Why thank you! After a while, these things do start presenting themselves. But I didn’t notice the curve in that wall until I was editing it, to be honest!
Fantastic location, and beautifully captured! I would always naturally want to err on the side of a stone circle despite the inconvenient presence of facts. It does raise an interesting question though - why are there so few options for shapes when it comes to a collection of standing stones? They can only be circles or avenues and if they don't adhere to one of those formations then they're nothing at all, it seems... Why not a double helix formation here and there? Thank you very much for that Tweedy Pubs plug at the end - it must have been a bit sublime to the ridiculous to be watching me go on about Farrow & Ball paint in the midst of that ancient site!
That is indeed the question - why circles? Throw in all those cup and ring marks and it’s like they were obsessed! I’ve been reading up on the subject and nobody really has a clue! Beyond there being a big yellow circle in the sky. Perhaps it really was as simple as that?! Watching Tweedy Pubs at a prehistoric site was a very pleasant experience and I’d recommend it! However our Neolithic ancestors envisaged the future, I bet they didn’t foresee that!
Thanks James. It is a mystery this one, but it does look like they decided to stick a circle on top of, and round this one. Of course, that might have happened a long time after the cairn was constructed.
This reminds me of Templewood then. A circle within a low cairn. Or a cairn around a circle? A pause in the action or a re-think? It would be nice if they had left an instruction manual.
Hi Darren, I am voting for a stone circle, but regardless, the path is magical. I like to imagine the previous travellers along there and would give anything to be an observer in a time machine. The quality of your productions is outstanding.
Thanks Ron! What a cracking spot this is. I can’t remember if I knew when I made this, but it’s a very rare concentric stone circle plus cairn in the centre. I love how the builders of that wall just put a kink in it to accommodate the remaining stones of the outer circle!
Another great installment, but one has to ask the Antiquarian, does one not use a Windsor Knot? (He says with probable inappropriate capitalisation). Others must be more observant than me regarding your pallor. But your telephone choices intrigued me. Is that an iPhone? I'm not sure if my lowly Android has such settings, but I'll try and find out. Do you find the GoPro better than just using your phone to record? Irregardless and off-topic, I know, but I really enjoyed this presentation as I do all of them. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks Chris and not a Windsor man, I’m afraid! I probably should be! I use a range of “gadget” cameras. The bulk of this video was shot on the DJI Pocket 2. Some of the B-roll was on my iPhone in the DJI Osmo 6 gimbal. Aerial was the HoverAir X1 and rainy footage from previous day was on the GoPro. The gimbal and Pocket 2 both use the same app, and that provides the special features. I tend to only use the GoPro for adverse weather. But I switch between them all to get the shots I like. The DJI Osmo 6 gimbal does work with Samsung, but I understand some of the features aren’t there. I hope that helps and is useful! Thanks for watching. Much appreciated.
@@chrisbentleywalkingandrambling No worries, I think my approach is over complicated on account of the look and feel I’m going for. A smartphone with a plug in mic or a GoPro is fine for most RUclipsrs, I’d say. It’s like tripods. A lot of my content is filmed on a tripod - especially so I can get tracking shots of me walking - but you don’t really need all that to film a walk, for instance.
@WC21UKProductionsLtd I bought a new fangled gizmo gimbal for my phone about a year ago. I didn't read the small print. My Samsung Zfold3 is too heavy for it, sadly. So my stand and selfie stick is just that, a selfie stick. Who knew the old uncomplicated ways would win out. 🤔😂. Tried a plug-in mic. It used its own access to the camera on the app and bypassed video stabilisation. It's all Pete Tong. More money wasted. Never mind. Just give me a rotary telephone and a box brownie and I'll be fine. 😂
Ha ha. I discovered your channel thanks to John, aka Tweedy Outdoors and Tweedy Pubs. Fabulous that you should be watching his video at the end. As for the stone circle vote, I demand a recount. I’m not sure if my vote for Yes registered! 🥺😡 Thank you for an excellent, informative and entertaining video. 👏👏👍😀
Great and welcome aboard. Thanks to Tweedy too! Glad you enjoyed the video. I enjoyed watching Tweedy Pubs there! And I think it was a concentric stone circle, by the way!
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd Thank you for your welcome. I will delve into your back catalog as I await your next video. And yes, I agree it does have all the hallmarks of a concentric stone circle.
Wonderful track, just up my street so to speak. Didn’t know about this track and possible cairn circle, but then that part of the Lakes is not my usual stomping ground. Some Bronze Age cairns did include large stones so maybe it was a circle 🤔
Thank you and right up my street too. The less well known and I’m there! I became more convinced this was a concentric stone circle in the editing process: that curve in the wall to incorporate the 3 stones was pretty telling, I’d say.
Thank you, an interesting conundrum beautifully posed. I would go with stone circles. Loved the Tweedy Pubs but outdoors section at the end. I think Hedley and Sam would disagree with you about the weather down here following their early morning at Avebury. Thank you again and I am pleased that the pallor was an artefact and that you are in ruddy good health.
Hi Darren, Great interactive quiz. Amazing that you should get enough votes to get a 49% to 51% divide in such a short time. I must confess that maybe I swung the votes towards yes as I pressed the interactive button several times, the problem was it kept stopping the video for some reason. I normally associate cairns with a construction of many stones. But I think there are probably many types. This one looked like a trig point. You seemed comfortable to sit amongst them so I'm guessing there were no traces of blood on top of it ..... or at least as far as you noticed. Honestly can't think of a better place to watch Tweedy discussing pubs!! Fantastic scenery. I had a good look on Google maps and was able to locate the area from the Kirkstone Pass but the resolution really isn't good enough, fun few minutes trying to locate the area though. Is it a circle? I think so, mainly because they built the dry stone wall around it. You wouldn't bring in enormous boulders, they were already there. The cairn seemed to be offset from the centre? As an aside I used to live near to where Conan Doyle wrote his first Sherlock Holmes novel in Southsea. He was a doctor practising in the area and also played in goal for one of the teams that would later form Portsmouth Football Club, he played under the pseudonym of Arthur Smith!! Have a great Sunday, cold and wet down here too, the sun is obviously wherever Tweedy leaves his bottle of wine!!
Cheers David and sorry about the tech issues - we’ll get this sorted! Yes, I think it probably was a concentric stone circle. As you say, why does that later wall curve - it must have been to incorporate the stones that were already there. It fascinates me that Sir Arthur believed in fairies! Thanks for watching and engaging, as ever. I like that you do post video research, by the way!
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd I believe Conan Doyle turned to spiritualism after loosing his son in WWI. Stories of spiritualism appear the compendium of Professor Challenger novels, the most famous of which being The Lost World and if that story's true then ...... I forgot to comment but was getting the colour into your face anything to do with all those buttons your pressed or did it have something to do with that hip flask of whisky that you must have surely taken with you!!.......
@@davidberlanny3308 I probably need a bigger hip flask - then I’d never appear pasty again! Yes, I think that is the reason Sir Arthur Conan Doyle turned to spiritualism, but how he could fall for those fake fairy photos, I’ll never know!
@@WC21UKProductionsLtdI wasn't sure of the definition of a cairn and spent a bit of time reading the Wikipedia entry which even includes pyramids!! Anyway the most useful entry was a link to the Megalithic Portal where with a bit of map work this one came up described as Hird Wood or Lower Kingate. A fascinating site which I'm sure you will know of, first time for me. The problem is I can't find the portal for way out and I'm worried about running into those flyings saucers that plagued you in the time tunnel .....
Yes, the Megalithic Portal is often the only place you’ll find anything on this sort of obscure site. I’ve met a couple of contributors to it whilst out filming!
There are some outliers with barrows but they tend to be with long barrows, in my experience. But even if it is just a barrow it would very likely been a focus for ritual. The bokeh on the DJI pocket looked really nice.
Cheers - it’s been interesting reading all the different opinions in the comments. I enjoyed making this one with just a Victorian and a couple of twentieth century commentaries to go on. Thanks for the feedback on the bokeh - just taken delivery of my Pocket 3 and looking forward to getting to grips with it.
Brilliant video, one thing that always amazes me is how those dry stone walls go straight up the steepest slopes imaginable. I refer to the one in the background. I'm afraid I don't know the answer to the question but I did vote no 😊
Thank you! A really interesting site and the weather was great. For once! I do appreciate the feedback on the outfit too. If only people were so nice about it in real life, as they are on RUclips!
To my Devon eye, I'd say no to the circle, but then I wonder how different in style are stone circles, throughout the country. No doubt due to local rocks and terrain, there may be. Tain't the fairies you have to worry about, its the pixies, them little buggers will lead you a merry dance.
Cheers Keith. I think there are differences across the country. I’m leaning towards a later structure added to the existing burial mound. Noted re pixies for future reference!
Much more likely that its just an eroded burial cairn entrance that has had a few stones moved into the wall. They also had 'false' entrances that were just a facade with no passage behind. The short concave curve to the wall was interesting though, that's more of a mystery than the stones to me. There's not an old tree trunk on the inside of it is there ?
I didn't notice one, but will check if I go back. Since filming this I've learnt that Adam Morgan Ibbotson has it as that rarest of things, a concentric stone circle, with burial cairn. I think I might have speculated that in the video? The curve in that wall was the best thing and I only noticed it when I watched the footage back. I'm also pretty sure there are some ancient stones lining that trackway in places too.
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd I had a look at a few of the Ibbotson vlogs. Mmmm ??? Criticised a few 'old boys club' big names for 'over interpretation' (sort of fair enough) and then dropped a few questionable definitives in himself. The plague vlog hardly touched the plague issue, he just wanted to talk about northern ring cairns. He's also dodged a few questions by 'informed' commentors, but acknowledged the Joe Public appreciation. As we say in Scotland 'A Bit of a Guddle', which happens when people are scrabbling for RUclips traction; what's the marketing strategy or as another history RUclipsr put it 'Playing the Game'. The more people that ask questions about our past the better but I'm going to give the channel some time to be less 'needy' before I subscribe. The effort is there, but opinion needs to be quickly backed up by quoting the research - its 'the old boys club fault' doesn't wash for me. We all know that only rescue archeology is funded these days, so unless a site is threatened Archaeo Depts just haven't got the cash for investigation. I presume the funding for the Plague research came from our latest near miss with extinction, not general interest in the quest to gain knowledge. Sorry for long reply ... I'll try to send next reply by telegraph 😉
Given that the underlying rock seems to be quite near the surface, a raised cairn or mound would have been the normal approach to burial or marker sites. Built from the surrounding turf it may well have been encircled by those round finished stones in the wall and the fact that the track is still used today by modern travellers indicates that the track is well used and could be ancient. For me, it could be a marker site to give travellers an indication of where they are and that they are actually on the right track, there were so many of these markers that many of them had to be quite elaborate to distinguish one from another, having a circle may well have more religious tones as some of these track markers also doubled as pagan shrines and/or include a pagan sacred stone (the large one) and sometimes near a healing well etc. They didn't have road signs in ancient times so needed way markers to both know where they were and to tell others how to get somewhere. My gut tells me that since there is an indication of a surface quarry, this cairn served as a meeting place and it looks like there is a lot of water ways there too which is always a good place for pagans to place a shrine as well, maybe there was a burial or two there when the cairn was constructed and been added to at later dates, but given the circumference of the circle it was probably just the one. The mound may well have adorned a tree/stone/carving/antler sculpture on top to give the place its name and Kingate probably isn't the obvious Kin Gate, it may originally have been Gingaite or similar but phonetically changed over the millennia. Its all hypotheses of course but that's the fun element and letting your imagination go riot.
That’s an excellent and evocative analysis of the site - thank you very much. The more time I spent there, the more convinced I became that the routeway was probably contemporary with the cairn, so I like the idea of it being a marker. In the Bronze Age, this area was much more heavily wooded, so it makes sense for it to be a good directional point. I’m also sure it had ritualistic significance too. I do wonder if the stones were added over time - building on the existing cairn. Thanks again. I enjoyed reading your views and it’s rewarding when the videos secure this sort of engagement.
Hi Darren, you were literally standing on the answer. A good Antiquarian would have dug up the stones to see what was at the bottom of them. This would tell you if the stones have been placed intentionally by humans and could give clues to the probable date they were placed there. Entertaining and certainly thought provoking digital archeological journalism. You certainly are up there with Doctor Alice, big Dan and little Helen. And your dress standards are much better than Tony aka Broderick.
Thanks Andrew. The cairn has never been excavated, so the truth was absolutely under my feet. I’m just waiting for my iPhone 15 to arrive - it’s probably got ground penetrating radar on it!
@@JubbaheyChannel Stonehenge is the most scheduled monument and it has been regularly dug up for the last 2 thousand years. If dug up by University trained experts in archeology (not over zealous Antiquarians quacks) the “damage” could be minimised and archeologists would be able to seek to answer fundamental questions like is it a hoax or a genuine ancient site?
Absolutely. There will be no digging here, as they say. I actually prefer it when I visit sites that haven’t been excavated. Sometimes it’s devastating to see how the Victorians left our ancient monuments.
Hi Andrew - I know you weren’t suggesting I should have had a go at digging it myself. I actually like it when the sites I visit retain their mystery. The way the Victorian “quacks” left some is heartbreaking! But of course, the way it’s done nowadays is not like that. I wonder how many burials they’d find in this one, and whether there were later English additions?
No clue. Could be a ruined stone circle. Could be some other ruined ancient monument. Some of the stones might have been moved into the vaguely circular arrangement by whatever sheep farmer built the wall. Some of them might have been moved out of the vaguely circular arrangement by some even less considerate sheep farmer. Could also be the remnants of the Fae Folk's moonlit Bacchanals. Obviously.
I loved looking into this site. Beautifully unknown! I'm pretty confident there was a circle round that barrow. The three stones in the wall were large - whoever built that wall made it curve to incorporate them, as opposed to all the effort of moving them. The fallen stones to the north of it are in line for a circle too. The thing that really thrilled me about it was the track leading down the side of the valley to it - I suspect that's a prehistoric route! Definitely a good place for believers in fairy folk too!
Is that wire fence for deer? I would think the walls would keep in sheep, and something has been eating there. Deer, sheep. some sort of marmot? After 6,000 years of sheep I would think you people would have learned by now how high to build to keep in sheep. Maybe tree plantings behind? They are nice dry stone walls.
It does bend to incorporate them and I only noticed that when I was editing the footage! That's why it's just a caption. It does suggest they were there before the wall, I think. Thanks for watching.
You deserve instant stardom and the gratitude of the nation (quite seriously, if anyone should be so flippant to think it insincere!) @@WC21UKProductionsLtd
You read the landscape far better than I do. Stunning location, and good to hear he dulcet tones of Sir Tweedy at the end there.
Why thank you! After a while, these things do start presenting themselves. But I didn’t notice the curve in that wall until I was editing it, to be honest!
Fantastic location, and beautifully captured! I would always naturally want to err on the side of a stone circle despite the inconvenient presence of facts. It does raise an interesting question though - why are there so few options for shapes when it comes to a collection of standing stones? They can only be circles or avenues and if they don't adhere to one of those formations then they're nothing at all, it seems... Why not a double helix formation here and there?
Thank you very much for that Tweedy Pubs plug at the end - it must have been a bit sublime to the ridiculous to be watching me go on about Farrow & Ball paint in the midst of that ancient site!
That is indeed the question - why circles? Throw in all those cup and ring marks and it’s like they were obsessed! I’ve been reading up on the subject and nobody really has a clue! Beyond there being a big yellow circle in the sky. Perhaps it really was as simple as that?!
Watching Tweedy Pubs at a prehistoric site was a very pleasant experience and I’d recommend it! However our Neolithic ancestors envisaged the future, I bet they didn’t foresee that!
Stunning scenery, good narrative, and you appear in robust good health🎉
Thank you! No filters necessary, then!
I’m glad I went back and filmed this on a good day. Beautiful location and I’m pleased that came across.
My understanding is that cairns are built after circles, but things go off-script up north, especially when you get up to Scotland. I'm at a loss.
Thanks James. It is a mystery this one, but it does look like they decided to stick a circle on top of, and round this one. Of course, that might have happened a long time after the cairn was constructed.
This reminds me of Templewood then. A circle within a low cairn. Or a cairn around a circle? A pause in the action or a re-think? It would be nice if they had left an instruction manual.
Hi Darren, I am voting for a stone circle, but regardless, the path is magical. I like to imagine the previous travellers along there and would give anything to be an observer in a time machine. The quality of your productions is outstanding.
Thanks Ron! What a cracking spot this is. I can’t remember if I knew when I made this, but it’s a very rare concentric stone circle plus cairn in the centre. I love how the builders of that wall just put a kink in it to accommodate the remaining stones of the outer circle!
Another great installment, but one has to ask the Antiquarian, does one not use a Windsor Knot? (He says with probable inappropriate capitalisation). Others must be more observant than me regarding your pallor. But your telephone choices intrigued me. Is that an iPhone? I'm not sure if my lowly Android has such settings, but I'll try and find out. Do you find the GoPro better than just using your phone to record? Irregardless and off-topic, I know, but I really enjoyed this presentation as I do all of them. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks Chris and not a Windsor man, I’m afraid! I probably should be!
I use a range of “gadget” cameras. The bulk of this video was shot on the DJI Pocket 2. Some of the B-roll was on my iPhone in the DJI Osmo 6 gimbal. Aerial was the HoverAir X1 and rainy footage from previous day was on the GoPro.
The gimbal and Pocket 2 both use the same app, and that provides the special features.
I tend to only use the GoPro for adverse weather. But I switch between them all to get the shots I like. The DJI Osmo 6 gimbal does work with Samsung, but I understand some of the features aren’t there.
I hope that helps and is useful!
Thanks for watching. Much appreciated.
@WC21UKProductionsLtd appreciate the comprehensive answer. Thanks again.
@@chrisbentleywalkingandrambling No worries, I think my approach is over complicated on account of the look and feel I’m going for. A smartphone with a plug in mic or a GoPro is fine for most RUclipsrs, I’d say.
It’s like tripods. A lot of my content is filmed on a tripod - especially so I can get tracking shots of me walking - but you don’t really need all that to film a walk, for instance.
@WC21UKProductionsLtd I bought a new fangled gizmo gimbal for my phone about a year ago. I didn't read the small print. My Samsung Zfold3 is too heavy for it, sadly. So my stand and selfie stick is just that, a selfie stick. Who knew the old uncomplicated ways would win out. 🤔😂. Tried a plug-in mic. It used its own access to the camera on the app and bypassed video stabilisation. It's all Pete Tong. More money wasted. Never mind. Just give me a rotary telephone and a box brownie and I'll be fine. 😂
Ha ha. I discovered your channel thanks to John, aka Tweedy Outdoors and Tweedy Pubs. Fabulous that you should be watching his video at the end.
As for the stone circle vote, I demand a recount. I’m not sure if my vote for Yes registered! 🥺😡
Thank you for an excellent, informative and entertaining video. 👏👏👍😀
Great and welcome aboard. Thanks to Tweedy too! Glad you enjoyed the video.
I enjoyed watching Tweedy Pubs there! And I think it was a concentric stone circle, by the way!
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd Thank you for your welcome. I will delve into your back catalog as I await your next video.
And yes, I agree it does have all the hallmarks of a concentric stone circle.
hi again Darren , another cool interesting video, it very well could be a stone circle , very well done and thank you as always 😊
Cheers Davie! I’m glad I went back on a better day - I don’t think I could have done it justice in the rain!
Wonderful track, just up my street so to speak. Didn’t know about this track and possible cairn circle, but then that part of the Lakes is not my usual stomping ground. Some Bronze Age cairns did include large stones so maybe it was a circle 🤔
Thank you and right up my street too. The less well known and I’m there! I became more convinced this was a concentric stone circle in the editing process: that curve in the wall to incorporate the 3 stones was pretty telling, I’d say.
I must go and have a look and add it to all my other pictures of stones 🤣
I totally understand that compulsion!
Thank you, an interesting conundrum beautifully posed. I would go with stone circles. Loved the Tweedy Pubs but outdoors section at the end. I think Hedley and Sam would disagree with you about the weather down here following their early morning at Avebury. Thank you again and I am pleased that the pallor was an artefact and that you are in ruddy good health.
Thanks Chris - glad you enjoyed the video! It has subsequently transpired that this was filmed on the one good day, weatherwise!
Hi Darren, Great interactive quiz.
Amazing that you should get enough votes to get a 49% to 51% divide in such a short time. I must confess that maybe I swung the votes towards yes as I pressed the interactive button several times, the problem was it kept stopping the video for some reason.
I normally associate cairns with a construction of many stones. But I think there are probably many types. This one looked like a trig point. You seemed comfortable to sit amongst them so I'm guessing there were no traces of blood on top of it ..... or at least as far as you noticed. Honestly can't think of a better place to watch Tweedy discussing pubs!! Fantastic scenery.
I had a good look on Google maps and was able to locate the area from the Kirkstone Pass but the resolution really isn't good enough, fun few minutes trying to locate the area though.
Is it a circle? I think so, mainly because they built the dry stone wall around it. You wouldn't bring in enormous boulders, they were already there. The cairn seemed to be offset from the centre?
As an aside I used to live near to where Conan Doyle wrote his first Sherlock Holmes novel in Southsea. He was a doctor practising in the area and also played in goal for one of the teams that would later form Portsmouth Football Club, he played under the pseudonym of Arthur Smith!!
Have a great Sunday, cold and wet down here too, the sun is obviously wherever Tweedy leaves his bottle of wine!!
Cheers David and sorry about the tech issues - we’ll get this sorted!
Yes, I think it probably was a concentric stone circle. As you say, why does that later wall curve - it must have been to incorporate the stones that were already there.
It fascinates me that Sir Arthur believed in fairies!
Thanks for watching and engaging, as ever. I like that you do post video research, by the way!
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd I believe Conan Doyle turned to spiritualism after loosing his son in WWI. Stories of spiritualism appear the compendium of Professor Challenger novels, the most famous of which being The Lost World and if that story's true then ......
I forgot to comment but was getting the colour into your face anything to do with all those buttons your pressed or did it have something to do with that hip flask of whisky that you must have surely taken with you!!.......
@@davidberlanny3308 I probably need a bigger hip flask - then I’d never appear pasty again!
Yes, I think that is the reason Sir Arthur Conan Doyle turned to spiritualism, but how he could fall for those fake fairy photos, I’ll never know!
@@WC21UKProductionsLtdI wasn't sure of the definition of a cairn and spent a bit of time reading the Wikipedia entry which even includes pyramids!! Anyway the most useful entry was a link to the Megalithic Portal where with a bit of map work this one came up described as Hird Wood or Lower Kingate.
A fascinating site which I'm sure you will know of, first time for me. The problem is I can't find the portal for way out and I'm worried about running into those flyings saucers that plagued you in the time tunnel .....
Yes, the Megalithic Portal is often the only place you’ll find anything on this sort of obscure site.
I’ve met a couple of contributors to it whilst out filming!
There are some outliers with barrows but they tend to be with long barrows, in my experience. But even if it is just a barrow it would very likely been a focus for ritual. The bokeh on the DJI pocket looked really nice.
Cheers - it’s been interesting reading all the different opinions in the comments. I enjoyed making this one with just a Victorian and a couple of twentieth century commentaries to go on.
Thanks for the feedback on the bokeh - just taken delivery of my Pocket 3 and looking forward to getting to grips with it.
Brilliant video, one thing that always amazes me is how those dry stone walls go straight up the steepest slopes imaginable. I refer to the one in the background. I'm afraid I don't know the answer to the question but I did vote no 😊
Thank you! Yes, how did they build those walls, and perhaps more intriguingly, why?! Was it really worth all that effort?!
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Loved this, really interesting - epic outfit!😊
Thank you! A really interesting site and the weather was great. For once! I do appreciate the feedback on the outfit too. If only people were so nice about it in real life, as they are on RUclips!
To my Devon eye, I'd say no to the circle, but then I wonder how different in style are stone circles, throughout the country. No doubt due to local rocks and terrain, there may be.
Tain't the fairies you have to worry about, its the pixies, them little buggers will lead you a merry dance.
Cheers Keith. I think there are differences across the country. I’m leaning towards a later structure added to the existing burial mound. Noted re pixies for future reference!
What those fields need are more rocks.
Yes! Bit scant on the rock front!
'Inappropriate Lockdown' Nice.
I admire your style. So much nicer to see than multicoloured Goretex. If you're going to do it then do it with style!
I couldn’t resist the ‘inappropriate lockdown’ comment - I’m glad someone has noticed it!
Thank you for your kind words - much appreciated.
Much more likely that its just an eroded burial cairn entrance that has had a few stones moved into the wall. They also had 'false' entrances that were just a facade with no passage behind.
The short concave curve to the wall was interesting though, that's more of a mystery than the stones to me. There's not an old tree trunk on the inside of it is there ?
I didn't notice one, but will check if I go back.
Since filming this I've learnt that Adam Morgan Ibbotson has it as that rarest of things, a concentric stone circle, with burial cairn. I think I might have speculated that in the video?
The curve in that wall was the best thing and I only noticed it when I watched the footage back. I'm also pretty sure there are some ancient stones lining that trackway in places too.
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd I had a look at a few of the Ibbotson vlogs.
Mmmm ??? Criticised a few 'old boys club' big names for 'over interpretation' (sort of fair enough) and then dropped a few questionable definitives in himself. The plague vlog hardly touched the plague issue, he just wanted to talk about northern ring cairns. He's also dodged a few questions by 'informed' commentors, but acknowledged the Joe Public appreciation.
As we say in Scotland 'A Bit of a Guddle', which happens when people are scrabbling for RUclips traction; what's the marketing strategy or as another history RUclipsr put it 'Playing the Game'.
The more people that ask questions about our past the better but I'm going to give the channel some time to be less 'needy' before I subscribe. The effort is there, but opinion needs to be quickly backed up by quoting the research - its 'the old boys club fault' doesn't wash for me. We all know that only rescue archeology is funded these days, so unless a site is threatened Archaeo Depts just haven't got the cash for investigation. I presume the funding for the Plague research came from our latest near miss with extinction, not general interest in the quest to gain knowledge.
Sorry for long reply ... I'll try to send next reply by telegraph 😉
Given that the underlying rock seems to be quite near the surface, a raised cairn or mound would have been the normal approach to burial or marker sites. Built from the surrounding turf it may well have been encircled by those round finished stones in the wall and the fact that the track is still used today by modern travellers indicates that the track is well used and could be ancient.
For me, it could be a marker site to give travellers an indication of where they are and that they are actually on the right track, there were so many of these markers that many of them had to be quite elaborate to distinguish one from another, having a circle may well have more religious tones as some of these track markers also doubled as pagan shrines and/or include a pagan sacred stone (the large one) and sometimes near a healing well etc.
They didn't have road signs in ancient times so needed way markers to both know where they were and to tell others how to get somewhere.
My gut tells me that since there is an indication of a surface quarry, this cairn served as a meeting place and it looks like there is a lot of water ways there too which is always a good place for pagans to place a shrine as well, maybe there was a burial or two there when the cairn was constructed and been added to at later dates, but given the circumference of the circle it was probably just the one.
The mound may well have adorned a tree/stone/carving/antler sculpture on top to give the place its name and Kingate probably isn't the obvious Kin Gate, it may originally have been Gingaite or similar but phonetically changed over the millennia.
Its all hypotheses of course but that's the fun element and letting your imagination go riot.
That’s an excellent and evocative analysis of the site - thank you very much.
The more time I spent there, the more convinced I became that the routeway was probably contemporary with the cairn, so I like the idea of it being a marker. In the Bronze Age, this area was much more heavily wooded, so it makes sense for it to be a good directional point.
I’m also sure it had ritualistic significance too. I do wonder if the stones were added over time - building on the existing cairn.
Thanks again. I enjoyed reading your views and it’s rewarding when the videos secure this sort of engagement.
Sometimes things that could be a coincidence are just that.
Indeed. And that is often the case, I think!
Hi Darren, you were literally standing on the answer. A good Antiquarian would have dug up the stones to see what was at the bottom of them. This would tell you if the stones have been placed intentionally by humans and could give clues to the probable date they were placed there. Entertaining and certainly thought provoking digital archeological journalism. You certainly are up there with Doctor Alice, big Dan and little Helen. And your dress standards are much better than Tony aka Broderick.
Thanks Andrew. The cairn has never been excavated, so the truth was absolutely under my feet. I’m just waiting for my iPhone 15 to arrive - it’s probably got ground penetrating radar on it!
Its a scheduled monument so sadly no digging please.
@@JubbaheyChannel Stonehenge is the most scheduled monument and it has been regularly dug up for the last 2 thousand years. If dug up by University trained experts in archeology (not over zealous Antiquarians quacks) the “damage” could be minimised and archeologists would be able to seek to answer fundamental questions like is it a hoax or a genuine ancient site?
Absolutely. There will be no digging here, as they say. I actually prefer it when I visit sites that haven’t been excavated. Sometimes it’s devastating to see how the Victorians left our ancient monuments.
Hi Andrew - I know you weren’t suggesting I should have had a go at digging it myself.
I actually like it when the sites I visit retain their mystery. The way the Victorian “quacks” left some is heartbreaking! But of course, the way it’s done nowadays is not like that. I wonder how many burials they’d find in this one, and whether there were later English additions?
Yes it is!
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No clue. Could be a ruined stone circle. Could be some other ruined ancient monument. Some of the stones might have been moved into the vaguely circular arrangement by whatever sheep farmer built the wall. Some of them might have been moved out of the vaguely circular arrangement by some even less considerate sheep farmer.
Could also be the remnants of the Fae Folk's moonlit Bacchanals. Obviously.
I loved looking into this site. Beautifully unknown!
I'm pretty confident there was a circle round that barrow. The three stones in the wall were large - whoever built that wall made it curve to incorporate them, as opposed to all the effort of moving them. The fallen stones to the north of it are in line for a circle too.
The thing that really thrilled me about it was the track leading down the side of the valley to it - I suspect that's a prehistoric route!
Definitely a good place for believers in fairy folk too!
Is that wire fence for deer? I would think the walls would keep in sheep, and something has been eating there. Deer, sheep. some sort of marmot? After 6,000 years of sheep I would think you people would have learned by now how high to build to keep in sheep. Maybe tree plantings behind? They are nice dry stone walls.
Yes I think there are deer there. Nice how the wall curves to accommodate the ancient stones. Cheers
It clearly is, WC - because the wall bends to incorprorate those stones - doesn't it?
It does bend to incorporate them and I only noticed that when I was editing the footage! That's why it's just a caption. It does suggest they were there before the wall, I think. Thanks for watching.
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Cheers - glad you enjoyed it
Good location, interesting subject, nice presenting.
AWFUL MUSIC.
Seriously, who chose that?
And so loud, at least get the sound levels correct.
Thanks and noted re music. Not sure why it's so loud for you - we do check that. The inappropriate music has been a bit of a running theme.