Fantastic video! I honestly didn't think about how some of those scenes were either a dream or a memory. The discussion at cosmo canyon would def fit this as the area is closely connected with the lifestream. Tifa's dream was def the outliner as it seemed different compared to the other characters. I wonder if that had anything to do with what happened in gongaga as well.
Is it just me, though, or has Tifa kinda ALWAYS been Cloud's hero, more than vice-versa, with the facts that she always looks out for him, always checking if he's okay, she's the crutch that has been helping Cloud to stand up since the Nibelheim incident ❤
7:24 Ahhhhh! and this isn't the only time Tifa gets the "Glitch" it also happens at the infamous Altar scene. Couple that with never showing the audience the scar, Doc Sheiran saying she got picked up by Shinra when they get to Corel, and the Tifa turning into Sephiroth scene from the OG you showed at the end....hoo boi, our girl may have Jenova cells... The 3rd entry cannot come soon enough-I NEED ANSWERS! I WANT THE TRUTH! and hopefully the truth will be easily handled and digest-able XD My big theory is that none of this is actually happening and is a continuation from the OG when Holy doesn't work.....until it melds with the lifestream. Followed by this big blinding flash and the zoom in of Aerith's face from the VERY beginning of the game...which you see again..at the beginning of remake :) tldr this is Holy's judgement...testing to see if man is worth saving or wiping out entirely and Seph is probably gunna use this to his advantage...it's why he wants Aerith to summon holy and reunite the worlds...."Good Aerith...Pray"
A small correction though, the "speakers" from 5:55 are also present in the real Nibelheim, I was wrong here. But that doesn't change things with the strange flower that is present in Cloud's memories and in Tifa trial only
honestly, I was thinking Sephiroth was somehow choosing which memories were being used to test the party. The red mako was only shown with stagnant souls unable to return to the planet, such as the Gi Tribe, before that scene... but Tifa's test was especially tampered with. Good findings
Having watched all the trials while playing the game before, I thought her trial was the least interesting because the scenario was something I've seen before. But now, after watching your video, I am intrigued. And the scene where she's over her dad's body and she's saying the exact same lines she did 5 years ago, with her face half hidden, was chilling.
Dream is used as a means of comprehending a spiritual connection; Cloud with post-death Aerith, Tifa with Cloud's inner turmoil, Cloud and worlds within the black materia. But yes, worlds of memories, past present and future. Each exists and fades away. This is actually pretty good. That's definitely memory glitching. Interesting.
Wow, this is an amazing video! Yuffie's memory holograms reminded me of how Tifa saw her (and Cloud's) memories in chapter 9. Also, it's interesting how Tifa's trial doesn't look like her actual memories of the Promise night or the Nibel Incident, especially if you read totp. There's no stars, no Maru (Flaffy), no Zangan, not even other residents! While Aerith's memories are exactly the same as it was described in the book, if I remember correctly. And with other details that you pointed out, it all looks very sus🤔 If it's really Sephi creating an illusion, do you have any ideas why he would do that?
@@MrFox21121 I can see Seph still trying to allude to the idea that Tifa is fake/Jenova and that she died that night. I think that's why in TOTP we get a more in depth look into her life, even a glimpse of post Nibleheim which I think will be VERY important because it shows what she did with her life after which will ultimately prove that she did survive
@@Serenemistt oooooh I like that a lot. I just read TOTP recently and have already seen how many times the game made direct references to the book so that would be fantastic for part three to use that. Great observation!
Maybe that's why Cloud didn't get a trial (at least not in the same way the others did); a piece of his consciousness is elsewhere? About Cloud and Tifa having connected consciousnesses or souls, or 'real' Cloud hitching a ride in her mind - all the Gongaga lifestream memories appear to be from Cloud's point of view, don't they? They're all looking over his shoulder, the water tower memory is focussed on what Tifa says, rather than what Cloud says (you'd think it'd be the other way around if it were Tifa remembering it). Is she seeing Cloud's memories rather than her own? Also the glitching at the end when Tifa seems to see Aerith both dead and alive - again, like she can see through Cloud's eyes
Even the whale weapon is blue that saves Tifa, whereas the other one is pink. These blue/pink weapons were also shown in the credits. Blue represents Cloud whereas pink represents Aerith
@@Serenemistt I think the blue weapon is baby sapphire weapon (the same weapon who attacked Junon to protect Tifa in OG) The pink weapon is baby ultimate weapon I think.
Amazing video! I swear like only yesterday I was remembering the last creepy scene with Jenova mimicking Tifa and breaking the fouth wall, and I also thought that was similar to the image of young Tifa in her trial! If two of us thought the same thing independently, maybe there’s something to it! Fantastic observations, too. I never noticed the thing about Sonon which makes sense. I also never noticed the reunion flower in Nibelheim. It seems that the trials are packed with riddles. They aren’t simple tearjerkers. Looking forward to what the devs do with it in the next installment. For instance, I think it would be cool if Sephiroth tried to sow doubt and guilt in Tifa by convincing her that she was an entitled princess who never noticed Cloud and maybe even encouraged bullying him by her friends. While the truth is, that was him who thought the other kids were stupid and picking fights. Which he will tell her in the lifestream as he did in the OG. Sephiroth needs to undermine the trust between them.
Well it's interesting because Jessie asks if Cloud and Tifa were close in Remake before he gets a flashback of young Tifa where she's calling out to him and saying are you ignoring me? The truth is this is a false memory and linked to the jenova cells altering Cloud's memory/perception according to the Remake ultimania. Also what I found interesting was Tifa's pov in her novel, there were times she questioned herself, she is an unreliable narrator, and the ultimate truth in OG is that her and Cloud were never friends or even close to begin with. Ik in the novel they now added in the part of Cloud and her hanging out when they were super young when Thea was alive, but maybe that is also something Tifa may be misremembering? In the novel she contradicts herself, at first she says we used to run back and forth in our homes when we were very young, later she freaks out and realizes while saying, how could she grow up next door to someone and know so little about them? I guess we won't know until things are cleared up in the lifestream 😂
@@Serenemistt oooh, yes, very good point. It would make such a great twist if Tifa turned out to be an unreliable narrator too. The developers can make us feel the same emotions as in OG without repeating the OG twist, given that the shock factor of the original reveal is already lost. I think “Are you ignoring me” little Tifa is an illusion and we may see in Lifestream that in reality she was just sitting there playing with her friends. I am super interested in how the rest of it is going to play out, too.
These aren't memories or memories from the life stream the life stream. These are key moments in each character's life that caused the most despair. Sephiroth has a hand to play in all of these, like he says at the end of the game, despair is powerful and is what Sephiroth wants in order to grow more powerful. That is why he wants to merge worlds, to increase and double the despair with every world he merges. He is trying to break the characters by having them ALL relive thier most traumatic moments.
I can explain everything you just saw. The life stream is not the experiences of people memories but the life stream is the multiverse with infinite numbers of realities. When Tifa, Barrette, Cloud, and Yuffie recalled their dreams, they are really traversing into different realities through their dreams. The multiverse is a known fact not a theory.
Well, the lifestream is memories of the future, present and past, THAT's a fact, and the multiverse is fan theory. But technically we can say that it's the same thing in some sense
Yea, it's interesting when Tifa spots the flower that Cloud is about to give her in Remake she says something like I can't remember the last time I saw a real one, she also says later that she tried to keep it alive, but now it's dead and buried like the bar, our home, and everything else
Don't mean to be "that guy", but the whole dream idea has so many FFX tie-ins! I would absolutely love it if the worlds from my two favorite FF games were canonically linked.
Yeah, I must admit I was kinda angry with Tifa's trial starting as kids with Cloud, like damn, is she now going to claim the biggest trauma of her life was child Cloud? Goddamn. Cloud's trial was also pretty weird. The death of Jesse was by no means the worse that happened to him. I have no idea why Sephiroth chose that particular moment. Thanks for the video!
Wait wait wait.... what the did tifa turn to sephiroth at the end? Dont tell me sephiroth use her body to getter information?!!!! What game is it by the way? Will this be the next game remake?
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Indeed, the way that kid version of Tifa smirks after her spin is very mischievous and deceptive - much like Sephiroth's smirk.
That scene always looked creepy to me in an unsettling way
Fantastic video! I honestly didn't think about how some of those scenes were either a dream or a memory. The discussion at cosmo canyon would def fit this as the area is closely connected with the lifestream. Tifa's dream was def the outliner as it seemed different compared to the other characters. I wonder if that had anything to do with what happened in gongaga as well.
Is it just me, though, or has Tifa kinda ALWAYS been Cloud's hero, more than vice-versa, with the facts that she always looks out for him, always checking if he's okay, she's the crutch that has been helping Cloud to stand up since the Nibelheim incident ❤
7:24 Ahhhhh! and this isn't the only time Tifa gets the "Glitch" it also happens at the infamous Altar scene. Couple that with never showing the audience the scar, Doc Sheiran saying she got picked up by Shinra when they get to Corel, and the Tifa turning into Sephiroth scene from the OG you showed at the end....hoo boi, our girl may have Jenova cells...
The 3rd entry cannot come soon enough-I NEED ANSWERS! I WANT THE TRUTH! and hopefully the truth will be easily handled and digest-able XD
My big theory is that none of this is actually happening and is a continuation from the OG when Holy doesn't work.....until it melds with the lifestream. Followed by this big blinding flash and the zoom in of Aerith's face from the VERY beginning of the game...which you see again..at the beginning of remake :) tldr this is Holy's judgement...testing to see if man is worth saving or wiping out entirely and Seph is probably gunna use this to his advantage...it's why he wants Aerith to summon holy and reunite the worlds...."Good Aerith...Pray"
I was thinking the game takes place in that weird wormhole moment in the og.
This is utter brilliant sleuth work. You've illumined so much for me! Thank you 🙏
I also dig the AI voice! Please keep creating content.
I used the tiktok AI voice because I don't speak English.
💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾 good work tho
I was wondering lol who has played the game and doesn’t say Yuffie correctly? 😅
A small correction though, the "speakers" from 5:55 are also present in the real Nibelheim, I was wrong here.
But that doesn't change things with the strange flower that is present in Cloud's memories and in Tifa trial only
honestly, I was thinking Sephiroth was somehow choosing which memories were being used to test the party. The red mako was only shown with stagnant souls unable to return to the planet, such as the Gi Tribe, before that scene... but Tifa's test was especially tampered with. Good findings
Having watched all the trials while playing the game before, I thought her trial was the least interesting because the scenario was something I've seen before. But now, after watching your video, I am intrigued. And the scene where she's over her dad's body and she's saying the exact same lines she did 5 years ago, with her face half hidden, was chilling.
I got chicken akin after that. Tifa's sort of memory heart me the moste with earith. But all of them are crazy. I was loosing my mind damn it
Dream is used as a means of comprehending a spiritual connection; Cloud with post-death Aerith, Tifa with Cloud's inner turmoil, Cloud and worlds within the black materia. But yes, worlds of memories, past present and future. Each exists and fades away.
This is actually pretty good. That's definitely memory glitching. Interesting.
It may be far fetched but I loooove the idea of young Cloud being like the suppressed part of Cloud here
Wow, this is an amazing video! Yuffie's memory holograms reminded me of how Tifa saw her (and Cloud's) memories in chapter 9. Also, it's interesting how Tifa's trial doesn't look like her actual memories of the Promise night or the Nibel Incident, especially if you read totp. There's no stars, no Maru (Flaffy), no Zangan, not even other residents! While Aerith's memories are exactly the same as it was described in the book, if I remember correctly. And with other details that you pointed out, it all looks very sus🤔
If it's really Sephi creating an illusion, do you have any ideas why he would do that?
My guess is he is still trying stop/kill Tifa as she is the one that pulls Cloud back and ultimately leads to Sephiroths defeat.
@@MrFox21121 I can see Seph still trying to allude to the idea that Tifa is fake/Jenova and that she died that night. I think that's why in TOTP we get a more in depth look into her life, even a glimpse of post Nibleheim which I think will be VERY important because it shows what she did with her life after which will ultimately prove that she did survive
@@Serenemistt oooooh I like that a lot. I just read TOTP recently and have already seen how many times the game made direct references to the book so that would be fantastic for part three to use that. Great observation!
Maybe that's why Cloud didn't get a trial (at least not in the same way the others did); a piece of his consciousness is elsewhere?
About Cloud and Tifa having connected consciousnesses or souls, or 'real' Cloud hitching a ride in her mind - all the Gongaga lifestream memories appear to be from Cloud's point of view, don't they? They're all looking over his shoulder, the water tower memory is focussed on what Tifa says, rather than what Cloud says (you'd think it'd be the other way around if it were Tifa remembering it). Is she seeing Cloud's memories rather than her own?
Also the glitching at the end when Tifa seems to see Aerith both dead and alive - again, like she can see through Cloud's eyes
Even the whale weapon is blue that saves Tifa, whereas the other one is pink. These blue/pink weapons were also shown in the credits. Blue represents Cloud whereas pink represents Aerith
@@Serenemistt
I think the blue weapon is baby sapphire weapon (the same weapon who attacked Junon to protect Tifa in OG)
The pink weapon is baby ultimate weapon I think.
Amazing video! I swear like only yesterday I was remembering the last creepy scene with Jenova mimicking Tifa and breaking the fouth wall, and I also thought that was similar to the image of young Tifa in her trial! If two of us thought the same thing independently, maybe there’s something to it!
Fantastic observations, too. I never noticed the thing about Sonon which makes sense. I also never noticed the reunion flower in Nibelheim. It seems that the trials are packed with riddles. They aren’t simple tearjerkers. Looking forward to what the devs do with it in the next installment.
For instance, I think it would be cool if Sephiroth tried to sow doubt and guilt in Tifa by convincing her that she was an entitled princess who never noticed Cloud and maybe even encouraged bullying him by her friends. While the truth is, that was him who thought the other kids were stupid and picking fights. Which he will tell her in the lifestream as he did in the OG. Sephiroth needs to undermine the trust between them.
Well it's interesting because Jessie asks if Cloud and Tifa were close in Remake before he gets a flashback of young Tifa where she's calling out to him and saying are you ignoring me? The truth is this is a false memory and linked to the jenova cells altering Cloud's memory/perception according to the Remake ultimania. Also what I found interesting was Tifa's pov in her novel, there were times she questioned herself, she is an unreliable narrator, and the ultimate truth in OG is that her and Cloud were never friends or even close to begin with. Ik in the novel they now added in the part of Cloud and her hanging out when they were super young when Thea was alive, but maybe that is also something Tifa may be misremembering? In the novel she contradicts herself, at first she says we used to run back and forth in our homes when we were very young, later she freaks out and realizes while saying, how could she grow up next door to someone and know so little about them? I guess we won't know until things are cleared up in the lifestream 😂
@@Serenemistt oooh, yes, very good point. It would make such a great twist if Tifa turned out to be an unreliable narrator too. The developers can make us feel the same emotions as in OG without repeating the OG twist, given that the shock factor of the original reveal is already lost.
I think “Are you ignoring me” little Tifa is an illusion and we may see in Lifestream that in reality she was just sitting there playing with her friends. I am super interested in how the rest of it is going to play out, too.
Trial Tifa suspiciously acting in a "off" way similar to Ending Aerith has me intrigued
Really interesting theory and well thought out. Thanks, loved watching this.
Oh damn! There were so many details I missed
Wow, fantastic video 👏🏼
These aren't memories or memories from the life stream the life stream. These are key moments in each character's life that caused the most despair.
Sephiroth has a hand to play in all of these, like he says at the end of the game, despair is powerful and is what Sephiroth wants in order to grow more powerful. That is why he wants to merge worlds, to increase and double the despair with every world he merges.
He is trying to break the characters by having them ALL relive thier most traumatic moments.
I can explain everything you just saw. The life stream is not the experiences of people memories but the life stream is the multiverse with infinite numbers of realities. When Tifa, Barrette, Cloud, and Yuffie recalled their dreams, they are really traversing into different realities through their dreams. The multiverse is a known fact not a theory.
Well, the lifestream is memories of the future, present and past, THAT's a fact, and the multiverse is fan theory. But technically we can say that it's the same thing in some sense
Wow! Your analysis is amazing. So many details to be discussed! The reunion flower on the post box creeps me out.
Yea, it's interesting when Tifa spots the flower that Cloud is about to give her in Remake she says something like I can't remember the last time I saw a real one, she also says later that she tried to keep it alive, but now it's dead and buried like the bar, our home, and everything else
Don't mean to be "that guy", but the whole dream idea has so many FFX tie-ins! I would absolutely love it if the worlds from my two favorite FF games were canonically linked.
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Yeah, I must admit I was kinda angry with Tifa's trial starting as kids with Cloud, like damn, is she now going to claim the biggest trauma of her life was child Cloud? Goddamn. Cloud's trial was also pretty weird. The death of Jesse was by no means the worse that happened to him. I have no idea why Sephiroth chose that particular moment. Thanks for the video!
Wait wait wait.... what the did tifa turn to sephiroth at the end? Dont tell me sephiroth use her body to getter information?!!!! What game is it by the way? Will this be the next game remake?
so Tifa is Jenova after all ?
7,777 views as typing this, nice
The Trials are one of the most interesting parts of Rebirth.
Great video nice to see someone actually talk about them XD
I cant decide wheter or not this voice is au generated or a real one
ai
Rip my heart out
Yuffy.
Nope. That’s not Tifa. It’s Genova pretending to be human.
Is this AI?
Fifteen why oh. Nothing like ai voice.
YOU-ffi not YUH-ffi
It’s an AI reader
It's very hard to listen to an ai voice for ten minutes 🤦
Learn how to pronounce Yuffie, please.
That's an AI voice
Юффи