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Fire Alarm Test #40
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- Опубликовано: 5 июл 2017
- Test of a Simplex 4010ES system in a school. System has had a few upgrades with the original panel being a 2001. The 4010es was recently added in addition to addressable devices.
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I love how that girl was like "that's my jam!" when the alarm went off at 2:48
Jordan Trivett same!😀
LOL!!
Wow, talk about trying to save money. You'd think with the 4010ES, the school would want the fancy new TrueAlertES units with all the neat features. I guess as long as the 1980's signals work with the panel alright and they're in good shape, it makes sense to leave them in. I love how they retrofitted the 4606 annunciator onto the door of the old annunciator/panel.
Its a rural district with limited funding so they have been upgraded in phases.
Got it, that makes sense.
I remember watching this video the day it came out, was a few months after I got interested in alarms, Thanks for being an inspiration!!
8:04. That’s A Code Violation. They Should Have Put A 4903-9220 (Vertical Mount 9219) There
Definitely should have. That said, it's an extremely minor error especially compared to some of the stuff I've seen in online groups. If I were in charge, I would print out "FIRE" labels facing the correct direction.
It sounds like each pull/smoke has it's own address, and the horns sound out the address. First being either 1-1-2 or 1-3, next being 1-5, and 1-7 and so on.
When you were in the one area with the chalk board etc did the one student or whoever it was near you say "That's my jam!"?
Gary Beltz yes. yes she did.
For those who are complaining about the Upward Mounted Devices, These were Installed That way, and they pass Current Code Rules in that Jurisdiction. Some places, Because of Cost and Repairs, will install new devices that way. Also, Be aware that these are The Simplex 4903-9401 Horn/Strobe devices because this panel has SmartSync Modules on it for this building. The pulls are also 100% Addressable, and the Horn/Strobe devices are 100% Smartsync Capable
You can actually sync up the 921x as well as the 923x. Its not always the 9401s.
This is a cool system!!!
Not many horns in the hallways. Smaller school? I hate how newer systems have horns/strobes every 10’. Lol. My high school had older Faraday horns that were so loud that they vibrated through the concrete, you could feel and hear them on the other side of the wall. And there were only two horns on each floor. Didn’t matter how far away you were from a horn, you still heard it loud and clear, or felt it!
That was same with me but 4903 9102s and 9838s there were a few on each floor on 1st and 2nd floor
Is that's tile floor as the gym floor? OH MY GOD that takes me back to my cheap elementary school. 🤣🤣🤣 It had wheelock AS and RSS mostly. The office in the science and art room had a 4904 in the office. Two remodeled small rooms in the library had EST genesis in them. 2 classroom portable and 2 double portables had simplex Truealerts. Another double portable had two wheelock NS. And the last portable had *TWO!* wheelock AS, and that was the second smallest portable.
VCVCFans omg same but mine has weird alarms
Nice video! We have a 4020 at my school, upgraded from a 4002 I believe. The older signals are powered via a 4009 NAC Power Extender, probably because then they wouldn't have to rewire everything. I'd imagine there's tons of different wires in my school, especially in a 65 year old building that's been renovated and added onto countless times...original building is from 1951 but went under additions in the 60's, 70's, 80's, and under the final addition and other alterations in 1995. We recently passed a bond issue so a new high school will be built in 2018 and the current one I go to will get torn down. Unfortunately I won't be able to go to the new school as I'll be the last graduating class (2019) to graduate from the current building...so I'm going to try to get some equipment before it goes but I'll probably be in college so that may not happen. I hope they use Simplex stuff in the new building (my district has been for the most part strictly Simplex since roughly the 1960's and onward). Simplex is still extremely common in my area so it's very likely the new school will have a Simplex system.
Cool. Thanks for viewing!
My high school has a complex system. The main panel is the simplex 4002. In addition of two 4100es panels and a 4100u panel. I beleive there's also a 4010 in the new addition. Older alarms are simplex 9838's on 2903 strobe plates and old life alarm speakers on 2903 light plates. Horn strobes on 4002 and speaker strobes on 4100u. The 4100es panels have truealert speaker strobes on them. The 4010 has truealert horn strobes. Some older alarms were replaced. 2 are integrity horn strobes and 1 is a Edwards 892-2b. One of the old light plate has a 31t horn on it interestingly enough. All pulls are t bars from different generations. Same with the smokes. 2098's on older parts and truealarms on newer parts. There's a 4051 outside the building that doesn't work anymore. It could be a 4050. Everything is on continuous.
Alarm Collector 330 what message and tone do the sections with the speaker strobes have?
Could we get a video? (Just make sure not to show faces.)
My Middle school has Federal Signal 450E+V1971 Horn Strobes and 2 SpectrAlert Classics as replacements.
The school was built in 1956. I do not know the original devices, probably older Federal Signal Horns, Simplex, Autocall, Faraday, or Edwards. Panel is unknown. If you wanted to know what the school is, it is Northside Middle School (Norfolk, VA) if you go there let me know, and we can meet up!!!
+SimplexTech Guy9838. Same At My High School
My elementary school had 4903 9102 9838s and it was fast 90 bpm
The 4010ES is in a surprisingly compact case, probably 1/2-3/4 of the size of the original 4010
The 4606-9102 annunciator installed onto the 80s annunciator looks pretty neat. I was surprised they had those 4903-9219 horn/strobes; I'm pretty sure originally the school had 2903-series alarms, as those were often found on 2001 systems.
Cool system test and I love the fire alarms and they are my favorite kind
Thanks for viewing!
And how many zones are there
Always Jack
No zones it's all addressable.
@@jackhamel7122 they are called device points.. for instance, you can run 250 devices on 1 SLC [signaling line circuit] loop.. just by using 4 wires going in and out on the panel..
Love the intro
And how many zones are there
SAFETECH do
you love testing fire alarms in buildings
Always Jack
I suppose. It's part of my job. I know many of you guys like it so that's why I film it. :)
cool video! It seems to be that they have 4099-9004 pulls with the LED but they have the 4099-9001 cover and sticker.
Safety Security Alert They all have had LEDs. All IDNet devices (whether the 4906 addressable horn strobes, speaker strobes, and remote strobes, TrueAlertES series, the older pulls, and the smokes) have LEDs on them. The reason you don't typically see them is because the sticker is covering up the LED or the camera is not close enough to capture it or there's glare or something. The first pull station in the boiler room in this building reads the product ID number of 4099-9001. Also the LED pulls didn't come out until Simplex changed their logo to what it currently is upon the release of the ES series of panels, and later, the pulls and the ES series of notification appliances. The 4906 series is still in production and newer models also feature the new logo.
Not all IDnet devices have them I don't think.
The newer ones that are made today have the Led with the glass tube to let the light pass through.
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If it were me installing the signals during the 90s, I'd go with horizontal strobe 4903-9220s instead of vertical 9219s (or 9215s/9217s). That doesn't seem like an ideal instal job.
I know this is 3 years after you posted this comment but I believe this system would’ve had 2903 units considering there was a 2001 originally. I bet in 1995 when they required high Intensity strobes they just added them in place of the 2903s. That’s probably why they aren’t oriented correctly.
@@dale4231 there also could be a possibility that they used 4050-80s. I herd that some 2001s systems (before 82 I think) used 4051s or 4050-80s. The 2903s are more likely.
amazing!
Thanks for viewing!
By the way: my High School's Fire Alarm System is monitored by Tyco, but we have Siemens (it sucks... REALLY BAD!) we had a simplex system, since it opened in 1983, until 2013 when Siemens came in. I don't know why we didn't do a 4010 or 4100 panel, in each building, it was probably cheap to go with the crap system 💩 called Siemens 😡
A college in a neighboring town from where I am has been getting rid of their Simplex systems (And there weren't many to begin with) in favor of Siemens. BIG mistake, as Siemens got cheap after that 2007 Wheelock lawsuit; they've gotten as bad as EST. One building had a neat vintage Simplex 4207 or 2001 system with 4051+4050-80 horn/lights, break-glass 4251-30 pulls, Pyrotector smoke detectors and 4255-1 heat sensors, along with old square Simplex clocks, but then they junked it all in 2010 and put in a Siemens system with Wheelock ZNS horn/strobes and RSG dual-action pulls.
But MY college and my city's public school system go with Fire-Lite (also cheap) and Notifier (a noticeable step up.)
SAFETECH do you make good money
soo cool
Great video
Thanks for viewing!
Weird how they mounted the 9219s like that. I wonder if there were 2903 alarms up there prior to them.
Yes there were. It was more efficient to mount the new in their place.
Why didn't they use -9220s though in this video? Was -9219's all they had at the time?
My school has its fair share of odd retrofits, such as dying 2903-9101/2801-9838 horn strobes replaced with Wheelock Exceder horn strobes on TrueAlert retrofit plates. Only one actually has a TrueAlert on it. Of course the Wheelock alarms are messed up because they are 2 wire and the system is coded to march time so the strobes flash like once every three or four seconds...I think whoever did that was an installer that only sold Wheelock and Honeywell equipment as the aux gym pulls (were 4251-20's) were replaced with Honeywell 5140MPS-2 Allen reset pulls (rebranded SigCom SG-32 series). Of course everything else is Simplex though, but I've never seen such an odd retrofit like that.
Wait? You were at this school when the old horns were there?
Sometimes the way that the companies do upgrades don't really make any sense. At my elementary school, the new addition built in the early 90s had 4904+2901-9838 horn/strobes as did the rest of the school. But then the rest of the school was upgraded to 4903-9219 horn/strobes but the cafeteria, which was the newer addition kept their older horns, as well as behind the teacher's lounge where there was a storage and boiler room, the entryway outside the cafeteria and an elevator room.
Simsfanatic1997 BTCP I understand that; it's just the FIRE lettering is difficult to read in that position, so I was just curious as to why they didn't use the vertical mount version; however they might've not been making the 9220's at the time which is probably why they did that. Thanks for the clarification though.
Cool video!!!!!
why does the fire alarm sound strange
Andy Fonseca He originally had the system in walk test.
the fire alarms are old. It has to be that.. because the fire alarms are 2908 1948
The Gaming's First Choice Are The 2908s Form 1948?
The model number is 4903-9219. They are from the mid-1990's, so not that old. The reason they sound strange is because they use a microcontroller to control the striking mechanism, unlike older horns which use a mechanical switching mechanism.
They are the older alarms, the older ones will sound different than the newer models.
What does ES mean like the TrueAlert ES and the 4010ES
For fire lite it means endurance series but I'm not sure what it means for simplex
@@FireTech7 Simplex calls the ES, Enhanced System
They just put the new annunciator on top of the old one.
What company do you work for or do you just a inspector
JCI.
Nice vid, although thumbs down on the coded strobes though.
weatherdan882002 The only reason the strobes were coded is because the system was in walk test that's how they are supposed to flash in that mode.
Watch to the end - he puts the panel back to normal and tests it and the alarms do code-3 with the strobes coded to the pattern.
1:05 very quiet
what bugs me the most is the fact that the alarms are mounted the wrong way
SAFETECH what are you again when I am older I want to be like you
Always Jack
I'm a fire systems inspector for SimplexGrinnell.
SAFETECH how much money do you make
Cool
are these alarms suppost to be march time or code 3?
Code 3
March time maybe it could happen
@@vintagesimplexfirealarmsof6440 They can't be switched to March Time.
@@vintagesimplexfirealarmsof6440 I don't think the ES panels has March Time in the menus.
there's a simplex 4010ES in my school
Smart choice!
Does anyone know what alarms are multi tone
The newer truealert ES and Wheelock MT's also Siemens UMMT's, Gentex commander 3's the P2rl and chimes
A system sensor mass
Code violenceS!!!!
How and why?
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Why are they all mounted wrong?
were there 2903 in there before
nice
Thanks for viewing!
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I can't believe there are no horn strobes in the room with the panel it's very hard to hear the horns going off outside and I have my volume on full blast. I'd call that a fail
Oh, and by the way, I personally own a Simplex 4004. I'm going to use it for my new demonstration system.
8:04. it’s mounted vertically when it’s not supposed to be -_-
Looks like it is in a school
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All of the fire alarms you test are old and sound wierd