Learn everything about the Behringer 2600 here: ruclips.net/p/PLlJvIUzIwQ79naxyNxNQnNEj_KcmHp5D5 Get started with the Behringer 2500 Eurorack System: ruclips.net/p/PLlJvIUzIwQ7-c3uoCt82TRo2a_IZmYjCJ ARP 2600 and Behringer 2600 Videos: ruclips.net/p/PLlJvIUzIwQ7-i8ycRAQNnYcPmADP9quhE Happy patching! Ralph
Excellent video sir! Great production and clear descriptions and examples. It always amazes me how people who (presumably) have learned English as a second language can be so articulate, often times eclipsing us lazy native speakers. Thank you for this great content! Subscribed and Liked, enthusiastically!
Thank you very much for your kind feedback which I consider a nice compliment. I have learned English as a second language at school. When I shoot my videos I try to speak in a way that everyone is able to understand what I am trying to convey. I am also grateful that you gave me some feedback on the overall video production. That's very valuable information, so I know that I am moving into the right direction. Thanks for watching and for your support. Greetings, Ralph
First-english speakers speak sloppily because they assume everyone understands them. Second-english speakers speak articulately because they assume nobody understands them.
I got to see and play an original ARP 2600, once, think it was the later grey meanie version, the keyboard was not connected but somehow I got it to self-oscillate, then the magic appeared, the guitar guys working the store were wondering how the heck I got it to work w/out the keyboard, it was a magnificent vintage machine, w/that magnificent vintage price tag and also realizing I would have no way to know if all the components worked properly and if they did not, to have one repaired costs vintage repair prices, if you can even find someone who can properly repair such an instrument. Been looking at many synths, have had many synths, this Behringer tribute seems to be the one I'm looking for, don't care if it's musical, just want to visit outer space; great video, thanks so much.
There's some magic emanating from the original ARP 2600. But nevertheless the B2600 is a good clone to get this kind magic for a reasonable price. Cheers, Ralph
And this is what it comes down to for most people and especially, most artists that just want to make music; the astronomically priced (before adding any servicing) originals with the original sound and VS the affordable and practical (MIDI) brand new, clones/copies/re-issues/whatever with a sound that is close, but not exactly there. Unless you have a money tree in your backyard or are a successful artist/film score person etc, you ain't going to spend 10grand on an old 2600.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I totally agree with you! The price of the B2600 is almost to good to let this Synth pass by. Provided that you are interested in a semi modular Synthesizer. Have a great day, Ralph
In the big picture, few will notice much difference and it's hard to justify the cost based on that alone. Had I not acquired my analog gear back when it was dirt cheap I wouldn't own any now. I had two 2600s. One I paid $250 along with Tascam cassette 4-track. The second was $500 at a university sale. Still own one but haven't touched it since getting into eurorack.
@@RalphBaumgartl The 90s were heaven for those seeking out analogy gear! I got two MS-20s and an MS-10 for $150 each. Got a Jupiter-6 for free and another for $500. ARP Avatar for $200. TB-303 and TR-606 for $60 and $40. Blue SH-101 for $200. TR-808 $450. So many amazing deals. Still have all of these except one of the JP-6s. Both 2600s needed some work which was done by Phil Cirocco of CMS who lived in my town. Both had the nice gray panel. I kept the older one with the Moog-style filter.
@Precarious333 Music Your remaining ARP 2600 must be working perfectly because you had it serviced by Phil Cirocco. I believe your 2600 is in much better shape than mine ;-) You were pretty lucky that Phil Cirocco was living in your town. I was also lucky that and old friend gave me some gear for free, because he was buying a Korg Kronus and just wanted to get rid off his old bulky gear ;-) Over the years I was always asking him whether he wanted to have it back, but he told me that he had all the sounds he needed in his Korg workstation. Best regards, Ralph
Thank you, Ralph! I'm considering right now the purchase of a Behringer 2600. Your demo/comparison here -- as well as in your earlier video -- has convinced me that I should get one. This new Behringer clone may not sound identical to your original ARP 2600 synthesizer, but it does sound very good. I appreciate the extras that Behringer has included and, of course, the attractive price. Again, thanks.
Yes, that's up to the musicians choice and workflow. I believe the 2600 and Odyssey compliment each other nicely, especially if you plan to take them on a live gig. Greetings, Ralph
I like the original a bit more too. It just seems thicker and the filters are more musical or interesting. Maybe there’s more harmonic content or something , hard to describe. It’s more present, upfront, and more aggressive. Also yes it’s a little more analog sounding , organic is a good word for it. It sounds more vintage I think, where the behringer sounds more modern. And really some tracks I may actually prefer the behringer depending on the sonic landscape. That said I love the behringer too (never thought I’d say that lol) and will be buying one in the future. To be able to have something that sounds so good and capable for so cheap is just amazing. I think they did a fantastic job on the b2600.
I thought my Baramoog D was a super faithful clone of the Model D and sounded fantastic (which it does) but when I played a real one... you can tell. Maybe it's just the feel of all the bigger knobs and stuff IDK.
The way it warms up and goes out of tune and stuff... And it's so solid and heavy for a 300 clone. It's got great sound and feel, but yeah can't beat the real deal.
I remember a video with the main engineer who designed the Behringer clone and he said he “improved” the circuit, such as making it more stable for one, which was a mistake in my opinion. Unstable vcos are what make vintage synths sound organic and fat.
Great Review Videos! I have a friend who owns a vintage 2600 that is in great need of repair. The vintage model has many issue including components incased in epoxy which are next to impossible to repair plus. I own 2 highly sought after vintage synths that require constant repair it seems. So happy to see these wonderful synths revitalized and faithfully reproduced as new units. I visited Syntaur earlier this year and got to see and hear the Korg release of the Arp 2600. I believe the B2600 is a great starting point for anyone before considering the way more expensive full size version. Especially if you are new to analog synthesis. Great learning tool. In fact my friend's vintage ARP 2600 came from a school where he taught.
Hello Bill, thanks for sharing this. You are right, maintaining Vintage Synths is a rather expensive endeavor. Getting my Korg PS-3100 serviced will come at a hefty price. Therefore I constantly keep on postponing this project 😉 The B2600 is an excellent way to get started in vintage analog Synth world. Greetings, Ralph
Both of them sound great to me, Ralph, you lucky fellow. It's great to hear them played side by side. I would certainly buy myself one of the Behringer 2600s, but I'm running out of space in my music room.
Hello Stephen, yes the price of the B2600 is almost to good to let it pass by. Perhaps you want to get rid off some other gear to make space for the B2600 in your studio ;-) Cheers, Ralph
I totally agree..the ARP 2600 has a unique 'flavour' and the presence of a spring reverb tank adds a richness to the sound. I love it. But for a pleb like me I think I am stuck choosing a Behringer 2600 or Korg M - both immensely great bang for the buck I have to say and gets you in the 'ballpark" I guess. Behringer has been the centre of a great deal of controversy of late but they just keep bringing the classics back to people ..legends of synthesis, that don't sound half bad. I'm kind of glad they do this regardless of the moral peril involved LOL Korg has been killing it too...they have been innovating new offerings along with the Korg mini 700S and the ARPs of old. Their quality is excellent. Thanks ever so much for your vidies- I very much enjoy them! I am now sub'd.
Hello Mark, thank you for your support. I am glad you are enjoying my videos. I guess most people must have noticed the "controversy" lately. Anyway, from reading all the comments on my recent videos, I have come to the conclusion that the attitude and discussion has become somewhat more factual and less emotional recently. Perhaps I am going to make a video about this development....Have a good week, Ralph
there is something magical about these old synths that doesnt come over youtube well.. you mentioned it though... the raw energy and slightly untamed feel they have.. I have many old synths and my new ones do seemed 'tamed' in comparison.. my sw 5u seems closest.
Yes you are absolutely right! I also get this magical feeling when I play with my vintage Oberheim OB-1! Thank you for watching and for sharing your thoughts. Greetings, Ralph
Honest. Very nice and fair comparison. Thanks. I do not have a vintage unit though I have wanted one for years. I cannot justify $4000 US for the full size Korg reissue. Nor can I spend $2500 on the soon to be released mini Korg unit. So for $600 I can get a reasonable 2600 clone that I can play. Yep, it's not a vintage 2600, but I am OK with "close".
Thank you for your kind feedback. Here in Germany the Korg 2600 M is already available for pre-order at a price of 1799.- Euros. Therefore I don't think that the US$ price in the USA will be as high as 2500,- US$. But it's great that we have a lot of choices nowadays. Thank you for watching! Ralph
@@RalphBaumgartl You are correct. I got the price wrong. It is about $1800 US. That is without keyboard. I agree, 4 great versions of this synth at different price points. It's a good time for synth lovers. Lots of great synths over a huge range of prices and features. And Euro rack gives us even more possibilities over poly and semi modular mono units.
Check out my latest video on the Blue Marvin ruclips.net/video/_ozBi75uSWQ/видео.html The spring reverb sounds very good in my personal opinion. Thanks for your support! Ralph
Thx a lot Ralph for this video , as usual , sound good , very well explain , and a logic end philosophy ....really appreciate your videos...so thank you and have music everyday
The tell-tale way to check the 4012 filter is to FM it at audio rate to get the formant "ooh-wow" - it's hardwired to osc2 already. Simply a) switch osc2 to audio rate, b) raise filter resonance into self-oscillation c) increase the third mod slider of the filter in conjunction with osc and filter tuning and you're there. There's only so much that squirting around with an EG can tell...but FM is vast. And that upper-midrange 'click' on the BARP (heard @7:30 -8:00) would drive me nuts. This is because the real 2600 always slews response at the attack stage. Further, the 4012 can get into Buchla territory because of this slew 'slop' - it behaves a bit drunkedly like a vactrol when 'pinged'. And so heavenly wood-block and mallet timbres await thee.
The original sounds way better to me but that's no surprise. Every new analog synth I get is just too bright, especially in the high notes. I absolutely LOVE the size and feel of the original. You see it from across the room and immediately want to go to it. I'm not drawn to a rack module. That being said, I'll admit this is the best bang for your buck Behringer.
Yes, the B2600 offers extremely good value for a "relatively" small price tag. But nevertheless the original ARP 2600 Synth is a totally different experience....
That brightness is what concerns me about Behringer gear. Every piece of Behringer gear I bought over the past few years has been sold. None of the pieces sounded right in the mix
The stability and precision of the modern components just don’t sound as warm. Smt parts just sound more sterile and harsh than vintage components time after time. Someday they might learn.
my fav Odyssey patch is two pulse width with adsr modulation....., I was really excited to see this on B2600, and how you highlighted it in the first patch. Cant wait to get mine here in the states. Now I will have 4 osc as the KOddy will drive the B2600 via cv/gate/trigger
Hello Pitch, modulating the pulse width is such a nice feature on any Synth. It's so cool the you can do this with two VCO's on the B2600. Greetings from Germany, Ralph
Thank you! I am glad you found my video helpful. It's great that we have lots of choices regarding the 2600. So everyone will find his or her perfect match ;-) Have a nice weekend, Ralph
Hi Ralph. As always, you provide a high quality video with an excellent comparison of the two machines. Unfortunately, I was not in a position to buy a 2600 in the 80s, or more especially a Synthi/VCS3. I saw a video interview a couple of years ago where Daniel Miller told how he paid 300 UK pounds for a Synthi 100 from the University of East Anglia (in my home town!) - I nearly cried. I would not pay $10000 now for an original 2600, partly way more than I could justify, and also concerns about the wear and tear/maintenance. So, given my choice between no 2600, and the B2600, which, as you have demonstrated, comes close to an original with appropriate patching, I will choose to get a B2600, especially since they announced the Blue Marvin and Grey Meanie versions. The new Korg mini 2600 looks interesting, but still is nearly three times the price of the B2600. Given the lack of availability of the B2600 now, I expect there will be plenty of comparison videos before I need to choose. Apologies for the very long ramble, and thank you for your great content.
Thank you so much for your kind and supportive feedback. You are right, the probable maintenance cost of a vintage Synth is always an issue. I am currently experiencing some problems with the Voltage Processor of my original ARP2600. Luckily I can use the Voltage Processor of the B2600 as some kind of an external module for the ARP2600. I am wondering whether the cost of repairing the Voltage Processor of the ARP2600 is less than the price of a new B2600 ;-) Thanks again for watching my videos. Have a great weekend, Ralph
Good video! At $599 US (and 4-6 months of waiting), I plan to buy the BARP 2600 to go with my all-Moog, all-semi-modular rig (Matriarch, Grandmother, 2x Mother 32's & DFAM). Korg has the KARP 2600M coming to the stores, but the $1,799 US price tag is a bit too much to swallow. Thanks for providing the demos...
I really don't think the price is unreasonable considdered these are not "just" virtual analog reissues. It is "Real" analog circuitries. There is propably not very many that are willing and/or able to pay 10-20k for the refurbished originals, but 2-3k for a really good reissue is still within the grasp of a person not made completely of money. And I think its interesting to see the trends of many old analog synths being reissued with more modern analog circuits. I agree that I also think paying 2-5000 $ for some of these reissued analog synths is a tad too much compared to how narrow their use is and how much more you get with a well constructed "virtual" analog remake no matter if its eg a Kronos or a computer based system. But if Analog sound is your thing primarily I think you get pretty close to the originals at a much more afordable price and less headacke about it breaking down on you. I'm just waiting on Yamaha to reissue the CS-80 in a lighter weight version :)
@mrdali67 thank you for sharing your thoughts on this matter. I believe that comments like yours help other user, who are still thinking about how to best move forward, to make up their mind. Greetings, Ralph
KARP2600 for under $2K is an absolute steal...the closest to a proper time machine synth as any massed-produced synth today or at any other time. I paid $3K for my '71 Tonus 2600 about a dozen yrs ago, and another $1500-$2K in maintenance+mods. And _that_ was well worth every penny/minute of trouble. A new one for under $2K is just bonkers. my 2600 economy goes: One KARP is worth 10 BARP. Two KARP is worth one o.g. 2601. And the G(ray)-Clef 2600 is worth three KARP. A pre-G-clef (Tonus-logo) is priceless, with no substitute but for making the jump to the 2500.
Great comparison, thank you. Have subscribed. :) One thing I noticed, on the bass patches, the attack on the behringer sounds a bit 'clicky' almost like a digital sample being cutoff, that sort of sound. Your original ARP 2600 even when set snappily showed no such behaviour. On the Behringer do you think this can be avoided just with a ever so slightly slower attack time? From your video I certainly do prefer the sound of the original, but I agree with your conclusion, for most people most budgets the original isn't worth the current asking prices if you don't already have one. I was given a Roland Jupiter 4 many years ago, with minor issues, and another Jupiter 4 which was ok electronically but physically damaged, so quite easily a good unit could be made from the two. Would I buy one for their current price? No, at least not for me.
Thanks a lot for watching and for your support. Play around with the Time Factor switches of the ADSR/AR section. Various settings may reduce the "perceived" click sound. Classic Synths ultimately require more or less intensive maintenance work and this can be pretty costly. One should always bear this in mind before buying a vintage Synth. Greetings, Ralph
I have to say, I actually preferred the sound of the Behrenger. The filter was dramatically better, with a much better and more musical response. And I preferred the Behrenger reverb as well, which is a much more versatile effect that goes from subtle to dramatic, whereas the spring reverb is much less effective. The other additions and improvements in reliability, size, features, MIDI and, of course, cost all also favor the Behrenger. As a collectible item, the ARP might be better, but as an instrument, the Behrenger is a clear winner.
@@RalphBaumgartl What about the size of the Behringer? The smaller sliders etc? I mean, that actually was a problem with the Model D (Which I have) (As Starsky Carr talked about in his comparison with Behringer Model D and orginal Minimoog) where it was very diffictult to "fine tune" with some of the very small knobs, which indirectly impacted the sound you got and "how it felt" when tweaking it (easier to get to the "Good spot" on the original). Is that less of a problem when it is sliders and not knobs?
@Magnus Lööv I personally think that Behringer has hit the sweet spot with the size of the B2600. The overall size is compact yet the sliders are big enough to allow for accurate adjustments. Greetings, Ralph
@@Magnus_Loov The Model D was compromised a bit to make it Euro-rack compatible. With the Poly-D, Behrenger was able to make it a little smaller than the original, but still comfortable.
@@geoffk777 Unfortunately that one has some unnecessary extras that drives up the price for me (and I already have the Poly D). I don't need another keyboard, a rack version would be great. I also think the 4 oscillators AND Juno Chorus is total overkill. All I hear is demos where, if put into a mix, it sounds totally muddy. The Minimoog can already be problematic in many cases in a mix. I have other Synths that do the pads and/or sounds with great chorus on them (wiithout the Moog already wide/fat soudning VCO:s). I mean listen to, the otherwize great, MrFirechild demo of it. To me the song was a total mudfest. ruclips.net/video/96V2PZ_1T44/видео.html Yes, you could ignore the "extras", but I don't want to pay "extra" for something I wasn't looking for in the first place! Yes, I can see that it still great value for money for some people who don't have access to Polysounds in the Juno (but not really still) vain. Or have something that sounds really impressive alone on its own. I mean, a Minimoog (with keyboard) for that price (without the extras) is something that would have been someting to almost kill for, before Behringer started their mission of releasing cheap versions of vintage gear in, what was it, 2018?
Excellent. Thanks for posting this. I was listening without watching so I couldn't see when you switched synths. The only part where I thought there was a significant difference was the reverb. I owned a Great British Spring for many years and there's a way that spring reverbs "load-up" that digital modeling never captures IMO. Having said that, if I do get a B2600, I could easily put together a spring reverb if I felt I needed that sound.
Thank you for watching and giving me your feedback. You could also go for one of the upcoming Behringer Blue Marvin or Gray Meanie. They feature a Spring Reverb. Best regards, Ralph
@@RalphBaumgartl the new versions are interesting. Could the new features overcome my preference for the looks and colour-coded LEDs of the basic model? 😀
For the price of an original 2600 you could buy ... about 17 Behringer 2600 standard models or maybe 14 of their Blue Marvin/Gray Meanie versions. I think you could get a pretty powerful/raw sound out of that! I've always wanted a 2600 (and an Odyssey, and a Solina, and ...). I was much more into the ARP line of synths than Moog's. I've got two ARP Axxes and their sequencer, all of which need refurbishing. Even the lowly Axxe sounds amazing, but if you're going into vintage gear you've got to really have some $$ to keep them running. Even then you've got to be able to find someone who knows what they're doing (surprisingly not very easy to find locally). The Behringer 2600 is perfectly capable of doing great things. I'm sure the Korg 2600 mini will too. Also, don't forget there's also the Antonus 2600 too. They also make the Antonus Step Brother, a cool blend of the ARP sequencer and Little Brother.
Thank you for sharing your personal experience with vintage Synths. I totally agree with you, Vintage Synthesizers are a costly and often difficult matter to have them well maintained. BTW, I also preferred ARP's slider panel and sound over the Moog stuff. Have a great week, Ralph
Some points: The ARP in this video has way less bass and almost as if a high pass filter has been added. Is the machine in spec as I do not recall my original ARP having such less bass. But that is from memory as I sold it many years ago. The Behringer rips it to pieces in the low end. Adjust the EQ and cut off the lower end and the Behring sound a lot more similar to the Original here but not exactly. I would be curious how the original compares against the new Korg reissue though. Second point the Meanie versions have an actual "real" spring reverb and are not much more expensive than the basic Behringer model. Not sure though how well they compare on the reverbs though. The bass differences though are pretty noticeable on a decent system.
Hello, I have made a video comparing the spring reverb of the Blue Marvin to the spring reverb of the ARP 2600 ruclips.net/video/RtC6bFADwys/видео.html
I saw the reverb you linked but that test still is inconclusive as you are comparing very different sounds. The bass difference I mentioned is still very much there between the two machines and going to be a significant bias. Again I am curious what the Korg ARP will compare like against the OG and Behringer.
@@shamuscoghlan_807 I wouldn't call it inconclusive. My ARP 2600 is more than four decades old, has never been serviced and contains aged components. And this is overall package is compared to a new clone. People can decide for themselves. BTW, I patched the (same) sounds by ear. I did not use an oscilloscope.
@@RalphBaumgartl So you basically validate my points and question on where I said your video shows the OG Arp has less bass and I questioned if it was out of spec. As I mentioned I do not recall my OG Arp I used to own being so anemic on bass. You can not compare something that is likely out of spec and think it is a valid test. In what world does that even come close to valid? That is like saying my 2006 Porsche 911 setup for racing is better than the new one because I like how smooth it rides, well ignoring the fact the coil overs had been broken for 20 years. I appreciate the effort you took to do the videos and I am not trying to attack you, but just rather point out the obvious errors here. Do I miss the OG Arp (hell yes), would I buy another again? Likely not as todays vintage stuff has gone insane in prices and in many cases the re-issues are better.
@@shamuscoghlan_807 I wouldn't rule out that you are right. But humans are biased when it comes to the perception of their own senes (hearing, sight). It could also be that the video and audio compression has an impact. My ARP is one of the later models of around 1978. I am not trying to make a scientific comparison but just to showcase the old and new alongside each other. And I personally believe it's justified to compare an old Porsche to a new one. I personally prefer manual transmission therefore I guess I am subconsciously biased against automatic transmission 😉
Thanks-super helpful comparison and I appreciate you kindly sharing your opinion as well! Quite a bargain for you to have obtained the mighty original in the way you've described!
Hello Sean, I never thought that my original ARP 2600 would increase in value so dramatically over the years. Guess I made the right purchase decision back then ;-) I am glad you found my video helpful! Cheers, Ralph
That real spring sound is way more alive sounding. As someone said just get a separate real spring reverb and the beyringer You can pick up old HH amp heads cheap and just use the spring reverb on a send.
And for those who don't know it yet: Behringer is goiong to release the 2600 Blue Marvin and Gray Meanie version. Those have a mechanical spring reverb on board. Thank you for watching and have a great day, Ralph
have to agree about the original. For me old analogue synths have something else, like a fine wine they get better with age, which in my opinion gives an extra dimension to the sounds produced
And in my personal opinion the size of the old vintage Synths from the 1970s emanate a cool SciFi vibe in which the future was laying glittering ahead...just my personal opinion 😉 Greetings, Ralph
Yes that's the sound of slowly dying components. Not that an original one sounds great right now. It will need to be recapped, resoldered with replacement parts and cleaned eventually though.
I enjoyed your video and you speak more fluent English than many folks whose 1st language is English----- I just recently saw a Behringer video exclaiming that their 2600 now has spring reverb, or, I wonder if that is just the blue and/or gray painted models? I am with you on the perception that older analog synths have a grit and a dirty sound; I still have a Roland sh3a and PAiA modular, both purchased in the early eighties. Thanks for posting- and I did just subscribe.
Thank for watching, subscribing and for sharing your thoughts. According to my knowledge the Blue Marvin and Gray Meanie were prototypes with state of the art component of 1971. Allegedly they were too expensive for mass serial production. Behringer says it wants to stay true to the original design of the Blue Marvin and Gray Meanie, thus they also have a mechanical Spring Reverb instead of digital one. Thank you for your compliment on my English language "skills". I am just trying to make it audible and easy to listen to for anyone in the world ;-) Have a great day, Ralph
Preordered my Grey Meanie from Sweetwater, just waiting for it to ship now. This summer is the ETA, my guess is about the same time this year that the Yellow Behringer TD-3 launched last year?
@@RalphBaumgartl Ramses told me to expect this summer maybe May or June(keeping my hopes up) I think the preorder went up this year around the same time the yellow TD-3s popped up last year...
The original ARP 2600 has developed some issues lately and it requires a maintenance service. But the cost of doing this might buy you a few more B2600s ;-)
It’s really very difficult to compare them exactly because how can you be sure that all of the controls are in exactly the same positions? Even from unit to unit - especially with the original - there is some variability.
Hello Mike, yes it's an approximation! But I believe it's good enough to help people to make up their mind. And finally it depends on everyone's individual taste and preference! Cheers, Ralph
There is (almost) no 'exactly' with regards to ~50-yr old synths, either. The tolerances of old components were vast. This was mitigated by calibration at the factory, but over time things drift and degrade. Unless you know a tech that can calibrate against original reference material it's a shot in the dark knowing what a 2600 is 'supposed to sound like' all by itself (and not guessing vs a recording).
@@shaft9000 When it comes to analog synths, perhaps it’s just my poor ear, but I believe that with setting the controls appropriately, you can make one synth sound like virtually any other assuming similar components (number and type of oscillators, filters, etc.). Software emulations are now getting so good that in a blind “taste test” I’m pretty sure that you wouldn’t be able to distinguish it from hardware. Additionally, software makes a number of things possible that hardware just can’t do. If you look at the actual architecture, many high end synths since the mid-2000s are just special purpose computers.
Guten Abend, den Keystep benutze ich als Midi Interface für den originalen ARP 2600, da dieser keinen eigenen Midi Anschluss hat. Der Behringer 2600 hat bereits einen eigenen Midi Port. Diesen kontrolliere ich über mein Midi Interface “Moto Micro Lite” wenn ich eine DAW auf dem Computer verwende. Den Keystep würde ich auch für meinen Oberheim OB-1 als Midi Interface verwenden, da der OB-1 auch keinen eigenen Midi Anschluss hat. Mit besten Gruss, Ralph
..reverbs are my favorite effects sounds but I dislike spring reverbs especially ones that sound unnatural. I am very picky about reverb because I use a lot of it on all tracks.. most of the time each individual track has it's own high end reverb.. if you like real spring reverb then just add your own.. it's a no-brainer.. will buy the Behringer 2600.. if anyone is debating it.. watching old gear dying is not enjoyable unless you can repair it yourself..
A honest review. Vintage synth prices often are crazy overpriced addressing to collectors with money to spent - sometimes silly money - rather than real musicians.
I agree! In today's world with so many affordably clones around I guess the classic versions are most interesting for collectors and people who have a very strong emotional and nostalgic connection with a particular piece of classic Synth/Music gear. Greetings, Ralph
@@RalphBaumgartl Thanks that totally sells me on the beringer then, any thoughts from a non arp owner whose broke? Besides don't buy either which will be the case for now haha!
@@RalphBaumgartl So you really feel the OG or korg is alot different? I watched the videos and I could tell some obvious parts but others I was more like meh close enough... I mean I won't be getting one anytime soon so im just looking for opinions.
@OCEANINSPACE I have never played the Karp 2600 but I have dabbled with the Karp Odyssey though. I was suggesting the Behringer Odyssey and 2600 if you are on a tight budget. But if the Korg clones are within your budget you should definitely check them out as well. Greetings, Ralph
Great video - I was really underwhelmed with the original's spring reverb (don't flame me!!) I was thinking about opting for one of the Barp 2600 limited releases just announced the other day over the standard, among other reasons, because of the spring reverb. But I'll have to listen to some demos and think about it now...
The Blue Marvin and Gray Meanie included state of the art components back in 1971. Allegedly they were too expensive for mass serial production. Behringer says that they will stay true to their original design. The spring reverb is only part of that. I am glad you liked my video. Thank you for watching! Greetings, Ralph
@@RalphBaumgartl ARP substituted parts because the originals were too unreliable for mass production. The original op amps would fail for no apparent reason, so they had to switch to different ones.
Huh..! Some very strong points all the way around. I'm curious as to your opinion on Korg's resurrection of the ARP 2600, both against the original and against the Behringer.
Hello and thank your for watching! I haven't had the chance to check out a Korg 2600 FS yet. And I am looking forward to dabble with a Korg 2600 M when it is available at my local music store. But nevertheless I think that it is a very good thing that consumers have lots of choices for a 2600 now. Have a good week, Ralph
Hi Ralph! First thanks a lot for all these super helpful videos on the 2600 from both ARP and Behringer. I just got myself a Behringer Gray Meanie wich is supposedly a (very?) limited and improved edition as you probably know (better than me haha) Did you already hear, test or review it? If so, i like to know your thoughts. Keep up the good work!
Hello Erik, I will post a video comparing a few sounds from the Gray Meanie to the B2600 very soon. Please check back my channel. Thanks for watching my content. Have a great day, Ralph
I'm aiming for the new Korg 2600M, since I want to be as close to the original sound as possible. Like the Behringer, it has both filter revisions, and still has the spring reverb and onboard speakers.
Hello Harrison, it's good that we have lot's of choices now :-) As far as the Korg 2600 M is concerned please bear in mind that Korg reduced the Gate voltage to 5V. Depending on your overall setup that might be of importance to you. Greetings, Ralph
Thanks Ralph, good vid and an interesting perspective. I love the vintage 2600, but really don't like the implications of an instrument that age. The Behr one, that isn't an issue. Also, if there was a legal limit to how Germanic one can be, you might be a bit over, especially the surname. People don't eve think my surname (Lorenz) is from Germany.
Hello and thank you very much for watching. I appreciate you feedback. Are you referring to the way I am pronouncing "Behringer" or just to my surname? ;-) Best regards, Ralph
Hallo Ralph! You are a luckman to own both Devices. Would Iove to say, if i was you, I Would sell the arp as fast as possible and buy if necessary a second Behringer. But I am not you. I have 1x 2600 and now I am happier than ever before. All the little improvements Behringer did where great decisions. Okay someone whished 2 x asdr but more features does not always make better sound, mostly more features let you go more far away from the original to a more Moderne sound, but that was not what you really want! IMO a Clone should be a good copy of the original with maybe slight improvements to keep it regonizable. I Like your Videos very much, very good speaker and keep it up, you are on the right way! Gruß aus dem Odenwald!
Hello Texaco, thank you so much for your kind and supportive feedback. It's highly appreciated. As far as luck is concerned you should read the comments by "Precarious333 Music" in this thread. That man was truly very lucky :-) Thanks again for watching my videos, there's more to come :-) Mit allerbesten Gruss aus dem Rhein-Main Gebiet, Ralph
Hey Ralph - love your videos, especially the 2600 ones as the original was on my wishlist back in the day but I could never afford one. Will you be getting the new Korg 2600? Rumored to cost around 1700 Euros which means it's far more likely I will get a Behringer. But I would really love to know what you think of it and how it compares to the others. Ian PS: Personally, I think spring reverbs are over-rated (my opinion only, of course). I have a Moog Grandmother with a spring and tend to run it through a digital FX unit :-)
Hello Ian, many thanks for watching my videos. I was watching the Korg Livestream on the 2600 M and the Mini Korg 700 FS. The Korg 2600 M looks nice but I will also take a very close look at Behringer's upcoming Blue Marvin and Gray Meanie. Have a great day, Ralph
@@RalphBaumgartl I look forward to your comments. There's a reason why so few of the Blues were made :-) If customers have too much choice, they tend not to make any decision at all. :-)
@Ian Waugh - That's an interesting point. When Steve Jobs returned to Apple in 1997 he dumped a lot of products and streamlined the entire Apple product line. Greetings, Ralph
@@IanWaugh Perhaps greeting the most affordable one!? But one should not forget to take into consideration what's actually available 😉 Greetings, Ralph
Hello My freind Ralph. Good video and Good to hear the comparisons. I think the digital reverb tends to muddy the sound somewhat, to the piont where the sound gets lost if you add over the half way piont on the sliders. The Spring reverb of your original is has far less of a tail off so doesn't muddy the overall tone. I noticed Behringer are to release 2 other variants, Blue Marvin and the Grey Meanie. Basically they have added a physical Spring reverb to them. I would like the Grey Meanie, do you know if any stores in Europe will be getting supplied any?? I'm in the UK and can't even get hold of the first batch...Behringer hasn't yet supplied any UK retailers. So I don't want to miss out on the Grey Meanie.
Hello! And thank you for watching and sharing your opinion. According to my knowledge Behringer not only added a Spring Reverb but also improved on some components of the Blue Marvin and Gray Meanie. According to my research the Blue Marvin and Gray Meanie had top notch component built into them back in 1971. But they were too costly for a mass serial production. So if Behringer is staying close to the original 1971 design that sounds very interesting. So far I have not seen any information on when the Blue Marvin and the Gray Meanie become available for (pre) order. Greetings from Germany
@@RalphBaumgartl Thanks Ralph for the response. As always it's a pleasure to hear from you and watch your content. Any comparison video's or just 2600 videos are always a blessing. Thanks Ralph.👍.
I was offered a original grey meanie in the mid 90s for $700, it needed the filter repaired or replaced, Now all these years later I kick myself in the ass constantly and I've payed more for a clone of the 2600.... *sigh*
Hello Walter, many thanks for watching! I guess you mean a Spring Reverb. A spring based delay would rather be a tape echo/delay device. Have a great weekend, Ralph
@@RalphBaumgartl It is indeed a spring reverb tank inside the original. The BARP 2600 has a digital one, but guess what? They just announced the "Blue Marvin" and "Grey Meanie" version with a reverb tank in it! :) ruclips.net/video/MSeN7_VUtuY/видео.html&ab_channel=BEHRINGER
@littlegee A genuine spring reverb is always an alternative for B2600 users who need a mechanical spring reverb. Most spring reverb pedals are digital emulations of a spring reverb though. Greetings, Ralph
@@RalphBaumgartl only a tape wouldn't work too well in a 2600. I had a roadie hit mine as he fell and the reverb made a noise thru the PA that scared the crap out of him. "Oh, Sh-t! Oh Sh-t!" He thought he broke the 2600! Best roadie ever after that.
The Korg is going to be the closest to the ARP experience and the better built one but for the ARP sound I don't think your wallet would mind of you got the B-ringer one.
LOL! I am not critical of any music gear manufacturer. I am just mildly critical towards people who tend to hold on to their own stubborn and self sabotaging beliefs. And you know what, that criticism occasionally also applies to myself 😉 Cheers, Ralph
Hello and thanks a lot for sharing your thoughts. I have to check out some videos on the Matrixbrute. I haven't really looked at it yet. Regarding the Spring Reverb it is possible that people are drawn to it because of the mechanical construction. Perhaps it's also perceived as some kind of rarity in our digital age.... Greetings, Ralph
I actually quite liked the reverb on the clone and can see the value of extra flexibility and the lack of mechanical fragility. That said, the original reverb does have a certain 'physicality' to it that is irresistible :)
IMHO, the matrix brute reverb is far from excellent. I own it and seldom used it. no chance to sth like hall of fame (TC) or even big sky... or black hole 2...
Yep. Appalling. Just turn it off. Always. My friend has an original Arp 2600 and we NEVER use it's spring reverb. There are a glut of amazing reverbs available elsewhere, just use one of them and enjoy the 3 oscillators of the Barp 2600 at it's amazing price :)
@SerErris Although I am not planning to change my light show when I am performing Synth Jams, I am currently thinking about using non flickering lights when I talk and address the audience. Thanks again for your feedback, Ralph
Hi there, that fact that I prefer the sound of my original ARP 2600 does not imply that I dislike the sound and the performance of the BARP 2600 ;-) Greetings, Ralph
Hello and thanks for watching! I am German and people from Austria, Germany and the German speaking part of Switzerland pronounce it "Behringer". I deliberately chose to pronounce it "Barringer" because that way it is understood and pronounced by the majority of people regardless which country they come from ;-) Have a great day, Ralph
I was conveying my personal opinion and thus I used patches that I deemed fit to make my point. Other people may have different methods to make their points....
@@RalphBaumgartl - How much of a point can it be in demonstrating the differences between the reverbs, when you feed the Behringer a bass-heavy patch which will be muddy, and the original a mid/high patch with only a tinge of bass? Of *course* it will be better sounding under those conditions. That's not an A/B, and without an A/B, the only conclusion I can draw is that it was not a fair comparison, which informs the opinion (which you invite us to form ourselves) that you don't know how to do proper comparisons which will result in unbiased opinions. This has nothing to do with Behringer vs not; this has to do with being scientific about things.
I did not claim that this video is an A/B comparison, but only my personal opinion. In this video I am also referring and linking to my A/B comparison which is available here: ruclips.net/video/tAN5rXQpJ5I/видео.html
Learn everything about the Behringer 2600 here:
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Get started with the Behringer 2500 Eurorack System:
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ARP 2600 and Behringer 2600 Videos:
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Happy patching! Ralph
I appreciate the professionalism of your presentation in comparing these two units - good work!
Thank you very much! I appreciate your feedback.
Excellent video sir! Great production and clear descriptions and examples. It always amazes me how people who (presumably) have learned English as a second language can be so articulate, often times eclipsing us lazy native speakers. Thank you for this great content! Subscribed and Liked, enthusiastically!
Thank you very much for your kind feedback which I consider a nice compliment. I have learned English as a second language at school. When I shoot my videos I try to speak in a way that everyone is able to understand what I am trying to convey. I am also grateful that you gave me some feedback on the overall video production. That's very valuable information, so I know that I am moving into the right direction. Thanks for watching and for your support. Greetings, Ralph
Yep. 😂
First-english speakers speak sloppily because they assume everyone understands them. Second-english speakers speak articulately because they assume nobody understands them.
I got to see and play an original ARP 2600, once, think it was the later grey meanie version, the keyboard was not connected but somehow I got it to self-oscillate, then the magic appeared, the guitar guys working the store were wondering how the heck I got it to work w/out the keyboard, it was a magnificent vintage machine, w/that magnificent vintage price tag and also realizing I would have no way to know if all the components worked properly and if they did not, to have one repaired costs vintage repair prices, if you can even find someone who can properly repair such an instrument. Been looking at many synths, have had many synths, this Behringer tribute seems to be the one I'm looking for, don't care if it's musical, just want to visit outer space; great video, thanks so much.
There's some magic emanating from the original ARP 2600. But nevertheless the B2600 is a good clone to get this kind magic for a reasonable price. Cheers, Ralph
And this is what it comes down to for most people and especially, most artists that just want to make music; the astronomically priced (before adding any servicing) originals with the original sound and VS the affordable and practical (MIDI) brand new, clones/copies/re-issues/whatever with a sound that is close, but not exactly there.
Unless you have a money tree in your backyard or are a successful artist/film score person etc, you ain't going to spend 10grand on an old 2600.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I totally agree with you! The price of the B2600 is almost to good to let this Synth pass by. Provided that you are interested in a semi modular Synthesizer. Have a great day, Ralph
In the big picture, few will notice much difference and it's hard to justify the cost based on that alone. Had I not acquired my analog gear back when it was dirt cheap I wouldn't own any now. I had two 2600s. One I paid $250 along with Tascam cassette 4-track. The second was $500 at a university sale. Still own one but haven't touched it since getting into eurorack.
@Precarious333 Music Wow 🤩 250 US$ is a real bargain price which dwarfs my presumed bargain price. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Greetings, Ralph
@@RalphBaumgartl The 90s were heaven for those seeking out analogy gear! I got two MS-20s and an MS-10 for $150 each. Got a Jupiter-6 for free and another for $500. ARP Avatar for $200. TB-303 and TR-606 for $60 and $40. Blue SH-101 for $200. TR-808 $450. So many amazing deals. Still have all of these except one of the JP-6s. Both 2600s needed some work which was done by Phil Cirocco of CMS who lived in my town. Both had the nice gray panel. I kept the older one with the Moog-style filter.
@Precarious333 Music Your remaining ARP 2600 must be working perfectly because you had it serviced by Phil Cirocco. I believe your 2600 is in much better shape than mine ;-) You were pretty lucky that Phil Cirocco was living in your town. I was also lucky that and old friend gave me some gear for free, because he was buying a Korg Kronus and just wanted to get rid off his old bulky gear ;-) Over the years I was always asking him whether he wanted to have it back, but he told me that he had all the sounds he needed in his Korg workstation. Best regards, Ralph
Thank you, Ralph! I'm considering right now the purchase of a Behringer 2600. Your demo/comparison here -- as well as in your earlier video -- has convinced me that I should get one. This new Behringer clone may not sound identical to your original ARP 2600 synthesizer, but it does sound very good. I appreciate the extras that Behringer has included and, of course, the attractive price. Again, thanks.
@Bob Conway Hello Bob, yes the price of the B2600 is an almost unbeatable argument ;-) Have a great day, Ralph
Yes, that's up to the musicians choice and workflow. I believe the 2600 and Odyssey compliment each other nicely, especially if you plan to take them on a live gig. Greetings, Ralph
I like the original a bit more too. It just seems thicker and the filters are more musical or interesting. Maybe there’s more harmonic content or something , hard to describe. It’s more present, upfront, and more aggressive. Also yes it’s a little more analog sounding , organic is a good word for it. It sounds more vintage I think, where the behringer sounds more modern. And really some tracks I may actually prefer the behringer depending on the sonic landscape. That said I love the behringer too (never thought I’d say that lol) and will be buying one in the future. To be able to have something that sounds so good and capable for so cheap is just amazing. I think they did a fantastic job on the b2600.
@Wilmer Waarbroek you might be right lol
I thought my Baramoog D was a super faithful clone of the Model D and sounded fantastic (which it does) but when I played a real one... you can tell. Maybe it's just the feel of all the bigger knobs and stuff IDK.
The way it warms up and goes out of tune and stuff... And it's so solid and heavy for a 300 clone. It's got great sound and feel, but yeah can't beat the real deal.
I remember a video with the main engineer who designed the Behringer clone and he said he “improved” the circuit, such as making it more stable for one, which was a mistake in my opinion. Unstable vcos are what make vintage synths sound organic and fat.
Great Review Videos! I have a friend who owns a vintage 2600 that is in great need of repair. The vintage model has many issue including components incased in epoxy which are next to impossible to repair plus. I own 2 highly sought after vintage synths that require constant repair it seems. So happy to see these wonderful synths revitalized and faithfully reproduced as new units. I visited Syntaur earlier this year and got to see and hear the Korg release of the Arp 2600. I believe the B2600 is a great starting point for anyone before considering the way more expensive full size version. Especially if you are new to analog synthesis. Great learning tool. In fact my friend's vintage ARP 2600 came from a school where he taught.
Hello Bill, thanks for sharing this. You are right, maintaining Vintage Synths is a rather expensive endeavor. Getting my Korg PS-3100 serviced will come at a hefty price. Therefore I constantly keep on postponing this project 😉 The B2600 is an excellent way to get started in vintage analog Synth world. Greetings, Ralph
how did the Korg compare to the ARP at Syntaur. Those guys are the preeminent world experts on vintage synths and how they sound.
Thank you for this video. I've ordered the clone (out of stock) so I'm watching all the videos to try to get a head start on learning how it works!
Thanks for watching my videos. I hope you get something out of them. Nevertheless I wish you a speedy delivery of your 2600 clone. Cheers, Ralph
11:55 Behringer also offers the real spring reverb in the "grey" and "blue" versions.
Yes that's true. By the time I shot this video the Blue and Gray hadn't been launched yet.
@@RalphBaumgartl Ah, I see. Thanks!
Both of them sound great to me, Ralph, you lucky fellow. It's great to hear them played side by side. I would certainly buy myself one of the Behringer 2600s, but I'm running out of space in my music room.
Hello Stephen, yes the price of the B2600 is almost to good to let it pass by. Perhaps you want to get rid off some other gear to make space for the B2600 in your studio ;-) Cheers, Ralph
@@RalphBaumgartl Aieee! I can't do that, Ralph!
I guess you will change your mind.....
@@RalphBaumgartl what is this "get rid of" action of which you speak? Does not compute! 😉
merci excellent démonstration !
I totally agree..the ARP 2600 has a unique 'flavour' and the presence of a spring reverb tank adds a richness to the sound. I love it. But for a pleb like me I think I am stuck choosing a Behringer 2600 or Korg M - both immensely great bang for the buck I have to say and gets you in the 'ballpark" I guess. Behringer has been the centre of a great deal of controversy of late but they just keep bringing the classics back to people ..legends of synthesis, that don't sound half bad. I'm kind of glad they do this regardless of the moral peril involved LOL Korg has been killing it too...they have been innovating new offerings along with the Korg mini 700S and the ARPs of old. Their quality is excellent. Thanks ever so much for your vidies- I very much enjoy them! I am now sub'd.
Hello Mark, thank you for your support. I am glad you are enjoying my videos. I guess most people must have noticed the "controversy" lately. Anyway, from reading all the comments on my recent videos, I have come to the conclusion that the attitude and discussion has become somewhat more factual and less emotional recently. Perhaps I am going to make a video about this development....Have a good week, Ralph
Excellent comparison. Very well done. Thank you.
Hello Don, I am glad you liked my video. Thank you for watching and for sharing your feedback. Have a nice weekend, Ralph
there is something magical about these old synths that doesnt come over youtube well.. you mentioned it though... the raw energy and slightly untamed feel they have.. I have many old synths and my new ones do seemed 'tamed' in comparison.. my sw 5u seems closest.
Yes you are absolutely right! I also get this magical feeling when I play with my vintage Oberheim OB-1! Thank you for watching and for sharing your thoughts. Greetings, Ralph
Subbed Ralph. Thanks for a well balanced and thoughtful demo.
Thank you very much for your support! 🙏 It's highly appreciated! Best regards, Ralph
Honest. Very nice and fair comparison. Thanks. I do not have a vintage unit though I have wanted one for years. I cannot justify $4000 US for the full size Korg reissue. Nor can I spend $2500 on the soon to be released mini Korg unit. So for $600 I can get a reasonable 2600 clone that I can play. Yep, it's not a vintage 2600, but I am OK with "close".
Thank you for your kind feedback. Here in Germany the Korg 2600 M is already available for pre-order at a price of 1799.- Euros. Therefore I don't think that the US$ price in the USA will be as high as 2500,- US$. But it's great that we have a lot of choices nowadays. Thank you for watching! Ralph
@@RalphBaumgartl You are correct. I got the price wrong. It is about $1800 US. That is without keyboard. I agree, 4 great versions of this synth at different price points. It's a good time for synth lovers. Lots of great synths over a huge range of prices and features. And Euro rack gives us even more possibilities over poly and semi modular mono units.
What is better for beginner who has only used a large number of semi-modular synths before - Behringer 2600 or Behringer System 55?
@@NEKRWSPHERE if you have used a large number of semi-modular Synths before then you are not a beginner anymore...😉
My favorite is the Atari 2600.
Everyone can find his/her favorite device. We are living in fantastic times 😉
Digital reverb is more dull (the irony) but to be honest, i doubt I'd ever use the on board effect.
Great video. Subbed.
Check out my latest video on the Blue Marvin ruclips.net/video/_ozBi75uSWQ/видео.html
The spring reverb sounds very good in my personal opinion. Thanks for your support! Ralph
Thx a lot Ralph for this video , as usual , sound good , very well explain , and a logic end philosophy ....really appreciate your videos...so thank you and have music everyday
Hello Philippe, thank you for your kind and supportive feedback! Stay safe and have a nice evening, Ralph
The tell-tale way to check the 4012 filter is to FM it at audio rate to get the formant "ooh-wow" - it's hardwired to osc2 already. Simply a) switch osc2 to audio rate, b) raise filter resonance into self-oscillation c) increase the third mod slider of the filter in conjunction with osc and filter tuning and you're there.
There's only so much that squirting around with an EG can tell...but FM is vast.
And that upper-midrange 'click' on the BARP (heard @7:30 -8:00) would drive me nuts. This is because the real 2600 always slews response at the attack stage.
Further, the 4012 can get into Buchla territory because of this slew 'slop' - it behaves a bit drunkedly like a vactrol when 'pinged'. And so heavenly wood-block and mallet timbres await thee.
Thanks for sharing this!
The original sounds way better to me but that's no surprise. Every new analog synth I get is just too bright, especially in the high notes. I absolutely LOVE the size and feel of the original. You see it from across the room and immediately want to go to it. I'm not drawn to a rack module. That being said, I'll admit this is the best bang for your buck Behringer.
Yes, the B2600 offers extremely good value for a "relatively" small price tag. But nevertheless the original ARP 2600 Synth is a totally different experience....
That brightness is what concerns me about Behringer gear. Every piece of Behringer gear I bought over the past few years has been sold. None of the pieces sounded right in the mix
The stability and precision of the modern components just don’t sound as warm. Smt parts just sound more sterile and harsh than vintage components time after time. Someday they might learn.
my fav Odyssey patch is two pulse width with adsr modulation....., I was really excited to see this on B2600, and how you highlighted it in the first patch. Cant wait to get mine here in the states. Now I will have 4 osc as the KOddy will drive the B2600 via cv/gate/trigger
Hello Pitch, modulating the pulse width is such a nice feature on any Synth. It's so cool the you can do this with two VCO's on the B2600. Greetings from Germany, Ralph
Needed to see this , as I didn't want to have to buy BOTH,
Especially now the Behinger MS5 (SH5) is comming out soon..BOOYA !!!😊
Hello Andrew, perhaps the MS-5 and B2600 would also be a nice combination. You require s keyboard for the B2600 anyway 😉 Thanks for watching, Ralph
@RalphBaumgartl I have a Beatstep and Keystep pro so a keyboard isn't a must
Thanks for the reply Ralph.
This was an awesome video. Thank you so much for your talent and your insight.
Hello Billy! Thank you! I am glad you found my video helpful. Have a nice Sunday, Ralph
Good and informative video, thank you.
It's quite easy for me to tell which one I would prefer as I don't have any budget for the original :-)
Thank you! I am glad you found my video helpful. It's great that we have lots of choices regarding the 2600. So everyone will find his or her perfect match ;-) Have a nice weekend, Ralph
Hi Ralph. As always, you provide a high quality video with an excellent comparison of the two machines. Unfortunately, I was not in a position to buy a 2600 in the 80s, or more especially a Synthi/VCS3. I saw a video interview a couple of years ago where Daniel Miller told how he paid 300 UK pounds for a Synthi 100 from the University of East Anglia (in my home town!) - I nearly cried. I would not pay $10000 now for an original 2600, partly way more than I could justify, and also concerns about the wear and tear/maintenance. So, given my choice between no 2600, and the B2600, which, as you have demonstrated, comes close to an original with appropriate patching, I will choose to get a B2600, especially since they announced the Blue Marvin and Grey Meanie versions. The new Korg mini 2600 looks interesting, but still is nearly three times the price of the B2600. Given the lack of availability of the B2600 now, I expect there will be plenty of comparison videos before I need to choose.
Apologies for the very long ramble, and thank you for your great content.
Thank you so much for your kind and supportive feedback. You are right, the probable maintenance cost of a vintage Synth is always an issue. I am currently experiencing some problems with the Voltage Processor of my original ARP2600. Luckily I can use the Voltage Processor of the B2600 as some kind of an external module for the ARP2600. I am wondering whether the cost of repairing the Voltage Processor of the ARP2600 is less than the price of a new B2600 ;-) Thanks again for watching my videos. Have a great weekend, Ralph
Good video! At $599 US (and 4-6 months of waiting), I plan to buy the BARP 2600 to go with my all-Moog, all-semi-modular rig (Matriarch, Grandmother, 2x Mother 32's & DFAM). Korg has the KARP 2600M coming to the stores, but the $1,799 US price tag is a bit too much to swallow. Thanks for providing the demos...
Hello John, thank you for watching! I wish you a speedy delivery of your B2600. Have a nice Sunday, Ralph
I really don't think the price is unreasonable considdered these are not "just" virtual analog reissues. It is "Real" analog circuitries. There is propably not very many that are willing and/or able to pay 10-20k for the refurbished originals, but 2-3k for a really good reissue is still within the grasp of a person not made completely of money. And I think its interesting to see the trends of many old analog synths being reissued with more modern analog circuits. I agree that I also think paying 2-5000 $ for some of these reissued analog synths is a tad too much compared to how narrow their use is and how much more you get with a well constructed "virtual" analog remake no matter if its eg a Kronos or a computer based system. But if Analog sound is your thing primarily I think you get pretty close to the originals at a much more afordable price and less headacke about it breaking down on you. I'm just waiting on Yamaha to reissue the CS-80 in a lighter weight version :)
@mrdali67 thank you for sharing your thoughts on this matter. I believe that comments like yours help other user, who are still thinking about how to best move forward, to make up their mind. Greetings, Ralph
KARP2600 for under $2K is an absolute steal...the closest to a proper time machine synth as any massed-produced synth today or at any other time.
I paid $3K for my '71 Tonus 2600 about a dozen yrs ago, and another $1500-$2K in maintenance+mods. And _that_ was well worth every penny/minute of trouble.
A new one for under $2K is just bonkers.
my 2600 economy goes: One KARP is worth 10 BARP. Two KARP is worth one o.g. 2601. And the G(ray)-Clef 2600 is worth three KARP.
A pre-G-clef (Tonus-logo) is priceless, with no substitute but for making the jump to the 2500.
A Karp 2600 FS for under 2K US$ is a steal indeed. According to my knowledge only the Karp 2600 Mini comes under 2K US$.
Great comparison, thank you. Have subscribed. :) One thing I noticed, on the bass patches, the attack on the behringer sounds a bit 'clicky' almost like a digital sample being cutoff, that sort of sound. Your original ARP 2600 even when set snappily showed no such behaviour. On the Behringer do you think this can be avoided just with a ever so slightly slower attack time? From your video I certainly do prefer the sound of the original, but I agree with your conclusion, for most people most budgets the original isn't worth the current asking prices if you don't already have one. I was given a Roland Jupiter 4 many years ago, with minor issues, and another Jupiter 4 which was ok electronically but physically damaged, so quite easily a good unit could be made from the two. Would I buy one for their current price? No, at least not for me.
Thanks a lot for watching and for your support. Play around with the Time Factor switches of the ADSR/AR section. Various settings may reduce the "perceived" click sound. Classic Synths ultimately require more or less intensive maintenance work and this can be pretty costly. One should always bear this in mind before buying a vintage Synth. Greetings, Ralph
I have to say, I actually preferred the sound of the Behrenger. The filter was dramatically better, with a much better and more musical response. And I preferred the Behrenger reverb as well, which is a much more versatile effect that goes from subtle to dramatic, whereas the spring reverb is much less effective. The other additions and improvements in reliability, size, features, MIDI and, of course, cost all also favor the Behrenger. As a collectible item, the ARP might be better, but as an instrument, the Behrenger is a clear winner.
Thank you sharing your opinion! Midi, VCO's, reliability and price are a big Plus for the B2600!
@@RalphBaumgartl What about the size of the Behringer?
The smaller sliders etc?
I mean, that actually was a problem with the Model D (Which I have) (As Starsky Carr talked about in his comparison with Behringer Model D and orginal Minimoog) where it was very diffictult to "fine tune" with some of the very small knobs, which indirectly impacted the sound you got and "how it felt" when tweaking it (easier to get to the "Good spot" on the original).
Is that less of a problem when it is sliders and not knobs?
@Magnus Lööv I personally think that Behringer has hit the sweet spot with the size of the B2600. The overall size is compact yet the sliders are big enough to allow for accurate adjustments. Greetings, Ralph
@@Magnus_Loov The Model D was compromised a bit to make it Euro-rack compatible. With the Poly-D, Behrenger was able to make it a little smaller than the original, but still comfortable.
@@geoffk777 Unfortunately that one has some unnecessary extras that drives up the price for me (and I already have the Poly D).
I don't need another keyboard, a rack version would be great.
I also think the 4 oscillators AND Juno Chorus is total overkill.
All I hear is demos where, if put into a mix, it sounds totally muddy. The Minimoog can already be problematic in many cases in a mix.
I have other Synths that do the pads and/or sounds with great chorus on them (wiithout the Moog already wide/fat soudning VCO:s).
I mean listen to, the otherwize great, MrFirechild demo of it. To me the song was a total mudfest.
ruclips.net/video/96V2PZ_1T44/видео.html
Yes, you could ignore the "extras", but I don't want to pay "extra" for something I wasn't looking for in the first place!
Yes, I can see that it still great value for money for some people who don't have access to Polysounds in the Juno (but not really still) vain. Or have something that sounds really impressive alone on its own.
I mean, a Minimoog (with keyboard) for that price (without the extras) is something that would have been someting to almost kill for, before Behringer started their mission of releasing cheap versions of vintage gear in, what was it, 2018?
Thanks a lot, Ralph. Nice and usefull video!
Thank you! I am glad you liked it! Have a good day, Ralph
Good video, I especially like the use of the arp 2600 on side two of tangerine dreams rubycon.
👍 Yes, the ARP 2600 is a legendary Synth that has been used on many legendary recordings 😉
Excellent. Thanks for posting this. I was listening without watching so I couldn't see when you switched synths. The only part where I thought there was a significant difference was the reverb. I owned a Great British Spring for many years and there's a way that spring reverbs "load-up" that digital modeling never captures IMO. Having said that, if I do get a B2600, I could easily put together a spring reverb if I felt I needed that sound.
Thank you for watching and giving me your feedback. You could also go for one of the upcoming Behringer Blue Marvin or Gray Meanie. They feature a Spring Reverb. Best regards, Ralph
@@RalphBaumgartl the new versions are interesting. Could the new features overcome my preference for the looks and colour-coded LEDs of the basic model? 😀
That's what you have to decide for yourself 😉
Nice 58 Corvette poster.
No cheap clones for these !
For the price of an original 2600 you could buy ... about 17 Behringer 2600 standard models or maybe 14 of their Blue Marvin/Gray Meanie versions. I think you could get a pretty powerful/raw sound out of that! I've always wanted a 2600 (and an Odyssey, and a Solina, and ...). I was much more into the ARP line of synths than Moog's. I've got two ARP Axxes and their sequencer, all of which need refurbishing. Even the lowly Axxe sounds amazing, but if you're going into vintage gear you've got to really have some $$ to keep them running. Even then you've got to be able to find someone who knows what they're doing (surprisingly not very easy to find locally). The Behringer 2600 is perfectly capable of doing great things. I'm sure the Korg 2600 mini will too.
Also, don't forget there's also the Antonus 2600 too. They also make the Antonus Step Brother, a cool blend of the ARP sequencer and Little Brother.
Thank you for sharing your personal experience with vintage Synths. I totally agree with you, Vintage Synthesizers are a costly and often difficult matter to have them well maintained. BTW, I also preferred ARP's slider panel and sound over the Moog stuff. Have a great week, Ralph
Some points: The ARP in this video has way less bass and almost as if a high pass filter has been added. Is the machine in spec as I do not recall my original ARP having such less bass. But that is from memory as I sold it many years ago. The Behringer rips it to pieces in the low end. Adjust the EQ and cut off the lower end and the Behring sound a lot more similar to the Original here but not exactly. I would be curious how the original compares against the new Korg reissue though.
Second point the Meanie versions have an actual "real" spring reverb and are not much more expensive than the basic Behringer model. Not sure though how well they compare on the reverbs though.
The bass differences though are pretty noticeable on a decent system.
Hello, I have made a video comparing the spring reverb of the Blue Marvin to the spring reverb of the ARP 2600 ruclips.net/video/RtC6bFADwys/видео.html
I saw the reverb you linked but that test still is inconclusive as you are comparing very different sounds. The bass difference I mentioned is still very much there between the two machines and going to be a significant bias.
Again I am curious what the Korg ARP will compare like against the OG and Behringer.
@@shamuscoghlan_807 I wouldn't call it inconclusive. My ARP 2600 is more than four decades old, has never been serviced and contains aged components. And this is overall package is compared to a new clone. People can decide for themselves. BTW, I patched the (same) sounds by ear. I did not use an oscilloscope.
@@RalphBaumgartl So you basically validate my points and question on where I said your video shows the OG Arp has less bass and I questioned if it was out of spec. As I mentioned I do not recall my OG Arp I used to own being so anemic on bass.
You can not compare something that is likely out of spec and think it is a valid test. In what world does that even come close to valid? That is like saying my 2006 Porsche 911 setup for racing is better than the new one because I like how smooth it rides, well ignoring the fact the coil overs had been broken for 20 years.
I appreciate the effort you took to do the videos and I am not trying to attack you, but just rather point out the obvious errors here.
Do I miss the OG Arp (hell yes), would I buy another again? Likely not as todays vintage stuff has gone insane in prices and in many cases the re-issues are better.
@@shamuscoghlan_807 I wouldn't rule out that you are right. But humans are biased when it comes to the perception of their own senes (hearing, sight). It could also be that the video and audio compression has an impact. My ARP is one of the later models of around 1978. I am not trying to make a scientific comparison but just to showcase the old and new alongside each other. And I personally believe it's justified to compare an old Porsche to a new one. I personally prefer manual transmission therefore I guess I am subconsciously biased against automatic transmission 😉
Thanks-super helpful comparison and I appreciate you kindly sharing your opinion as well! Quite a bargain for you to have obtained the mighty original in the way you've described!
Hello Sean, I never thought that my original ARP 2600 would increase in value so dramatically over the years. Guess I made the right purchase decision back then ;-) I am glad you found my video helpful! Cheers, Ralph
This Steve Jobes of 2600
Well, I consider this a compliment ;-)
That real spring sound is way more alive sounding.
As someone said just get a separate real spring reverb and the beyringer
You can pick up old HH amp heads cheap and just use the spring reverb on a send.
And for those who don't know it yet: Behringer is goiong to release the 2600 Blue Marvin and Gray Meanie version. Those have a mechanical spring reverb on board. Thank you for watching and have a great day, Ralph
have to agree about the original. For me old analogue synths have something else, like a fine wine they get better with age, which in my opinion gives an extra dimension to the sounds produced
And in my personal opinion the size of the old vintage Synths from the 1970s emanate a cool SciFi vibe in which the future was laying glittering ahead...just my personal opinion 😉 Greetings, Ralph
Yes that's the sound of slowly dying components. Not that an original one sounds great right now. It will need to be recapped, resoldered with replacement parts and cleaned eventually though.
Yes, people have to be aware of the fact that vintage Synths bear some kind of maintenance cost.
I enjoyed your video and you speak more fluent English than many folks whose 1st language is English----- I just recently saw a Behringer video exclaiming that their 2600 now has spring reverb, or, I wonder if that is just the blue and/or gray painted models? I am with you on the perception that older analog synths have a grit and a dirty sound; I still have a Roland sh3a and PAiA modular, both purchased in the early eighties. Thanks for posting- and I did just subscribe.
Thank for watching, subscribing and for sharing your thoughts. According to my knowledge the Blue Marvin and Gray Meanie were prototypes with state of the art component of 1971. Allegedly they were too expensive for mass serial production. Behringer says it wants to stay true to the original design of the Blue Marvin and Gray Meanie, thus they also have a mechanical Spring Reverb instead of digital one. Thank you for your compliment on my English language "skills". I am just trying to make it audible and easy to listen to for anyone in the world ;-) Have a great day, Ralph
Behringer is releasing the Blue Marvin and Grey Meanie with real spring reverb. for 699$, can't wait!!!!
It's great that there plenty of 2600 choices in the market nowadays 👍
Preordered my Grey Meanie from Sweetwater, just waiting for it to ship now. This summer is the ETA, my guess is about the same time this year that the Yellow Behringer TD-3 launched last year?
What's the projected delivery date for your Gray Meanie?
@@RalphBaumgartl Ramses told me to expect this summer maybe May or June(keeping my hopes up) I think the preorder went up this year around the same time the yellow TD-3s popped up last year...
A TD-3 😃 actually I should put that device on my list too 😉
Nice video - hoping to get Behringer 2600 - in the coming days :)
Wish you a speedy delivery of your Barb2600! Greetings, Ralph
So its been a long time!! How is it holding up for you? Any hardware issues to speak of?
The original ARP 2600 has developed some issues lately and it requires a maintenance service. But the cost of doing this might buy you a few more B2600s ;-)
It’s really very difficult to compare them exactly because how can you be sure that all of the controls are in exactly the same positions? Even from unit to unit - especially with the original - there is some variability.
Hello Mike, yes it's an approximation! But I believe it's good enough to help people to make up their mind. And finally it depends on everyone's individual taste and preference! Cheers, Ralph
There is (almost) no 'exactly' with regards to ~50-yr old synths, either. The tolerances of old components were vast. This was mitigated by calibration at the factory, but over time things drift and degrade. Unless you know a tech that can calibrate against original reference material it's a shot in the dark knowing what a 2600 is 'supposed to sound like' all by itself (and not guessing vs a recording).
@@shaft9000 When it comes to analog synths, perhaps it’s just my poor ear, but I believe that with setting the controls appropriately, you can make one synth sound like virtually any other assuming similar components (number and type of oscillators, filters, etc.). Software emulations are now getting so good that in a blind “taste test” I’m pretty sure that you wouldn’t be able to distinguish it from hardware. Additionally, software makes a number of things possible that hardware just can’t do. If you look at the actual architecture, many high end synths since the mid-2000s are just special purpose computers.
Great comparison video, Ralph. newly subscribed.
Hello Ben, thank you very much for watching and subscribing 🙏 I appreciate your support. Best regards, Ralph
guter Vergleich
machen Sie BITTE ein Video - Keystep als Midi-Cotroller und MIdi-Schnittselle in einer DAW (Behringer Arp)
wäre super Danke
Guten Abend, den Keystep benutze ich als Midi Interface für den originalen ARP 2600, da dieser keinen eigenen Midi Anschluss hat. Der Behringer 2600 hat bereits einen eigenen Midi Port. Diesen kontrolliere ich über mein Midi Interface “Moto Micro Lite” wenn ich eine DAW auf dem Computer verwende. Den Keystep würde ich auch für meinen Oberheim OB-1 als Midi Interface verwenden, da der OB-1 auch keinen eigenen Midi Anschluss hat. Mit besten Gruss, Ralph
..reverbs are my favorite effects sounds but I dislike spring reverbs especially ones that sound unnatural. I am very picky about reverb because I use a lot of it on all tracks.. most of the time each individual track has it's own high end reverb.. if you like real spring reverb then just add your own.. it's a no-brainer.. will buy the Behringer 2600.. if anyone is debating it.. watching old gear dying is not enjoyable unless you can repair it yourself..
My favorite reverb is the Strymon BigSky anyway 😉
A honest review. Vintage synth prices often are crazy overpriced addressing to collectors with money to spent - sometimes silly money - rather than real musicians.
I agree! In today's world with so many affordably clones around I guess the classic versions are most interesting for collectors and people who have a very strong emotional and nostalgic connection with a particular piece of classic Synth/Music gear. Greetings, Ralph
I know this may seem dumb, but how do you like the lighted sliders, and are they too bright (like micro freak)? Thanks and great job!
You can dim the illuminated sliders. By turning down the dim knob all the way you can actually turn the light on the sliders off. Greetings, Ralph
@@RalphBaumgartl Thanks that totally sells me on the beringer then, any thoughts from a non arp owner whose broke? Besides don't buy either which will be the case for now haha!
I guess if you are on a tight budget and your are interested in a 2600 or Odyssey clone, then you should consider taking a look at Behringer....
@@RalphBaumgartl So you really feel the OG or korg is alot different? I watched the videos and I could tell some obvious parts but others I was more like meh close enough... I mean I won't be getting one anytime soon so im just looking for opinions.
@OCEANINSPACE I have never played the Karp 2600 but I have dabbled with the Karp Odyssey though. I was suggesting the Behringer Odyssey and 2600 if you are on a tight budget. But if the Korg clones are within your budget you should definitely check them out as well. Greetings, Ralph
Definitely the original, but I do wish the OG had OSC sync like the Behringer.
The VCO section of the B2600 is superior to that of the ARP2600 because of several reasons:
ruclips.net/video/6otUqI1s3jA/видео.html
Great video - I was really underwhelmed with the original's spring reverb (don't flame me!!) I was thinking about opting for one of the Barp 2600 limited releases just announced the other day over the standard, among other reasons, because of the spring reverb. But I'll have to listen to some demos and think about it now...
The Blue Marvin and Gray Meanie included state of the art components back in 1971. Allegedly they were too expensive for mass serial production. Behringer says that they will stay true to their original design. The spring reverb is only part of that. I am glad you liked my video. Thank you for watching! Greetings, Ralph
@@RalphBaumgartl ARP substituted parts because the originals were too unreliable for mass production. The original op amps would fail for no apparent reason, so they had to switch to different ones.
@johnstaf Thank you for clarification! Good to know.
@@johnstaf But also due to avoiding law suits from Moog for their choice of filters, hence the "less attractive" filters in the later designs.
@@Magnus_Loov The substitution of more reliable parts and the redesign of the filters are different issues.
Excellent video!!! Thanks for your wonderful contribution!!! Brilliant!!! Blessings!!!
Hello Pedro, thank you for your supportive feedback. I am glad you enjoyed my video. Have a nice day, Ralph
Listening to it on an iPad , the Behringer sounds better all though the patches seem dissimilar in pitch
Please bear in mind that the original ARP 2600 is more than 40 years old. It's not as stable as the Behringer 2600.
Huh..! Some very strong points all the way around. I'm curious as to your opinion on Korg's resurrection of the ARP 2600, both against the original and against the Behringer.
Hello and thank your for watching! I haven't had the chance to check out a Korg 2600 FS yet. And I am looking forward to dabble with a Korg 2600 M when it is available at my local music store. But nevertheless I think that it is a very good thing that consumers have lots of choices for a 2600 now. Have a good week, Ralph
Hi Ralph! First thanks a lot for all these super helpful videos on the 2600 from both ARP and Behringer. I just got myself a Behringer Gray Meanie wich is supposedly a (very?) limited and improved edition as you probably know (better than me haha) Did you already hear, test or review it?
If so, i like to know your thoughts. Keep up the good work!
Hello Erik, I will post a video comparing a few sounds from the Gray Meanie to the B2600 very soon. Please check back my channel. Thanks for watching my content. Have a great day, Ralph
I'm aiming for the new Korg 2600M, since I want to be as close to the original sound as possible. Like the Behringer, it has both filter revisions, and still has the spring reverb and onboard speakers.
Behringer are releasing a limited edition with the spring reverb.
Hello Harrison, it's good that we have lot's of choices now :-) As far as the Korg 2600 M is concerned please bear in mind that Korg reduced the Gate voltage to 5V. Depending on your overall setup that might be of importance to you. Greetings, Ralph
Good vid, Sir, thanks.
Hello Marcin, I am glad you liked it. Thank you for watching 🙏 Have a good weekend, Ralph
Thanks Ralph, good vid and an interesting perspective.
I love the vintage 2600, but really don't like the implications of an instrument that age. The Behr one, that isn't an issue.
Also, if there was a legal limit to how Germanic one can be, you might be a bit over, especially the surname. People don't eve think my surname (Lorenz) is from Germany.
Hello and thank you very much for watching. I appreciate you feedback. Are you referring to the way I am pronouncing "Behringer" or just to my surname? ;-) Best regards, Ralph
@@RalphBaumgartl just your surname, and I'm kidding around.
I wish there was an easy way to pronounce my surname in an English sounding manner....😉
@@RalphBaumgartl no it’s fine as it is :)
Good to know 😉
Hallo Ralph! You are a luckman to own both Devices. Would Iove to say, if i was you, I Would sell the arp as fast as possible and buy if necessary a second Behringer. But I am not you. I have 1x 2600 and now I am happier than ever before. All the little improvements Behringer did where great decisions. Okay someone whished 2 x asdr but more features does not always make better sound, mostly more features let you go more far away from the original to a more Moderne sound, but that was not what you really want! IMO a Clone should be a good copy of the original with maybe slight improvements to keep it regonizable. I Like your Videos very much, very good speaker and keep it up, you are on the right way! Gruß aus dem Odenwald!
Hello Texaco, thank you so much for your kind and supportive feedback. It's highly appreciated. As far as luck is concerned you should read the comments by "Precarious333 Music" in this thread. That man was truly very lucky :-) Thanks again for watching my videos, there's more to come :-) Mit allerbesten Gruss aus dem Rhein-Main Gebiet, Ralph
Hey Ralph - love your videos, especially the 2600 ones as the original was on my wishlist back in the day but I could never afford one.
Will you be getting the new Korg 2600? Rumored to cost around 1700 Euros which means it's far more likely I will get a Behringer.
But I would really love to know what you think of it and how it compares to the others.
Ian
PS: Personally, I think spring reverbs are over-rated (my opinion only, of course). I have a Moog Grandmother with a spring and tend to run it through a digital FX unit :-)
Hello Ian, many thanks for watching my videos. I was watching the Korg Livestream on the 2600 M and the Mini Korg 700 FS. The Korg 2600 M looks nice but I will also take a very close look at Behringer's upcoming Blue Marvin and Gray Meanie. Have a great day, Ralph
@@RalphBaumgartl I look forward to your comments. There's a reason why so few of the Blues were made :-) If customers have too much choice, they tend not to make any decision at all. :-)
@Ian Waugh - That's an interesting point. When Steve Jobs returned to Apple in 1997 he dumped a lot of products and streamlined the entire Apple product line. Greetings, Ralph
@@RalphBaumgartl You can't fault his business acumen.
Faced with the choice of 3 Behringer 2600s , what's an impoverished musician to do? :-)
@@IanWaugh Perhaps greeting the most affordable one!? But one should not forget to take into consideration what's actually available 😉 Greetings, Ralph
Nice one my friend :) :)
Thank you Daren! Wish you a good week ahead. Best regards, Ralph
Hello My freind Ralph.
Good video and Good to hear the comparisons.
I think the digital reverb tends to muddy the sound somewhat, to the piont where the sound gets lost if you add over the half way piont on the sliders.
The Spring reverb of your original is has far less of a tail off so doesn't muddy the overall tone.
I noticed Behringer are to release 2 other variants, Blue Marvin and the Grey Meanie.
Basically they have added a physical Spring reverb to them.
I would like the Grey Meanie, do you know if any stores in Europe will be getting supplied any?? I'm in the UK and can't even get hold of the first batch...Behringer hasn't yet supplied any UK retailers.
So I don't want to miss out on the Grey Meanie.
Hello! And thank you for watching and sharing your opinion. According to my knowledge Behringer not only added a Spring Reverb but also improved on some components of the Blue Marvin and Gray Meanie. According to my research the Blue Marvin and Gray Meanie had top notch component built into them back in 1971. But they were too costly for a mass serial production. So if Behringer is staying close to the original 1971 design that sounds very interesting. So far I have not seen any information on when the Blue Marvin and the Gray Meanie become available for (pre) order. Greetings from Germany
@@RalphBaumgartl Thanks Ralph for the response.
As always it's a pleasure to hear from you and watch your content.
Any comparison video's or just 2600 videos are always a blessing.
Thanks Ralph.👍.
Thank you 🙏 I am glad you enjoy my content!
But Behringer 2600 vs Arp 2600M?
Do you mean the Korg 2600M ?
I was offered a original grey meanie in the mid 90s for $700, it needed the filter repaired or replaced, Now all these years later I kick myself in the ass constantly and I've payed more for a clone of the 2600.... *sigh*
We all know that feeling of wishing if we only had this knowledge and like experience earlier 😉
For me it's not probably not it's absolutely not! lol. The Behringer will do just fine. :)
As I said in my video, very good value for a very competitive price. Thanks for watching, Ralph
Hi Ralph
Hi Teddy
Original is organic, right said.
👍I like original
You are not alone 😉
Thanks for clearing this one out! I will get the KORG Arp 2600 M... :) Cheers!
Thank you for watching! The Korg 2600 M is already available for Pre-Order here in Germany. Have fun with it! Best regards, Ralph
always nice Ralph :-)
Thank you 🙏 I am glad you like it! Have a nice day, Ralph
Plus, the original had a good spring based reverb. Digital can't touch it.
Hello Walter, many thanks for watching! I guess you mean a Spring Reverb. A spring based delay would rather be a tape echo/delay device. Have a great weekend, Ralph
@@RalphBaumgartl It is indeed a spring reverb tank inside the original. The BARP 2600 has a digital one, but guess what? They just announced the "Blue Marvin" and "Grey Meanie" version with a reverb tank in it! :)
ruclips.net/video/MSeN7_VUtuY/видео.html&ab_channel=BEHRINGER
Would a pedal spring reverb be comparable?
@littlegee A genuine spring reverb is always an alternative for B2600 users who need a mechanical spring reverb. Most spring reverb pedals are digital emulations of a spring reverb though. Greetings, Ralph
@@RalphBaumgartl only a tape wouldn't work too well in a 2600. I had a roadie hit mine as he fell and the reverb made a noise thru the PA that scared the crap out of him. "Oh, Sh-t! Oh Sh-t!" He thought he broke the 2600! Best roadie ever after that.
I always prefer originals and not cheap built clones
danke für die Info
Aber gerne doch! Mit besten Gruss, Ralph
Do I prefer my classic Ferrari, or my brand new Porsche....Hmm.........
....a brand new Porsche is not too shabby ;-)
The Korg is going to be the closest to the ARP experience and the better built one but for the ARP sound I don't think your wallet would mind of you got the B-ringer one.
dont forget the ttsh which is another great option
But please bear in mind that you have to assemble theTTSH by yourself.
behringer is coming with 2600 with hw reverb too (and some other added features)
Yes they are going to release the Blue Marvin and Gray Meanie version of the ARP 2600....
@@RalphBaumgartl Would you go for the Korg remake (mini) or the Behringer special editions?
Pretty much identical.
Careful, mild criticism of Behringer leads to personal vendettas from Uli.
LOL! I am not critical of any music gear manufacturer. I am just mildly critical towards people who tend to hold on to their own stubborn and self sabotaging beliefs. And you know what, that criticism occasionally also applies to myself 😉 Cheers, Ralph
Well done!
Thanks a lot for watching! Have a good day, Ralph
Very helpful, likely getting that Blue Meanie when it’s available since it’s got the spring reverb.
Thank you! I am glad you enjoyed my video. I also have an eye on the Blue Marvin :-) Greetings, Ralph
For me is very very different sound , and you can dream ARP, behringer not drem .
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Love it mate. Buying a C L O N E in a few days and I'm very, very, excited.
Hello Morris, I wish you lots of fun with your clone whatever brand it is :-)
Sorry, that spring reverb is useless. Nothing special. Arturia Matrixbrute has cool analog reverb.
Hello and thanks a lot for sharing your thoughts. I have to check out some videos on the Matrixbrute. I haven't really looked at it yet. Regarding the Spring Reverb it is possible that people are drawn to it because of the mechanical construction. Perhaps it's also perceived as some kind of rarity in our digital age.... Greetings, Ralph
@@RalphBaumgartl Hi! I was just talking about its sound and I don’t think it’s that usable.
I actually quite liked the reverb on the clone and can see the value of extra flexibility and the lack of mechanical fragility. That said, the original reverb does have a certain 'physicality' to it that is irresistible :)
IMHO, the matrix brute reverb is far from excellent. I own it and seldom used it. no chance to sth like hall of fame (TC) or even big sky... or black hole 2...
@@denovaire But analog and has a completely different sound than a digital.
Both sound very close except for the Reverb. The digital emulation sounded horrible.
Thank you for sharing your opinion! Overall the B2600 is a pretty good Synth. Have a great day, Ralph
It sure does not sound horrible..
Yep. Appalling. Just turn it off. Always. My friend has an original Arp 2600 and we NEVER use it's spring reverb. There are a glut of amazing reverbs available elsewhere, just use one of them and enjoy the 3 oscillators of the Barp 2600 at it's amazing price :)
@@JohnTrasher err, yes it does. Sorry
@@petegleadall5785 I have the Korg 2600 FS and use a digital delay/reverb pedal with it. You're right!
I love the Video - but the lightshow in the back makes me sick ...
Thanks for your feedback 🙏 You are one of those few who don't like my light show 😉 Greetings, Ralph
@@RalphBaumgartl I can live with that :-)
@SerErris Although I am not planning to change my light show when I am performing Synth Jams, I am currently thinking about using non flickering lights when I talk and address the audience. Thanks again for your feedback, Ralph
It's no surprise that you prefer the sound of the original. I have yet to find any Behringer product that doesn't pass audio which sounds like shit.
Hi there, that fact that I prefer the sound of my original ARP 2600 does not imply that I dislike the sound and the performance of the BARP 2600 ;-) Greetings, Ralph
Hello....my name is Alf Carbunkle
There are always people who are totally content with only speaking and understanding their own native tongue 😉
Why do you say Barringer instead of Behringer? I suppose you are German or Austrian.
Hello and thanks for watching! I am German and people from Austria, Germany and the German speaking part of Switzerland pronounce it "Behringer". I deliberately chose to pronounce it "Barringer" because that way it is understood and pronounced by the majority of people regardless which country they come from ;-) Have a great day, Ralph
Half the validity of the sound testing is invalidated by virtue of the fact they used different patches with different sequences.
I was conveying my personal opinion and thus I used patches that I deemed fit to make my point. Other people may have different methods to make their points....
@@RalphBaumgartl - How much of a point can it be in demonstrating the differences between the reverbs, when you feed the Behringer a bass-heavy patch which will be muddy, and the original a mid/high patch with only a tinge of bass? Of *course* it will be better sounding under those conditions. That's not an A/B, and without an A/B, the only conclusion I can draw is that it was not a fair comparison, which informs the opinion (which you invite us to form ourselves) that you don't know how to do proper comparisons which will result in unbiased opinions. This has nothing to do with Behringer vs not; this has to do with being scientific about things.
I did not claim that this video is an A/B comparison, but only my personal opinion. In this video I am also referring and linking to my A/B comparison which is available here:
ruclips.net/video/tAN5rXQpJ5I/видео.html
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