@@gauravshah89 The main barrier is that UNIX certification requires an annual fee, as well as a chosen representative to sign the paper that certifies FreeBSD as certified UNIX every year. The foundation can better allocate that funding to more useful goals (AFAIK right now a lot of it is going to WiFi driver development). Additionally, due to the structure of FreeBSD management, it's difficult to choose a representative to sign the certification, should they go through with the process. The certification itself is also mainly based on only a few checkbox factors concerning the properties of UNIX operating systems, since defining a UNIX system is tricky nowadays. This is why macOS is on there, even though FreeBSD more closely relates to the UNIX systems of yore.
@@gauravshah89FreeBSD is not UNIX certified, mainly because they don't have the money to pay to The Open Group for the certification or they don't want to bother.
I remember trying out OpenSolaris waaay back and was in awe of everything you could do with ZFS. I was still using hardware RAID and was blown away that you could basically keep throwing mismatched performance and size disks at ZFS and happily added them to the pool
I always watch your distro installations for Arch and Gentoo. Not because they're the best, fastest, or least errors, but because we're in the same time zone, and that simplifies things.
@@shallex5744 ip addresses being leaked is exaggerated in my opinion. the most someone can do is find your city (and even thats not very accurate) or ddos you, and if that happens, go outside for a bit or just do work that doesnt require the internet. also ip addresses can be reset easily and depending on the plan you received from your ISP it may even change automatically.
This isn't an operating system for you and me. OpenIndiana was made to provide an easy way for Solaris sysadmins to migrate their servers to something supported after Oracle killed OpenSolaris, without having to go through the hassle of reconfiguring all of their configs, tooling, and code to Linux or BSD. Poking through the menus of a default MATE install doesn't really convey what makes OpenIndiana good or unique.
@@wheezybackports6444 You dont make it make any sense. Dt says: "I CANT show you how this OS really is for the people that actually need it, im not an IT guy. However im showing you what i can.". And then this comment goes about saying how you cant show OpenIndianas strengh with just clicking through menus and doing that kinda stuff. And so I say again: This comment is JUST repeating and is in no way in conflict with wat DT said in the video anyway.
In 1992, I was working for a large engineering-firm in Texas that designed plans for things like pipelines and petrochemical projects. There IT Gurus or software Engineers decided to invest a huge fortune in Unix-terminals, and a drafting software called MicroStation. I think prior to that they had both Intergraph workstations and windows-machines that had AutoCAD 14. It was all a huge clusterph*ck from everyone's perspective, but the I.T. guys insisted that the employees master the technology because nobody was going back to the days of drawing with a pencil and paper ( or mylar and ink ). At that time, the engineers, had very little computer-tech-savvy nor patience for such things, so the company hired dozens of technicians and designers and paid them pretty good to just draw things for the engineers. The people that mastered it all and remained with the company made good money. But there is no telling what became of those that failed to master the computer-technology of the 90's. There were a handful of people that believed the future was in smaller devices like the upcoming Palm Pilot ( PDA's ) that really could not do much but make a very simple table or chart.
I like that story! Especially as an amateur architect and computer tech.. Integraph.. I remember that huge dual head video card!! Never got mine to work right with Windows 2K.. 😞
SunOS 4 was my first Unix like operating system. I had a Sparc workstation at home and ran it for a while and then tried Solaris when it first came out. But today I'm an Ubuntu guy. Slackware was my first entry into Linux and I hopped around until 2018. But one day I decided I needed to be productive and Ubuntu LTS is where I settled.
I never understood why people say sunos for solaris1 and solaris for solsris2. Sunos4 was the latest os in the solaris1 dist but solaris2 was shipped with the cde desktop and sunos5 os. Eg. The name has been solaris all the time, even after we replaced most commands with the gnu version so we could work with them.
@@birrextio6544 Because SunOS 4 was only rebranded as Solaris 1 but in every config and compiler flag it was still sunos, a BSD based system whereas Solaris was based on Unix System V.
@@jtshannon I can't remember that Solaris was a compiler flag, but my question is not what you answered, I know that everyone was talking about SunOS vs Solaris and it's just natural if they used those names in config files and everything. The question was WHY!! Even if the upgrade sunos4 to sunos5 was huge, it's still sunos as uname -r say. Why would Sun write Solaris2 on the box if there was no Solaris version 1x? Can it be so simple so people who booted upp sunos5 with the common desktop environment saw "Welcome to Solaris2" in many languages and then named it so? Since I worked with developers I also had to say sunos when I was talking about the old version 4x, I just never understood why a mayor upgrade make people to change name on it, maybe it was the pre woke people and SunOS5 was a gender switch :-)
>Sparc workstation at home This was my 17 year old selfs dream. It was back in the dial up mIRC days when everyone was showing their *Nix peen. Sparcs were god tier, BSD was elite, Debian was acceptable, and redhat would get you ddosed by some animal with an IDSN connection. I miss those days.
I feel oddly connected to this OS; as it wasn't that long ago I was working with its sister, SmartOS. There exists a Linux system call translation layer that allows you to run Linux apps within zones (called LX zones) without the need of a hypervisor... You can even run off the shelf Linux based Docker containers on bare metal. I'm not sure if it's in OpenIndiana (probably is), but you can do it with SmartOS. It's by no means perfect, but it works well enough.
Solaris built some really great server features. Dual / slices for instant rollback of OS updates and patches if something went kaboom. ZFS, Dtrace, Zones, advanced networking, NFS3/4 & SMB built-in to ZFS, SMF, etc., etc., etc. Many of the command line tooling is radically different because it's all AT&T Bell Labs / SunOS / Solaris historically based. OpenIndiana / Illumos is real UNIX. GNU/Linux is a clone of commercial UNIX. You can install most of the GNU software. Linux was much faster to improve the sysadmins interface to the tools. Many of the commands have the same name but all the switches are radically different. UNIX systems were dinosaurs that didn't change all that much over time. Too many enterprise scripts and the like to go changing the command line utilities and breaking customer data centers. Joyent.com built their cloud tech on Illumos and ZFS / Zones back when AWS was just opening up and offering basic object storage and early virtual machines. Joyent hired many of the engineers and scientists fleeing Sun when Oracle bought them. The same people that built and maintained OpenSolaris. The father of Dtrace , Bryan Cantrill was their CTO for years. He's now running a startup hardware company called Oxide. It's worth watching Bryan Cantrill's talks on RUclips. Especially the one where he talks about what happened when Oracle bought Sun.
The one major tool I would love to see Linux adopt is dtrace, systemtap is alright but I think the true successor will be eBPF which seems to be even more capable than dtrace. For better or worse Linux and its software ecosystem has replicated / absorbed most of the areas you mentioned (Zones are very similar to containers in allot of ways for example).
Finally a Linux-God takes a look at OpenIndiana. I tried it many years ago, but couldn't install any "different" software besides what was in the "Appstore". So I was interested for an explaination or method on how to install software from source. I didn't find it back then, so thank you very much showing the "sudo pkg install (appname)" in this video. I appreciate it. Back then (was it 15 years ago? I don't know) I was fairly new on Linux and just had used Ubuntu for two months or so and therefore I just knew the sudo apt-get install (appname) command, and I was a too lazy teenager to look it up so I gave up on OpenIndiana. Then I forgot about it. So, thank you very much for this video! I appreciate it!
IAN MURDOCK's case is very mysterious :) Ian Murdock btw is the one of the creator of Debian (Debi and Ian) and also open solaris / open indiana os :) Project Indiana was originally conceived by Sun Microsystems, to construct a binary distribution around the OpenSolaris source code base.[8] Project Indiana was led by Ian Murdock, founder of the Debian Linux distribution.[5] wikipedia :)
Long time since I have looked at Solaris, but it had some cool stuff in there. I have always been interested in looking at zones which would be similar to BSD Jails or LXC containers.
I used to manage Solaris zones in a production setting for nearly 10 years. This is the one thing missing from Linux (and yes, I've looked into LXC and the like, and they have their uses, but they pale in comparison to Solaris zones with regarsds to functionality).
FreeBSD and Solaris share ALOT of features with each other including the commands and file layouts, etc. UFS is the default filesystem and pkg the default package manager. I am amazed this still exists frankly. It is a nice custom OS to learn on especially since it is a LIVE GUI based OS. Solaris on native SParc hardware was indeed always GUI driven but these x86 versions have come a long way since the days of Solaris 9! This was fun!
Hi, any chance there could be a separate video where you compare a few aspects that are similar to Linux in terms of software development, for example comparing IDE(s), tool configuration, containerization options similar to docker ? and maybe pros and cons based off your experience, it might be interesting to watch.
UNIX-like non-Linux systems really aren't meant for desktops, but it does go to show that UNIX-like systems in general are really flexible systems provided you do some work to customize the system to fit your needs and accept the limitations thereof. OpenIndiana isn't for everyone. As far as what uses most of the resources, unfortunately SMF does have a sizeable footprint in the resources. But for a server this isn't unexpected since servers generally have a larger resource pool.
they are indeed meant for desktops. gaming is much faster than it is on Windows, even more so than Linux. it's an inevitable development. long gone are the days where geeks and nerds used to scare off regular joe and scream bloody murder of those trying to use "their beloved server OSs" for anything else. move over buddy, home desktop has a new name, it's UNIX.
@@TheDukeOfZill no, entirely wrong, you didn't read the comment completely... Read it again and understand... ORIGINALLY... UNIX was never designed for the desktop PC. It was intended for servers and workstations originally as a reliant operating system and environment. GNU/Linux was meant to replace the UNIX kernel and kernel control software, along with BSD and it's many clones which struck out to do the same since BSD-4.4lite. The modern UNIX-like system (BSD or Linux based) is meant to be a jack-of-all-trades operating system, but therein lies one of the inherent problems. While it can be faster in some situations, it's aiming for too much. Windows Home/Pro is designed for desktops and workstations. Windows Server is designed for servers and datacenters specifically. Windows targets use cases. UNIX-like systems do not, and that makes them a problem for the average user, and many are very complex by design, but even with complexity still extremely difficult to use by the average user. Even Ubuntu which prides itself on being the OS for everyone, and the easiest to use, is not the easiest to use at all, and I'm a seasoned IT pro with over 15 years experience and I still can't use Ubuntu worth a damn. I can use Slackware, mainly because it's plain English in documentation, but it's bstill imposing to setup.
Then why doesn't it meet the requirements for certification. This one always puzzles me when operating systems like this comes up while the developers never file for certification.
I used the real Solaris in school in real Sun Workstations, they were amazing.it was in the 1998 and they came with HotJava a browser totally written in Java, for the time it was slow and ugly but sometimes worked pretty well. the terminal was in cream or white background. it had "cc" as c compiler, like the og unix. because SunOS is truly derivative of the original UNIX, they didn't just bought a license for the name, also for the code. as window manager/desktop had CDE and OpenWindows pretty cool for the time.
OpenIndiana on DistroTube? A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one! Would you ever consider looking at non-*nix FOSS operating systems like Phantom, Haiku, Genode, HelenOS, etc.?
I always aim at the timezone selector towards Zurich and I'm always astonished how often I got it right or where it's still ok like Vienna, Vaduz, Berlin or Rome. Selecting "Europe/Zurich" from the combobox is way harder.
Interesting OS, thanks DT! I noted when you were switching themes and you said it messed up the panel a bit - The problem is that it inverted the font colour (and made it a size bigger) but it didn't change the colour of the menu bar at the top ... Pretty sure that's easy to fix! Anyway, Thanks and Merry Xmas to you and yours ❤
There are a lot of interesting operating systems...until you get stuck on a severe lack of device drivers! Sadly Linux is the only true alternative if you want to use your computer for work/fun/whatever instead of using it just to set it up. FreeBSD has a decent hardware support too, but it is lacking compared to Linux. But, if you choose the right hardware, you can use FreeBSD too ( if you don't need some crappy "Linux/Windows only" software ).
@@pianokeyjoe Absolutely not a noob OS! But that's often the reason we do this kind of thing eh? 😀 I like my OS's to be a close to the metal as possible when I'm in the mood to funk around, but I want it to hold my hand when I'm working in my IDE and billing clients!
@@alyia9618 Absolutely! Funnily enough, I just replied to @pianokeyjoe the same thing - I don't always want my OS to treat me like a 6 year-old, but when I do require it, Linux is certainly malleable enough for that, even under WSL2.0. I note you didn't mention Mac OSX ... although that's obviously *not* FOSS!
@@suvetar yeah!? LOL! Thats why we all love these kinds of OSs, I fully agree! I dared to play with Solaris on a real Sun workstation back in 2003/04 and still own one today. SGI with Irix,NeXTStation with NeXTSTEP, etc. I do understand your point about working with IDEs lol! Yeah, that is when you REALLY get into the nuts and bolts then. Installing and configuring an OS is one thing, but programming software in said OS is an adventure of a lifetime lol!
Hey @distrotube the reason (I think no expert)) your ram and cpu usage were so high was because it was creating an image of the system. When you do a pkg update/upgrade/install it makes copy of the current system and on the next reboot it runs from that new image. I could be wrong but as I understood it its like Fedora's silverblue..kinda like an immutable system.
Can you cover these other open-source Unix and Unix-like OSes? Dragonfly BSD, FreeBSD, NetBSD, GhostBSD, MidnightBSD, Fiwix, SerenityOS, RedoxOS, HelenOS, 9Front OS, xv6 OS, GNU/Hurd, OpenIndiana (Illumos) and then non-UNIX ReactOS, Haiku OS (open-source BeOS) and osFree (open-source OS/2) You have an amazing voice and personality for it!
It's a pity they didn't go for the more retro and unique theme of something like Oracle Solaris 10, as what we got just looks like any other distro of Linux/Unix/BSD, with its big 'Fisher-Price' icons and colors.
Love your videos, also cool to see coverage of Illumos distros. Can you do a video on how to change DE's on linux mint? Or safely remove cinnamon and replace it with something else (My favorite window manager is FLWM btw) like a generic window manager?
if you want to know what file system you are using just open a terminal and read the manual of the df command. There might be an option to show the filesystem in use.
The key reason behind OpenIndiana on servers because it isn't meant or intended to be use for primary desktop usage at the first point! OpenIndiana itself and the kernel isn't alike Linux kernel. It's less optimised for architecture support, and few users (who tried OpenIndiana on VM) reported that they were not able to run apps, like Firefox because of segmentation fault. CPUs like Intel's Alderlake won't going to be a good choice if anyone would like to use OpenIndiana. That being said, server CPUs aren't bleeding edge. And OpenIndiana is stable and reliable on these. There aren't any exclusive reason to use OpenIndiana over GNU/Linux and in fact GNU/Linux does a better job than what OpenIndiana can do. Most of servers were pre-designed for Solaris and ZFS file system, back then since ZFS wasn't in Linux kernel and many of them didn't prefer *BSD because of several issues, and after Oracle bought Sun Microsystem, OpenIndiana (in most cases), stand out more than OpenSolaris. Though people still uses OpenIndiana, because of ZFS and enthusiastic reasons. Industry grade servers right now, completely moved to GNU/Linux and there's a very few industry grade servers that are run by OpenIndiana. There's also several issues with OpenIndiana especially the inconsistent development and security fixes.
I can't help but wonder if it's possible to install the latest version of CDE (or more likely NsCDE) to use the most iconic Solaris desktop on Solaris' descendent. This sounds like an awful idea, but I might try it anyway.
@@milohoffman274 I may be wrong, but most of them got fixed as far as I know. CDE still gets updated and patched to this day, but if you wanna go safe, use NSCDE. It’s I think FVWM(?) with CDE theming, it looks awesome and functions really well.
KVM/Qemu supports Unix-like systems pretty well. VirtualBox, which uses KVM on Linux as well by the way, just has much better graphics acceleration, that's all.
I've used OI for a while... The high CPU is interesting, but I wonder if zfs is running a scrub after first boot... It would probably be fine if you leave it running for an hour and then reboot it. The mate theming is an old "bug", its because they apply an image on top of the panel bars. That said, glad you tried taking a look at it. The long history of illumos and Solaris is often overlooked. Edit: SMF was really ahead of its time, and between pkg, SMF, boot0 and zfs integration, you get the ability to create boot environment snapshots, so you can reboot back to a old snapshot if you get a bad upgrade. Apt hooks on Ubuntu try to emulate it but don't even come close yet.
There are a few software packages that have higher physical RAM requirements than I can ever have on my machine. This distribution came up when I was looking into the idea of using distributed ram. Is that something that's included in this distribution? And where do I find out more information how to set it up? Also if that is not something that would help me, is there a virtualization package that would emulate having more physical RAM then actually exists, to prevent software freezing?
OI is now a rolling release so it needs to be updated after the install. It doesn’t run well in VirtualBox - very slow. Under VMware, however, it runs fine.
lol! It runs fine under the paid software, not so fine under the free and opensource software 😛. Thats funny. I did run this and OpenSolaris and Ilumos in VB just fine back in 2017 but yeah, I can see the paid for Vmware having better support.. $$ talks.
@@scottr.7077 Oh the PLAYER LOL! Sorry I thought you meant the full workstation like what VB is. Ok in that case... 😛 time to boogie woogie all night long with OSs VB did not allow me to run correctly!
I'm wondering if the CPU usage reading could be something to do with the way the VM is reporting things. i have an old G4 Power Mac that I installed one of the few flavors of Linux (I forget which; I haven't run it in a long time) which was still producing PPC releases back around 2009 or so, and one of the known bugs was that CPU usage would always show up in the resource monitor widget as 98-100% because of the way Apple had designed the system to report it. If the VM host is reporting it one way and OpenIndiana is expecting something else, I could see that possibly being the issue.
Great video as always. As a advocate of free and open software I was wondering if you could make a video on Free and Open alternatives to email providers such as gmail or outlook. I have done some cursory searches but have not found many and I would be nervous of trusting my email security to a group or organisation I had not heard of. I want to move away from the big companies but am unsure where to move to.
It is funny how even OpenSolaris kernel seems more mature and ready to become my main desktop OS than GNU/Hurd. In fact checking hardware compatibility I think I might try installing it on my Xeron E3 1285V4 as its GPU is apparently "supported" - whatever that means I guess I'll have to find out :)
I feel ya DT! I just tried putting this on a Proxmox VM and I think it's crashed on me at 28%... It's been sitting there for quite a while now and the mouse pointer won't even move. Started installing it halfway through your video but from what I've seen in your video, it's nothing special for Desktop users. Probably not for VM users either from what I can see...
ZFS license is NOT straightened up, Canonical just throw more fire there, with shipping ZFS on their distro ;) Plus, OpenIndiana is targeted towards desktop usage :) ZFS is mainly in one of flavors of BSD, called FreeBSD, and it's derivatives, and that's it :)
Hey DT, Can you tell me your all browsers themes please 🥺 ...... Because I also have 5 to 6 browsers in my machine and i all time confused with my themes please 🥺
You prefer to show open Indiana and that's quite cool, but you never show enough NosystemD linux distributions. There are adelie linux and chimera linux along gabeeos and heads linux or even tinypaw. I am waiting for your point of view although i am sure i will disagree at some point.
As a former developer with a friend at Sun I played around with the Solaris version that was compiled for the Intel platform. At that time it would run SCO binaries. I wonder if they kept that feature?
Sometimes I miss the days my uVAX and VMS/X-Windows/Motif. Most of the time though I do not. Linux-based systems have become such great daily drivers and more.
openindiana repositories are pretty limited atm. you're better sideloading things that derive from FreeBSD, there's not a whole lot of changes necessary to make, some will simply run natively. not sure if they got inkscape going, but certainly minecraft works just fine. what it all boils down to is forcing MS to release an API to allow every WinApp to work on every nonWin OS because we all know that WINE is the weakest link here. WINE needs to go byebye fast and we need a usable replacement. they've had 20+ years to fix their crap, but have failed miserably. most WINE devs cry clean room, that's one of the major problems. just make stuff work by hook or by crook.
I don't think an external util, specially one ported from Linux, would give an accurate reading in a "foreign" OS. In this case `htop` might not be the best tool. I think that the supplied utils might be better since they have to account for certain design or architectural special cases. I think you should try regular `top` even in Linux. You can make it look just as fancy as `htop` by customizing its config file.
The command you're looking for is: prstat -a 1. top has been a butt of jokes among Solaris people for years, because it causes the load to go up instead of being minimally intrusive, and it uses private kernel interfaces on Solaris, which in the Solaris world is a big no, since the only public interface to the kernel, guaranteed to be backwards compatible is libc. Because of this, top constantly needs recompilation, otherwise it'll crash. The native tool is prstat(1M).
How fascinating. While working at Lawrence Berkely lab (physics, not IT) Sun was all over. So SYS5 was it. Later, Apollo. SYS5 as well if I remember. If I find time, I'll give it a spin for old time's sake. Probably won't find the time. Stay with GNU/Linux
Interesting since the NVIDIA drivers still support Solaris so a while ago I tried running it just for fun but the NVIDIA drivers didn't work and didn't even boot I might try it again perhaps :/
As someone who was a UNIX professional before the days of Linux, this takes me back. But, it really does remind me just how far Linux has taken the nix world though, Solaris looks totally primitive now compared to the improvements that Linux has made the last few decades. They were great back in the day, but Linux is worlds apart now from all the big Unixes.
You are "measuring" illumos and GNU/Linux based on desktops. GNU/Linux is still very primitive when compared to what illumos-based operating systems like OpenIndiana come with out of the box, under the hood. The illumos kernel is a space ship compared to Linux.
Forum post demoing Proton Steam. Even Hipster has a foot in the door lol. The more non-WIN solutions out there, the better. Gone are the days where beardy glasses would cry "This is a server only OS, not a home desktop OS". It's ours now... we're coming.
Ok, first 30 seconds and I already got a question - how can an OS maker legally call their OS "Unix"? Now... "Unix" would appear to be a registered trademark of the Open Group... and they certify operating systems. So does that mean Operating Systems certified via the Open Group can call themselves "Unix"? The whole "Unix" vs. "Unix-like" thing is REALLY hard for me to wrap my head around...
You are correct that any OS certified by the Open Group can call themselves "UNIX". Apple did it with Mac OS X years ago. Given that the Open Group is intended to support OSS, I'm sure it's relatively easy and cheap for OpenIndiana to get certified as UNIX given that the Solaris kernel from which it hails was already certified.
As long as they file for certification and approved while meeting every single standard requirement of Unix they can call themselves unix after certification. "unix-like' is such a broad term these days could be an uncertified unix OS or an entirely different OS mimicking the functionality. Fact is Apple is the only company keeping their certifications very very up-to-date with the certification besides IBM who is about 2 years behind. The fact is Apple is the only company with an operating system that actively maintains its unix certification with every single major update.
@@thewiirocks The problem is Solaris never kept up with their certification so chances are openindiana wouldn't meet the requirements today since things have changed as time went on. The only other major player left in certification is IBM.
@@christopherfortineux6937 so Apple is up to date and IBM is 2 years behind? If that's the case, then what actual importance does a Unix certification hold?
Solaris is supported through 2034, it hasn't been killed off yet. Not an endorsement, even if you're running Itanium architecture. I had a little "staycation" in Solaris last summer on my laptop and oh boy was it a slog.
Solaris was always most at home on SPARC, with heavy support from the system's hardware. The more generic x86 edition was never as good and was what generated the moniker "Slow-laris".
@ 4:10 "think of it kind of like how SYSTEMD manages services..." re SMF -- I said out loud, "oh, so it sucks, in other words!" ;-) Please don't hurt me, Lennart, only kidding.
I feel with the age of a lot of the software in the OS, it's potentially a security risk. I could be wrong. I wouldn't run a web server on this unless it's not important.
It works, but isn't a great experience. Pci passthrough would probably fix the driver issues, but that's a lot of work compared to virtualbox with guest additions.
Tried to get this running in KVM, and gave up after few hours. It simply doesn't like that hypervisor, which is sad :( Maybe one day, I can dick around it's innards once it works, as it's an interesting OS to look at.
This was developed as a commercial grade operating system which is suprising good for enterprise.... Things you need to know Like every other operating system you need to have a steep learning curve to understand what could be agood experience. You would probably need to be looking for a workstation,cloudstation or server installation Licensing is solaris sun,debian,and bsd FDO the best of all worlds. Text installer type pkg install ..... and select to install say libreoffice text installer aimed at enterpise professionals looking to customise their install Its and operating system with a desktop workstaion commercial zfs and other backup tools Install is kept minimal with few applications listed, you can install disability user narrator based on FDF software..its got a lot if you get to understand it been used in business for sometime mostly stable with server owners boasting use for over seven years without problems...it is really interesting if you want to move to the next level... To install workstaion applicatiions use your ff browser and navigate to openindiana.org/hipster repository where repros detail applcations.Please note that there are many application to listed here, like BSD many oter applications can be could be installed separately. Use the terminal The system does not have the marketing system of kernel releases instead it is contanty update. Log in as root user Type su password once you have decided on a new password Type pkg update to update the system Check the graphical repro in the browser type pkg install (the package you want say libreoffice etc) The system has built in help to ive so idea of workstation applications click here..www.flickr.com/photos/67976888@N06/with/50907367828/
OpenIndiana is Unix certified and is the only 100% open source Unix.
now that is fascinating.
what about freebsd?
@@gauravshah89 The main barrier is that UNIX certification requires an annual fee, as well as a chosen representative to sign the paper that certifies FreeBSD as certified UNIX every year. The foundation can better allocate that funding to more useful goals (AFAIK right now a lot of it is going to WiFi driver development).
Additionally, due to the structure of FreeBSD management, it's difficult to choose a representative to sign the certification, should they go through with the process.
The certification itself is also mainly based on only a few checkbox factors concerning the properties of UNIX operating systems, since defining a UNIX system is tricky nowadays. This is why macOS is on there, even though FreeBSD more closely relates to the UNIX systems of yore.
@@gauravshah89yes that too- freebsd is it’s own unix whilst openindiana is just a forked unix
@@gauravshah89FreeBSD is not UNIX certified, mainly because they don't have the money to pay to The Open Group for the certification or they don't want to bother.
I remember trying out OpenSolaris waaay back and was in awe of everything you could do with ZFS.
I was still using hardware RAID and was blown away that you could basically keep throwing mismatched performance and size disks at ZFS and happily added them to the pool
I always watch your distro installations for Arch and Gentoo. Not because they're the best, fastest, or least errors, but because we're in the same time zone, and that simplifies things.
You are not, you think hes that dumb just telling yall his time zone 😂 also check the accent 😉 you're welcome
he’s in louisiana
@@cqwickedwake7651 he has intentionally shown his actual ip in a video before
@@shallex5744 ip addresses being leaked is exaggerated in my opinion. the most someone can do is find your city (and even thats not very accurate) or ddos you, and if that happens, go outside for a bit or just do work that doesnt require the internet. also ip addresses can be reset easily and depending on the plan you received from your ISP it may even change automatically.
@@whitespaced i am just saying that you can almost certainly get someone's time zone from their ip
This isn't an operating system for you and me. OpenIndiana was made to provide an easy way for Solaris sysadmins to migrate their servers to something supported after Oracle killed OpenSolaris, without having to go through the hassle of reconfiguring all of their configs, tooling, and code to Linux or BSD. Poking through the menus of a default MATE install doesn't really convey what makes OpenIndiana good or unique.
Okay? And how isnt that exactly what dt said in the video?
@Bjarne Hansen He said, guy agreed. All fine and well...
@@abhabh6896 sounds more "youre not showing what needs to be showed to appretiate openindiana"
@@bjarnehansen1101 "I don't like Ubuntu because it uses gnome. OMG KDE NEON?!"
This you?
@@wheezybackports6444 You dont make it make any sense. Dt says: "I CANT show you how this OS really is for the people that actually need it, im not an IT guy. However im showing you what i can.". And then this comment goes about saying how you cant show OpenIndianas strengh with just clicking through menus and doing that kinda stuff. And so I say again: This comment is JUST repeating and is in no way in conflict with wat DT said in the video anyway.
This takes me back… haven't looked at openSolaris in years, and haven't touched (regular) Solaris for work since 2016…
Great to see a video on Openindiana from you ! 😊
In 1992, I was working for a large engineering-firm in Texas that designed plans for things like pipelines and petrochemical projects. There IT Gurus or software Engineers decided to invest a huge fortune in Unix-terminals, and a drafting software
called MicroStation. I think prior to that they had both Intergraph workstations and windows-machines that had AutoCAD 14.
It was all a huge clusterph*ck from everyone's perspective, but the I.T. guys insisted that the employees master the technology
because nobody was going back to the days of drawing with a pencil and paper ( or mylar and ink ). At that time, the engineers,
had very little computer-tech-savvy nor patience for such things, so the company hired dozens of technicians and designers and
paid them pretty good to just draw things for the engineers. The people that mastered it all and remained with the company
made good money. But there is no telling what became of those that failed to master the computer-technology of the 90's. There were a handful of people that believed the future was in smaller devices like the upcoming Palm Pilot ( PDA's ) that really
could not do much but make a very simple table or chart.
I like that story! Especially as an amateur architect and computer tech.. Integraph.. I remember that huge dual head video card!! Never got mine to work right with Windows 2K.. 😞
SunOS 4 was my first Unix like operating system. I had a Sparc workstation at home and ran it for a while and then tried Solaris when it first came out. But today I'm an Ubuntu guy. Slackware was my first entry into Linux and I hopped around until 2018. But one day I decided I needed to be productive and Ubuntu LTS is where I settled.
I never understood why people say sunos for solaris1 and solaris for solsris2.
Sunos4 was the latest os in the solaris1 dist but solaris2 was shipped with the cde desktop and sunos5 os.
Eg. The name has been solaris all the time, even after we replaced most commands with the gnu version so we could work with them.
@@birrextio6544 Because SunOS 4 was only rebranded as Solaris 1 but in every config and compiler flag it was still sunos, a BSD based system whereas Solaris was based on Unix System V.
@@jtshannon I can't remember that Solaris was a compiler flag, but my question is not what you answered, I know that everyone was talking about SunOS vs Solaris and it's just natural if they used those names in config files and everything.
The question was WHY!!
Even if the upgrade sunos4 to sunos5 was huge, it's still sunos as uname -r say.
Why would Sun write Solaris2 on the box if there was no Solaris version 1x?
Can it be so simple so people who booted upp sunos5 with the common desktop environment saw "Welcome to Solaris2" in many languages and then named it so?
Since I worked with developers I also had to say sunos when I was talking about the old version 4x, I just never understood why a mayor upgrade make people to change name on it, maybe it was the pre woke people and SunOS5 was a gender switch :-)
>Sparc workstation at home
This was my 17 year old selfs dream. It was back in the dial up mIRC days when everyone was showing their *Nix peen. Sparcs were god tier, BSD was elite, Debian was acceptable, and redhat would get you ddosed by some animal with an IDSN connection.
I miss those days.
Solaris 2+ is SunOS 5+
Thanks for the quick look at OpenIndiana! I'd love to see you look at HaikuOS next!
He already did
Nice to see something other than Linux for a change. (Yeah, I´m a BSD user "BTW")
I feel oddly connected to this OS; as it wasn't that long ago I was working with its sister, SmartOS. There exists a Linux system call translation layer that allows you to run Linux apps within zones (called LX zones) without the need of a hypervisor... You can even run off the shelf Linux based Docker containers on bare metal. I'm not sure if it's in OpenIndiana (probably is), but you can do it with SmartOS. It's by no means perfect, but it works well enough.
Solaris built some really great server features. Dual / slices for instant rollback of OS updates and patches if something went kaboom. ZFS, Dtrace, Zones, advanced networking, NFS3/4 & SMB built-in to ZFS, SMF, etc., etc., etc. Many of the command line tooling is radically different because it's all AT&T Bell Labs / SunOS / Solaris historically based. OpenIndiana / Illumos is real UNIX. GNU/Linux is a clone of commercial UNIX. You can install most of the GNU software. Linux was much faster to improve the sysadmins interface to the tools. Many of the commands have the same name but all the switches are radically different. UNIX systems were dinosaurs that didn't change all that much over time. Too many enterprise scripts and the like to go changing the command line utilities and breaking customer data centers. Joyent.com built their cloud tech on Illumos and ZFS / Zones back when AWS was just opening up and offering basic object storage and early virtual machines. Joyent hired many of the engineers and scientists fleeing Sun when Oracle bought them. The same people that built and maintained OpenSolaris. The father of Dtrace , Bryan Cantrill was their CTO for years. He's now running a startup hardware company called Oxide. It's worth watching Bryan Cantrill's talks on RUclips. Especially the one where he talks about what happened when Oracle bought Sun.
The one major tool I would love to see Linux adopt is dtrace, systemtap is alright but I think the true successor will be eBPF which seems to be even more capable than dtrace.
For better or worse Linux and its software ecosystem has replicated / absorbed most of the areas you mentioned (Zones are very similar to containers in allot of ways for example).
@@davidmcken Good little deepdive into extended Berkley packet filter on Oxide & Friends this week.
Finally a Linux-God takes a look at OpenIndiana. I tried it many years ago, but couldn't install any "different" software besides what was in the "Appstore".
So I was interested for an explaination or method on how to install software from source.
I didn't find it back then, so thank you very much showing the "sudo pkg install (appname)" in this video.
I appreciate it. Back then (was it 15 years ago? I don't know) I was fairly new on Linux and just had used Ubuntu for two months or so and therefore I just knew the sudo apt-get install (appname) command, and I was a too lazy teenager to look it up so I gave up on OpenIndiana. Then I forgot about it. So, thank you very much for this video! I appreciate it!
IAN MURDOCK's case is very mysterious :) Ian Murdock btw is the one of the creator of Debian (Debi and Ian) and also open solaris / open indiana os :)
Project Indiana was originally conceived by Sun Microsystems, to construct a binary distribution around the OpenSolaris source code base.[8] Project Indiana was led by Ian Murdock, founder of the Debian Linux distribution.[5]
wikipedia :)
Long time since I have looked at Solaris, but it had some cool stuff in there. I have always been interested in looking at zones which would be similar to BSD Jails or LXC containers.
I used to manage Solaris zones in a production setting for nearly 10 years. This is the one thing missing from Linux (and yes, I've looked into LXC and the like, and they have their uses, but they pale in comparison to Solaris zones with regarsds to functionality).
FreeBSD and Solaris share ALOT of features with each other including the commands and file layouts, etc. UFS is the default filesystem and pkg the default package manager. I am amazed this still exists frankly. It is a nice custom OS to learn on especially since it is a LIVE GUI based OS. Solaris on native SParc hardware was indeed always GUI driven but these x86 versions have come a long way since the days of Solaris 9! This was fun!
?? FreeBSD default filesystem is ZFS.
Hi, any chance there could be a separate video where you compare a few aspects that are similar to Linux in terms of software development, for example comparing IDE(s), tool configuration,
containerization options similar to docker ?
and maybe pros and cons based off your experience, it might be interesting to watch.
UNIX-like non-Linux systems really aren't meant for desktops, but it does go to show that UNIX-like systems in general are really flexible systems provided you do some work to customize the system to fit your needs and accept the limitations thereof.
OpenIndiana isn't for everyone.
As far as what uses most of the resources, unfortunately SMF does have a sizeable footprint in the resources. But for a server this isn't unexpected since servers generally have a larger resource pool.
they are indeed meant for desktops. gaming is much faster than it is on Windows, even more so than Linux. it's an inevitable development. long gone are the days where geeks and nerds used to scare off regular joe and scream bloody murder of those trying to use "their beloved server OSs" for anything else. move over buddy, home desktop has a new name, it's UNIX.
@@TheDukeOfZill no, entirely wrong, you didn't read the comment completely... Read it again and understand...
ORIGINALLY...
UNIX was never designed for the desktop PC. It was intended for servers and workstations originally as a reliant operating system and environment.
GNU/Linux was meant to replace the UNIX kernel and kernel control software, along with BSD and it's many clones which struck out to do the same since BSD-4.4lite.
The modern UNIX-like system (BSD or Linux based) is meant to be a jack-of-all-trades operating system, but therein lies one of the inherent problems. While it can be faster in some situations, it's aiming for too much.
Windows Home/Pro is designed for desktops and workstations.
Windows Server is designed for servers and datacenters specifically.
Windows targets use cases. UNIX-like systems do not, and that makes them a problem for the average user, and many are very complex by design, but even with complexity still extremely difficult to use by the average user. Even Ubuntu which prides itself on being the OS for everyone, and the easiest to use, is not the easiest to use at all, and I'm a seasoned IT pro with over 15 years experience and I still can't use Ubuntu worth a damn. I can use Slackware, mainly because it's plain English in documentation, but it's bstill imposing to setup.
OpenIndiana is genetically UNIX
SVR4
Then why doesn't it meet the requirements for certification. This one always puzzles me when operating systems like this comes up while the developers never file for certification.
HTOP has a readout of ZARC cache to show the actual ram usage.
If it wasnt Linux, I think I would stick to BSD as the unix-like OS 💪
FreeBSD or OpenBSD ?
Or NetBSD 😊
@@jozsefk9 only FreeBSD and OpenBSD
@@jozsefk9 Or DragonflyBSD?
Btw I use bsd
I used the real Solaris in school in real Sun Workstations, they were amazing.it was in the 1998 and they came with HotJava a browser totally written in Java, for the time it was slow and ugly but sometimes worked pretty well.
the terminal was in cream or white background. it had "cc" as c compiler, like the og unix. because SunOS is truly derivative of the original UNIX, they didn't just bought a license for the name, also for the code.
as window manager/desktop had CDE and OpenWindows pretty cool for the time.
I wonder if that OS was what Universities used back in the early to mid 90's when you could play MUD.
OpenIndiana on DistroTube? A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one!
Would you ever consider looking at non-*nix FOSS operating systems like Phantom, Haiku, Genode, HelenOS, etc.?
He already did Haiku and also ReactOS. Don't know about the others
I always aim at the timezone selector towards Zurich and I'm always astonished how often I got it right or where it's still ok like Vienna, Vaduz, Berlin or Rome. Selecting "Europe/Zurich" from the combobox is way harder.
Great video! I downloaded a USB image to install in Virtual Box but never got around to it. This will be a project for 2023! :)
You're calling this joke a "great video!"?!?! Fix your standards, lowlife.
Interesting OS, thanks DT!
I noted when you were switching themes and you said it messed up the panel a bit - The problem is that it inverted the font colour (and made it a size bigger) but it didn't change the colour of the menu bar at the top ... Pretty sure that's easy to fix!
Anyway, Thanks and Merry Xmas to you and yours ❤
Right, it changed the themes for GTK and not the panel. Like with XFCE, the panel has its own customize applet. But still.. not a noob OS lol!
There are a lot of interesting operating systems...until you get stuck on a severe lack of device drivers! Sadly Linux is the only true alternative if you want to use your computer for work/fun/whatever instead of using it just to set it up. FreeBSD has a decent hardware support too, but it is lacking compared to Linux. But, if you choose the right hardware, you can use FreeBSD too ( if you don't need some crappy "Linux/Windows only" software ).
@@pianokeyjoe Absolutely not a noob OS! But that's often the reason we do this kind of thing eh? 😀 I like my OS's to be a close to the metal as possible when I'm in the mood to funk around, but I want it to hold my hand when I'm working in my IDE and billing clients!
@@alyia9618 Absolutely! Funnily enough, I just replied to @pianokeyjoe the same thing - I don't always want my OS to treat me like a 6 year-old, but when I do require it, Linux is certainly malleable enough for that, even under WSL2.0.
I note you didn't mention Mac OSX ... although that's obviously *not* FOSS!
@@suvetar yeah!? LOL! Thats why we all love these kinds of OSs, I fully agree! I dared to play with Solaris on a real Sun workstation back in 2003/04 and still own one today. SGI with Irix,NeXTStation with NeXTSTEP, etc. I do understand your point about working with IDEs lol! Yeah, that is when you REALLY get into the nuts and bolts then. Installing and configuring an OS is one thing, but programming software in said OS is an adventure of a lifetime lol!
Hey @distrotube the reason (I think no expert)) your ram and cpu usage were so high was because it was creating an image of the system. When you do a pkg update/upgrade/install it makes copy of the current system and on the next reboot it runs from that new image. I could be wrong but as I understood it its like Fedora's silverblue..kinda like an immutable system.
That makes sense.
A boot environment snapshot should be instantaneous, because zfs only has to make a quick note that the blocks that make up the snapshot.
Gotta love the old "strong and complicated password" meme.
Can you cover these other open-source Unix and Unix-like OSes? Dragonfly BSD, FreeBSD, NetBSD, GhostBSD, MidnightBSD, Fiwix, SerenityOS, RedoxOS, HelenOS, 9Front OS, xv6 OS, GNU/Hurd, OpenIndiana (Illumos) and then non-UNIX ReactOS, Haiku OS (open-source BeOS) and osFree (open-source OS/2)
You have an amazing voice and personality for it!
I just stumbled on one of your videos and have been watching for the last hour.
It's a pity they didn't go for the more retro and unique theme of something like Oracle Solaris 10, as what we got just looks like any other distro of Linux/Unix/BSD, with its big 'Fisher-Price' icons and colors.
If ur not sys admin DT, what are you? Genuinely asking
RUclipsr who is interested in Linux pretty much
Love your videos, also cool to see coverage of Illumos distros. Can you do a video on how to change DE's on linux mint? Or safely remove cinnamon and replace it with something else (My favorite window manager is FLWM btw) like a generic window manager?
Will it run on a Sun Fire T2000? I've got one sitting in the corner collecting dust. Hmmm....
I wanted to run OpenTexas, but it's too big.
if you want to know what file system you are using just open a terminal and read the manual of the df command. There might be an option to show the filesystem in use.
The key reason behind OpenIndiana on servers because it isn't meant or intended to be use for primary desktop usage at the first point! OpenIndiana itself and the kernel isn't alike Linux kernel. It's less optimised for architecture support, and few users (who tried OpenIndiana on VM) reported that they were not able to run apps, like Firefox because of segmentation fault. CPUs like Intel's Alderlake won't going to be a good choice if anyone would like to use OpenIndiana.
That being said, server CPUs aren't bleeding edge. And OpenIndiana is stable and reliable on these. There aren't any exclusive reason to use OpenIndiana over GNU/Linux and in fact GNU/Linux does a better job than what OpenIndiana can do. Most of servers were pre-designed for Solaris and ZFS file system, back then since ZFS wasn't in Linux kernel and many of them didn't prefer *BSD because of several issues, and after Oracle bought Sun Microsystem, OpenIndiana (in most cases), stand out more than OpenSolaris.
Though people still uses OpenIndiana, because of ZFS and enthusiastic reasons. Industry grade servers right now, completely moved to GNU/Linux and there's a very few industry grade servers that are run by OpenIndiana. There's also several issues with OpenIndiana especially the inconsistent development and security fixes.
Dude is everywhere. I go looking for a name, he pops up. he's going to blow up the open source obscure landscape. (listens to the buzz)
I can't help but wonder if it's possible to install the latest version of CDE (or more likely NsCDE) to use the most iconic Solaris desktop on Solaris' descendent. This sounds like an awful idea, but I might try it anyway.
FYI, CDE apparently has MASSIVE security flaws that have not been fixed.
@@milohoffman274 I may be wrong, but most of them got fixed as far as I know. CDE still gets updated and patched to this day, but if you wanna go safe, use NSCDE. It’s I think FVWM(?) with CDE theming, it looks awesome and functions really well.
KVM/Qemu supports Unix-like systems pretty well. VirtualBox, which uses KVM on Linux as well by the way, just has much better graphics acceleration, that's all.
I've used OI for a while... The high CPU is interesting, but I wonder if zfs is running a scrub after first boot... It would probably be fine if you leave it running for an hour and then reboot it.
The mate theming is an old "bug", its because they apply an image on top of the panel bars.
That said, glad you tried taking a look at it. The long history of illumos and Solaris is often overlooked.
Edit: SMF was really ahead of its time, and between pkg, SMF, boot0 and zfs integration, you get the ability to create boot environment snapshots, so you can reboot back to a old snapshot if you get a bad upgrade. Apt hooks on Ubuntu try to emulate it but don't even come close yet.
How do you get software on it? I've tried it but couldn't install much of any software.
If you can't install it with pkg, you have to build it yourself
There are a few software packages that have higher physical RAM requirements than I can ever have on my machine.
This distribution came up when I was looking into the idea of using distributed ram. Is that something that's included in this distribution? And where do I find out more information how to set it up?
Also if that is not something that would help me, is there a virtualization package that would emulate having more physical RAM then actually exists, to prevent software freezing?
Why are you using Virt-Manager over Virtualbox?
always had a strange longing to use Solaris and Sun Microsystems
AFAIK Linus still will not include OpenZFS in the kernel officially, because Linus does not trust the licensing still.
Please can you take a look at Redox OS, an operating system written in Rust? It would be nice to hear your thoughts/feedback on this!
OI is now a rolling release so it needs to be updated after the install. It doesn’t run well in VirtualBox - very slow. Under VMware, however, it runs fine.
lol! It runs fine under the paid software, not so fine under the free and opensource software 😛. Thats funny. I did run this and OpenSolaris and Ilumos in VB just fine back in 2017 but yeah, I can see the paid for Vmware having better support.. $$ talks.
@@pianokeyjoe The VMware Workstation Player is absolutely free to use.
@@scottr.7077 Oh the PLAYER LOL! Sorry I thought you meant the full workstation like what VB is. Ok in that case... 😛 time to boogie woogie all night long with OSs VB did not allow me to run correctly!
I like these shorter videos. Easier to pack into a coffee break!
The question is how good is the driver support for real hardware..
Firefox first launch involves setting up user directories that might have explained the initial delays
I'm wondering if the CPU usage reading could be something to do with the way the VM is reporting things. i have an old G4 Power Mac that I installed one of the few flavors of Linux (I forget which; I haven't run it in a long time) which was still producing PPC releases back around 2009 or so, and one of the known bugs was that CPU usage would always show up in the resource monitor widget as 98-100% because of the way Apple had designed the system to report it. If the VM host is reporting it one way and OpenIndiana is expecting something else, I could see that possibly being the issue.
Would this installation be a better option than Ubuntu for a laptop that is 5 years old?
no
Great video as always. As a advocate of free and open software I was wondering if you could make a video on Free and Open alternatives to email providers such as gmail or outlook. I have done some cursory searches but have not found many and I would be nervous of trusting my email security to a group or organisation I had not heard of. I want to move away from the big companies but am unsure where to move to.
It is funny how even OpenSolaris kernel seems more mature and ready to become my main desktop OS than GNU/Hurd. In fact checking hardware compatibility I think I might try installing it on my Xeron E3 1285V4 as its GPU is apparently "supported" - whatever that means I guess I'll have to find out :)
The default filesystem for Solaris if I'm not mistaken is UFS
I feel ya DT! I just tried putting this on a Proxmox VM and I think it's crashed on me at 28%... It's been sitting there for quite a while now and the mouse pointer won't even move. Started installing it halfway through your video but from what I've seen in your video, it's nothing special for Desktop users. Probably not for VM users either from what I can see...
ZFS license is NOT straightened up, Canonical just throw more fire there, with shipping ZFS on their distro ;)
Plus, OpenIndiana is targeted towards desktop usage :)
ZFS is mainly in one of flavors of BSD, called FreeBSD, and it's derivatives, and that's it :)
It's been a couple years and oracle still hasn't sued, they probably won't at this point.
Hey DT, Can you tell me your all browsers themes please 🥺 ...... Because I also have 5 to 6 browsers in my machine and i all time confused with my themes please 🥺
Never heard of OpenIndiana I'll have to check it out!
Oracle is one of those companies I would love to see go belly up.
They are literally killing off everything under the 'Sun'
Can you look at plan 9 too?
You prefer to show open Indiana and that's quite cool, but you never show enough NosystemD linux distributions.
There are adelie linux and chimera linux along gabeeos and heads linux or even tinypaw.
I am waiting for your point of view although i am sure i will disagree at some point.
I wonder of glances would work. top would be on theee and could be used to cress check the CPU usage.
It's great that people carried on where OpenSolaris left off.
That last comment 😁
As a former developer with a friend at Sun I played around with the Solaris version that was compiled for the Intel platform. At that time it would run SCO binaries. I wonder if they kept that feature?
Probably? SCO Caldera Linux is genuine Linux without formerly copyrighted SysV source code, as far as I know...
Hey even the little you show here is enlighting.
Sometimes I miss the days my uVAX and VMS/X-Windows/Motif. Most of the time though I do not. Linux-based systems have become such great daily drivers and more.
The reason your blackmate theme didnt change was because they are using a silver PNG image for the panel background
This was a review of MATE desktop, not OpenIndiana OS as such. Pretty lame :(
openindiana repositories are pretty limited atm. you're better sideloading things that derive from FreeBSD, there's not a whole lot of changes necessary to make, some will simply run natively. not sure if they got inkscape going, but certainly minecraft works just fine. what it all boils down to is forcing MS to release an API to allow every WinApp to work on every nonWin OS because we all know that WINE is the weakest link here. WINE needs to go byebye fast and we need a usable replacement. they've had 20+ years to fix their crap, but have failed miserably. most WINE devs cry clean room, that's one of the major problems. just make stuff work by hook or by crook.
I don't think an external util, specially one ported from Linux, would give an accurate reading in a "foreign" OS. In this case `htop` might not be the best tool. I think that the supplied utils might be better since they have to account for certain design or architectural special cases. I think you should try regular `top` even in Linux. You can make it look just as fancy as `htop` by customizing its config file.
The command you're looking for is: prstat -a 1. top has been a butt of jokes among Solaris people for years, because it causes the load to go up instead of being minimally intrusive, and it uses private kernel interfaces on Solaris, which in the Solaris world is a big no, since the only public interface to the kernel, guaranteed to be backwards compatible is libc. Because of this, top constantly needs recompilation, otherwise it'll crash. The native tool is prstat(1M).
How fascinating. While working at Lawrence Berkely lab (physics, not IT) Sun was all over. So SYS5 was it. Later, Apollo. SYS5 as well if I remember.
If I find time, I'll give it a spin for old time's sake.
Probably won't find the time. Stay with GNU/Linux
Fun fact: Caja is actually pronounced like "Caha" it is Spanish for box
Bonus: Pluma is Spanish for Pen
Damn bro giving me flash backs
Interesting since the NVIDIA drivers still support Solaris so a while ago I tried running it just for fun but the NVIDIA drivers didn't work and didn't even boot I might try it again perhaps :/
pretty cool. something a little different for once. nice nice
Sun and Netscape.. they were such good companies. -);
I was waiting for this
As someone who was a UNIX professional before the days of Linux, this takes me back. But, it really does remind me just how far Linux has taken the nix world though, Solaris looks totally primitive now compared to the improvements that Linux has made the last few decades. They were great back in the day, but Linux is worlds apart now from all the big Unixes.
You are "measuring" illumos and GNU/Linux based on desktops. GNU/Linux is still very primitive when compared to what illumos-based operating systems like OpenIndiana come with out of the box, under the hood. The illumos kernel is a space ship compared to Linux.
Forum post demoing Proton Steam. Even Hipster has a foot in the door lol. The more non-WIN solutions out there, the better. Gone are the days where beardy glasses would cry "This is a server only OS, not a home desktop OS". It's ours now... we're coming.
Facts
hey dt, could you do a video on minetest? i love that game and id love to see you cover it!
love ur work man!
1:54 Monte? That sure looks a hell lot like GNOME 2.
this os is truly unix operating system
Might make a nice media server depending on what's available in the repositories...
OpenOffice is back. It is being maintained by Apache Foundation.
Pray there will never be an “OpenOhio”
It's known as Oracle Linux...
I am waiting for 'OpenFloridaMan'
Ok, first 30 seconds and I already got a question - how can an OS maker legally call their OS "Unix"? Now... "Unix" would appear to be a registered trademark of the Open Group... and they certify operating systems. So does that mean Operating Systems certified via the Open Group can call themselves "Unix"? The whole "Unix" vs. "Unix-like" thing is REALLY hard for me to wrap my head around...
You are correct that any OS certified by the Open Group can call themselves "UNIX". Apple did it with Mac OS X years ago. Given that the Open Group is intended to support OSS, I'm sure it's relatively easy and cheap for OpenIndiana to get certified as UNIX given that the Solaris kernel from which it hails was already certified.
As long as they file for certification and approved while meeting every single standard requirement of Unix they can call themselves unix after certification. "unix-like' is such a broad term these days could be an uncertified unix OS or an entirely different OS mimicking the functionality. Fact is Apple is the only company keeping their certifications very very up-to-date with the certification besides IBM who is about 2 years behind. The fact is Apple is the only company with an operating system that actively maintains its unix certification with every single major update.
@@thewiirocks The problem is Solaris never kept up with their certification so chances are openindiana wouldn't meet the requirements today since things have changed as time went on. The only other major player left in certification is IBM.
@@christopherfortineux6937 so Apple is up to date and IBM is 2 years behind? If that's the case, then what actual importance does a Unix certification hold?
The GUI of the installer looks like a revamped version of the original Solaris GUI installer
This sunos based distros have different systems. So the cpu usage came from there
Htop is red, so it's kernel. Not user space.
Nimbus still rocks!
Solaris is supported through 2034, it hasn't been killed off yet.
Not an endorsement, even if you're running Itanium architecture. I had a little "staycation" in Solaris last summer on my laptop and oh boy was it a slog.
Solaris was always most at home on SPARC, with heavy support from the system's hardware. The more generic x86 edition was never as good and was what generated the moniker "Slow-laris".
Fwiw that support is for Oracle Solaris, not illumos based opensolaris installs
Today I installed openindiana 2024.04 on macbook late 2008 13" 2Ghz .
@ 4:10 "think of it kind of like how SYSTEMD manages services..." re SMF -- I said out loud, "oh, so it sucks, in other words!" ;-) Please don't hurt me, Lennart, only kidding.
Actually backwards, systemd is basically Linux attempt to clone SMF, not particularly successful but marginally better than raw init scripts…
Very interesting system
I feel with the age of a lot of the software in the OS, it's potentially a security risk. I could be wrong. I wouldn't run a web server on this unless it's not important.
Can't believe you're not an IT guy!
Somehow, this looked physically painful for you. Was it the lack of Linux? Did someone twist your arm to do it? The world may never know...
I believe it should work on qemu or libvirt
Yes it will work in qemu but you have to use IDE disks, BIOS booting, and possibly VGA video... I don't remember if virtio video works.
It works, but isn't a great experience. Pci passthrough would probably fix the driver issues, but that's a lot of work compared to virtualbox with guest additions.
Tried to get this running in KVM, and gave up after few hours. It simply doesn't like that hypervisor, which is sad :(
Maybe one day, I can dick around it's innards once it works, as it's an interesting OS to look at.
This was developed as a commercial grade operating system which is suprising good for enterprise....
Things you need to know
Like every other operating system you need to have a steep learning curve to understand what could be agood experience.
You would probably need to be looking for a workstation,cloudstation or server installation
Licensing is solaris sun,debian,and bsd FDO the best of all worlds.
Text installer type pkg install ..... and select to install say libreoffice
text installer aimed at enterpise professionals looking to customise their install
Its and operating system with a desktop workstaion commercial zfs and other backup tools
Install is kept minimal with few applications listed, you can install disability user narrator based on FDF software..its got a lot if you get to understand it been used in business for sometime mostly stable with server owners boasting use for over seven years without problems...it is really interesting if you want to move to the next level...
To install workstaion applicatiions use your ff browser and navigate to openindiana.org/hipster repository where repros detail applcations.Please note that there are many application to listed here, like BSD many oter applications can be could be installed separately.
Use the terminal
The system does not have the marketing system of kernel releases instead it is contanty update.
Log in as root user
Type su
password
once you have decided on a new password
Type pkg update to update the system
Check the graphical repro in the browser
type pkg install (the package you want say libreoffice etc)
The system has built in help to ive so idea of workstation applications click here..www.flickr.com/photos/67976888@N06/with/50907367828/