Thank you for posting this..living in Roslindale in the 1950s and going to Bosto Tech HS from 1956 until 1959 I took this Orange line home every day from school…getting on at the Mechanics Hall Station and riding it into the Arborway..this video brought back so many memories….Bruno
The Arborway line was cutback the same reason why the Watertown line was closed. After track work was completed, a new loop was built at the orange line Forrest Hills station but was never used by trolleys and was removed 3 years ago.
where was the loop located? could it be found using older photos on google street view? edit: nvm I found them, when I went back to 2007 the tracks are very apparent in the road all the way to arborway. But per ush almost of it is renovated and removed by this point, seems you would be hard pressed to find any traces in-person.
Forrest Hills, South st. South Huntington, Center st., Huntington Ave by North Eastern university.... heath st. Via NEU to park st... is still in service...
I grew up across the street from the Arborway terminal. Would take this trolley to the Curley middle school. Half the time I would walk home because the service was so bad back then you would wait an hour for the trolley. It was quicker to walk. Another great memory was riding them in the summer and the heat would be on and you couldn’t open the window. Also would take it to our high school hockey games at the old Boston Arena. Can you imagine a kid with a hockey stick and a duffle bag riding the T today?
The MBTA is overdue to resume Green "E" Line service past Heath Street again, at least to Hyde Square, but ideally to Forest Hills. It was apparently promised to resume after the Orange Line "L" was taken down and redeveloped in the 1980s, but - per usual by MBTA standards - the promise fell flat. Today in 2019, with automobile and bus congestion up and down Centre Street, it would be wise to restrict non-essential vehicles and replace all other traffic with Green Line tracks. If Jamaica Plain wants to live up to the environmentalist reputation of the neighborhood, it is only natural to push for this.
That’s insane. We don’t need trains on city streets. They should be separate or underground. South Huntington which is wider than centre street is a semi disaster for driving.
Also the original Arborway car house was demolished in 2000 and was replaced by a gas facility for CNG buses. I still think the elimination was a huge mistake.
From the end of service to Arborway until sometime in 1989 they ran only to Brigham Circle. The Brigham Circle inbound platform is further inbound than the outbound side platform because the crossover used to be between the two platforms. Cars unloaded at the outbound platform, changed ends at the outbound platform, and crossed over to the inbound line to pick up their new passengers. I think there were spring switches. I think I remember hearing that the T wanted to keep Brigham Circle as the end of the line to avoid street running -- and the configuration of Brigham Circle for easy reversing supports that idea -- but the VA pushed for service to resume to Heath Street next to the VA hospital so the T did it. In 88 and 89, IIRC, Huntington Ave was all dug up from Brigham Circle to the corner with South Huntington while a whole new roadbed and tracks were put in. I rode the bus past it once or twice a day and for a while I thought they were going to build a reservation for the trolleys, but no. The tracks in So. Huntington were not redone then. IIRC, bizarrely enough, some of the tracks in JP (Centre St and/or South St) were redone after 1985 to never be used. That's in addition to the new station at Forest Hills (used by the #39 bus for some years, and maybe still today) AND the temporary connection that was built over the new Orange Line/RR trench sometime and also never used. The temporary one ran on the north side of the street to the north of the Arborway overpass; the last new one ran under the overpass and had a loop under the overpass. Lots of waste. (edited to correct mistakes; thanks Lucius.)
@@sammartland932 The Brigham Circle platforms are in the same places, offset from each other as you describe. (I wouldn't absolutely swear that they weren't moved a little bit when they were rebuilt since then, but doesn't look like they moved, at least not much.) I saw the reversing operation you describe, and yes, I also came to the conclusion that they had spring switches, since I didn't see anybody changing their position. I think that may no longer be the case, since in recent times when they turn back a train there, I see somebody doing something with the switches. Too bad all prospect of restoring the line beyond Heath Street has been officially killed off.
Jude Vientos As far as I have heard from the Current Events portion of Boston Street Railway Association meetings, all proposals for restoring E Branch service beyond Heath Street have been removed from all current official planning (including budget) documents, and tracks have been removed (although it is possible that some paved-over track still exists beyond Heath Street). (Edited to add source of my information.)
My streetcar line. Shame there's no Centre st film. The music was a mismatch, given that the film at the end was all 1970s-80s. Maybe Cars by Gary Numan, or Heartache Tonight by the Eagles? And for the commenters: The T was never going to bring back the streetcars to the street lines like Arborway. And they were right. Trollys couldn't detour out around a stalled vehicle, and they couldn't be put on another (bus) line overnight. Streetcars were already gone from Washington st and Hyde Park ave, and no one cared. It was handy to ride all the way downtown, but the Orange line did the same thing, and it was close to much of the line.
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Thank you for posting this..living in Roslindale in the 1950s and going to Bosto Tech HS from 1956 until 1959 I took this Orange line home every day from school…getting on at the Mechanics Hall Station and riding it into the Arborway..this video brought back so many memories….Bruno
The Arborway line was cutback the same reason why the Watertown line was closed. After track work was completed, a new loop was built at the orange line Forrest Hills station but was never used by trolleys and was removed 3 years ago.
where was the loop located? could it be found using older photos on google street view?
edit: nvm I found them, when I went back to 2007 the tracks are very apparent in the road all the way to arborway. But per ush almost of it is renovated and removed by this point, seems you would be hard pressed to find any traces in-person.
Forrest Hills, South st. South Huntington, Center st., Huntington Ave by North Eastern university.... heath st. Via NEU to park st... is still in service...
I grew up across the street from the Arborway terminal. Would take this trolley to the Curley middle school. Half the time I would walk home because the service was so bad back then you would wait an hour for the trolley. It was quicker to walk. Another great memory was riding them in the summer and the heat would be on and you couldn’t open the window.
Also would take it to our high school hockey games at the old Boston Arena. Can you imagine a kid with a hockey stick and a duffle bag riding the T today?
I went to the Curley from 1953 to 1956..
🍺to the good old days
Wonderful video I really enjoyed it, I had an apartment on South Street.
Looks like the mid 70's. Rode them all the time back then.
As they used to say on BCN, Boston rocks!
The MBTA is overdue to resume Green "E" Line service past Heath Street again, at least to Hyde Square, but ideally to Forest Hills. It was apparently promised to resume after the Orange Line "L" was taken down and redeveloped in the 1980s, but - per usual by MBTA standards - the promise fell flat. Today in 2019, with automobile and bus congestion up and down Centre Street, it would be wise to restrict non-essential vehicles and replace all other traffic with Green Line tracks. If Jamaica Plain wants to live up to the environmentalist reputation of the neighborhood, it is only natural to push for this.
That’s insane. We don’t need trains on city streets. They should be separate or underground. South Huntington which is wider than centre street is a semi disaster for driving.
Also the original Arborway car house was demolished in 2000 and was replaced by a gas facility for CNG buses. I still think the elimination was a huge mistake.
1:00, 1:20 those trolleys looked like they were painted for the Mattapan Line!
Make the T great again!
Awesome video my friend
1:24 are thoes trolleys on the road!?
Actually, the LRVs ran to Heath Street, and still run there, even unto this very day.
From the end of service to Arborway until sometime in 1989 they ran only to Brigham Circle. The Brigham Circle inbound platform is further inbound than the outbound side platform because the crossover used to be between the two platforms. Cars unloaded at the outbound platform, changed ends at the outbound platform, and crossed over to the inbound line to pick up their new passengers. I think there were spring switches.
I think I remember hearing that the T wanted to keep Brigham Circle as the end of the line to avoid street running -- and the configuration of Brigham Circle for easy reversing supports that idea -- but the VA pushed for service to resume to Heath Street next to the VA hospital so the T did it. In 88 and 89, IIRC, Huntington Ave was all dug up from Brigham Circle to the corner with South Huntington while a whole new roadbed and tracks were put in. I rode the bus past it once or twice a day and for a while I thought they were going to build a reservation for the trolleys, but no. The tracks in So. Huntington were not redone then. IIRC, bizarrely enough, some of the tracks in JP (Centre St and/or South St) were redone after 1985 to never be used. That's in addition to the new station at Forest Hills (used by the #39 bus for some years, and maybe still today) AND the temporary connection that was built over the new Orange Line/RR trench sometime and also never used. The temporary one ran on the north side of the street to the north of the Arborway overpass; the last new one ran under the overpass and had a loop under the overpass. Lots of waste.
(edited to correct mistakes; thanks Lucius.)
@@sammartland932 The Brigham Circle platforms are in the same places, offset from each other as you describe. (I wouldn't absolutely swear that they weren't moved a little bit when they were rebuilt since then, but doesn't look like they moved, at least not much.) I saw the reversing operation you describe, and yes, I also came to the conclusion that they had spring switches, since I didn't see anybody changing their position. I think that may no longer be the case, since in recent times when they turn back a train there, I see somebody doing something with the switches.
Too bad all prospect of restoring the line beyond Heath Street has been officially killed off.
@@Lucius_Chiaraviglio Killed off? How so?
Jude Vientos As far as I have heard from the Current Events portion of Boston Street Railway Association meetings, all proposals for restoring E Branch service beyond Heath Street have been removed from all current official planning (including budget) documents, and tracks have been removed (although it is possible that some paved-over track still exists beyond Heath Street).
(Edited to add source of my information.)
My streetcar line. Shame there's no Centre st film. The music was a mismatch, given that the film at the end was all 1970s-80s. Maybe Cars by Gary Numan, or Heartache Tonight by the Eagles?
And for the commenters: The T was never going to bring back the streetcars to the street lines like Arborway. And they were right. Trollys couldn't detour out around a stalled vehicle, and they couldn't be put on another (bus) line overnight. Streetcars were already gone from Washington st and Hyde Park ave, and no one cared. It was handy to ride all the way downtown, but the Orange line did the same thing, and it was close to much of the line.
Wow ... use to ride everyday to and from work ... Hall St. In JP to Park St. STA.
TREEmont?
Some people even townies pronounce it like that! I know, I agree with you, it just ain't right.