This Orient Diver Is Cheaper (And Better) Than The Kamasu!
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- Опубликовано: 2 авг 2024
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The Mako and Ray II are insane for the money. I wore a Ray II as my daily for over a year and the crystal never scratched (unlike with Seiko's I've had). Don't let the crystal put you off. Buy one of these and live happily ever after.
What are the differences between the Mako and Ray?
@@DavidLee-js8ew Same movement and case; the straps and bracelets, the bezel, dial and hands are different. In sum the differences are purely esthetic, so have a look at all of them and pick the one you like the look of most!
Great review. I have on my wrist now my beloved Orient Ray 2, and love it. I’m wearing it on the original bracelet. Before I had it on a bright orange nato, loved the contrast but the steel bracelet is more comfortable.
I have this watch and I love it. The lack of drilled lugs and a mineral crystal affect me not one little bit. I also have a Kamasu or two. And other Makos and Rays. And some Kannos as well. Orients are well represented in my rotation. This one is a real 'go to' watch and if you look around it can be found for less than $150 USD pretty readily.
Insane thing is that Orients are as accurate as any high end brand. Sleeper no more so I hope prices stay affordable.
Accurate an just almost same build quality as swiss watches ranging from 1,000 to 3,000. Some of orients designs are out of wack. But when they do it right, they do it RIGHT. They need to stop the open heart. Ruins some beautiful dials. That is the only gripe. An bigger crowns.
@@silverghost4206 Yeahman! Bigger crowns would be beautiful icing on the cake. I love my Mako III but me beiing 6ft 3in...I've big mans hands and that crown is awkward as f**k to manipulate. But...its a cool watch and I'm forgiving. Seiko red n black Monster = super crown!!..you could wind it wearing gloves...check it out!
Love my Mako II because the numbers give it a hybrid pilot/diver utility. I modded mine with sapphire and a 12 hour bezel to track a second time zone for flyin.
The original Orient Ray was my first dive watch I bought 6 years ago. It has the weird pusher at the 2 o’clock but I think it gives it a little more character. Definitely a great first dive watch that got me hooked into collecting watches.
How much for that
This orient was my first ever automatic! I replaced the bracelet with a distressed leather strap and I love how versatile it is!
I have the first generation Mako with the same dial- awesome, I love it! I've worn it while cycling around Madrid for years and it just works great. I bought it as a beater watch but I've grown so attached to it, I'd be really bummed if it broke and probably try to get it fixed just for sentimental reasons.
Kamasu for me. Sapphire crystal is a must, especially on a diver, IMO.
Why? I like that my Amphibia has acryl instead of sapphire. I am afraid that I might break the sapphire:)
I totally agree with you, sapphire crystal is a must. I own a burgundy Kamasu, and I'm planning on keeping it for a long time.
@@hiddenuser5466 Acrylic is better than mineral, you can polish it if it scratches. Mineral will scratch but you can't do anything about it.
I put sapphire on my Ray 2 and am very happy.
Agree the video ended when he said it doesn't have sapphire.
Great video, thanks, and I agree, the Mako II is a stunner, I picked up a used one with a domed crystal, and while I look at high end watches and gaze at the brand, with the Mako II, I gaze at the entire face, and ignore the brand, I love it. The Kamasu is a lot closer to a homage than I’d like, I’m not sure anything comes close to the Mako. Happy 2022.
I've got the Ray 2, basically the same watch with a different dial. Great watch, I'm wearing it right now, and don't let the mineral crystal scare you away. I wear this thing all the time, and it still looks great. A cold little scratches on an edge, but you won't see them if you aren't liking for them. And if it gets too scratched up, you can always swap in a sapphire crystal, I'm pretty sure.
I have Orient divers with hacking and hand winding and think it’s terrific. I am also a Seiko fan even their sport 5 models. A 100 meter 10 bar watch is not a dive watch but I have been ok so far with any 100 meter 10 bar watch. I do service them myself to be sure they are in top shape. Please note that recreational diving is approximately to 60 to 70 feet or 2 bars. That leaves a 8 bar reserve. To sum up Orient is a great choice along with a few others without breaking the bank and as far as I am concerned not sacrificing reliability or longevity either.
I own this watch. It was my gateway into automatic watches. I prefer this case style over my Seiko and Citizen divers watches. Orient really opens the market to those with a smaller budget and provides us with a quality time piece. The Lume for the price is excellent
I want to buy one automatic dive watch what you recommend for me In 2023
What is the model
I own a blue Ray II and then bought a red Kamasu because I fell in love with the stunning dial. To this day, though, I still really love the Ray just as much. Both are incredible watches, great value for money (I got both discounted) and are watches I hope to own and enjoy for many years to come. I honestly prefer the Ray to the Mako, but definitely understand your perspectives. I own several Orients, and really don't think you can go wrong with the brand. Thanks for another great vid!
agreed, the blue ray 2 is a stunner.
I’m new to Orient but I just picked up a lume face Mako XL (beautiful!) and a Pepsi Mako II for $100 each and plan on adding sapphire crystals to both at some point but the mineral crystals have only a few signs of wear and only when inspected under magnification. They are both keeping almost perfect time and are about +5 seconds a week so far, which is astounding for automatics of unknown age. I hear Orients get more accurate after a break in period and judging by external wear, it didn’t seem like either of them had very much wrist time before I got them. The Pepsi came with a Strap Code milled clasp jubilee bracelet with solid end links and I added a black faux gator strap with a simple Breitling deployant clasp to the XL and it looks amazing with its full face lume and polished bits and more pronounced (and easier to grip!) bezel edge with a slightly larger insert with easy to read numerals. For the Pepsi, I snagged a Barton’s navy and crimson rubber strap from eBay but I love the jubilee on it so much that I may pick up a second Mako II in blue to put the bracelet on just so that I can put the strap on the Pepsi. I am now looking at what I can let go of just to make room in the winder for at least a couple more Orients that I have my eye on. I am amazed at the quality and fit and finish at this price point and the ‘spec monster’ you want is just a few modded parts away and allows you to really explore your customization chops. There are tons of bezels and bands/strap options just for Orients and switching out the bezel to an SKX style opens up lots of ceramic and sapphire insert options from various vendors. I want to do a sub style bezel and lumed sapphire Pepsi insert when I do the crystal upgrade and with the reasonable price of entry, you can afford to really enjoy personalizing and getting a lot of wear out of them without worrying about something more expensive getting damaged. I wish I had discovered Orients years ago!
Hi: I own this very same watch (Mako II). Its a great value for the money and I wear it every day. My only input I would give Orient is to increase the diameter of the crown. Its certainly functional, just a little small.
Yes, I acquired a black and gold Kamasu roughly a year ago. Very nice little watch. The thing I like most about it is the way the second and minute hand reach right out to the minute track. Oh, and the the red arrow tip on the second hand. And slight sunburst effect on the black dial. Nicely detailed watch. Don't like the tiny tiny tiny little crown though.
This was my first automatic watch. I bought it for $120 and have absolutely no regrets. I went on later to mod it with a coin edge bezel, ceramic bezel in the skx style and a double dome saphire crystal and was out of pocket about $400 and for me it was worth every penny.
I’ve got a black Mako11, I’ve changed the bezel for a coin edged and a lumed ceramic insert . There are also sapphire crystals available for it if you’re confident enough to have a go . It’s a great watch for the money even after a few mods 👍
Orient Mako 1 in Orange was my first automatic diver, got it before the SKX and still love it
Crazy beautiful watch, I bought mine last year in October with a blue sunburst dial.
Haven’t had any problems and still enjoy it.
I have had one for several years and just swapped the bezel for a SKX ceramic black bezel insert. Really elevates an already great watch!
My second automatic watch (first was the Orient Bambino). Both are integral parts of my collection and among the most worn. I like the bracelet in my blue Mako as well. It's solid and pretty well made for the price other than lack of a machined clasp. Fantastic watch and my daily wearer. 👍
I have a previous version with the extra crown for adjusting the day. Otherwise identical apart from a blue face that looks black indoors but pops a beautiful blue in the sun.
I love mine. And will at some point get it in blue. I also have a Mako 2 USA white dial and an orange Ray 2 as well.
My Ray2 was about one month old when I scratched the crystal while working on a barbed wire fence. Replaced it with a sapphire crystal and now it is up to spec with a Kamasu and it is still as nice as the day I first took it out of the box.
I have a blue Kamasu, and it's another spec monster, I bought it for $ 210, December 2020. Then I replaced the bracelet with a Strapcode jubilee, and it looks amazing. The price of this model increased a lot over the past year.
Would you say the strapcode bracelet was worth it? It almost half the price of the watch to ship it to the netherlands.
@@Amin_2k It's worth it.
Love it! I have the Kamasu too and they are different and comment each other. Great value in both!
Happy new year!
I love Orient, Great watch!!!💪🏻
I bought one of these in black a few years ago and not having a sapphire crystal is a huge downside, I got a nice big scratch running down the middle from brushing it against a granite countertop. Also, the lack of solid end links makes the bracelet super rattly
I have a red Kamasu, and I managed to get it for €201 (~$230) whereas Mako II was mere €15 cheaper so it was a no-brainer for me, the sapphire crystal alone is worth it and the gorgeous dial is just the icing on the cake. If it only had drilled lugs and maybe a slightly better bracelet and it could easily rival divers multiple times its price.
how can i purchase orient kamasu for 201€
@@abdellah4878 You can buy it from websites like creationwatches but I can't guarantee their legibility. I'm buying mine for 196€ from a Greek shop but I don't think they ship outside of greece
@@autoxeiria6533 Φίλε από που αγόρασες το kamasu με 201 ευρώ? Είναι γνήσια εισαγωγή η gray market?
I've owned a Mako I (with the two crowns) for over 14 years, still going strong. Love the design. I used to have two, one blue, one orange, but sold the blue one to finance other watch purchases. I might end up getting a blue Mako II at some point. I have the Orange on a Black+Orange NATO and it is my beach watch.
Love my black dial Mako II ($128 Dec. 2019). I like the numerals. I think it gives the watch a broader range of acceptable wear scenarios. A tiny bit more civilized or classy, but still ruggedly functional.
Great idea. I wish you had compared the movements, which if I'm not mistaken are the same. I agree, it's a better aesthetic and also agree about the idea of actually being able to glance at the watch and no what time it is especially in a "tool" watch. You know, I think I'm going to buy one now. Really great channel, thank you for your insights.
The mako 2… the watch in your video is my beater watch! I take it on runs, swimming laps, work and on hikes… it cost me 129$ and its awesome! I currently wear it on a black nato but ive wore it with rubber straps and others. Great watch for the money indeed… i went with this model because of the size and the dial… i agree 100% with you about the dial and hand set
Love my Mako 2 and the Blue on it is stunning. That said I will be parting with it as the rotor is noisy, the crown is too small and I do like me a presentation case back. Beautiful watch though. Great to see the love here.
0:46 - - Digg'n the new intro 👌⌚😎👍
Happy New Year 🥳🎉
Love this watch maybe because it's the first automatic watch I ever purchased - and I'm wearing it while I type this comment. I'm new to watches and I got this one as a Father's Day gift in 2021 and I enjoy it immensely. I mainly wear it on the included bracelet but I do have a nato strap that I've worn a few times. I've also done a ton of lap-swimming in the pool with this watch and it's a champ. From afar it reads as a much more expensive diver but there are times when I wish it had sapphire, as I do have to wipe down the mineral which seems to attract streaks and dust.
Bought this watch in July 2021. First proper watch, great price and looks amazing on a nato
Happy New Year Time Teller!!!
I own an Orient Ray 2. Other than the small-ish crown and the too-tight bezel, I like it very much.
Nice! My favourite orients though are still their digitals from the 70s. They are amazing!
I own the Orient Mako XL with the orange bezel. Love it.
You are spot on I think Orient is the thinking mans Seiko. I have this exact watch and love it. Have it on Royal Blue (with central thin red stripe) French Navy stap and it is the absolute business, the blue matching the face and bezel and the stripe matching the second hand. Do like the supplied bracelet, but it is a little too tight for comfort. Any idea where I could get an extra link, or a replacement 20mm dive clasp for it (22mm at lug, 20mm at clasp)? Also shout out to Orient, how about a 44mm "Spork" with day and date?
The pros are why I bought this piece... The cons are negligible and it reminds me a little of Magnum PI's 'Chronosport Sea Quartz' 👍⌚
Good watch, much love to Orient, but still love my Kamasu, it's special⌚😎
Happy new year buddy 🤗
I've had my blue Ray II for a few years now, and I absolutely love it. I wear it all the time, and while I'm no diver, I do swim in it. Great watch, and not a scratch on the crystal (knock on wood). Despite this, I think Better Than The Kamasu is overselling it. Better value for sure, but not a better watch. Regardless, I'll probably pick up the Mako II in black at some point, wouldn't mind owning both!
I have the Ray 2 in blue and the stainless bracelet with small polished accents on the center link sides. Loved it more than my Kamasu in red until I replaced the Kamasu bracelet with a black and red accented silicone strap...now the love is equal ❤️.
Got a Mako II in 2020 for Cdn $200 on Amazon. It gains 15 sec/day. It has minor scratches now in the mineral glass, but more obvious scratches in the bezel. I slipped and fell on ice, bending both bracelet spring bars, and have yet to find small enough diameter replacement spring bars to fit, so use a nylon Archer NATO strap with thicker spring bars.
Orient just rock, especially the Orient Star range. With this diver, I agree that it is more attractive than the Kamasu dial.
i have a ray 2 and love it... it looks so much like an omega with out the price tag ,, just love it
I have the black ray 2, I've modded it with a new bracelet, bezel w/ yacht master matte black ceramic insert and a domed blue AR sapphire crystal. I love my watch! I will always have an orient or two in my collection. Like you said great specs, not alot of money
I’ve went back and forth on Ray/Mako/Kamasu trying to decide which one that I want for my first diver. I’m strongly leaning towards the Ray Raven 2 in all black. Or save up for the orient Star diver…
I like my Rey with the blue dial
I have this watch, and I just love it. For all the reasons you mention, AND it is beautiful.
I had this with an orange dial and I loved it, fantastic watches for the price.
Have owned and given as gifts three variations of this one. Might be wrong but I believe this is off on black IP finish. All have felt and looked great. I'm not huge on bracelets so I usually change the strap immediately. I did notice however that the bracelet does sound hollow in a way and a little squeaky if you didn't adjust it well enough for your wrist
I like this one a lot. I have the ray 2 raven and honestly bang it around and have not scratched the crystal (probably just jinxed myself).
Happy new year big man!!
I have the blue version of the mall and the sunburst dial is spectacular but the two main gripes I have with the watch is the poor grip on the bezel especially when your hands are wet and the bracelet can be clunky on the wrist at times but a great watch especially for the price
Happy New years!! To everyone..Now let's get into the watch very nice..
My initiation into this hobby was an Orient Ray Raven II (identifiable by only having one crown where the v1 had two). It was a very solid piece that kept within +/- 3spd. I gave it to my presumptive SiL, who tells me it stopped working, but while I had it, it was solid. I highly recommend Orient to value-focused, mechanical geeks, especially when they're starting out. There's nothing like a quality auto to make you appreciate the hobby. I currently own a a Sun and Moon v3 (deco arabics) in rose gold tone. I wore it when we eloped in 2020, so it'll stay in the case, pretty much forever.
The orient mako 2 was me first auto watch and is stil going strong nearly 3 years later!
I own the Mako II and the dial is very nice. They also sell aftermarket jubilee bracelets for it with solid ends and milled clasp for $40 on eBay. Only downside is pin and collar for the links.
I remember that I decided to buy an Orient diver because there was the rumor that Seiko was discontinuing the SKX, and its price increased. So, Orient had two models, the Mako and the Ray. And then, the Kamasu was launched, and I fell in love with the green model. It was a no brainer because there was no other diver with sapphire crystal at that price. Although I confess that the dial and handsets of the Mako look more elegant than the Kamatsu. I am surprised that you didn't choose the Orient Ray since it looks like an SKX
Nice video Jory. I agree that this is a great choice if you prefer this dial over the kamasu. I have a Ray and the mineral crystal is fine at this price (I haven’t put any mark on mine).
I own the Mako II in the blue dial with the Pepsi bezel. Just love this watch.
I have 2 of these. Black dial and Pepsi dial and I actually wear the Pepsi dial quite often in my rotation. Love Orient!
Nice review. Thank you. A point to note.
Both the Kamasu and this model are rated as water resistant to 200 meters (Suitable for professional marine activity, serious surface water sports and skin diving.)
The SKX was rated at Divers 200 meters (Minimum ISO standard (ISO 6425) for scuba diving at depths not suitable for saturation diving.)
So, technically not really an SKX equivalent diver.
Just got a Kamasu for Christmas, this looks like my next purchase, Thanks for showing it
I have an Orange Mako I and a Black Ray II. Put a domed sapphire in the Ray. Mako has an aftermarket stainless finish coin edge bezel. (Kinda makes it look a bit like a mini Seiko Orange Monster) They both have strapcode bracelets. Ray gets more wrist time but I love the Mako too.
This mako ( blue dial) was my first real watch, still wear it from time to time nice watch, just a little small on my wrist, but the first watch to really make me love watches
I have the previously named Ray II!! I love it! It’s my favorite of my divers!
I'm still in love with my casio duro, I bought it as a beater but its one of my favorite watches and my cheapest by far
This was my first automatic watch in blue. I still like to wear it sometimes mostly as a beater. Never measured how accurate it is.
I have one in black and blue and love them. I wear them all the time.
Great brand. I own a red dial Kamasu as well as a grey dial new Kamasu 2. Also a blue dial Ray 2.
Paid under $250 for each Kamasu and under $140 for the Ray 2. Just awesome value offered by this brand. 👍
Nice watch. Good vid. Keep at it!
I have the Orient Ray II for over 2 years and it's a great watch. I've been wanting this Orient Mako II in the Pepsi colorway and has been sitting in my Amazon cart for a few weeks now. I may just pull the trigger on it. Also looking at the Islander oyster style bracelet for these models to give it an upgrade. Thanks for the review Jory! Happy New Year my man 👊🏽
I got my strap from Islander for my Kamasu. Great value, looks amazing!
I'm a proud owner of a red/blue Mako. It is really a spec monster for the price. I recently got a more "dressier" Seiko 5 and having both in my hand it really feels like they belong to very different price ranges! Instead the Seiko 5 was 20€ more expensive.
I'm in love with the hands and the dial that I find very original.
got a Ray II and love it... blue dial is gorgeus!!
I once had the Mako the first edition (the tumor, due to the crown on 2) and this watch is awesome. So versatile (for dress or sport) and a very dependable beater watch ha ha
I have to admit I do love my orient divers watches I own 2 rays 2 makos and 5 kanos but I do love the kanos all but 2 of my orient divers have nato straps as find them very comfortable to wear I find metel straps at times to uncomfortable to wear and bang my wrists at times
My watch collection kicked off with an Orient Triton. A flawed but also great watch. My son got the bug too, my first gift watch for him was an Orient Mako 2 America, white dial.
Just bought the 2022 Kamasu Gen 2, comes with a sapphire crystal, coin edged bezel, updated bezel that is more sporty and less busy than the 2021 Kamasu, brushed case finish on the sides , burgundy gradient bezel/red dial, and beige colored lume new for 2022. A no brainer with the f6922 automatic movement and for $187.
Super excited as this is my first self-purchased watch ever! Been looking for almost a year now, and when this came out...I found my watch.
I have never owned a mechanical watch, only quartz and I was looking at this watch or the kamasu. Thanks for the review.
I have it in blue and I absolutely love mine for the same reasons. My major con, the crown size, it’s too small and the crown guards make that even more of an issue.
Just this afternoon the courier dropped off a blue Mako 2, used, but in excellent condition. Some scratches on the bracelet and a fairly large gouge on the bezel at 45. Are these bezels coloured all the way through? as the scratch is deep but still blue all the way. Anyway, I've wanted a Mako for ages and this one's price was a steel (50% of retail) so I snapped it up. And so far I'm lovin' it
Happy New Year
Orient has an amazing bang per buck value. Nice review 👌🏼
I have the Pepsi model and I love it! It had a few qc issues which is uncommon for them, but still just love it!
Going at +3 sec per day, awesome for the price. 👏
Hello. I have the first gen blue Mako with the extra button for day change and my unit is very accurate, only about five seconds fast or slow during the day and I adjust it during the night by putting the watch face up to gain those seconds or crown up to lose them, for me it is not a problem the mineral crystal , it has been on my wrist for several years and it is like new.....I recently bought the Kamasu with that beautiful red dial as a birthday present for my son and it looks awesome on his wrist......on the other hand I must say that this unit is about twelve seconds slow per day with no way to gain some second by changing the position when it is on the desk during the night and the crown is difficult to screw. Cheers !.
Good watch, but having bigger wrists, I have the Kano (RAAA0009L19B) I solved the "problem" of the crystal by simply replacing it with a sapphire.
Best wishes for the new Year😁
I’ve bought two. A Pepsi for my son as his first mechanical watch. I liked it so much, I bought the black dial for myself. One thing I noticed, that I’ve yet to see any reviewer discuss, is that the “12” is offset to the crown side of the imaginary centerline - between the 60 second mark to the 30 second mark. Other than that, I really like the watch, and the black one in particular is a strap monster. It looks great on a silver/black Bond.
I own this in the Pepsi variant. Great watch I did upgrade the bracelet so it has solid end links and a better quality clasp from Marc at Long Island Watch.
I've got the Pepsi bezel model. Really like this watch even if it doesn't get much wrist time.
Love wearing my Mako II, it’s also a strap monster and keeps time better than most of my watches!
Really nice watch, thanks for reviewing 💪👊✌️
I own both in black dials. The Mako I wear to work. The Kamasu I put a nice Hirsch strap on and wear it on the weekends
I prefer the Ray II. Full 15 minute markers on the bezel as opposed to 10 mins on the Mako II. Lume on the seconds hand.
I have Mako II in blue, with pepsi bezel. Looks great!
I own this watch as well as a blue Ray II. I agree 100% that both these models represent about the best value you can find in a dive watch from a well-respected brand. I am not a fan of the notched bezel so I replaced the bezels on both with sub-style bezels and ceramic inserts. Even with those upgrades, I am still into each piece for not much over $200. Great watches for the money.
This is a mako 2 and I have this watch.. It came out before the Kamaso and I prefer it.. Beautiful watch..