it, or at least try.
When I buy the Pilot, it's great knowing that with some skill and patience, it can go up Gold Mine hill in stock form. Obviously, the most it will ever see is a few inches of know, a dirt road, or on the beach, but it's nice to know someone has successfully driven it off-road.
I lived near Philadelphia for 5 years and never used snow tires but I would be interested to see if they make a big difference, not that I really need them where I live now.
He doesn't even turn the wheels side to side? Setup?
It's funny how all the terrain management selection and other computer assistance didn't have a difference. My understanding is if you select snow/ice you start in a higher gear and throttle mapping is changed to prevent wheelspin. But then it was obviously overwhelmed by lead foot racer Roman. Spinning like that was the worst thing you could have done because you overheated the tires turning the snow to ice under the tire and melting any snow in contact with the tire so it gripped even less. It sure makes the Land Cruiser look good and almost a bargain even thought the drive was still M. Leadfoot. I suspect with a diesel it probably would have almost idled down that hill if you didn't try to dig yourself to China. Another problem with modern SUV's are the huge diameter wheels with very short sidewall tires that won't allow you to air down to have a bigger contact patch improving grip. The extra weight of a diesel would have helped not hindered you. The Raptor has even more weight on wider tires (but they were better tires though not the best winter tire.) Not to brag about Toyotas because even the Raptor made it, but it would have been nice to see what CRAWL control would have done in similar conditions. I don't think your idea about funding winter tires to test is a good one. It's been done to death. I do feel however that it may be a good idea to pay for Roman to take a winter driving course, he desperately needs one. Maybe Andre could give you tips?
As someone who has only once ever drove in snow, when do you use chains on your tires? I ask as someone on the comment section mentioned you can't get off road tyres for the range rovers big rims and breaks. So would the solution not be chains?
So how about you do a video on great snow tires?????
Crappy tires, and probably no momentum. I'm sure if you put better snow tires on the Rover, the same exact tires that are on the Raptor, I am sure it would make it up
Last week I made 1000+ km thru Canadian rockies in a rental Chrysler 300 S with 20" performance tires and RWD...was scary and fun in the same time but I didn't get stuck :D
You want skinny tired for snow? Yeah, that's why snowmachines, bicycle snow tires and arctic vehicles all have narrow tracks/tires on them.....Hence why you let air out of your tires to give you a bigger footprint in the snow because wider is better.
+Seraphim Valkyrin Not necessarily. Snow tires are usually skinnier than performance tires. Look at rally cars and their studded snow tires. The idea is to have greater pressure on the contact surface, push through/away the snow, and have the studs grip the surface below the snow.
Not exactly, a wide tire needs something to help it make traction with the snow. They weren't sinking, like in fresh powder, they were spinning all four on the surface. A narrower tire concentrates the force due to gravity (weight), allowing the tire to dig in harder and make more traction.
You can't lower the psi to off-road pressures like regular tires because you can damage the rims.
Have you heard already about the winter tires ??? It’s really funny this movie...
Considering that you weren't sinking, the Diesel engine's mass was helping give you more pressure on the snow. Of course, probably still lighter than the supercharged V8.
I love the editing!
I think you guys need to keep the Raptor. I know it's probably not the cheapest insurance policy, but it sure has more than it's fair share of advantages.
I think they do own that raptor. They've had for a couple years now.
those tires are good for rain and that's about it besides getting better MPG's...
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You guys should invest in some MaxTrax and throw them in the trunk (or bed) any time you run those snowy trails. You could have gotten unstuck quickly.
Not sure why I keep watching these TFLT videos expecting any real information. Why was this video 9 minutes long? What did we learn? Do they really think we click on truck videos to watch snow angels and snowball fights?
head to colorado, their is a road above boulder called lickskillet rd. test there in winter to see real results.
Roman you need to contact Maxtrax and have them sponsor a set of recovery ramps!
Today's lesson.
When doing adventures off road and you leave support staff behind, buy CB radios. Their cheap and way more effective in mountains than a cell phone.
Hey Roman can u put some winter tiers and try again??
Um, no, never will I ever own one of these.
Roman, be careful and always have a plan. Be prepared when you go up in the mountains.
I LIKE TFL and I don't want to see you or your staff get hurt, ending the show.
+Retired AF CE Thanks for the comment and concern. Very much appreciated! Roman says the only thing that was hurt in the making of this video was his hand and his pride.
Unprepared is right! No shovel, gloves and wearing sneakers into the mountains to do an off road test.
+Scott “Sheepdog235” McPherson
amen
Nothing to do with the vehicle. One of the most capable vehicles in the world.
All 4x4's need good tires to be effective in mud and snow and most good 4x4's come stock with crap tires! If you can afford an $80,000 Land Rover you should be able to afford a set of dedicated winter or all terrain tires and rims. I replaced my stock crap tires within 3,500 miles of buying my FJ new.
In no way am I bashing TFLtruck, I realize they can't modify free test vehicles with new tires but they could put KO2's on the old Raptor lol.
+ZepG that is why they own real 4x4's JEEP yj jk's and fit them with good tires. This mall crawler will never see any real action and there is no tire that will fit in stock form on the rims/suspension. Not any real off road tire so your point is mute.
The Fj is going the same way the original FJ's from the 70-80 were real trucks the new one is a mall crawler with light off road abilities.
Judging by the M+S tires on rangerover, its for winter temp. only, the real snow tyre is what on that Ford.
tells you a lot about Toyota and their terrain system on the land cruiser
What is your point?
+Aaron Real compare to the big range rover
To be fair, the tires have a lot to do with it.
+Aaron Real you do understand this wasn't a toyota right?
+thegreatga if you look back at the toyota land cruiser video it made it up a hill.
BFG should sponsor these guys!
this guy seriously doesnt know how to get unstuck, hes trying to keep digging deeper and deeper with that wheel spin..
yo TFL... mountain...snow...winter.... and no shovel in the trunck and gloves just in case?:)
who pays Land Rover money $$$ and crap Goodyear tires ? and takes it off-road ?? Really guys ?
You guys should try the regular Range Rove in gold mine hill, it would be better than than the sport.
You 're right the tires are at fault. Either the tread is a manufacture mistake, the tires are a Goodyear knock off from Chins, or Goodyear gave Land Rover a really "good" deal on the tires. On my full sized vans and trucks I run Goodyear Wranglers or Michelin AT and AT 2 never had problems like that. Maybe too much "Armor All" was sprayed on the tread face?
Were the tires aired down at all they seem to be at full pressure airing them down would've helped greatly
Lived in Anchorage AK for twenty years and from the looks of this video that poor SUV riding on those tires wouldn't be able to get out of the neighborhood on a wet and heavy snowfall.
Yes bring at least a pair of Maxtrax with you guys so you have a a backup before calling in the Raptor.
ever heard of turning to rock it out? that was the most pathetic thing I have ever seen! anyone with some little knowledge could of got that out. I wouldn't of posted this embarrassment.
You guys should just keep a set of maxtrax with you when you take these trails.
Places in Canada you need winter tires? We use dog sleds? lol
When you are stuck you need to turn the steering wheel back and fourth
I wonder if he doesn't know the trick to let a lot of the air out of the tires when you're stuck in the snow and it helps give you traction
Just throw some KO2's on everything. BFG I know you're out there.......
why would you want Thin tires for snow? I dont get what you mean it can cut through snow.
Range Rover Sport, anything with the word sport in it is going to have summer tires on it. needs 4winter tires November-April if in snow country.
Raptor for the win
You need a satellite phone, ...or winter tires. A little shoveling and the floor mats and you'd've been free to get stuck again
well you tried to get free. I hate when people call saying they're stuck and they haven't tried to get themselves out
обожаю Раптор!
Goodyear - (good for one year) Eagles
You showed a Range Rover getting stuck. They won't lend you another one now...
Резина летняя, куда вы на ней поперлись?
Please take it up gold mine hill again with the tires of the Raptor!
The Raptor didn’t pull the Range Rover out of the snow. A winch did!
I think, why you don't should turn the front wheels back and forth
Snow chains with those tyres + a shovel would saved some embarrassment
Tire manufactures, why not work with these guys to promote your products! Can't think of a better win-win solution for all involved.
Next time put some Drag radial tires, then you can walk Gold MIne HIll at idle the whole way.. Mud/snow doesnt matter those tires grip like crazy offroad !! oh wait !!!
From what I can tell there are no off road or even all terrain tires available to fit *ANY* Range Rover or Range Rover Sport model. And that's a shame.
My mom has Cooper LTZ's on her evoque. She needs them for photo shoots
Raptor tyres BF Goodrich All-Terrain TA/KO thi is on an equal footing.?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Roman, I am constantly shocked at videos like this. Every single one shows a Range Rover with stock all season tires. I owned many Audis all quarto, when I drive in the snow I throw Nokian tires on. The Audi S6 would plow snow in Upstate NY winter storms where the roads have deep snow and the police are stuck in the roads. You sir are doing a huge disservice by not putting Nokian tires on that Range Rover. I promise you, that car will not get stuck in that snow with Nokian tires on it. It's traction control is superior to Audi. Show some intelligence people and put snow tires on cars your taking into the snow. Watching this is painful like all the other RUclips videos showing a range Rover in less than moderate snow. FYI roman skinny tires will only get you buried in deep snow and bottom your vehicle out. I lived in Western NY to be specific for over 50 years. Never ever once did an Audi or SUV get stuck in feet of snow with Nokian tires on them. Oh however I have pulled many many 4x4 150 and 250 trucks out of deep snow who were idiots running the roads on all season's. My H2 with all season's useless in the snow. However with proper Snow tires, it was unstoppable. Grow up folks and show a proper video with Snow tires on the vehicle, not Walmart brand tires either, Nokian or Michelin snow tires, ever Coopers works. Cheers and best of luck
Getting stuck is so much fun, not. No snow tires? I thought you guys knew better.
+FSX239 We wrongly assumed the tires were much more snow capable when we headed down the snowy trail. Lesson learned.
Did you watch until the end..? Roman explained it...
+The Fast Lane Truck You guys are car guys. You should know about what tires to use by now. How about a tire review?
+ThatGearHead™ There are various grades of "snow" tires. Did you read Roman's explanation to my comment above?
+The Fast Lane Truck You guys are so much fun and informative. Please keep up the excellent work. Thumbs up!
if you would have aired down the tires you would have come out easily with some more contact space