Bach - St John Passion (1725 version) BWV 245 - Jacobs | Netherlands Bach Society

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  • Опубликовано: 23 ноя 2024

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  • @bach
    @bach  Год назад +55

    0:00:11 1. O Mensch, bewein dein Sünde groß (Chor)
    0:06:45 2. Jesus ging mit seinen Jüngern (Rezitativ)
    0:09:07 3. O große Lieb (Choral)
    0:10:10 4. Auf dass das Wort (Rezitativ)
    0:11:10 5. Dein Will gescheh (Choral)
    0:12:15 6. Die Schar aber (Rezitativ)
    0:12:58 7. Von den Stricken meiner Sünden (Arie)
    0:17:29 8. Simon Petrus aber folgete Jesu (Rezitativ)
    0:17:40 9. Ich folge dir gleichfalls (Arie)
    0:21:11 10. Derselbige Jünger (Rezitativ)
    0:23:58 11. Wer hat dich so geschlagen (Choral)
    0:25:53 12. Himmel reiße (Arie)
    0:29:48 13. Und Hannas sandte (Rezitativ)
    0:31:48 14. Zerschmettert mich (Arie)
    0:37:23 15. Petrus, der nicht denkt zurück (Choral)
    0:38:57 Jan Pieterszoon Sweelinck - Toccata a1
    0:40:15 16. Christus, der uns selig macht (Choral)
    0:41:34 17. Da führeten sie Jesum (Rezitativ)
    0:45:58 18. Ach großer König (Choral)
    0:47:40 19. Da sprach Pilatus zu ihm (Rezitativ)
    0:49:31 20. Ach windet euch nicht so (Arie)
    0:54:35 21. Und die Kriegsknechte (Rezitativ)
    1:00:12 22. Durch dein Gefängnis, Gottes Sohn (Choral)
    1:01:16 23. Die Jüden aber schrieen (Rezitativ)
    1:05:18 24. Eilt, ihr angefochtnen Seelen (Arie)
    1:09:41 25. Allda kreuzigten sie ihn (Rezitativ)
    1:11:41 26. In meines Herzens Grunde (Choral)
    1:13:00 27. Die Kriegsknechte aber (Rezitativ)
    1:17:00 28. Er nahm alles wohl in acht (Choral)
    1:18:26 29. Und von Stund an (Rezitativ)
    1:19:42 30. Es ist vollbracht (Arie)
    1:24:44 31. Und neiget das Haupt (Rezitativ)
    1:25:04 32. Mein teurer Heiland (Arie)
    1:28:53 33. Und siehe da (Rezitativ)
    1:29:20 34. Mein Herz indem die ganze Welt (Arioso)
    1:30:13 35. Zerfließe, mein Herze (Arie)
    1:35:51 36. Die Jüden aber (Rezitativ)
    1:37:46 37. O hilf, Christe, Gottes Sohn (Choral)
    1:39:12 38. Darnach bat Pilatum (Rezitativ)
    1:40:57 39. Ruht wohl, ihr heiligen Gebeine (Chor)
    1:48:08 40. Christe, du Lamm Gottes (Choral)

    • @rdbchase
      @rdbchase Год назад

      "More subdued" -- hah! Maybe that is true of the work as a whole, but 'Zerschmettert mich' is exuberant enough; can't get over this aria and 'Ach windet euch nicht so'!

    • @susannahintsala6734
      @susannahintsala6734 Год назад

      😢

    • @nikogrether8551
      @nikogrether8551 7 месяцев назад

      😊

  • @beautyinsound
    @beautyinsound Год назад +93

    This is incredible. I love the slightly steadier tempo of the first movement. Thank you all so much for this x

    • @beautyinsound
      @beautyinsound Год назад +16

      In fact, not just the first movement… it’s all just so beautifully paced. I love this so much

    • @user-74652
      @user-74652 Год назад +5

      Nice to see you here.

    • @gohruikaiethangyss8121
      @gohruikaiethangyss8121 Год назад +1

      didn't know you would be here

    • @ruioliveira6913
      @ruioliveira6913 4 месяца назад +1

      Sim é a assinatura da polifonia de Bach

  • @FlexingClassicalMusic
    @FlexingClassicalMusic 10 месяцев назад +3

    The influence of classical music extends far beyond the concert hall. Its melodies often find their way into modern music, movies, and even commercials, proving that the classics continue to shape our culture and creativity.

  • @makingmusicmusicando685
    @makingmusicmusicando685 Год назад +11

    Congratulations: The Netherlands Bach Society is the best playing Bach. It is like having a great dream. When I be dead… I would like to meet the Bach spirit if God permits me that gift. Soli Deo Honor et Gloria. Maravillosa versión de La Pasión según San Juan.

  • @DailyDoseOfBach
    @DailyDoseOfBach 11 месяцев назад +12

    This 1725 version has become my favourite St John Passion, thanks to this absolute gem of a recording! I've been shamelessly listening to this through Christmas along with other appropriate music 😊
    So many incredible bits I'd like to mention here but to name a few:
    1) Daniel + other soloists! Sooo good
    2) The ending of Kreuzige (soprano semitone). The first time I heard it I was shocked to the core and had to repeat a few times. Mesmerizing!
    3) Aria nro 20, Ach windet euch nicht so -- very beautiful from the very first notes onwards as is Daniel's singing
    4) Really liking the energy and voice of one of the choir sopranos who is sometimes seen in closer camera shots as well, awesome work
    5) Parts 17-27. Especially the Evangelist-Pilatus-Jesus parts are honey to my ears
    6) Orchestra. Absolute professionals in telling the stories by Bach.
    7) Everything

  • @CaptJackAubreyOfTheRoyalNavy
    @CaptJackAubreyOfTheRoyalNavy Год назад +99

    I must say, I prefer the much more dramatic "Herr unser Herrscher" as an opening chorus in the original version. But this is of course excellent too, and an interesting change of pace.

    • @bertspeggly4428
      @bertspeggly4428 Год назад +21

      I wasn't going to say anything, but I agree! "Herr unser Herrscher" is just so magnificent.

    • @phebus2005
      @phebus2005 Год назад +5

      Favoring this version is a shame. Skipping the opening choir, a true masterpiece in itself alone, was probably only a practical decision due to specific circumstances, back in 1725.
      I can hardly imagine Bach disowning his magnificent choir Herr, Unser Herrscher. Obviously, he was asked to forget about it, that year.

    • @ednimed8034
      @ednimed8034 Год назад +5

      @@phebus2005 don't hesitate to share the "specific circumstances" you could imagine or find. To play this version does not mean "favor" it, it is perfectly possible to like both and is absolutely not a shame. Maybe Bach just wanted to try something else and/or avoid to repeat completely the same work... After all, the idea of "finished product" for such works was not really common.. For some different arias (like "Ach windet euch..") I think it was worth to play it.

    • @frederickmenu3140
      @frederickmenu3140 Год назад +1

      Totaly

    • @gfhit7520
      @gfhit7520 Год назад +2

      @@phebus2005 although I also prefer the 'Herr! Unser Herrscher' choir that I find one of the most unique in music ever, that's a highly biased and unfactual reconstruction. Bach was changing stuff all the time, and how can you really believe that he changed the starting choir because someone told him to? The fact that he reused 'O Mensch' for the Matthäus Passion later is a testimony that he held this choir in very high regard.

  • @Lahmacunmatik
    @Lahmacunmatik Год назад +19

    I watched the normal Johannes Passion in Amsterdam, by the same conductor, yesterday! And now I see this video. Amazing.

  • @TheSoteriologist
    @TheSoteriologist Год назад +11

    *Absolutely superb !* Daniel and Robin Johannsen _(the coincidence !)_ and also Alberto Miguélez Rouco are particularly impressive.

  • @igordrm
    @igordrm Год назад +4

    There's something unique in Bach's work... In everything in life, the Universe, nature, whatever... you will find imperfections. Even in nature itself from time to time probability simply make something astray. And that's what puts Bach's music on a different level of anything else that there are. It is simply perfect. The perfection that lies in nature blossom in each and every note. Not only harmony is perfect, everything is also beautiful. And further... his instrumentation, overall sense of form, perfect balance in everything, from motifs to phrases... My jaw will never stop dropping to Bach's music.

  • @darrenfreeman9139
    @darrenfreeman9139 Год назад +6

    This is the most moving piece of music I've ever heard. I cry every time I listen, it's a miraculous piece of art.

  • @mathieub.6544
    @mathieub.6544 Год назад +3

    Deux admirables Johannsen (apparemment sans liens familiaux) !

  • @olly8453
    @olly8453 Год назад +27

    The acoustics in this are just astonishingly magnificent.

    • @ignazioroiter1495
      @ignazioroiter1495 Год назад +2

      Difficile davvero sentire una resa acustica così piena e meravigliosa che restituisce all'interpretazione tutta la potenza del pathos

  • @rembertpliester8408
    @rembertpliester8408 Год назад +6

    Nur Bach gelingt es, mich immer wieder aufs Tiefste zu berühren. Sitze in der Bahn und bin um äußere Fassung bemüht..

  • @olly8453
    @olly8453 Год назад +35

    This is such an absolutely awe-inspiring performance and recording. I'm just blown away by the consistency of quality from Netherlands Bach Society. This group is really raising the bar.

    • @prototropo
      @prototropo Год назад +3

      Yes, I agree, and just love a rapt evening every time I find a fresh release from NBS. They are my current standard for all early music recordings, although William Christie's handling of Rameau astounds me to tears with any work!

  • @darrenfreeman9139
    @darrenfreeman9139 11 месяцев назад +3

    I've listened to this dozens of times. It's so beautiful! It's the best recording on RUclips.

  • @edisonhasso830
    @edisonhasso830 Год назад +23

    This is absolutely amazing, these guys are incredible, it brings tears to my eyes, Bach's music is so satisfying, thank you all that made it possible, high culture indeed.

  • @meijong6453
    @meijong6453 Год назад +3

    So much beautiful transparency. Utter musicality. Incredibly moving moments, hardly bearable for our worldly bodies.

  • @VepresduCommun
    @VepresduCommun Год назад +14

    There is much to enjoy in this masterly performance, including the moments of silence, the beautiful instrumental accompaniment and the soloists. This lesser-known version certainly deserves a top performance like this one!

  • @theprofessorslefthand8618
    @theprofessorslefthand8618 Год назад +2

    I clicked on this expecting to find the other version posted in 2018. How happy I was to find this!

  • @Ben-nh9xw
    @Ben-nh9xw Год назад +11

    What a way to start my day

  • @OscarWilde1124
    @OscarWilde1124 7 месяцев назад +1

    Het beste in zijn soort, ongekend deze uitvoering is van wereldklasse...

  • @mauriciodealencar8496
    @mauriciodealencar8496 Год назад +5

    Bach is proof of the existence of God!

    • @walterkent5574
      @walterkent5574 4 месяца назад

      Bach is proof of the existence of beauty.

  • @НатальяЧеркасова-г8ъ

    Творчество Баха - без преувеличения - подарок для всего человечества.

  • @vos8390
    @vos8390 Год назад +12

    Es ist vollbracht schitterend gezongen❤

  • @hampton4454
    @hampton4454 Год назад +2

    I especially like the production, with the different angles, and close-ups of the performers and the instruments.

  • @jeanchristophecossard7337
    @jeanchristophecossard7337 Год назад +15

    Sublime Interprétation...👍❤️
    Merci.., Dankechen..
    Bach, le plus grand des grands...

  • @manubet100
    @manubet100 Год назад +15

    Ist unmöglisch zu gleichgültig bleiben, So sein Christianisch, Muslim oder Juden, diesem Art von Musik ist einfach sublim und Perfekt! Wahrlich Bach ist ein fünfte Evangelist. Grüsse aus Perú liebe Freunde von AOB!

    • @ynetsv136
      @ynetsv136 Год назад +3

      Bach knew this:
      “Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.” (John 14:6, NASB)

  • @Concert-Improvisation
    @Concert-Improvisation 9 месяцев назад +3

    Danke für die warmherzige Interpretation und Auswahl der Solisten-Stimmen! Die Verbindung zwischen Artikulation und Schwerpunkten im Text ist sehr überzeugend. Angenehme Klarheit im Klang bei Sängern und Instrumentalisten. Danke auch Maestro für die toll gewählten Tempi!

  • @Niptika
    @Niptika 10 месяцев назад +3

    Thank you for this incredible performance!

  • @diegovidal531
    @diegovidal531 Год назад +4

    Greetings from Brazil 🇧🇷

  • @notaire2
    @notaire2 Год назад +28

    Wunderschöne und tiefempfundene Aufführung dieser großartigen und perfekt komponierten Johannes-Passion mit farbenreichen doch perfekt entsprechenden Tönen aller Originalinstrumente sowie gut harmonisierten Stimmen des ausgezeichneten Chors und herrlichen Stimmen aller genialen Solisten. Der intelligente und erfahrene Dirigent leitet das ausgezeichnete Barockorchester im gut analysierten Tempo und mit künstlerisch kontrollierter Dynamik. Erstaunlich, solch eine authentische Tradition der deutschen Barockmusik in den Niederlande so perfekt konserviert ist. Einfach wunderbar!

    • @felixtiggeler341
      @felixtiggeler341 Год назад +13

      Bei der NBS ist das ehrlich gesagt nicht erstaunlich, die sind einfach immer perfekt...

    • @grumbazor
      @grumbazor 9 месяцев назад +4

      @@felixtiggeler341 Die Tonqualität ist Wahnsinn. Bisher hab ich noch keinen anderen Kanal gefunden der da auch nur in die Nähe kommt. Was sehr sehr sehr schade ist und wohl auch viele Menschen vergrault. Klassik in sehr guter Klangqualität ist ein Traum, in subotimaler im besten Falle langweilig. Dieser Kanal hier ist wirklich weltklasse!

  • @josedippolito113
    @josedippolito113 Год назад +5

    Magnifique interprétation ! C’est très priant ! Œuvre musicale profonde ! Merci !🇫🇷🌹🎚🇫🇷🌹🎚🇫🇷🌹🎚🇫🇷🌹🙏🇫🇷🌹🙏🇫🇷🌹🙏🇫🇷

  • @melaniamonicacraciun9900
    @melaniamonicacraciun9900 Год назад +2

    Happy Easter celebrations friends, enjoying the Renaissance spirit we need the most, compared to Jesus's agony, anyone should bear at least this agony..it breaks my heart

  • @wilbertwolfs
    @wilbertwolfs Год назад +2

    Bach heeft muziek gecomponeerd met God in zijn hart.

  • @ungernkhan9764
    @ungernkhan9764 Год назад +3

    Alleluia, Christ is risen!

  • @hannan3487
    @hannan3487 Год назад +8

    Vielen Dank - ihr seid immer wieder hervorragend in Allem (Instrumente/Musiker, Stimmen/Sänger, Interpretion/Dirigent)!

  • @joaopaulokramersens7028
    @joaopaulokramersens7028 Год назад +15

    Amazing! Greetings from Brazil!

  • @supersoggycheese
    @supersoggycheese Год назад +8

    Thanks for this in time for Holy Week!

  • @vincenzogonzini4227
    @vincenzogonzini4227 Год назад +4

    Eccellente orchestra : esecuzione e interpretazione impeccabile . Grande Rene Jacob .

  • @kodebruijn4753
    @kodebruijn4753 8 месяцев назад +1

    prachtig, ook gedaan met het juiste respekt en gevoel, ik denk dit mooier te vinden dan de Mattheus.

  • @quaver1239
    @quaver1239 Год назад +8

    Thank you, thank you, thank you. Wonderful.

  • @sirkkunystrom8911
    @sirkkunystrom8911 Год назад +5

    My first St. John Passion is La Petite Bande conducted by Sigiswald Kuijken from 1990. Rene Jacobs as altus.
    I prefer this one.

  • @Yalonmadar
    @Yalonmadar Год назад +16

    Thank you for this wonderful gift for Passover / Easter.
    Daniel Johansson since you were in Tel Aviv for Heine Schbertiada, I’ve been following your work and I’m so glad you’re leading this extraordinary oratorio. Bless you all

    • @annaandrushkevich8538
      @annaandrushkevich8538 7 месяцев назад

      I've been doing the same since he once performed in Moscow. And if it were not for horrible things happening now, he would definitely come again. The best possible evangelist, it looks like Bach's soul has taught him to show us her true feelings.

  • @MyEarlyMusic
    @MyEarlyMusic Год назад +4

    Incredible performance, sound, camera. Strong impression.

  • @ТатьянаЧебанова-ж1л

    Музыка Баха - Дар Небес! Спасибо за совершенство!

  • @SUMAKARU
    @SUMAKARU Год назад +7

    This is the first time I've heard this version of the St John Passion performed so beautifully. I was impressed. thank you.

  • @vaughangarrick
    @vaughangarrick Год назад +3

    Beautiful and intimate performance

  • @Qbm2109
    @Qbm2109 Год назад +1

    Congratulations to all violinists!!! They can sit down again!!!

  • @PaulVanBladel
    @PaulVanBladel 11 месяцев назад +1

    World class. A source of inspiration.

  • @sharpjs
    @sharpjs Год назад +6

    One can really hear how the absence of the crowd affects the acoustics.

  • @thinkbaroque
    @thinkbaroque Год назад +7

    Magnificent performance!

  • @stephanebelizaire3627
    @stephanebelizaire3627 Год назад +2

    Wonderful Music Forever, Laus Deo !

  • @scottf2199
    @scottf2199 Год назад +6

    Such a wonderful treat for this Holy Week! I loved the use of the lute in this rendition.

  • @miltonjota8114
    @miltonjota8114 7 месяцев назад +1

    Obra prima.

  • @lenaN5k8Q9
    @lenaN5k8Q9 Год назад +9

    Very beautiful performance🍃thank you

  • @fredericdomino9727
    @fredericdomino9727 Год назад +2

    Bach has the power to project us out of time. Thank you for this captivating emotion.

  • @shin-i-chikozima
    @shin-i-chikozima Год назад +2

    Bach is the stronghold of my soul

  • @cardipiano
    @cardipiano Год назад +3

    Thank you for existing ! A magnificent performance for a magnificent work.
    This "Himmel reiße" was perfectly balanced.

  • @thisistopsy
    @thisistopsy Год назад +7

    Another splendid and massive work executed finely. Congratulations and wish you NBS all the best!

  • @gfhit7520
    @gfhit7520 Год назад +3

    I don't know if it's a coincidence or a deliberate choice from Jacobs' part, but it's uncanny how the alto's voice is similar to his own young one!

  • @cstiska
    @cstiska Год назад +7

    ¡¡¡Ha sido un placer señores!!!

  • @MrThomasPinch
    @MrThomasPinch Год назад +5

    Thank you for this wonderful performance.

  • @gerdwund5628
    @gerdwund5628 Год назад +7

    This is so beautiful. Thank you so much NBS.

  • @ivangarciabajobasssinger6317
    @ivangarciabajobasssinger6317 Год назад +2

    Beautiful version. Greetings from Buenos Aires, Argentina.

  • @norikosuto6393
    @norikosuto6393 Год назад +3

    Thank you so much for this beautiful perfornace for this holy week!

  • @angelbueno4215
    @angelbueno4215 4 месяца назад

    Muchas gracias por este gran concierto. Gran institución la Netherlands Bach Society. Magnifica recreación de los instrumentos y maravillosa acústica, canto, coros y dirección. Desde España con amor.

  • @herminioteixeira5921
    @herminioteixeira5921 Год назад +4

    É maravilhoso assistir este vídeo, e maravilhoso também é constatar que, em algumas partes do mundo, algumas tradições cristãs lembradas e exercidas.

  • @rafikbaladi6555
    @rafikbaladi6555 Год назад +2

    This was such a delightful but serious performance of this glorious Bach's invention. An original portrait from the author

  • @gaiteromayor
    @gaiteromayor Год назад +3

    Sublime interpretation!

  • @migueldelafuente4607
    @migueldelafuente4607 Год назад +5

    This recording is incredible (both video and sound), you guys are always improving your content

  • @Artist_Aejoo
    @Artist_Aejoo Год назад +3

    So very Beautiful ❤
    Thank you for sharing 😍😍😍

  • @BorisDavidyuk
    @BorisDavidyuk Год назад +5

    What a beautiful performance, continuo section does marvellous job especially in recits. Not sure about the necessity of such scrupulous halts at fermatas in chorales though.

  • @gonzalopanadero3479
    @gonzalopanadero3479 Год назад +4

    Thanks for this beautiful and original music.

  • @olga_creek6920
    @olga_creek6920 Год назад +5

    Thank you very much :) the chorals are beautifully sung!

  • @lordchameleon2650
    @lordchameleon2650 Год назад +10

    From 33:58 "Zerschmettert mich" reminded me of a melody Schubert would write. It sounds like something from romantic era. This is the first time I am hearing this aria. Bach accidentally stepped into a time machine writing this part :D

  • @fernandosoares5812
    @fernandosoares5812 Год назад +5

    Não conheço esta versão, embora soubesse que Bach "voltou" várias vezes à "Paixão segundo S.João". Esta forma, tão intima e delicada, de interpretar JSBach que "Netherlande Bach Society" nos oferece é tão amável e tão singular que nem sei o que vos dizer. Um muitissimo obrigado por divulgar esta versão e, porque estamos em tempo de Páscoa (tempo da primavera, da renovação, tempo de ouvir as grandes obras de Bach), desejo-voa, a vós Netherlands Bach Society, uma BOA PÁSCOA!

  • @PORIO171
    @PORIO171 Год назад +8

    Exicted to see both versions!

  • @judithwhitehouse2149
    @judithwhitehouse2149 Год назад +4

    Just amazing - thank you!

  • @anderslangoks3813
    @anderslangoks3813 Год назад +1

    Thank you and Happy Easter.

  • @jonnattanbarreiro3098
    @jonnattanbarreiro3098 Год назад +2

    Thank, amazing greeting from Uruguay

  • @maron3008
    @maron3008 Год назад +5

    すばらしい!

  • @nikolaicoco333
    @nikolaicoco333 Год назад +1

    Danke schön!!! Bamberg

  • @laurentcourcol9653
    @laurentcourcol9653 Год назад +1

    magnifique et bouleversant.

  • @claudiosironi7591
    @claudiosironi7591 Год назад +1

    Really fantastic performance and recording ! Bravo.

  • @hundingwelser
    @hundingwelser Год назад +1

    yeah, great perfomance

  • @ソラマメ-l2w
    @ソラマメ-l2w Год назад +3

    I’m so surprised!!!!!

  • @barroco05
    @barroco05 Год назад +3

    Vielen Dank!

  • @antoniosannicolas3286
    @antoniosannicolas3286 Год назад

    Excelente realización técnica, sonido y cámaras ymezclas

  • @jimenahuenchupan6026
    @jimenahuenchupan6026 Год назад +1

    Hermosa musica amo a Bach ❤

  • @ariadne4720
    @ariadne4720 Год назад +1

    I absolutely love the St. Matthew Passion by NBS. Superb. But for me, at least at this point in my life, this work, The St John Passion, and this 1725 Version, absolutely pulls at my heart from beginning to end. Sublime. And under the horrors of the pandemic, the Netherlands Bach Society really outdid themselves (which is difficult to do :) The voicing, dynamics, tempi, clarity, simply everything is perfection, and more than that, it cannot fail to touch your heart with hope, anger, sorrow, reconciliation, and joy. (I am an atheist by the way and have been since I was a young child, which is no barrier at all to Bach's wonderful sacred music)

  • @unquietthoughts
    @unquietthoughts Год назад +3

    Nice!

  • @ViRrOorR
    @ViRrOorR Год назад

    Love it at 7:50 when they go jesus, JEsus, jesus from nasareet! its so dramatic love it

  • @rosaus6
    @rosaus6 Год назад +3

    ❤️❤️❤️

  • @phebus2005
    @phebus2005 Год назад +2

    I think it’s a shame to favor this version.
    Skipping the opening choir, yet again a huge masterpiece, was probably only a practical decision due to specific circumstances, back in 1725.
    I can hardly imagine Bach disowning his magnificent choir Herr, Unser Herrscher. Obviously, he was asked to forget about it, that year.

    • @candideella282
      @candideella282 Год назад

      Tout comme étaient spécifiques les circonstances en 2021...

  • @jaspernatchez
    @jaspernatchez Год назад +3

    The St John without the magnificent opening chorus is unimaginable. I don't believe it.

    • @bach
      @bach  Год назад +1

      One year after the first performance (1725) of the St John Passion, the work was performed again. For this quick reprise, Bach made some fundamental changes to the piece, for example a new opening chorus: ‘O Mensch, bewein dein Sünde groβ’, which he also used later in the St Matthew Passion. So there are several versions..

    • @jaspernatchez
      @jaspernatchez Год назад

      @@bach I understand that's what you believe. A composer knows when he's achieved magnificence, and the opening chorus of THE St. John is exactly that. Bach wouldn't just willy-nilly replace it. I don't know, perhaps he had to come up with an opening chorus as you suggest due to practical constraints for a particular performance, but that should not be considered a "version" and that isn't "some fundamental changes to the piece", implying that those changes were intended to be permanent, as composers sometimes do (the instance that comes to mind in Schumann, at Clara's insistence, replacing the mediocre original last movement of the Gm piano sonata with the current, magnificent movement). I love your performances and am a subscriber, however I believe what you do here is a travesty.

    • @bach
      @bach  Год назад +3

      The facts are that Bach produced versions of the St John Passion in 1725, 1732, 1739 and 1749 that differ in parts from that of 1724.

    • @jaspernatchez
      @jaspernatchez Год назад +1

      @@bach That's fine. I have no idea of the extent of or reasons for their diversions. Composers often go back to old pieces because something was bugging them and they need to fix it. I cannot believe that to be the case with what you present here, which I believe is a grave disservice to Bach.

    • @jaspernatchez
      @jaspernatchez Год назад

      @@bach Let me ask you a question. Do you believe Bach intended two of his most major works to share an opening chorus?

  • @corinaijac4381
    @corinaijac4381 Год назад

    Nicht nur das Vorgeschriebene, sondern auch das Eigene; gfunden; Jesu' Entsagen und Schmerz und...das heutige.

  • @ursulapainter5307
    @ursulapainter5307 Год назад

    That which is borne of the Holy Spirit, indeed.

  • @dianelabbe801
    @dianelabbe801 Год назад

    Das ist wunderschon

  • @stanio2002
    @stanio2002 Год назад +2

  • @dzuschin
    @dzuschin Год назад +4

    The fermatas in the chorales!! For the last fifty years conductors of Baroque ensembles have ignored them. I like them but I thought scholarly consensus was that they were not performed as a hold on the note. You won't hear them in any recordings by Gardiner, Suzuki, Koopman, etc. etc.

    • @CaptJackAubreyOfTheRoyalNavy
      @CaptJackAubreyOfTheRoyalNavy Год назад

      I love them, as well as the slow tempo for the chorales. You can really bask in the harmony that way. I hate when Bach chorales are too fast. The conductors you listed are usually very good about that, as well as Karajan.