This engineering crapness belongs to me so the video is a difficult watch. I'd like to say thank you to Hambini for his efforts and for being such an awesome person to deal with. I haven't started a warranty claim yet as I was waiting for this video, but I'll update as and when I get any response from Trek. I've since purchased a 2019 Giant TCR Advanced 1 and I'm very happy with it. The spin test with the Shimano BB is amazing compared to the Trek. EDIT: 20/10/2020 I finally got round to making a warranty claim with Trek as I was waiting to see if they brought out an updated frame for 2021. They haven't updated the frame, but they have bought out a very nice red / orange fade colour scheme. Anyway, I initially claimed on the basis of the welding defect but Trek dismissed that, saying it was 'part of the normal build process'. After that I went back to them with the undersized and misaligned BB, together with a mention that the frame had been inspected by a 'professional bottom bracket engineer' and I was prepared to make a claim in the small claims court. Lo and behold, Trek have now said they will replace the frame as a 'goodwill gesture'. EDIT: 30/10/2020 I picked the new frame up from my LBS yesterday, in the new orange to red fade paint scheme. It's very nice except for one or two areas where the finish is piss poor. I've measured the BB with my cheap ebay verniers and I think it's undersized and not quite round on both sides. There are also some small areas in the BB and head tube where the welding has blown through. In fairness to Trek they shipped it over from Europe as it's not in stock yet in the UK. EDIT: 16/02/2021 The saga continues. I got my new frame in October last year and since I had my TCR, I wasn't in a great hurry to build it up, especially as I needed to get some new direct mount brake calipers and some wheels and other bits for it. I got most of what I needed and started building it up after the New Year. When it was almost complete and I put a rear wheel in and the chain on to set the gears up, I noticed the wheel looked as though it wasn't aligned centrally with the seat tube. So I made sure it was properly located in the drop outs and checked it again and it still looked like it was well off towards the drive side. So anyway I thought maybe the wheel was dished, although this was not a new wheel but one I had been using in the previous frame and also on the TCR, and I hadn't noticed a problem with it previously. So I tried a few more wheels in the frame and they all were misaligned with the seat tube, well towards the drive side. When you flipped to wheel over, the result was the same - misaligned towards the drive side. So I contacted the shop and they asked me to drop it in along with the wheel. At first the owner agreed that there was a problem, but later I got an email from them saying that Trek had asked them to try a different wheel and they reckoned there wasn't an issue. Trying very hard not to loose my rag, I emailed them back and told them to look again, using a rim with no tyre on and by looking at it from behind with their nose right up close to the rim and with both eyes open, not squinting through one. Shortly after I got another email from the shop saying that they'd 'tried a different wheel' and they could see it was 'a bit off' (it was well off but any amount is too much). So they've asked Trek to collect the frame and carry out an inspection. That was last week and I'm waiting to hear back from them. With a bit of luck I might eventually get something which is made properly but I'm not holding my breath.
Please do keep us posted. I have a feeling Trek will do nothing to correct the issue. I have (more or less) the same issue with my Trek and I definitely would never buy another bike from them again.
Mr Hambini, I just want to thank you for saving my marriage and family’a capital. My husband after discovering your RUclips Chanel has stoped making dump ass decisions about purchasing cycling shat. From the bottom of my heart and having cycling included in my prenup I am grateful to you that I have one thing less to worry about! Cheers!
I recommend AvE too to expand your vocabulary. I'm an EE who rides a basic steel bike w an internal hub so most of what Hambini knows is another language besides profanity being universal.
This is my first time hearing about this channel and it's absolutely brilliant. Your camera work is on the piss, but the content is spot on. --New fan from Canada
Am I the only one who has the volume down the first few seconds till he says " Hello Hambini fans!" ? Last time I forgot, Scared the shit out of my dog. Look forward to each new enlightened video.
Hambini, continue à parler comme tu le fais car les vélos et le pièces sont chères et si certaines marques fabriquent de la merde ils faut le dire haut et fort...Merci pour ton franc-parler... Hambini, keep talking like you do because bikes and parts are expensive and if some brands make shit you have to say it loud and clear ... Thank you for your outspokenness ...
The key to get a good aluminium frame is stress relieving! And: machining afterwards! I can tell a lot of stories (Storck: expensive shit from Germany) but some folks are able to deal with ist (I have a 14 year old Marin without BB problems). I would send this piece of horror back to Trek - they call out lifetime warranty - so they should replace it into a contemporary AL frame (you had the old one with external cable routing). I own (or owned) several Trek's and Specialized's and Storck's and some cheaper stuff (Marin, Stevens, Merida) and I would say: the cheaper ones are not the worse ones! (OK, Merida does not ream holes in the seat tube - I could shoot them for that). If they have a good programming engineer (for the welding robots) and have a proper stress relieving - it works! If not, you're fucked. Regardless the frame costs you 250 € or 1000 € or just 100 €. But Carbon isn't better! I had five different Focus Mares CX frames until I got an exemplar without delaminations and blowholes (steering tube - bearing seating). You made your way through aerospace engineering - I made my way through mechanical engineering (automotive, PUR,) and I wonder how these companies could sell such a crap to their customers. If we would built our buses like this we had to hang ourselves after our customers kicked our asses! BIke industry (and dealers) is full of ignorant and wisdom-free honks!
I just bought a Time because of Hambini's review a week or two ago. I had been thinking about it, and when he said it was "the lick", I bought it. Looks totally sweet and can't wait to get out on it (waiting on a couple more parts to arrive).
Again, despite Hambini writing off some of the self-alignment of old-school threaded bottom brackets, the other upside of them is that they are just easy as pie to change out at home.
@@workingguy-OU812 The issue here isn't ease of replacment. A threaded BB it isn't going to fix a poorly made frame, no matter how many times you replace it.
@@johnm91326 It won't - agreed. But it will let me keep riding on my poorly-made-buying-decision when Trek/Specialized/etc. refuses to warranty it. But - if I DO get a straight BB shell, I can still replace it easily, albeit much less often. And that's what I've been doing while my buddies' press-fit nightmares keep them from riding their favorite bikes until they have the time to take them to the bike shops.
‘It won’t stand up in a court of law’. Love it!! I’m old enough to remember when facing bottom brackets and head tubes were part of every build. You would’ve hated Italian frames back in the day
For some reason, reaming an Italian bottom bracket always makes me think of Gina Lollobrigida. These days you have to sell a kidney or two just to afford the tools to work on all the different BB standards. • ITA/BSA threaded • BB90 and BB95 • PF86 and PF92 • BB30 • OSBB (road) • BB30A and BB30-83 Ai • PF30 • OSBB (mountain) • PF30A and PF30-83 Ai • BBRight • BB386 EVO • T47 • Threadfit 82.5 • SRAM DUB That's a few I can think of off hand. Now we also have the flat-mount disc brake bollocks. A decent facing tool for that is around 500 Euros. Maybe this is a reason I hear so many new 'cutting edge technology' bikes creaking like the shithouse door on the Titanic.
c johnson At least with Surly - they’re up front about it and specifically cite bearing life as the reason if memory serves. They tell you to face the paint off the bb shell before installing the cups.
Really Interesting watch Hambini. I can remember when i purchased my Btwin Ultra 720 AF people warned me of the quality of the frame. Having seen that the "Big Boys" can make such errors it is quite refreshing. Love my bike and feel it is a fantastic value bike. I would be curious to see if Hambini would also rave about these French Manufacturers?
I have the Émonda ALR 4 2018. I got it for $920 as my first road bike. My bike weighs 19.5 - 20 lbs (8.85 - 9.07 kg) the 2021 Émonda SL5 weighs 20.18 lbs (9.15 kg) AND COSTS $2700 !!!! All you’re getting is disc brakes!
Had exactly the same issue with my Hambini BB, same shite Emonda Alr.. I had to saw the thing out. I have since managed to put in a nylon bb, which needed to be forced. So far it’s working ok though......
Pardon my naivete, but wouldn't it make sense to make the bb tube a millimeter thicker, weld it up, wait a week or two, and then machine the i.d. to its finished diameter? Oh, wait. My bad. That would cost an extra $10 per frame for which they'd have to charge an additional $500 markup, which would in turn make their frames non competitively priced.
That is how you would do a welding ass under normal circumstances.You wouldn't have to wait a week either because after welding these frames should go through heat treatment because they have been anealed due to welding .Once done you would bore and thread.
@RollinRat The $10 figure is a WAG with enough wiggle room for setups, training, labor, pensions, etc. Obviously the cost of a simple line bore operation spread over 100,000 units would be peanuts. It seems therefore the mass produced frame makers value the cycling public beneath peanuts, perhaps at the level of peanut fertilizer.
The funny thing about those who complain about the language is they do so here (mainly to convince themselves they are made of a better clay), then come out of their workplace with colleagues and go for a couple pints together and the language that comes out of their mouth is like opening a sewer.
The only thing I worry about is RUclips deciding to ban the channel. There have been a couple of channels in the past that have disappeared because of too much "controversial language." Doesn't bother me, I just want to see Hambini stay on and get more subscribers.
I'm glad at 17:11 he mentions the word "compliant" and calls it out for what it is: a BS marketing word for flexible. Anyone using it cannot be trusted.
@@backdoorslam Ask any non-engineer what "compliant" means and they either have no idea or thinks it means "comfort" as intended by the marketing department.
@@tdot6832 that is correct. however by lowering the stiffness of the frame (more than the mass) you can lower the natural frequency of the frame. this way you can filter the road noise, giving the rider indeed more comfort.
I love it that even after dozens of videos, you still fuck around with the pointer options ;) Some Powerpoint tips in case the fancy pen doesn't work; To select the pen option, click ctrl+p. To erase what you have drawn, just click E.
Have a Look 555, with updated 11 speed Campagnolo and wheels. Love it still. A 16 year old bike. Just changed the BB last year when I had a crankset change. A friend I ride with changes his Trek BB bearings every 2000 miles. Ridiculous piece of shit.
"people comment on my language more than the engineering". You should feel happy about it. It reminds me of my master´s thesis defense when the main critique fell into the lack of romance of my writing but none on the engineering stuff...
He should be pissed: it means they're not paying attention to what he's saying about the engineering. Is like those dudes who didn't get that RATM was political until it was pointed out to them.
@@zenspeed404 They would probably find it easier to listen if it wasn't littered with SO many "for effect" expletives. One or two sure, but just because the pen disappeared from powerpoint for 2 seconds? Just edit the fucking video afterwards. It's like machining after welding. ;)
Hambini, about your language. I watch these videos with my 9 year old son. Both of us agree you have the most colourful vocabulary of any 5 year old we've encountered. Anyway, my boy thinks it's hilarious you had to drink some water to keep on swearing. Love it, keeps my boy laughing while soaking up the engineering. Cheers!
Again - quality content :) Love my Friday morning Hambini rant fix - keep up the awesome work coupled with hilarious content! I wonder how much to send a frame to Hambini from Australia - need me a Hambini BB just for bragging rights! HAHA :)
I'm not an engineer or engineering student. I don't really care for cycling. But being from Chicago, I appreciate good swearing and pointing out manufacturing failures.
Another great video. Am not an engineer so I love the detail. And can tell when I’m talking to a bike tech now if they know their stuff or not. Like the solutions you come up with even more
When I was a young apprentice, many moons ago, one of the old timers always used to say "let your eye be your guide". Well when my eye saw that bottom bracket it swivelled 90 degrees towards my other eye and said "what the fucking fuck is THAT?". 😂
When I was taking my framebuilding course, the instructor described how the Colnago people would jump on the frame from a chair to straighten them. “Coldsetting” was the euphemism for “Bending”.
I seen the title and just about cried. Last episode was my Quartz Rikon R power meter. This episode is the Emonda. 2 for 2 - shit... I was so very happy to see it was the ALR version (sorry if you have the ALR version). Hambini is way more enjoyable when it's not your pride and joy being roasted, keep them coming, we need to hear it.
one time i was replacing a carbon brush in a motor, tried to weld it except that the surface where you put it on was alluminum(i didnt know at that time); i acidentally reinvented fireworks and trashed the motor
I empathise with you that the engineering you are dealing with is so bad you would never expect it and hence the harsh language to describe it. Perhaps a more objective scale for ranking the different manufacturers would work better. One thing that makes your videos so good is how you measure, compare and quantify the issues you find against the standards. It makes it clear for the non-engineering people the number, type and severity of problems that can’t easily be found just by looking at the product.
Had a Trek, crashed a Trek, couldn’t fix a Trek, who the F designs a mountain bike with a welded rear mech hanger! Bye Felicia! Another brilliant video. Glad to hear someone else still looks up to Lance. “The Look”! One of my favorite clips ever!
Once the BB shell ID has been galled up by the interference fit, it’s not possible to get reliable measurements of the original dimensions. We really don’t know what went wrong with this frame.
greg taylor: yes, because galling is cold-welding across the interface, it definitely can reduce the diameter. It’s a buildup of material from the bearing housing they were trying to push in. Also, galling roughens the surface, which would also reduce the ID and make it more irregular.
Hambini: not having seen trek’s print, I would guess the center of the BB shell is not a specified or critical surface. The only areas that matter is ~10mm in from each end. Trek is not expecting someone to try and shove an interference fit tube all the way through from one side. The BB they designed it for is pressed in from EACH side of the BB. I’m not arguing the frame tolerances were good, they probably weren’t (for the weld distortion reasons you correctly identify in the video). However, it’s not reasonable to interference fit bare & dry aluminum over a ~70mm length and not expect galling; the galling threshold stress for self-mated aluminum is quite low (especially wrought aluminum grades). For this to work, the bearing housing should be steel, the frame tube heated to expand it, and/or the interface well lubricated (likely impossible over that distance).
@@GHinWI your point about inserting a Hambioni BB is valid. However, Trek should ensure the two machined ends of the BB lined up and the visual check at the beginning clearly shows that the two ends of the BB shell were significantly misaligned. Anything that you can see visually so easily should have been straight in the scrap bin. Personally I am shocked that Trek allow welding repairs as major as the one we saw. Perhaps this frame WAS out of the scrap bin...
Is there more to this story? I'm curious about what might have happened to this frame before it got to Hambini. If the bottom bracket was this far out of spec from the factory, how did they make it work well enough to sell it? What did it take to get it apart?
I wonder how many Hambini videos will be needed for bicycle brands to stop selling their defective units? That practice has to end!!! Thank you Hambini for exposing them
Nonsense Whenever there is mass production involved,there will be mistakes like this! Trek is no exception! I'm sure his favorite toys,Look and Time have plenty of screwups,but he's not gonna mention that! Give me quality aluminum frame over a ridiculously light and super fragile, any time! Steel, Titanium,and aluminum (for the people on the budget, like me) any time! Greetings from Croatia 😊
Aluminium siphoning off heat almost faster than you can add it when you are welding it, is what the problem of its heat conductivity comes down to, as Hambini in the above vid explained. For that reason, I wonder if it could be beneficial to pre-heat the zone in the middle of which you'd want to weld (with a gas burner /blow torch), even though it would require a stricter order of work (and positioning your parts on their relative position, and fixating them there, in advance), as you can't touch them and change their relative position once you have them all scalding hot.. Heating that whole zone in the middle of where you want to go weld your parts together, would make you LOSE so much LESS heat when you are ACTUALLY DOING the welding, that a lot less heat energy would be sucked away from that narrow area that's your work zone (at) the very moment you actually are welding as well, which in turns means you have to be much less elaborate with that welding (activity) itself. It might help a lot in avoiding getting a burn-through. I do feel there is something like a contradiction in ideas (and actual approaches) like this, it is much more about being very precise I recon. Anyway.. also, pre-heating would cause all those pieces of tube and parts to be hot in a much more equal manner, so theoretically you might end up with much less risk of distortion once you are done and your work has cooled. Just wondering.
So this video hit close to home as I have a Trek Domane ALR. I gotta say I love the way the bike rides and feels but the BB game me problems (of course!). It wouldn’t stop making a clicking sound on the drive side under load. This was before I knew of Hambini so I bought a BB Infinite. It worked fine, no clicking in almost a year. Oh, the crank is a SRAM GXP 🤣 so yeah, I had quite the noise-making ammo in that BB shell, but thankfully the crank has given me no issues. Thanks, Hambini. I always learn something with every video but even more so with this one.
Well have a Trek tandem road across wisconsin the seat clamp failed would not stay up, road without a seat, Had a first generation aluminum trek fork broke, had a trek Madone and it was the bb, I have new trek that I can not ride and had so many defects that I wanted months before they would let me get the bike, bad paint job, and various other problems I live in Wisconsin 29 miles from the Trek company and want to support Trek but!
@@borano2031 The tandem note wife damaged shoulder so we had to get a bike trip for a 500-mile ride. It was great fun and her seat post worked. The fork problem well used to fall and just get up go to ER and bike agian..to old now traded that frame for a steel frame and fork. etc. I had fun until the expensive domane slr that was a trek project one trek store freak show. I road it and it just kept breaking in all directions clicking sounds etc... I keep it under a dark cover in the basement... I spent last summer at trek store waiting where they kept fixing the project one was done almost to cold to ride. I road it twenty miles short ride the brake cables were reversed clicking noise they said it was fine drove to another trek store they fixed it and I was so sore from the twenty mile ride... I ride a surly with a Rohloff hub fits fine but that trek is like a pain machine fit is all wrong. trek ...stack reach etc but does not fit well and is pain machine Patience is age-based old age eliminates contacts to keep you safe My time is short for long rides and fun on my bike. Patience no. I have no time for patience.
This language thing, I don't think people are complaining, just worrying, I totally agree with Jamison Roberts comment a few hours ago. You are clearly an intuitive and a let's say it, brilliant engineer, aerospace background, a real talent there on top, outstanding communication and explanations. I love your channel and subscribe. I use the same language. The worry is that doing it publicly and calling people names like that, slagging off multinational companies, rightly or wrongly, leaves you open to some mean litigation. My point is, what you show is so powerful, it actually downgrades the message. We want you on here. We NEED you on here. I hope you don't end up getting shut down, or slowed down, because of something that isn't necessary. It's a plea, not a complaint, thanks for your site, no question you will drive improvements for all of us.
I would assume that it took a similar amount of force to get the shell into the BB, why the hell would anyone with any mechanical where-with-all continue to apply that level of force?!?!?
Owned an Emonda (the SLR, so not cheap) for 6 months before getting shot of it. Never have I been so underwhelmed by a bike. The drive-side bearing was a rattling good fit and just fell out, it felt like it was made of overcooked spaghetti, and the handling was as numb as the original Audi TT.
I've got the Purple Flip version of this.. nice ride, no issues with it so likely the owner of this bike was just unlucky. Even Look make the odd shit frame, just that their shit frames never slip through their QC checks
I do too. The purple flip color is on newer versions. His bike has external cable routing so it's at least four years old. That black-on-black scheme was on the ALR 4 *edit: also on the 2017 ALR 6* or I guess the standalone frame.
as a graduate mechanical engineer, yes, engineering language is like this. we get held accountable for pretty much everything (except finance probably). everyone comes to you if there's a problem and you're assumed to know the answer or find the answer out, everyone else seems to play dumb. so it's no wonder we get pissed at everything since we can't catch a break. I'm in oil and gas so obviously different sectors will differ slightly. Edit: waiting for the "OnLy sHiT eNgiNeErS sAy ThAt" comments
Thanks for the video. I just bought a Trek MTB then I saw this. Just FYI we had a project that involved welding aluminum piping for fuel and our best welders were failing a big % of weld tests. Turned out a genius Engineer at the USAF decided a spec for rocked fuel pipe welding was a great idea. Finally got to 100% pass for 3 welders using a pre-heating process.
As much as I agree with most of your content, you'll rip my thiccc 28c tyres out of my cold dead non carpal tunnel fingers. I'll gladly sacrifice a few watts for way better comfort over shite roads as I can probably put down more watts when not doing my best impression of curb hopping v8 supercar :D
@@MaplePanda04 he he really, what you think the organisers are choosing smooth roads, come on man and btw even 25 is to wide at least for me; perhaps when I am 60 I will think different
My emonda sl6 in again (3in 2 years)-for new bottom bracket..... trek shop says normal. Now have to get larger bearings for tighter fit...my ultegra 8000 crank arms broken.....they delaminated in the hollow arms. Wtf! I just want a reliable bike. What is best Carbon frame, bottom bracket , and group set ?
@@ericweaver3057 My checkpoint was creaking a lot turned out to be the stranglehold dropout that needed to be cleaned and lubed, I'd check that before dealing with the BB.
@@MAGAIVER I checked the stranglehold dropout and although it was finger tight, it was easily tightened by a wrench. I tightened nuts to spec and took the bike for a quick ride around the neighborhood. No more creaks; Sir I owe you a beer. Thank you.
Bought aluminum frame from Taiwan relevantly cheap and I was amazed quality of welds paint and yes BB shell. Got me suspected that lot of name brands use same factories same manufacturers just put their label and charge you 10x more.Its been over 5yrs ZERO issues with the frame.
@RollinRat if they can’t or don’t want to maintain a proper QA, then they have to accept a higher reject ratio for scrap it’s as simple as that. Otherwise more warranty claims = greater and greater customer dissatisfaction = brand destruction.
That's why I continue to use Treks for more than 30 years: any issues, clain for warranty and, VOILAAA! Brand new frame. Simply as that. Here in Brazil Trek supports perfectly their costumers, no matter the age of the frame. But this kind of problems are realy a p**** in the a****.
This is a friggin great video. I just found your tosser channel, I don't know how but I am now a subscriber. I am in construction and I was in the Navy AND I find your language offensive. Keep up the good work!
The good news is that I know as a Trek dealer, that if I ran into a problem like this, one call to Trek would have a new frame headed our way under their lifetime warranty. No company makes perfect products, but rather it's how they handle things when there are problems. Trek has been really good to us for 20 years.
What a classic treatise, from so many angles! Trek has def gone downhill since the Made in the USA U.S. Postal Lance frames. I rode a 5200 OCLV in the early nineties that actually was a pretty decent frame. As I recall, the tubing was male, and joined into slightly larger inner diameter female carbon "lugs", which resulted in a virtually "seamless" joint, with both having the same outer diameter.....It's great watching an objective engineering review vs. Trek marketing b.s.....Speaking of Lance, interesting how every company distanced themselves from (ditched) him, even though he made Trek and Shimano gazillionaires......guess there always has to be a fall guy.......and yes, Jacinda is hot, save for her horrific politics. Guess that makes her a great candidate for a good h.f. God, did I really say that? Can't even call that a term of endearment!
This engineering crapness belongs to me so the video is a difficult watch.
I'd like to say thank you to Hambini for his efforts and for being such an awesome person to deal with. I haven't started a warranty claim yet as I was waiting for this video, but I'll update as and when I get any response from Trek.
I've since purchased a 2019 Giant TCR Advanced 1 and I'm very happy with it. The spin test with the Shimano BB is amazing compared to the Trek.
EDIT: 20/10/2020 I finally got round to making a warranty claim with Trek as I was waiting to see if they brought out an updated frame for 2021. They haven't updated the frame, but they have bought out a very nice red / orange fade colour scheme. Anyway, I initially claimed on the basis of the welding defect but Trek dismissed that, saying it was 'part of the normal build process'. After that I went back to them with the undersized and misaligned BB, together with a mention that the frame had been inspected by a 'professional bottom bracket engineer' and I was prepared to make a claim in the small claims court. Lo and behold, Trek have now said they will replace the frame as a 'goodwill gesture'.
EDIT: 30/10/2020 I picked the new frame up from my LBS yesterday, in the new orange to red fade paint scheme. It's very nice except for one or two areas where the finish is piss poor. I've measured the BB with my cheap ebay verniers and I think it's undersized and not quite round on both sides. There are also some small areas in the BB and head tube where the welding has blown through. In fairness to Trek they shipped it over from Europe as it's not in stock yet in the UK.
EDIT: 16/02/2021 The saga continues. I got my new frame in October last year and since I had my TCR, I wasn't in a great hurry to build it up, especially as I needed to get some new direct mount brake calipers and some wheels and other bits for it. I got most of what I needed and started building it up after the New Year. When it was almost complete and I put a rear wheel in and the chain on to set the gears up, I noticed the wheel looked as though it wasn't aligned centrally with the seat tube. So I made sure it was properly located in the drop outs and checked it again and it still looked like it was well off towards the drive side. So anyway I thought maybe the wheel was dished, although this was not a new wheel but one I had been using in the previous frame and also on the TCR, and I hadn't noticed a problem with it previously. So I tried a few more wheels in the frame and they all were misaligned with the seat tube, well towards the drive side. When you flipped to wheel over, the result was the same - misaligned towards the drive side.
So I contacted the shop and they asked me to drop it in along with the wheel. At first the owner agreed that there was a problem, but later I got an email from them saying that Trek had asked them to try a different wheel and they reckoned there wasn't an issue. Trying very hard not to loose my rag, I emailed them back and told them to look again, using a rim with no tyre on and by looking at it from behind with their nose right up close to the rim and with both eyes open, not squinting through one. Shortly after I got another email from the shop saying that they'd 'tried a different wheel' and they could see it was 'a bit off' (it was well off but any amount is too much). So they've asked Trek to collect the frame and carry out an inspection. That was last week and I'm waiting to hear back from them. With a bit of luck I might eventually get something which is made properly but I'm not holding my breath.
Good to hear from the customer.. Keep us updated with your warranty claim..
I hope your enjoying your new bike 🚲
Take care 😁👍
How will they wriggle out of this one. Show them the hole is 40.8mm. It may aswell be square.
With a name like that I cant help but feel durian rider recommended this bike to you 😂
I got a Checkpoint ALR, I guess I should be worried as well :-|
Please do keep us posted. I have a feeling Trek will do nothing to correct the issue. I have (more or less) the same issue with my Trek and I definitely would never buy another bike from them again.
Mr Hambini, I just want to thank you for saving my marriage and family’a capital. My husband after discovering your RUclips Chanel has stoped making dump ass decisions about purchasing cycling shat. From the bottom of my heart and having cycling included in my prenup I am grateful to you that I have one thing less to worry about! Cheers!
I am a 25 year engineer - I come here to learn and learn new words. On the jobsite it is a fantastic weapon.
I recommend AvE too to expand your vocabulary.
I'm an EE who rides a basic steel bike w an internal hub so most of what Hambini knows is another language besides profanity being universal.
Always learning good on u
FYI he uses digital calipers not a vernier.
@@fuellivery2579 doesn't a digital caliper still have a Vernier scale in some shape or form...?
Ironmanderton No
This channel has taught me to not spend too much on a bike. And it's friggin hysterical
This is my first time hearing about this channel and it's absolutely brilliant.
Your camera work is on the piss, but the content is spot on.
--New fan from Canada
I actually appreciate this language. We need more brutal honesty in this world.
Am I the only one who has the volume down the first few seconds till he says " Hello Hambini fans!" ? Last time I forgot, Scared the shit out of my dog. Look forward to each new enlightened video.
Watched this first time, 00:47 last night. Luckily Telecom Italia was a bit slow (slow like a trek bb) so I had time to adjust the volume down!
HAHAHAHHAHAAHAHH
Turn it up!
Sell the poor dog?? Rgr
Nope!
I want to lie about having a BB problem and ship my bike to Hambini just so I know he touched it.
id let him touch my bottom bracket any day...
always love the mix of engineering passion, foul language and home-made, lo-tech demo of manufacturing cr@pness. Keep it coming Hambini.
Your use of language is called puncuation in Ireland - keep up the good work. ;-)
gotta have a like for that.
Hambini, continue à parler comme tu le fais car les vélos et le pièces sont chères et si certaines marques fabriquent de la merde ils faut le dire haut et fort...Merci pour ton franc-parler...
Hambini, keep talking like you do because bikes and parts are expensive and if some brands make shit you have to say it loud and clear ... Thank you for your outspokenness ...
Il y en a marre de ces gens qui paient 3000 4000 5000 euro
This happened specially when manufacturers became only brands.
The key to get a good aluminium frame is
stress relieving! And: machining afterwards! I can tell a lot of stories (Storck: expensive shit from Germany) but some folks are able to deal with ist (I have a 14 year old Marin without BB problems). I would send this piece of horror back to Trek - they call out lifetime warranty - so they should replace it into a contemporary AL frame (you had the old one with external cable routing).
I own (or owned) several Trek's and Specialized's and Storck's and some cheaper stuff (Marin, Stevens, Merida) and I would say: the cheaper ones are not the worse ones! (OK, Merida does not ream holes in the seat tube - I could shoot them for that). If they have a good programming engineer (for the welding robots) and have a proper stress relieving - it works! If not, you're fucked. Regardless the frame costs you 250 € or 1000 € or just 100 €.
But Carbon isn't better! I had five different Focus Mares CX frames until I got an exemplar without delaminations and blowholes (steering tube - bearing seating).
You made your way through aerospace engineering - I made my way through mechanical engineering (automotive, PUR,) and I wonder how these companies could sell such a crap to their customers. If we would built our buses like this we had to hang ourselves after our customers kicked our asses! BIke industry (and dealers) is full of ignorant and wisdom-free honks!
I just bought a Time because of Hambini's review a week or two ago. I had been thinking about it, and when he said it was "the lick", I bought it. Looks totally sweet and can't wait to get out on it (waiting on a couple more parts to arrive).
@Steve King www.
Are you waiting for the bottom bracket?
The way it's going, I'll never buy another bike as they all have crap bottom brackets
Again, despite Hambini writing off some of the self-alignment of old-school threaded bottom brackets, the other upside of them is that they are just easy as pie to change out at home.
@@workingguy-OU812 The issue here isn't ease of replacment. A threaded BB it isn't going to fix a poorly made frame, no matter how many times you replace it.
@@johnm91326 It won't - agreed. But it will let me keep riding on my poorly-made-buying-decision when Trek/Specialized/etc. refuses to warranty it. But - if I DO get a straight BB shell, I can still replace it easily, albeit much less often. And that's what I've been doing while my buddies' press-fit nightmares keep them from riding their favorite bikes until they have the time to take them to the bike shops.
you can get a yoeleo or a look
Or Time, according to Hambini.
‘It won’t stand up in a court of law’. Love it!!
I’m old enough to remember when facing bottom brackets and head tubes were part of every build. You would’ve hated Italian frames back in the day
I mean, isn't this still a thing with some steel frames if you don't buy a full build from the manufacturer?
Those were the days, taking the bottom bracket spindle with some grease and lining up all the ball bearing and sliding into the BB cup!
For some reason, reaming an Italian bottom bracket always makes me think of Gina Lollobrigida. These days you have to sell a kidney or two just to afford the tools to work on all the different BB standards.
• ITA/BSA threaded
• BB90 and BB95
• PF86 and PF92
• BB30
• OSBB (road)
• BB30A and BB30-83 Ai
• PF30
• OSBB (mountain)
• PF30A and PF30-83 Ai
• BBRight
• BB386 EVO
• T47
• Threadfit 82.5
• SRAM DUB
That's a few I can think of off hand. Now we also have the flat-mount disc brake bollocks. A decent facing tool for that is around 500 Euros. Maybe this is a reason I hear so many new 'cutting edge technology' bikes creaking like the shithouse door on the Titanic.
c johnson At least with Surly - they’re up front about it and specifically cite bearing life as the reason if memory serves. They tell you to face the paint off the bb shell before installing the cups.
@@CodSlap Yeah, I was looking at my Ogre while typing that
My friend has just purchased the new emonda. I posted a link to this video into our group chat to troll him
The new Emonda (2021) has a threaded bb apparently. Your buddy will be happy he waited.
@@superstrada6847 He will enjoy poor bearing life, if he's unlucky
@@superstrada6847 ......... provided the left and right sides of the bottom bracket bracket shell are correctly aligned.
I’ve been told that Hambini shagging the non-drive side bearing of a GXP BB is an H7 fit.
Really Interesting watch Hambini. I can remember when i purchased my Btwin Ultra 720 AF people warned me of the quality of the frame. Having seen that the "Big Boys" can make such errors it is quite refreshing. Love my bike and feel it is a fantastic value bike. I would be curious to see if Hambini would also rave about these French Manufacturers?
You got me confused. Is the drive side now on the left on a Trek bike? 🙃
Just scrolled through comments and I'm surprised it took so long to find first person to notice it...
I had one of those with a Hambini BB and it was a real pain to fit it to the frame. Now i understand why! Thanks for the enlightenment!!
I have the Émonda ALR 4 2018. I got it for $920 as my first road bike. My bike weighs 19.5 - 20 lbs (8.85 - 9.07 kg) the 2021 Émonda SL5 weighs 20.18 lbs (9.15 kg) AND COSTS $2700 !!!! All you’re getting is disc brakes!
And a carbon fiber frame and 105 components, ??
B Haas and that’s worth 1700 more dollars? For an extra half pound too?
@@nickmazzone6067 That's up to you, I don't like aluminum frames so yeah
The new Edmonda is aero too. You're paying for the technology.
What really rang home for me was ‘‘you should have a sample size of zero.” Of course they should- they’re only manufacturing a frame ffs!
Had exactly the same issue with my Hambini BB, same shite Emonda Alr.. I had to saw the thing out. I have since managed to put in a nylon bb, which needed to be forced. So far it’s working ok though......
I found Hambini in 2022. Not all heroes wear capes. Well done brother 🙏🏽
Pardon my naivete, but wouldn't it make sense to make the bb tube a millimeter thicker, weld it up, wait a week or two, and then machine the i.d. to its finished diameter? Oh, wait. My bad. That would cost an extra $10 per frame for which they'd have to charge an additional $500 markup, which would in turn make their frames non competitively priced.
A week is not enough time to allow stress relief in a weldment or casting
@@Behemotheffenrocks It beats 15 minutes.
That is how you would do a welding ass under normal circumstances.You wouldn't have to wait a week either because after welding these frames should go through heat treatment because they have been anealed due to welding .Once done you would bore and thread.
naivety
@RollinRat The $10 figure is a WAG with enough wiggle room for setups, training, labor, pensions, etc. Obviously the cost of a simple line bore operation spread over 100,000 units would be peanuts. It seems therefore the mass produced frame makers value the cycling public beneath peanuts, perhaps at the level of peanut fertilizer.
"Gordon Bennett!" Always love Hambini for some new brit slang.
The funny thing about those who complain about the language is they do so here (mainly to convince themselves they are made of a better clay), then come out of their workplace with colleagues and go for a couple pints together and the language that comes out of their mouth is like opening a sewer.
The only thing I worry about is RUclips deciding to ban the channel. There have been a couple of channels in the past that have disappeared because of too much "controversial language." Doesn't bother me, I just want to see Hambini stay on and get more subscribers.
They’re just words. Not inherently evil. It’s thoughts and intentions that can be evil. Fuck ‘em if they can’t take a joke.
Thats what I love about this channel,. He just speaks out what he thinks.
Hypocrisy is taking over the world!
I'm hear for the language. The engineering is way over my head.
Love it, that you always surf the german websites without a reason :D
I'm glad at 17:11 he mentions the word "compliant" and calls it out for what it is: a BS marketing word for flexible. Anyone using it cannot be trusted.
The corporate world likes to use so called buzz words, when really they are just talking bollocks.
"compliant" is a legitimate often used engineering term. The reciprocate to the term stiff.
@@backdoorslam Ask any non-engineer what "compliant" means and they either have no idea or thinks it means "comfort" as intended by the marketing department.
@@tdot6832 that is correct. however by lowering the stiffness of the frame (more than the mass) you can lower the natural frequency of the frame. this way you can filter the road noise, giving the rider indeed more comfort.
@@backdoorslam You've just given more fodder to the copywriters: "lower the natural frequency of the frame...filter the road noise". Love it! lol.
I love it that even after dozens of videos, you still fuck around with the pointer options ;)
Some Powerpoint tips in case the fancy pen doesn't work; To select the pen option, click ctrl+p. To erase what you have drawn, just click E.
Your drive / non-drive side call outs are backwards
Thanks so much for these videos. I ride an old LOOK. I'll never want one of these new press fit bottom bracket bikes. Keep up the good work.
Have a Look 555, with updated 11 speed Campagnolo and wheels. Love it still. A 16 year old bike. Just changed the BB last year when I had a crankset change. A friend I ride with changes his Trek BB bearings every 2000 miles. Ridiculous piece of shit.
"people comment on my language more than the engineering". You should feel happy about it. It reminds me of my master´s thesis defense when the main critique fell into the lack of romance of my writing but none on the engineering stuff...
Too many arts graduates. They don't understand basic engineering terms and should be restricted to asking if you want fries.
He should be pissed: it means they're not paying attention to what he's saying about the engineering.
Is like those dudes who didn't get that RATM was political until it was pointed out to them.
@@zenspeed404 They would probably find it easier to listen if it wasn't littered with SO many "for effect" expletives. One or two sure, but just because the pen disappeared from powerpoint for 2 seconds? Just edit the fucking video afterwards. It's like machining after welding. ;)
"Gordon Bennett". Priceless mate. Made me smile. You win the internet 2020.
Hell Yah Hambinin Stickers !!!!!
Hambini, about your language. I watch these videos with my 9 year old son. Both of us agree you have the most colourful vocabulary of any 5 year old we've encountered. Anyway, my boy thinks it's hilarious you had to drink some water to keep on swearing. Love it, keeps my boy laughing while soaking up the engineering. Cheers!
Again - quality content :)
Love my Friday morning Hambini rant fix - keep up the awesome work coupled with hilarious content!
I wonder how much to send a frame to Hambini from Australia - need me a Hambini BB just for bragging rights! HAHA :)
I'm not an engineer or engineering student. I don't really care for cycling. But being from Chicago, I appreciate good swearing and pointing out manufacturing failures.
"If I could get a wife that was 27% more compliant I would be so happy!" Priceless!!! 😂
Lost on most people
Lucky Mrs Hambini is not interested in social media..... Shame really, it could be interesting.
yeah this one got me, hahaha
The longer you are married, the less compliant they are.
IF you could have wimmen to make frames, the frames would be uncompliant. Would that work??? Rgr
Another great video. Am not an engineer so I love the detail. And can tell when I’m talking to a bike tech now if they know their stuff or not. Like the solutions you come up with even more
I can do 350w. How much time will I save riding a trek? I can sustain this power for a full minute.
Could probably win a stage on the Tour de France I reckon
At least enough to win the giro
You'll lose time after you blow up after the first minute.
69s over 420km
@@Cryous 2 stages on the Tour
When I was a young apprentice, many moons ago, one of the old timers always used to say "let your eye be your guide". Well when my eye saw that bottom bracket it swivelled 90 degrees towards my other eye and said "what the fucking fuck is THAT?". 😂
When I was taking my framebuilding course, the instructor described how the Colnago people would jump on the frame from a chair to straighten them. “Coldsetting” was the euphemism for “Bending”.
I certainly hope you are taking the piss! I fear you are not
Or also called commercially acceptable...
Means dished up rubbish ready for sale..
I seen the title and just about cried. Last episode was my Quartz Rikon R power meter. This episode is the Emonda. 2 for 2 - shit... I was so very happy to see it was the ALR version (sorry if you have the ALR version). Hambini is way more enjoyable when it's not your pride and joy being roasted, keep them coming, we need to hear it.
Shimano are in the grips of the bean counters; slowly dropping the quality in search of money
Been watching a lot of trek videos recently and this one popped up in my feed. THIS WAS GREAT!!! Give em hell Hambini!! lol
I bought a Time Scylon after your previous video lol. Helps that it was insanely discounted, but shock horror it has a Campy groupset.
Another jewel to watch. Like the thorough analysis and showing the actual action fixing it (or salvaging what is possible).
As some one who welds, any time you blow a hole when welding means you scrap the project
depends what your making
Always is a good day when there is a new Hambini's video!
one time i was replacing a carbon brush in a motor, tried to weld it except that the surface where you put it on was alluminum(i didnt know at that time); i acidentally reinvented fireworks and trashed the motor
Love your stuff man! Zero bull shit and roasting people who deserve it
I empathise with you that the engineering you are dealing with is so bad you would never expect it and hence the harsh language to describe it. Perhaps a more objective scale for ranking the different manufacturers would work better. One thing that makes your videos so good is how you measure, compare and quantify the issues you find against the standards. It makes it clear for the non-engineering people the number, type and severity of problems that can’t easily be found just by looking at the product.
I don't know whether I watch you for the personality or the engineering...Eitherway, I love your videos Hambini!
*watches video about Trek getting roasted*
*Cool story*
*goes to Trek bike shop to buy new 2021 Emonda*
Had a Trek, crashed a Trek, couldn’t fix a Trek, who the F designs a mountain bike with a welded rear mech hanger! Bye Felicia! Another brilliant video. Glad to hear someone else still looks up to Lance. “The Look”! One of my favorite clips ever!
Once the BB shell ID has been galled up by the interference fit, it’s not possible to get reliable measurements of the original dimensions. We really don’t know what went wrong with this frame.
the section through the middle is not galled and that is bent.
'Galling' won't REDUCE the dimension of the hole, will it fella?
greg taylor: yes, because galling is cold-welding across the interface, it definitely can reduce the diameter. It’s a buildup of material from the bearing housing they were trying to push in. Also, galling roughens the surface, which would also reduce the ID and make it more irregular.
Hambini: not having seen trek’s print, I would guess the center of the BB shell is not a specified or critical surface. The only areas that matter is ~10mm in from each end. Trek is not expecting someone to try and shove an interference fit tube all the way through from one side. The BB they designed it for is pressed in from EACH side of the BB.
I’m not arguing the frame tolerances were good, they probably weren’t (for the weld distortion reasons you correctly identify in the video). However, it’s not reasonable to interference fit bare & dry aluminum over a ~70mm length and not expect galling; the galling threshold stress for self-mated aluminum is quite low (especially wrought aluminum grades). For this to work, the bearing housing should be steel, the frame tube heated to expand it, and/or the interface well lubricated (likely impossible over that distance).
@@GHinWI your point about inserting a Hambioni BB is valid. However, Trek should ensure the two machined ends of the BB lined up and the visual check at the beginning clearly shows that the two ends of the BB shell were significantly misaligned. Anything that you can see visually so easily should have been straight in the scrap bin. Personally I am shocked that Trek allow welding repairs as major as the one we saw. Perhaps this frame WAS out of the scrap bin...
There are two reasons I watch these videos : the good reviews and HELLOO HAMBINI FANS
Is there more to this story? I'm curious about what might have happened to this frame before it got to Hambini. If the bottom bracket was this far out of spec from the factory, how did they make it work well enough to sell it? What did it take to get it apart?
I wonder how many Hambini videos will be needed for bicycle brands to stop selling their defective units? That practice has to end!!! Thank you Hambini for exposing them
Can you do some videos on chinese carbon frames? That would be very interesting!
Got the exact same frame, luckily without issue. However agree an absolute shocker, keep up the fooken good work 💪
"when it cools it shrinks"....got it, that explains a lot.
Thanks.
What shrinks? The frame, the scrotum?
Nonsense
Whenever there is mass production involved,there will be mistakes like this! Trek is no exception! I'm sure his favorite toys,Look and Time have plenty of screwups,but he's not gonna mention that!
Give me quality aluminum frame over a ridiculously light and super fragile, any time!
Steel, Titanium,and aluminum (for the people on the budget, like me) any time!
Greetings from Croatia 😊
It would be a lot easier if you put the frame in a brace/vise/stand and used two hands on the remover.
Aluminium siphoning off heat almost faster than you can add it when you are welding it, is what the problem of its heat conductivity comes down to, as Hambini in the above vid explained. For that reason, I wonder if it could be beneficial to pre-heat the zone in the middle of which you'd want to weld (with a gas burner /blow torch), even though it would require a stricter order of work (and positioning your parts on their relative position, and fixating them there, in advance), as you can't touch them and change their relative position once you have them all scalding hot.. Heating that whole zone in the middle of where you want to go weld your parts together, would make you LOSE so much LESS heat when you are ACTUALLY DOING the welding, that a lot less heat energy would be sucked away from that narrow area that's your work zone (at) the very moment you actually are welding as well, which in turns means you have to be much less elaborate with that welding (activity) itself. It might help a lot in avoiding getting a burn-through. I do feel there is something like a contradiction in ideas (and actual approaches) like this, it is much more about being very precise I recon. Anyway.. also, pre-heating would cause all those pieces of tube and parts to be hot in a much more equal manner, so theoretically you might end up with much less risk of distortion once you are done and your work has cooled. Just wondering.
Trek has a lot of issues, as other companies, but their warranty is exceptional.
So you should only buy a trek bike if youre from the us?
carl bot i own three and I, Canadian.
So this video hit close to home as I have a Trek Domane ALR. I gotta say I love the way the bike rides and feels but the BB game me problems (of course!). It wouldn’t stop making a clicking sound on the drive side under load. This was before I knew of Hambini so I bought a BB Infinite. It worked fine, no clicking in almost a year. Oh, the crank is a SRAM GXP 🤣 so yeah, I had quite the noise-making ammo in that BB shell, but thankfully the crank has given me no issues.
Thanks, Hambini. I always learn something with every video but even more so with this one.
Well have a Trek tandem road across wisconsin the seat clamp failed would not stay up, road without a seat, Had a first generation aluminum trek fork broke, had a trek Madone and it was the bb, I have new trek that I can not ride and had so many defects that I wanted months before they would let me get the bike, bad paint job, and various other problems I live in Wisconsin 29 miles from the Trek company and want to support Trek but!
Why do you keep buying their bikes? Lol
I admire your patience.. or do I?? Rgr
@@borano2031 The tandem note wife damaged shoulder so we had to get a bike trip for a 500-mile ride. It was great fun and her seat post worked. The fork problem well used to fall and just get up go to ER and bike agian..to old now traded that frame for a steel frame and fork. etc. I had fun until the expensive domane slr that was a trek project one trek store freak show. I road it and it just kept breaking in all directions clicking sounds etc... I keep it under a dark cover in the basement... I spent last summer at trek store waiting where they kept fixing the project one was done almost to cold to ride. I road it twenty miles short ride the brake cables were reversed clicking noise they said it was fine drove to another trek store they fixed it and I was so sore from the twenty mile ride... I ride a surly with a Rohloff hub fits fine but that trek is like a pain machine fit is all wrong. trek ...stack reach etc but does not fit well and is pain machine Patience is age-based old age eliminates contacts to keep you safe My time is short for long rides and fun on my bike. Patience no. I have no time for patience.
Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice ...............................
This is my new favourite channel on YT. Thank you sir 😂
Yeah but Hambini, 28mm tyres at 10 psi are faster! 😁
This language thing, I don't think people are complaining, just worrying, I totally agree with Jamison Roberts comment a few hours ago. You are clearly an intuitive and a let's say it, brilliant engineer, aerospace background, a real talent there on top, outstanding communication and explanations. I love your channel and subscribe. I use the same language. The worry is that doing it publicly and calling people names like that, slagging off multinational companies, rightly or wrongly, leaves you open to some mean litigation. My point is, what you show is so powerful, it actually downgrades the message. We want you on here. We NEED you on here. I hope you don't end up getting shut down, or slowed down, because of something that isn't necessary. It's a plea, not a complaint, thanks for your site, no question you will drive improvements for all of us.
I got myself a lawyer to vet my videos before uploading!
I would assume that it took a similar amount of force to get the shell into the BB, why the hell would anyone with any mechanical where-with-all continue to apply that level of force?!?!?
Owned an Emonda (the SLR, so not cheap) for 6 months before getting shot of it. Never have I been so underwhelmed by a bike. The drive-side bearing was a rattling good fit and just fell out, it felt like it was made of overcooked spaghetti, and the handling was as numb as the original Audi TT.
You know someone's screwing around when they're using adjustable wrenches for normal-sized nuts.
These get better and better 😂. Keep it up Chief!
I've got the Purple Flip version of this.. nice ride, no issues with it so likely the owner of this bike was just unlucky. Even Look make the odd shit frame, just that their shit frames never slip through their QC checks
There is a saying, all factory produce the same, the difference is the QC that takes out the bad products
I do too. The purple flip color is on newer versions. His bike has external cable routing so it's at least four years old. That black-on-black scheme was on the ALR 4 *edit: also on the 2017 ALR 6* or I guess the standalone frame.
Hambini the cycle industry must be pissed at you ,a real eye opener is this channel.
Finally someone who calls it by its proper name, a shifter! Fed up of hearing "adjustable wrench" by people who aren't on the tools
In North America it’s typically called (incorrectly) a Crescent wrench. A mate from Glasgow called it a movie!🏴
as a graduate mechanical engineer, yes, engineering language is like this. we get held accountable for pretty much everything (except finance probably). everyone comes to you if there's a problem and you're assumed to know the answer or find the answer out, everyone else seems to play dumb. so it's no wonder we get pissed at everything since we can't catch a break. I'm in oil and gas so obviously different sectors will differ slightly.
Edit: waiting for the "OnLy sHiT eNgiNeErS sAy ThAt" comments
Oh snap here we go! I was the biggest Trek fanboi until they made the emonda disc only this year xD
Thanks for the video. I just bought a Trek MTB then I saw this. Just FYI we had a project that involved welding aluminum piping for fuel and our best welders were failing a big % of weld tests. Turned out a genius Engineer at the USAF decided a spec for rocked fuel pipe welding was a great idea. Finally got to 100% pass for 3 welders using a pre-heating process.
As much as I agree with most of your content, you'll rip my thiccc 28c tyres out of my cold dead non carpal tunnel fingers. I'll gladly sacrifice a few watts for way better comfort over shite roads as I can probably put down more watts when not doing my best impression of curb hopping v8 supercar :D
if that was true than the pros would be using 28
Tommy T Most pro roads are smooth enough to use 25s.
@@MaplePanda04 he he really, what you think the organisers are choosing smooth roads, come on man and btw even 25 is to wide at least for me; perhaps when I am 60 I will think different
Tommy T 25 is very racey nowadays, with 28 being normal and 32 being comfortable.
Tommy T plenty of pros ride 28s
Suddenly it makes sense why my Trek mtb bb started creaking after 2 short rides.
This channel is ace. Dude doesn’t sound very French though. 🤯
Hambini is God.
The dog's bollocks indeed.
Yes, A GOD!
A five-year-old God...
After watching a few of these does make me wonder if there are any good frames out there? Are there any good manufacturers to go for?
I need a "by hambini aged 5!" It's your trade mark!
My emonda sl6 in again (3in 2 years)-for new bottom bracket..... trek shop says normal. Now have to get larger bearings for tighter fit...my ultegra 8000 crank arms broken.....they delaminated in the hollow arms. Wtf! I just want a reliable bike. What is best Carbon frame, bottom bracket , and group set ?
I got a Trek Checkpoint frameset and the bb has the same kind of problem as this... Shame on Trek :P
I also have a checkpoint and the bb creaks like crazy. Sorry I bought it.
First thing I did on my checkpoint was a fix from Mr H. No creaking so far
@@ericweaver3057 My checkpoint was creaking a lot turned out to be the stranglehold dropout that needed to be cleaned and lubed, I'd check that before dealing with the BB.
@@MAGAIVER Thanks I will do that
@@MAGAIVER I checked the stranglehold dropout and although it was finger tight, it was easily tightened by a wrench. I tightened nuts to spec and took the bike for a quick ride around the neighborhood. No more creaks; Sir I owe you a beer. Thank you.
Bought aluminum frame from Taiwan relevantly cheap and I was amazed quality of welds paint and yes BB shell. Got me suspected that lot of name brands use same factories same manufacturers just put their label and charge you 10x more.Its been over 5yrs ZERO issues with the frame.
The Trek frame was due for the reject bin. So much for QA.
@RollinRat if they can’t or don’t want to maintain a proper QA, then they have to accept a higher reject ratio for scrap it’s as simple as that.
Otherwise more warranty claims = greater and greater customer dissatisfaction = brand destruction.
Resurrecting a thread about a year later...
What are your thoughts on Decathlon Aluminium frame? Say...Triban RC 500/520? Thanks in advance.
Yes, you have spelt “FIT” correctly 😁
That's why I continue to use Treks for more than 30 years: any issues, clain for warranty and, VOILAAA! Brand new frame. Simply as that. Here in Brazil Trek supports perfectly their costumers, no matter the age of the frame.
But this kind of problems are realy a p**** in the a****.
so intense! :)
This is a friggin great video. I just found your tosser channel, I don't know how but I am now a subscriber. I am in construction and I was in the Navy AND I find your language offensive. Keep up the good work!
So I take it your next purchase of a Trek with SRAM groupset and nice wide tyres is on hold? 🤔😅
From what I understand from shops around here, distributors have no stock at all of Shimano stuff-the whole supply chain is a mess right now.
Dang, I’ve been saving up to get an Emonda. Now I think I’ll go elsewhere
The good news is that I know as a Trek dealer, that if I ran into a problem like this, one call to Trek would have a new frame headed our way under their lifetime warranty. No company makes perfect products, but rather it's how they handle things when there are problems. Trek has been really good to us for 20 years.
@@BikeWise1 i ended up buying the emonda and I love it
What a classic treatise, from so many angles! Trek has def gone downhill since the Made in the USA U.S. Postal Lance frames. I rode a 5200 OCLV in the early nineties that actually was a pretty decent frame. As I recall, the tubing was male, and joined into slightly larger inner diameter female carbon "lugs", which resulted in a virtually "seamless" joint, with both having the same outer diameter.....It's great watching an objective engineering review vs. Trek marketing b.s.....Speaking of Lance, interesting how every company distanced themselves from (ditched) him, even though he made Trek and Shimano gazillionaires......guess there always has to be a fall guy.......and yes, Jacinda is hot, save for her horrific politics. Guess that makes her a great candidate for a good h.f. God, did I really say that? Can't even call that a term of endearment!