Treyarch Ruined Zombies to Save it
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2025
- Even as I enjoy Black Ops 6 Zombies, there's a lot that just makes it feel different, and I'd even say not like CoD Zombies. But Treyarch didn’t forget how to make classic zombies, they chose to leave it behind.
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A lot of people are misunderstanding what I'm saying in the video, or just commenting before they finish the video, so let me be more direct:
Black Ops 6 Zombies is a fun, addicting game mode, but I don't feel like it's Cod Zombies. I don't think Zombies should stay the same and never evolve, I just feel like they went too far from some of the core mechanics of Classic Zombies and fundamentally changed the gameplay loop. When I say "Treyarch Ruined Zombies to Save it", I'm saying they intentionally stepped away from classic zombies to make this new thing that sort of looks like it (which has lead to record player counts).
Again, I'm not saying Black Ops 6 Zombies is a bad game mode, I'm just saying it's not CoD Zombies quite yet. There are some nice changes they've made since I made this video like the mangler spam being toned down, and they released a banger of a map in Citadelle Des Morts.
I'm not one of those people that is blinded by nostalgia and thinks a billion-dollar company should bow to me and make all these changes. Clearly, Black Ops 6 Zombies works for a very large amount of people and that was their goal. If you enjoy it, I'm glad you do. But for me, when I want to play Classic Zombies, I simply won't boot up BO6, it's no big deal.
This is exactly what I want also, classic mode so players stop complaining, and Cold War for grinding super easy
Bases bro based
If there’s room for core and hardcore in mp there’s absolutely room for core and classic in zombies
@@Creatine_ShitsYou know that hardcore it's just no HUD and like 20 of HP right...? The amount of stuff that they need to do to make a "hardcore" experience from zombies it's just not worth the hastle when is only a minority of whiners
Honestly, it's pretty fun, feels better than cold war, and I hope they continue to improve on it. I can't ask that they bring back the old style because not only would I not be heard, I don't think forcing it would make a fun experience. I'll see where it takes us and hop on sker rit and older zombies games when I'm feeling a more horror-survivalish gamemode
Dont get me wrong I really like bo6 zombies, but when I die on high round on older zombies I feel like I lost a good run but when I die high round on bo6 I feel like I just lost time
Bro, this hit
I think using zombies to XP grind is what killed a lot of peoples motive for high rounds sometimes i spend a bunch of time and get setup good just for randoms to exfil
@@khristiannatividad9378 I have not played with strangers yet in this game, but high round in public lobby is generally really hard to achieve cuz you have to commit many hours in one game. I would recommend playing solo or with friend if you want to get above 50 rounds
@ ive gotten to round 55 with some randoms the other day at to like 65 by myself i dont have a problem playing with not as good players its more so that more often than not people wanna exfil at 11
@@khristiannatividad9378 Yeah agree, that is just pointless to play public match and begin exfil at round 11
I miss the barriers that gave points from replacing them
for real I load up bo6 zombies and im confused where carpenter went. Then why I'm not cracking knuckles pack a punching
I absolutely hate the mindset of "easy = bad and hard = good" in games. Because people crying about the game looking bad because it looked to easy are the reason we got boss spam.
Boss spam isn’t even hard, it’s just annoying. Give me more zombie spawns instead of a dozen manglers and abominations. They just tank all of my ammo
@Thomas-rz5nt the golden age of zombies was bo3. Bo3 is the easiest zombies to date lmao. U have like 30 seconds of invisibility for free with in plain sight and 2mins of it with idle eyes and way way more op gums and way way more op items. The shield. Wonder weapons were at the most op too. And then the specialist weapons and the dead wire ammo mod. It's dumb how fans act like hard is good when the numbers show the peak was when it was at the easiest.
@@georgec9384 ??? He just said that round 20 in previous iterations like bo3 was really comparable to round 40 in bo6 which is exactly my average in both games....
Bo6 feels like a horde grinder where you are a super solider thrown to grind some meat unlike a survivor in up to bo3... I can't even compare it to an another game with zombies because the likes of killing floor or left 4 dead would actually make me work more for my survival.
It's like Payday 2 pretty much. Hordes of hordes of cops thrown at me but without a goal beyond the one mission per map.
I really feel safer in bo6 DESPITE THE HORRENDOUS LAG with the legendary, 3 tier of pap, 4 self revive, football places to run around.
The only difficulty is shooting correctly the 3 head monster.
@drakehellstone208 Go buy a survival horror game if that's what you want, keep the survival horror out of cod, and let's keep zombies as a zombie meatgrinder as it should be.
@@mustachio2your the problem. It was never meant to be a zombie meat grinder. It was and has been always about "how long can you survive"
George is carrying a stage light from a film set. That is peak design right there lmao
People are really starting to forget that old zombies was extremely repetitive. I’m happy they changed it to have other things to do other than just training and surviving high rounds. I think people have nostalgic haze and don’t really remember that a lot of people put zombies down due to it being so monotonous and repetitious.
Spamming Mutant Injections next to a workbench to get to high rounds is just as repetitive as training, the difference is you can actually die while holding a Thundergun you can’t die as a Mangler
@@nque7655That aint an obligatory strategy, not everyone plays like the youtubers mate
@@nque7655 I had no idea people play like that
@@nque7655 talking about a high round strat, regular people don't play like that, his point is there is change, new things added to the game, good things that people reject because it isn't OG. its a dumb and close-minded way to hate on other's love for this game.
Well I get both sides... But I believe bo6 zombies isn't fun bc it doesn't feel like a survival mode everything is thrown in your face! I liked the tough gritty nature of Nazi zombies. And everything gets repetitive if you Play it to much
I feel like calling zombies past bo1 a horror survival game mode is a big stretch
True, I actually loved tranzit and its scary fog areas you could get stuck in, but it was the last "scary horror" map.
Bo2 wasn't very horror driven but transit had some, die rise had a mix coz of the lower levels, buried not really but the haunted mansion maybe counts, mob fits and origins no but I'm far more scared of the panzer than anything Bo6 has put out
It's not even a stretch, it's straight idiotic. People just see an spooky atmosphere and ignore how the gameplay works, mistaking it with trying to be scary
I agree for the most part but what about COD: WW2? I thought those zombie maps, especially the base map were creepy as hell
@@shauncharlton961 yeah but it was an outlier
I think a lot of og zombies players will never like any of the new zombies games simply because it's different than classic zombies. I started playing zombies in waw but if zombies never evolved after say bo1 everyone would be complaining that the treyarch never tried to innovate the game mode and that it's becoming stale . Like it or not change and innovation are inevitable whether good or bad it just is what it is. Classic zombies will never return and that's not inherently a bad thing the whole franchise is completely different than what it was in 2010. I've got my issues with bo6 but on the whole I'm enjoying it so far and hope the rest of the maps are as good of quality as liberty falls and terminus.
I think people are too invested in things they don’t like. People swear they hate Cod up and down but continue to involve themselves in forums and comments spitting the same “cod isn’t the same anymore bs” It’s as easy as turning your phone off and not playing or watching the game
@@1paperrouteif people have a passion for something and see it being ruined they’ll be compelled to talk about it. That’s basic human nature lil dude
Innovation is necessary because that’s what zombies was all about. Zombies started out by taking things already established in multiplayer and campaign, and turning it into a brand new experience. Every game after that made unique innovations to the mode that we didn’t see anywhere else(boss zombies, buildables, gobble gums, etc.). At times it felt like you weren’t even playing call of duty with how different zombies felt to the rest of the game. The problem with this new era of zombies is that it doesn’t try to innovate in a way that the old games did. The majority of the “innovations” are just MP and Warzone mechanics just slapped into zombies with no real effort to make them play or feel differently. Four years later and we still have the same problem. Everything in this game does the exact same things CW did but better and while yes there is a difference in how some of the mechanics function it’s not that big of a difference to write home about. That’s why me and a decent amount of people are just unsatisfied with this game not because it’s too different but because it’s not different enough.
This logic doesn’t make sense when black ops 3 wasn’t even close to being classic yet everyone loves it
Innovation = Adding MP/Warzone features with little to no change whatsoever.
I was a ripe 9 years old when bo2 released, and played my first match of transit at a friends house late at night on his ps3, and I was pulled right in, I tried ww2 zombies, Cold War, and bo6, and none of them feel right to me, I could just be too harsh but everything feels shallow and soulless, it’s not the same recipe made with love and bursting with personality, it hurts to admit that, it hurts to see the series lose something that created some of my best childhood memories
im 26, and watching this makes me feel out. its sad.
Same. Same age, same feeling. We aren’t the audience anymore. This mode ain’t for us. And it’s probably time to move on… because it would be straight up Copium to think the zombies of old could return.
@@alexbasha0508unfortunately the clock ticks, but multiplayer is fun, aside the new slide and dive shit lmao. Ill catch yall in the next one, cheers gang 🫱🏼🫲🏻🍻
@@alexbasha0508if you haven’t I would try the new map that just dropped and run the EE I feel like it’s very reminiscent of Der Eisendrache and Origins
I dunno yanno I'm 32 i played WaW zombies and black ops 1. Maybe I played 2 and 3 i dunno i can't remember playing them but I played a ton of black ops 1 zombies.
I'm loving this one and I only play liberty falls atm too.
@@alexbasha0508 Coping OG zombies would return is a business nowadays. I feel like it had to be said.
So you telling me… they ruined the old point system… of a game, that a bunch of ppl that’s not their immediate family, play… because his brother got mad????? ARE YOU SERIOUS?
Brother if they making decisions like that based off stuff like that we ain’t never getting a good zombies 😂(ideal zombies the zombies we been getting is average maybe below average in terms of replay ability and fun to fucking play)
You really think they'll change their whole design for one person complain? God... I knew old zombies players were mostly stupid, but not at this level...
Dog the system changed in bo4, the only difference between bo4 and this system is you don't get points on damage, bo4 had a fixed amount of points per zombie. Jason blundell changed the system first, the system was always going to change.
Its more so about realization, a detachment from the deeply woven formula. The cult standard lol. It was smth that was so minor that ppl took way too seriously. It's like hey let's stop being aggressive nerds about this and just change the point system. It's by no means better but it still can change to get better
@@soratheone1365 brother ik it changed in BO4, what’s your point?
It’s really unfortunate how correct you are. Old zombies is dead and it’s not coming back and I hate the new system so that’s it.
Ok UNC
Xd
People who tend to exclusively love og zombies but hate new zombies tended to overly hate BO4, causing that to fail and make og zombies unreturnable to.
Cool. I started playing from the beginning and love bo6. And I mean the beginning. Waw. To now. Your choice not to find enjoyment in something with so much love and care put into it. Be a hard headed mofo. We dont care, we’ll continue to leave you behind and find enjoyment in it.
@@CERRYGREENBAYfinding enjoyment in something is a feeling, not a choice. But k lol. Keep playing that warzoned zombies mode loc.
Modern day zombies kinda feels like those Arcade shooters at movie theatres where you had to clear rooms of aliens.
I think the point about not embracing mediocrity is how I’ve really felt about this new zombies because it’s not that it’s bad hell me and my friends really enjoy our time with the game it’s the fact that it strays so far away from anything even considering classic zombies and it looks like there’s no plans on going back
It’s its own thing and that’s okay. If it’s fun it’s fun
@@DeeCeeHaichartificially difficult? Zero map design?
If they were able to design maps during the Jetpack era then they can design maps for sliding and diving. Anyways why does advanced movement in zombies matter? Tranzit was also a random town. Just couldnt see it
@@_playa_ but they didn't have jetpacks in black ops 3 zombies. advanced movement in zombies absolutely does matter, because it means you can simply jump away from the zombies extremely easily any time you're in even the slightest danger, this is actually also a problem in bo3 when it comes to sliding, and treyarch counteracted that by making zombies prevent you from sprinting when they hit you, they later removed that due to community complaints, despite its objective necessity. Tranzit was absolutely not just a random town, like it's absolutely insane to conflate it with liberty falls, seriously, compare the town survival map with a similar sized area within liberty falls. the latter is a complete joke.
also funny because advanced warfare had jetpacks, but unlike treyarch in bo6, they actually added an EMP zombie to disable them, which, personally, I think is bad game design, and jetpacks shouldn't have been in the game in the first place. but at least they tried unlike treyarch.
@@DeeCeeHaich”bad game design when something is countered.” EMP zombies were annoying to deal with but without it makes it so much easier. Remove jet packs from AW zombies now there’s no reason to have EMP zombies or zombies with jet packs making it that much less gameplay.
Bad game design should actually literally just be game design that is broken, unfun globally, or something like this imo.
I love that zombies purists are in a dumpster fire of broken hopes and suffering because they're too inflexible to look at anything beyond their tiny centimeter of vision, and Treyarch hates them and did this on purpose cause they want their trash negativity out of their community.
Im still in awe that a little kid essentially telling his Dad “I don’t like being told I’m doing it wrong.” is the reason I can’t rack up a decent chunk of change for 20 rounds now 😂😂😂
I mean, thats just one reason it was a terrible system. Its also the most obvious glaring issue when the playerbase is flaming you for killing zombies in a game where killing zombies is the literal game itself because the game incentivizes not killing the zombie as long as possible.
@@duo1666bro shoulda just played by himself lol
@@helmetboy431 It wouldnt change the fact that the old system was objectively terrible game design.
@@duo1666 so what you’re saying is, no one should learn the advanced mechanics of a game they wanna get into? It’s also the communities fault someone won’t have enough to buy doors, perks, box, PAP bc it hurts their feelings being told they’re wrong about something? Objectively is worse having to wait til round 15-18 to actually buy to and through electric/PAP.
@@HoraceKock Advanced mechanics arent something that directly hinders both the core game design of said game (killing zombies) and makes the vast majority of the weapons completely unusable (if it does too much damage and isnt a wonder weapon, its useless)
In Verruckt and Shi No Numa Jug doesn't really give more health it gives a massive increase to regen speed and massively reduces regen delay. It was changed to what we know it for today in Der Riese which is probably why the Wonderwaffe glitch happened as it probably was intended to temporarily decreased regeneration rate, which likely hit negative and probably disabled it because of it.
actually never knew this
I think the biggest hit to the classic zombies feel (including a lot of the fun) is how little you have to worry about your loadout. Point per kill means every gun is a point gun. Ammo boxes are everywhere so you don’t even have to consider how much stock ammo you can hold on any weapon. Picking your loadout on startup means you never have to search for a wall buy or gamble the box for your favorite weapon. Wonder weapons don’t even feel special anymore when you can triple pap your starter gun and make it shoot lightning or fire or ice or void or turn zombies into your own minions.
This is clearly why there’s such a problem with artificial difficulty. Using your guns wisely and weighing out chance from the box or going for a consistent wall buy where you can buy ammo from, or which guns would be your point gun which did low damage but had a lot of bullets and your damage gun were major decisions that could only be developed through practice of any specific map. They ripped away all strategy from the game so difficulty scaling sidesteps strategy entirely. You go in with your one gun your grinding a camo on and kill stuff the same way you do with every gun, take a total of 4 minutes to open up the whole map, max upgrade your one gun then exfil. Repeat. All while never having bought a wall gun or mystery box cause, y’know, I’m trying to grind camos. Just remove the starting loadouts and a lot of the other issues wouldn’t be that bad anyways but they’re currently on full display.
tl;dr the game feels bad cause you never ever have to swap out your starting gun
Then don't play it that way. Don't make a load out. force yourself to get a wall gun and have strategy like you are wanting. Just because it's how you want to play zombies doesn't mean it's how everyone should be forced to play. I work nearly 13 hours a day and don't have the time to learn every weapon and map for every new COD or update. I want to get home from work have a few beers turn my brain off and see how long I can survive till I die or get bored. Just like I did when I got home from school as a kid. It honestly feels like all the training and extra shit was added so people could say "oh I'm better at zombies then you cause you're just a casual and I do all the easter eggs and spend 5 hours getting to wave 999" when all I hear is I have absolutely no life.
It’s the kill point system that i absolutely hate with BO6
I miss seeing 10 pts go up for hits n window boarding to get the last few points needed to get this or that. I like BO6 but yea the ammo crates, points, mini bosses and armor is too far off for me to see it as a zombies game that makes me use my mind to ensure I can reach rounds with finesse, now it’s high rounds with ease.
That's a change I'm fond of. It rewards you for efficiency rather than farming.
@@drippyeyesarelegendary5356window boarding was useless af during bo3 😭
As someone who’s played cod zombies since the start I think that cod zombies is going in a good direction rn. We all know that the og zombies experience is the best but let’s be honest it’s hard to get into for anyone who didn’t really grow up with it there’s so much that a new player would have to learn by now that they’ll just want to play other things where they don’t need to think. Bo6 is a great introduction game for new zombies players because it gives them good gameplay has a difficulty spike and eventually they’ll wanna do the Easter egg after playing for a while might look into zombies yt videos from there and will be more willing to try the old zombies experiences and fall in love with the game-mode and want more. Bo6 isn’t perfect by any means but it’s a good starting point for new people to get into. For old zombies fans it’s not too bad has engaging Easter eggs has had the zombies community booming since launch and this is the closest our community has been since bo3 days, the gameplay is decently engaging allows for some dumb but funny moments and the augment system is actually pretty neat and allows for a little progression which we didn’t really have as much with old cods, Cold War had a similar progression system but it just wasn’t as good and felt more tedious than a fun grind.
I agree with all you said
Zombies was never the same and will never be as good after Nikolai killed off Ultimis and Primis then Sam and Eddie walked out of the great aether universe into the now underwhelming dark aether universe
20:50 this is just wrong, most people i see enjoying bo6 have played since the launch of WaW and stopped playing at BO3. there is nothing wrong with the mode changing
19:00 I’m actually so thankful for the customizable UI. When I watch gameplay I can’t believe how much stuff is on screen by default
One big point I don't see a lot of people making is the fact the most of the guys at Treyarch that worked on WAW throughout BO4 have left. Most notably Blundell, Daniel Cheng and Ken Harsha. Add that to the warzonification effect and it's not hard to see how unlikely it is for zombies to be truly great again. And all of this is coming from someone who enjoys both CW and BO6. Awesome analysis btw =)
Nothing will ever beat the old universe though (bo 1, 2, and 3) because the detail was way higher and they didnt have all the extra ui's. Plus the design was more scary like an actual apocalypse.
Treyarch are doing just fine imo. They cant go back to old zombies because you cant keep making the same stuff over and over because we'd get tired of it. The only problem I have with bo6 is the stupid point system. And now my absolute unreal fantasy would be for victis to come back from the dark aether and have some sort of black ops 3 movement with them, or a classic zombies gamemode with remastered maps. And the cherry on top: custom maps. Again, this is very far from reality. Is it what I got? No. Am I gonna piss on the game because my unrealistic expectations didn't match the reality? No
Don't mean to be that guy but this really just reads like straight-up cope
@deepism I just said that treyarch is doing just fine and said how even when I didnt get what I wanted I still liked the game for what it is. I guess you can call it coping. Life gave me lemons and i made lemonade
“You can’t keep making the same stuff over and over” isn’t that what they’ve been doing these past couple years 😂
@@killculator8124 cheeto
@@deepismpeople like you call every opposing opinion fuckin cope,”i like bo6 zombies” “cope” like shut up dog
Do people know that if they keep doing the same design over and over again people will say that it’s boring and there is nothing new, it’s better to use what you have
Youre right about the ammo crates, they make everything so much easier. I just started playing BO4 zombies again and I have run out of ammo for both my guns without realizing it multiple times already. Having to decide when to shoot instead of always just firing at first glance makes a huge difference in difficulty and strategy
20:46 the og Minecraft music in the background gives me so much nostalgia.
B03 was the turning point for zombies for me. That's when it stopped being a survival horror. And started being a horror action game with obscure Easter eggs
It NEVER was survival horror, we had wonder weapons since BO1 ffs
@ with Fantasy elements but yes it was.
@@brandonw6139No it wasnt, there was no resource management outside of points, which from round 20 and on were plenty, you'll basically never run out of them. This is aint Resident Evil dude, and it never tried to be
@ it was call of duties take on that genre. You think a side mode is gonna have all sorts of resources and new models?
@@brandonw6139Zombies were actually based on tower defense tf you are on? And with every game has been going more arcade than hardcore. Never went to a survival horror type of gameplay
The classic period of Call of Duty Zombies was 2008-2013. BO6 and CW were released almost a decade after this ended with COD's core gameplay having underwent significant change in this time. It was bound to happen that zombies would change from where it originally started. Making zombies accessible to a wider audience isn't a particularly bad thing and may encourage people to go back and play the older games to get a better experience of them.
Totally agree with you about ammo crate spam though, having one ammo a la ammomatic would be a good idea
The new strategy is hoarding points in the 20s by doing side Easter eggs for free perks and weapons/upgrades. This gives incentive to use each map to its full potential, and requires skill for living on less than what you need- avoiding purchasing perks and the like. Later rounds you have to use those points for traps as the zombies are hard to kill. Terminus is great because you can get everything you need from fishing, if you can survive that long- unlimited perkaholics, ray guns, weapon upgrades, etc
As someone who used to play a lot of high round BO1 and BO2, i love BO6 for the most part. The only things i don’t like is the “artificial difficulty”, the mini boss spam, and the armor plates (since it is annoying to refill all the time). Other than i’ve been having a really good time playing zombies, and i like the perk system, point system, and so on.
felt the “i dont have enough points for that” in my soul damn still be thinking perks are their old prices sometimes idek why i played hella cw and bo6 so far
I didn't start playing zombies until after Bo4 released although I started with Bo3, and I'm terrible at the old games. I rarely get past round 25, and when I do I die in the 30s, but I enjoyed it. I liked having to get to 30 and then working for a slightly higher round PB being my goal.
Because I don't like doing Easter Eggs, playing Bo2 and Bo3 is all about beating my PB, although it's not insanely high, I didn't care because it was fun and difficult. (I could never go higher anyways because I mostly avoid using WWs lol)
I love playing CW and Bo6, they're incredibly fun and satisfying games, and are my favorites to turn on and mindlessly watch something in the background, but they aren't goal fulfilling. I got to 200 in CW with little to no effort and only really did it because I had nothing else going on that day. In Bo6 I was working towards round 100 for the calling card but failed in the 60s, but it wasn't fun and I haven't really attempted it since. Every single game in Bo6 I exfil on round 31, because playing above that is tedious and a waste of time, I don't even feel accomplished for getting to 31 like I used to, and I wouldn't feel accomplished even getting to 100 because it's more of a time sync than it is an achievement.
I'm fine with the direction CW and Bo6 took, because the games are incredibly fun, and tbh I love the camo grind, and I am the target audience when it comes to the dopamine release. They just need to tone down the miniboss spam and find another way of making the game difficult (Scorestreaks are definitely the biggest issue for player strength imo.)
I personally enjoy forcing the game to be similar to at least Bo3/4. I spawn in with the 9mm Pistol with no attachments, don't allow myself to build scorestreaks or equipment, only allow myself to buy 4 perks (But I'm allowed to get more from SAM Trial rewards), and I only use augments that feel like they fit in the classic games (Turtle Shell Jugg. Dying Wish QR, and Electric Cherry EP, are my favorites to equip because of the old perks being combined together)
On that topic of Audible Stimuli, nothing hit harder than completing challenges in the origional MW2
all these ease of life improvements and my homies still cant make it past round 25 🤣
9:02 this is why I am a broke bitch... this is the reason. Wow
“My little brother didn’t like it so now you guys can’t have it.” Is so crazy lmfao
@@HoraceKock y'all keep blowing that out of proportion, he said it was a reason not the main contributing reason. You forget that decisions like this are passed through multiple people before they're decided on.
@@funtimemadness4974 multiple people fucked up and that hasn’t been forgotten at all
@@funtimemadness4974Yeah and those people made a bad decision.
Guys, this new citadel map is hitting a spot
They'll never make a game so good you won't buy the next game. They will intentionality make it worse so they would bring it back as a selling point
Not in this case. BO6 upgrades everything from Cold War
@@ivanmartinez743 u just proved Naive Chickens point lmao
@@grumpygrant4537No? Cuz Cold War was actually good, i just called BO6 an improvement over it, like you know, SEQUELS are supposed to be?
they dont need to do this.. they will sell no matter what
@@ivanmartinez743Yeah “supposed to be” an improvement doesn’t mean they’ll always be. Yeah, I would take BO6 over CW but both are not good to a good portion of the zombies community, mostly the “Old Heads.”
I think this is a good zombies and this is a needed evolution. I’m sure the devs were really losing it trying to innovate on a tired formula. I love classic zombies but after 10+ years, an evolution was needed. But I PRAY they add a dlc pack to play all the old zombies on bo6. Even if it’s paid dlc. 30$ for all classic maps would be such a win. A huge wish I know but a man can dream
Whatever you say old man yelling at cloud.
Tbh I feel like people don’t like BO6 zombies mainly because truthfully it is more Easter egg orientated instead of high round (reason they have director mode) . In my opinion the Easter eggs in BO6 have been harder than any other zombies game, try beating terminus with no shield and just PHD, Staminup, quick revive, and jug. All the other zombies games are manageable with only those things but with BO6 those are needed
Best zombies mode ever - all pre teens
Cry some more unc holy
I mean, you don't need to strawman people, right?
I've been palying cod zombies ever since BO2 along with the Killing Floor series, funny enough the modern zombies reminds me more of Killing Floor which I personally have way more fun than what I used to back on BO2, it's probably why they put specialists and other crazy fun stuff on BO3.
I'm sure there are other people out there that have been around for awhile but have more fun on BO6 than what they used to back on WaW/BO1/BO2.
@@OCovilDoMarcosi with you, it isnt classic zombies, but alot of the bo6 changes from cold war brought it back im someways to being more classic like.
I love black ops 3, i mean zombies chronicles was legendary, being in middle school when origins dropped going home and staying up all night during bo2.
I think black ops 6 counts where it matters, its alot of fun, its rewarding, and just enjoyable
@@OCovilDoMarcos Which KF? The first one or second?
As someone who's been a huge Zombies fan since early BO1, while I can definitely respect people's preference for the old points system, it really frustrates me when people rely on the claim that the new points system "limits play styles" or player choice, as an argument against it, as after over 300 hours in BO6 zombies, I've found the results to be quite the opposite. Of course there are flaws with both, and of course personal preferences are allowed, but I just feel the claim about limiting options is fully unfounded. With the old points system you were HEAVILY punished for using low RPM, high damage weapons, which meant that 99/100 times, players are funneled to the highest fire rate, lowest damage weapons, whereas with the new system, barring explosive weapons, any weapon type you use where you're consistently hitting headshots, is just about as viable (if you're skillful with the weapon) as any other. You like snipers? Shotguns? Semi-auto rifles? You can succeed with them. You simply cannot say the same for the old points system. Yes you could use those weapons, but you would be putting yourself at a significant disadvantage by doing so.
9:35 taught my gf how to do it without any issue. Its not hard to learn at all
Best quality of life change with armor is removing the different tiers in the wall buys and have any of them be able to upgrade tiers given you have the points
They should just put hard mode for players like you but people like me wanna play and chill life is hard enough
Jingle Hells mode made people mad 😅 very funny.... I'm sure a lot of people still don't have all the Ammo Mods upgraded😱
With some slight tweaks this zombies would be perfect.
Regardless, first time in a long time zombies is fun and has some og feel
17:50 glad I'm not the only one who noticed this
Personally I like that the xp is tied between all 3 modes. I play zombies mainly but it's nice being able to switch to my with friends and not feel like I'm wasting time for leveling while playing a mode I personally hate now
I don’t know why it irks me so bad, but when they keep saying “number 1 cod game of all time” I don’t understand how they’re not realizing it’s literally only because of game pass. I don’t know a single person that actually owns the game, and anyone else I know that doesn’t own game pass has no intention of getting the game. Without game pass I think this game would not be doing nearly the numbers it has. I like BO6 but it’s nothing I’m freaking out about, and I bet most people are the same way.
12:03 hear me out about a modern wonderfizz, you can still get every perk in the game with it but you have two choices. First you buy a random perk from the wunderfizz and your forced to watch animation for each perk, second option is only available if you have the money for every perk, you drink a “Der Wonderfizz Percaholic” which gives you every perk and forces you into an animation twice as long as the usual drink animation
I don't understand why there's such heavy emphasis on criticizing Bo6 for being an arcade shooter when CoD Zombies has been an arcade shooter since WaW.
Unpopular opinion but I actually really like BO6 zombies. I only have 2 complaints:
1. No Tombstone or Double Tap. I miss these.
2. Gobblegum. It can help a lot but I hate that it is a consumable that you have to grind for. It makes it so some zombie runs are inherently doomed to not go as far because you didn't bring enough of the "good" gobblegums. I would prefer that every zombies game started out with the same advantages so every run feels equally valuable and worthwhile.
Rose tinted glasses are crazy
I never played zombies for EE in all my years of cod. But BO6 zombies made me a fan of zombies and now I’m going back to explore the old ones. I’ve completed all 3 maps on BO6. The newest map feels like how old zombies was
Zombies is not a ‘horror survival’. It’s an evolved arcade mode
That Astronaut turnt up 😂 6:12
Still holding my breath for the classic mode that got leaked pre-launch
it may be possible as im pretty sure in one of the seasons of black ops 6 we probably wont get a new map, but possibly a new mode, or new content, you also can't forget that grief is in the files too
Classic Mode has been leaked since CW... 4 years ago... It's just not happening anymore
@ well damn 💀
@@ivanmartinez743theres slight hope as they randomly added the og wunderfizz into the files, i dont see why it would ever comeback aside from a classic mode (massive cope)
I honestly don’t see it happening…
As much as I NEED it to come back, they will most likely never will…
9:15 i think it goes back to the thing you just said about other playstyles. That devs brother was using his own play style, which was a style about killing the zombies asap. He got bullied off the game to a point he didn't want to play again. I don't think the system change because it was complicated or too hard to understand it was that certain players are total dicks and will bully people off the game for not playing optimally to maximize points.
12:35 "..it outshines anything else you could put in that slot" that's exactly why they removed the limit ever since bo2 or 3 the cod devs have been trying to elemnate the "crutch perks" which is basically the 4 perks that basically every player uses on 90% if maps
Jugg, Speed, Tapp, and Quick once you've used all 3 reves stamin-up. There wasn't good reason to take most other perks because they were too situational or just weren't good. Basically, anytime one of the big 5 wasn't used is if it wasn't available, and usually people would just find the next best perk like everyone taking Electric Cherry on MotD
The Call of Duty community at work
True, people say that play styles were more varied in the older games but that’s not really true, majority of the player base were using the exact same weapons, launchers, snipers, and even several pistols and full auto weapons were overshadowed by either the best shotgun or fastest killing weapons in high rounds, with having all weapons viable and perks not limited, players can play in any way they want without being forced into a certain way to do things, I can agree maybe the point system can be improved upon, but the concept is a good way to create diversity, something the older games had a harder time doing. If there is maybe an increasing point system, where in early rounds it’s the same way we have it now, but like around 25 or so, the point system increases by a certain percentage so that high rounding is not a constant kill streak fest, I don’t know, I just know that high rounds are only difficult due to ammo being a need and points being drained within seconds. Either way, there are good and bad in bo6, but that’s within every game so it’s normal.
Well maybe his brother shouldn’t be such a little pussy and man up
The last bit around 18:00 is the one thing about the agument system i could quite put into words like it felt bad being able to tank WAAAY kess dam caude my jug wasnt upgraded
6:09 Forgot the scientist that takes your gun on Five
Small correction, jaaon blundell changed the point system in bo4, it's mix between the current kill system we have now and the dmg for points system, you can get points on damage but it's a fixed amount.
Having a perk limit is just gonna reintroduce the crutch perk problem, perk limit was just dumb, keep the inflation system it works.
Armour is definitely a resource management, zombies do more damage as rounds go on, without armour you get 1 shot, the risk to armour is having to plate up, you're forced into hipfire so you're less accurate and with less accuracy zombies have a higher chance to hit you before dying. Maybe they should remove the hipfire ability and slow you down by 20% then would y'all be happy? They already gave us the turtle shell augment but people bitch about getting 1 tapped because there's nothing to protect the front.
Also zombies was never survival horror, resident evil is survival horror, they play nothing alike, zombies is an arcade hoard shooter, like killing floor. Call of duty is an arcade shooter, why wouldn't zombies also carry over the arcade aspect? If anything zombies is way more arcade than multiplayer
armor is a shitty ressource that is not needed, they should've just balance it without it and it would be great too.
Im betting u didnt play the old zombies
@@juniordriver487started with bo1
@@DarkworldLPyou don't have to use it, just don't get hit in higher rounds
@@soratheone1365armor has def grown on me, but the points system has to go, and the health cap, those two things destroy progression, balance, and high rounds
I could feel the difference in the voice acting. I love playing as Maya, who is making you constantly laugh - all the levity in the dialogue of everyone keeps things light, and it's always action packed, never approaches scary. I like the big "BYE. BYE." Voice lmao watching the Cutscene of a mangler up close killing you is pretty creepy, but it feels actually less "horror" than original DMC
I think it ended after bo4 when the aether story started
I’ve thought a lot about the new point system. And here’s my opinion.
It’s actually a decent system. I enjoyed the old point system like all the classic zombie players (played since the OG map dropped in WAW). But the thing about the old system was, it rewarded more bullet spam to maximize points. Early game everyone including myself would always choose the semi auto rifle over the shotgun. And in bo6 zombies this would really limit explosive/shotgun/sniper guns. Which is like 1/4 of the total guns. Especially since there is a camo grind for zombies now it would handicap you so much for trying to get camos on those gun.
So I think the new system is still really good. Reward headshots and knifes over body kills so there is still a skill factor but it’s not per bullet, but rather how you kill them.
But that’s just my thoughts. Everyone should play the way THEY ENJOY and that’s all that matters at the end of the day!🙂
I hate the coms ban every two weeks. I’ve been coms banned every week since 2 weeks before bo6 dropped. Besides for the one week I only was in party chat. It’s a rated my game, why do you have to ban me from talking cause I said something homophobic or minorly racist.
Um that's hate speech my man. Bans for cursing and some stuff is not warranted but homophobic, or racist stuff isn't exactly okay even in rated M environments. Let's say you go to a bar a place where everyone is 21+ and you use the F slur or the N word to another guest, don't you think getting kicked out is a possibility in that environment?
@ it was a joke and when I do that kinda stuff in public people know I’m joking usually. Eat shorts.
@Juicy_smooyay joke or not how is the ban hammer gonna know?
@ just don’t do it
@Juicy_smooyay it's more than likely an automated system I doubt they have someone reviewing every single case just don't say any crazy shit to randoms it's that simple.
A few things, this game since BO3-4 was leaning more and more against having YOUR GUNS as you could loadout your guns for wallbuys or box pulls even back then with your "classic" Zombies. In BO3 you had gobblegums which arguably were even more powerful since they just changed the same things, but each of those things are more valuable in Bo3, with PaP being only one gobble gum away but it's the down payment that is only followed by elemental pop flavor choices. Double tap being a flat double damage (ignoring the increase of fire rate), and lastly. They ALLOW a player to start with anything. If you don't want to use the items, DON'T leave it on the base 9MM or with the GS-45 for the classic 1911. Given the change in the game's movement system in each game, expecting the SAME map design and the SAME enemy design is only ever asking to have a game repeated for years. I have been playing since WaW, played every map (even if I don't like BO3 because it's ONLY about the slide cancel movement, walking in as tight of a circle around zombies you can normally walk about as fast as and wait on ammo mods to do everything WHICH IS NOT INTERESTING. I train even up to round 50 in BO6, I learned tricks to enjoy the game further, looking for the easiest path is not the ONLY path. And late game of Bo1-4 would NEVER allow for camping like this game has.
I think the ideal solution here is to just release a hardcore mode featuring all the changes mentioned in the video. That would effectively give BO6 zombies easy, normal and hard mode, so there’s something for everyone.
Here’s a thing, I’ve always SUCKED at zombies, but there are people who are worse than me (Friends I play with mostly) so the change really made zombies MUCH easier to get into
Its great that people are enjoying the game but classic fans shouldn't feel alienated for having an opinion and a preference, this game is 100x easier and doesn't appeal to most classic fans, that's fine, it does appeal to warzone/multiplayer fans which is fine, but having something for classic fans would be massively appreciated coz obviously a lot feel left out and forgotten
Nah, fuck that, they would never be satisfied anyway so why bother
Luckily there are 3 Black ops games 🐐
This game is NOT 100 times easier than bo3. You are on crack
Old modded zombies is all we can fall back on.
Idk about the perks argument, most players would push for the same 4 perks constantly, jugg being a staple basically always lol,
In bo6 progression goes into the late game, purchasing all the perks slowly fits well with the gameplay updates.
Hell even in black ops 3 basically everyone used perkaholic which in that game is arguably more OP then all the perks in CW/BO6, the perk limit was honestly the best thing they could’ve changed, and it eliminates the idea of crutch perks when you can choose literally all of them
Plus, with your arguments on the hud, i get it but also its all customizable, you can even remove those badges, and hud, i removed basically everything on the screen that wasnt classic.
FINALLY! Someone in the comments who understands the point of modern zombies! The loadout system, the point system change, the wonderfizz. These are here for BUILD SPECIFIC design.
In classic zombies, what did you do if you wanted to use a sniper, a shotgun, or a melee weapon? You simply don’t. Go find a points smg and start grinding until you can spam an infinite damage tool.
In Cold War, I can CHOOSE the grenade launcher as my starter. I’d then need PHD slider and mule kick immediately because… THAT’S THE PLAYSTYLE I CHOSE and I’m building around it. Suddenly, a wall weapon is useful for the early game because of the strategy in my gameplan.
Gotta love that little stamin-up jingle
Its Impossible to get all perks in Origins with the golden bottles. because there are 9 perks for 8 perk Slots.
1. Juggernog
2 quick revive
3 Speed Cola
4 double Tap
5. Dead shot
6 flopper
7 stamin Up
8 mule kick
9. Electric Cherry
idk why but everybody talking bo6's difficulty and progression are acting like there's no rampge inducer in this game , and honestly if u good at zombies and don't make use of this great feature ur missing a lot
Hey watching the video you left out my scientist friend from black ops five who relieve noobs from there guns and lives lol
I feel like the change in the point system was for good reason, it opens up options for guns. Back in old zombies, it sucked getting a shotgun or sniper out of your first box hit because you would be super behind in points. Some weapons were just unusable early game if you wanted to actually get set up. I personally liked using a sniper in early game zombies, it was fun, but it always felt like I was punished for it. In the new system it doesn’t matter what type of weapon you have, you won’t be help back by your lack of point gain. You don’t need a “point gun” anymore. Don’t get me wrong, this is a moot point after you are all set up, and it decreases the skill of the game, but I think it’s more fun to be able to use fun weapons early game instead of having to stick to an AR or smg
Once you hit the peak, it's all downhill from there.
There’s an episode of South Park that concludes with the message If we already did something perfectly the first time, why do it over again. Black Ops 3 marks the end of an era. Cold War and Black Ops 6 is the beginning of something new, and that’s ok.
Old zombies replay value wasn't great once you reached high rounds once. Love the augment system keeps bringing me back to a game I wouldn't otherwise play at all. The multiplayer is BO6 is horrible
a simple fix should be to cut mangler spawns in half, like half the amount of spawn instances & half the number of manglers per instance spawned. also to make up for this, increased zombie spawns or maybe some random occurring speedster zombie that is super dodgy and fast but not tanky. these are just my spitballs but i feel bo6 zombies would really
benefit from a change of this nature.
I consider myself to be the number one Napalm and shrieker zombie fan and so naturally I want to bring up how good they were as bosses. The shrieker was much faster then normal zombies and it’s blinding shriek was a huge threat when faced with a horde while the Napalm zombie had a much higher health pool which could make him an obstacle when you’re training, however the fact that you can use the napalm zombie as a makeshift fire trap was a huge plus and even the shrieker could be used to stun zombies when it died. And I never see anyone mention that the napalm zombie can sprint if it’s the last zombie in a round and is shot, scared the hell outta me as a kid
My guy… “forced to camp” 😭 bro i train and run in circles all the time, honestly for manglers just run knife PAP 3 legendary and with napalm burst with Melee Machiato. Its for the most part either 2/3 knife kill
I didn’t like Cold War zombies because it felt like warzone slapped with zombies. But it’s a whole lot better with bo6, they threw away the 3 gear system and so far the 2 maps were wayyy better than the last game.
I love zombies, and since I wasn’t around for the earlier ones, I’ve grown with the Cold Wars zombies. Despite this, I think the points per hit rather than points per kill is a much better and more satisfying system. I’m really hoping that they add the other games to game pass soon so that I can experience the early zombies
I'll never forget the first patch for bo6, where I went to continue a camo grind from the previous evening, and all of a sudden zombies were coming out of my pockets and ducking away from me as I tried to fire at them
I feel like the new map has fixed the artifical difficulty problem a little bit best map yet. The tight corners, confusing hallways and narrow hallways has me dying trying to revive my friend around round 30-40 due to getting cornered by a horde in a hallway. There still are alot of amalgums sometimes but it does feel like less than the other maps and the new mini boss is pretty easy to kill and the elemental swords make the amalgams easier to deal with. But if your swords special attack isn’t powered up and you get cornered by a hoard you are basically done for because the sword can only kill one at a time while swinging
6:10 yo didnt know the cosmonaught could jiggy like that
Who else misses asking your older brother/dad to play with you cuz u we’re to scared to play solo
Nostalgia is the death of progress. What would you gain from getting the same exact thing over and over again?
I think the solution is a stand-alone cod zombies with multiple modes. Give us classic round based without all of the extra features, pve extraction, modern round based, and maybe some other modes. Multi-player with a zombie threat? There is a lot on the table.
Hit based system + rebuildables NEED TO RETURN ASAP !!!!
Great input, you hit alot of the points I've felt across the board. Been a fan since WAW where my cousin and I would spam frags on the stairs as a top tier high round strat 😂.
They should just make a separate mode called "classic" on any map where it would only allow you the 4 perk slots and the old point system on BOps6 and call it a day.
I’ve been really enjoying BO6 zombies but I feel like it’s not a survival mode anymore. In classic zombies, you spawn in a small area with just a pistol and have to work your way around the map to turn on power, buy perks, find equipment parts, etc. Now most of these things are handed to you near the start of the game and the focus becomes less on survival and more focused on how many headshots can you get before round 30.
"Victory cannot be achieved without sacrifice Mason"
Really liking the direction this channel has taken with your uploads in the past couple months. The videos feel very polished and are super high quality. Great work man, keep it up 💯
The old point system worked in the old games cuz guns didn’t kill in 2-3 shots. I think you should earn more per kill in the new system, but we don’t have pea shooter guns anymore. The weak guns of the old games was a draw back for me. A round lasting 30-45 minutes cuz I need to hit the box a dozen times to get a wonder weapon is kinda lame.
I just can't force myself to like the new systems at all.. I didn't like them in CW, i tried them again in VG, MWZ and now BO6... i just can't like it no matter how much time I put into it. I recognize the community is loving bo6, but i feel like the gamemode is just not for me anymore.
I’m blessed to have a PC cause Black Ops 3 custom zombies is so fun
Custom zombies is the goat. I never stop playing becuz of it. There's pretty much unlimited maps. A lot of these maps I feel are even better than the official ones. New zombies would have to include custom zombies for me to really be interested in buying another cod. Lol Why buy cod to get 1 or 2 maps when I got unlimited zombies. Lol
@jommunicator can we play
I love how corporatism finds it's way into every aspect of our lifes.
Played BO6 with an old friend, his last game where we really played zomvies together was BO3 and after an hour we went like: "I don't get it. I thought Zombies was supposed to be about getting a gun out of the mystery box and thinking about which perks I want with my limit?!
I never played Liberty Falls and yet, we made it to round 20 the first time?! Why is this so easy?!"
And I actually stood there for a moment and thought to myself that a guy who hasn't been active in this community for over 10 years dropped a banger statement without realizing.
BO6 feels so soulless. I went and after 12 years, I finally did the Origins Easter Egg on my 5th try and I immediately remembered why this mode got so popular in the first place.
I get it, main stream appearance and all, let's water down everything to make every last aspect as appealing as possible to as many people as possible. Movies and TV shows have also fallen victim to that and it killed creativity and don't get me started on the whole AI situation.
The fun part about games is not that they are difficult or easy, it's that they are engaging and make you think and I can't see, even after being half way done with the video, how modern zombies does that.
If Treyarch is so keen on stripping the game of everything that made it unique, at least give us a mode to let us play how we used to.
No mini map, no weird numbers in the middle of the screen, no loadout, no cheap "get out of jail free card by using a streak" and so on.
And all of that makes me sad btw., because I think the camo grind, as well as the progression outside of a single run is the best we've had and it makes me want to come back.
But then I'm in a match and realize, that this zombies doesn't resemble the versions we got in WaW, BO1, BO2, BO3
then they dropped citadele and showed us they did not forgot how to cook . Can't wait for the next map to come.