Albert Mohler, Douglas Wilson, Yoram Hazony | Crisis of Meaning and Morality in the West | NatCon 4
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- Special session panel, featuring Sen. Albert Mohler and Douglas Wilson, moderated by Yoram Hazony, at the National Conservatism Conference in Washington, DC on July 9, 2024.
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Great to see Al Mohler and Doug Wilson sharing the same stage... I hope they will become good friends and work together more.
Al Mohler was the head of the SBC for a very long time. The SBC has become the most corrupt denomination since Charlemagne.
Wilson is the guy who wants to make Vivek Ramaswamy and Vance’s wife ineligible to vote, correct?
Wilson and Mohler shaking hands is the greatest thing ever, orthodox Christianity needs to unite stronger than ever now.
And if I’m being fully honest the Mohlerites/macaurtherites need to seriously take a look at the room and realize who is standing in their corner
I think we’re seeing it already 🙏🏾 even our charismatic brethren
I'm very charismatic and a huge fan of both Wilson and Mohler even though I disagree with them on most finer theological points. Views of soteriology, baptism, eschatology, and the gifts may differ, but we are all servants of one Glorious King and sons of one shared Father and filled with one Spirit. Let's shake hands and storm the gates of Hell, for it cannot prevail against us.
Amen!! Amen!!
Oh my goodness! What’s happening to Dr. Mohler between 8:00-8:20? It’s sounds like he’s either about to break down in tears or pass out. Either way, I sincerely hope he’s ok.
Man, that was scary. I thought the video was messing up.
@@dmeek20 I know and I'm surprised more people aren't seeing it. At first, I thought he was emotional, but after watching it again it's like he was about to pass out from a heart attack. Like I said, I sure hope he's ok.
IKR? Love it!!!
@@MarkCox21125150 You love it that he almost passed out or was crying?
We bless God. I love both Albert Mohler and Douglas Wilson
I love them too. But I do not want them to decide who has political power and authority and who does not.
@@manager0175 Who would you prefer?
@@brianmiller3287 You asked: "Who would you prefer?". "We The People". We (in the US) are a Constitutional Democratic Republic. The decision of who governs is decided by the governed. That is secular, humanist, and utilitarian. Considering the alternatives (dictatorship, fascism, Christian nationalism, authoritarianism, etc.) it is the best option we can get.
A Baptist and a Presbyterian together praise God for this! This is what Protestantism needs!
Dr. Mohler has been in good cooperation with many Presbyterian leaders for years. He has worked closely with ligonier and other reformed organizations. I believe he even lists Ligon Duncan as one of his closest friends. Also Voddie Baucham, Steven Lawson, and John MacArthur are baptist leaders that are in strong cooperation with Orthodox Presbyterian movements even if they disagree on baptism and polity.
@@stevenhenry2146 It's so encouraging to see, isn't it? I watch Dr James White and the guys at Apologia disagree at times with Doug Wilson, but they never fail to call him brother. Maybe we as Christians are finally learning? :)
Doug Wilson is a bad example. He us dangerous
@@RockyTop85 dangerous? Please explain.
@@RockyTop85 Dangerous 😂😂😂
Go tell your mummy to cover your ears then buddy
Tongue twister "totalitolerance" - used by Douglas Wilson on "the fundamentalists who deny fundamentals" 😅
Oh man, you're killing me. You edited it, but didn't fix the spelling of tongue. 😂
He's telling the truth, been a Christian in the UK has caused me to loose jobs or refused employment because I won't subscribe to woke values or attend critical race theory courses. I'm may be struggling to survive but I won't sacrifice my beliefs and values to get a job. I got sacked for calling out anti semitism at work because I upset the Muslims there because I stood up to them. Surviving at the minute on social welfare. But my day will come when I can return to warehouse work and no one well be able to tell me what I'm to do or believe and I can can get on with a days hard work. At least in the US you have the right to work rule there. I'm moving to Austria when I've the money. FPO/OVP parties in rural Austria put Christians and hard work first. Banned the building of new mosques. Protects the small Jewish community and has low taxes on beer and cigarettes which is the working man's right to have. Not dictated by the woke state. They don't listen to central government in Vienna which is full of greens and socialism.
Yeah defend small hats narcissistic genocidial people.
This is deep! People should listen to this kind of speech cause it goes to the root of the problem we’re facing today
Hey this was actually worthwhile. Respect to Yoram Hazony for trying to get Christian brothers to work together. Embarrassing for us but useful definitely.
I lived through the Reagan years , and I voted for Reagan and highly respected him . He greatly increased my love for country and patriotism .
Outstanding discussion! This is what I call real substance.
To Doug Wilson: I like the advice you gave Trump on immediately giving God the glory when he's elected. I believe he will hear you. Americans will hear this as well. Despite everything, true words can still be heard and can be followed by true action.
44:00-44:33 is a stunning admission. It’s a very honest reflection that it is indeed the reformation and its principles that made America what it once was.
Yes!! It is Christ or chaos as Doug often says.
this is amazing talk..learning a lot
i love it! God bless you brothers!
Very insightful discussion - thank you!
My two favorites!
Unfettered immigration has changed our cultural norms, and purchasing all our goods rather than producing has weakened our workforce, and work ethic. So many issues. We are still struggling under Johnson's great society, and Obama division. But God... praise God that He sent His Son, who saves us...
You do know that Reagan said he wanted a open door between the US and Mexico "in both directions"?
@@manager0175 That and Bush II argued that the border should be left open because he argued so many wer Catholic.
It all stunk of using "Y'all need Jesus" as an excuse to have union busters.
The most important words spoken at Nat Con
That was outstanding. I think Yoram's comment/question was particularly convicting. There are hundreds of "flavors" of Christianity...denominations. We can largely agree on the basics: Christ as sole mediator/sacrifice, the virgin birth, the trinity, etc. It's the nitty gritty details that can trip us up too often, far more often than they should. We need to learn to embrace each other and enjoy healthy debate instead of condemning and tearing each other up. A hefty dose of humility for all of us would be such a blessing!
Rise up and unite, Church! Views of soteriology, baptism, eschatology, and the gifts may differ, but we are all servants of one Glorious King and sons of one shared Father and filled with one Spirit. Let's shake hands and storm the gates of Hell, for it will not prevail against us.
So what changed that all of the sudden Doug isn’t an unmentionable anymore?
Big Eva updated their blackball list and removed Doug finally?
He's still heretical.
I think Big Eva’s credibility is going the way of the MSM and no one cares about them anymore.
@@EyreEverThanks for that thorough explanation. Care to give us at least one respect in which he is?
@EyreEver according to who and based on what standard?
This isn't the Big Eva circuit, & I think his appearance on Tucker a while ago has made at least a few people who had probably distanced themselves from him because of his "controversial opinions" (believing the Bible), realise that he may not be as reputationaly toxic as they'd been fearing for so long...
& Dudes hilarious, can't not love him 😅
Great discussion.
Fantastic, witty, chairing by Dr Yoram...
Read his EXCELLENT book::God and politics in Esther.
Awesome speeches!
thank you
Given the RNC, and given the part of Doug’s speech regarding the Overton window. That window moved a very very long way in the wrong direction in only a few days because of the convention and because of the GOP platform. It’s truly horrible.
(6:56) _The ontological grounding of the American order was made very clear in the Declaration of Independence and in other founding documents. When the Founders spoke of nature and Nature's God-that we are endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights-that's a language that is not just decorative nor illustrative. It is hearkening back to what in the Lutheran tradition is referred to as creation order. And I'm glad to say behind that affirmation is what might rightly be called a natural law. The point is it is a created order, it is a revealed order, and it is an order. Behind that order is the God of the Bible, the God of Genesis_
-Albert Mohler
(13:30) _In Robert Kagan’s latest book, he makes an amazingly honest argument: “Liberalism is not inherently about progress, therefore, except the progress that comes from the expanding recognition of people’s rights. It has no teleology, no final resting point toward which it aims.”_
HEAR!! HEAR!!! Mr Wilson!!
Totalitolerant. Weirdbeards. Brilliant!
Christian’s are citizens of heaven , and of America … our vote should be what is good for righteous living .
The talk was great! but as normal the comment section is disappointing.
It breaks my heart to see Mohler on stage with Doug Wilson, a man who should not be a pastor.
Christian stand up and vote for a free America 🇺🇸 that follows our constitution .
Perfect
How do you approach your city about removing pride flags from city property?
Amen amen amen
The UK needs a National Conservatism government with polices that protect their citizens and Christians, low taxes, abolish green taxes, protect the elderly and vulnerable in society, respect the tradition family unit, stop the influence of Islam in government and schools. Teach children properly in school. Support farmers, tax big tech and multi national companies properly. Have jobs for the working nan that he can take pride in. Our Christian and Jewish holidays respected and observed not hidden away incase the muslims take offence. They're guest in our country if they don't like it they can leave.
Reform education. Teach children Religious studies, Maths, reading and writing, proper history,, ethics of right and wrong, and when they are old enough send them to work on a farm for the summer holidays. That's what my parents did. Send me to my Uncles farm in Austria. I learned hard work and a skill base that serves me till today. But living in the UK now there is no churches to attend. The churches here a ruined by woke. Be glad that the US Churches are strong and protected by local and state law. God bless the US. Your the last hope for Christian values in the West.
My mom shipped me off for that and it is one of two things I can't forgive her for.
All I got was 27 years of paranoia from that hellfire and brimstone BS.
A LoTR reference by Dr. Wilson. I love it.
pushing the envelope! 😂......they love you Yoram....
I just wish that American Evangelicals did not harbor such an egregious double standard with regards to the behavior of their own members. They simultaneously endorse things like heterosexual monogamy and traditional values while appointing and defending leaders who are practically sex offenders in their personal lives. I wish these leaders could appreciate what weak ground they stand on when suggesting that gay marriage is a clear and present danger to traditional Christian marriage but refuse to acknowledge that serial adultery, sex with porn stars and bragging about non consensual contact are as great or greater of a failure on this same point. This isn't passive or unthinking hypocrisy either. The bad behavior of Republican leaders is positively celebrated at their political rallies. It's the subject of cheers, laughter and standing ovations. I don't say this to endorse any particular lifestyle but if you wonder why your kids leave the church I want to suggest that its less about liberal professors, rock music, video games or drug use and more about the contradictions they witness within church communities. They can do the math and they can tell you aren't serious when you fail to uphold what you recommend to others.
🙏🏼❤️🔥🕊️
They can see Narnia! 😂
Vote conservative and pray . Share the gospel .
Love Dr Mohler
That this only has 22K views is a travesty.
I did not know there was a word for "Fusionism".
Respectfully, 'traditional' is temporary and construct of culture and location. We are committed to FOUNDATIONAL TRUTHS, PRECEPTS, ETC.
Tradition includes the interpretation and application of religious precepts and tenets. It is also the application to social life of human nature and beliefs. Foundational truths belong to metaphysics, theology, ontology. "Foundational truths" and revelation versus tradition occupy different levels of reality and here on earth without traditional values -and you will be led to political ideology instead.
These people do not know what a nation is.
PREACH PREACHER!!!
Cromwell knew that you didn't pick up thorns with your hands, you use steel!
Uncle Doug!
The citizen draws on general revelation for his/her political theology. This includes theism and natural law and these doctrines are recognized by the state through places of attachment such as the motto, "In God we trust." The saint draws also on special revelation, and this is not recognized by the state or established in any way. Religious toleration is extended to non-theists.
What did the church do during covid
As a large whole, you are correct, but I know of some that stayed open. My current church, Desert Hills Bible, did not close. Instead, they started having extra Friday Night worship meets. Meaning, they met MORE. Apologia didn't close. Doug's church and John MacArthur's didn't. The guys over at Allen Jackson's Church in Tennessee moved outside, even in the rain and bitter cold.
There is hope. And as more Christians relocated to join such churches, it is sending ripples through American Christianity. Don't think the churches that caved aren't aware that they've lost respect. It will cause some to reflect...and maybe repent.
Im a baptist in kentucky 50 years old vet work in treatment center my area is great im talking as a whole politicans and faith leaders thru us under the bus
Depends on which one.
Some churches and church people sell out to "The Current Thing TM."
Others do whatever, and can't be bothered by the crybullies.
Hi hip hooray!
“We have an absolute divine responsibility to be fully respectful of the Jewish people - fully protective…. I do not think a nation can survive without theological commitments. That does not mean that others are not allowed to be part of the community and even invite others so to speak into the community, but it does mean, that there must be an explicit acknowledgement that this is a nation with specific theological accountability and theological commitments. Those coming should respect that, must respect that, understand that. And so, the modern secularist dream is I believe a constitutional nightmare.”
Albert Mohler, what specific theological accountability and theological commitments includes the Jews and Roman Catholics, but excludes the Muslim and Buddhists?
crickets...
If you think our relationship to the Jewish people, fraught though it may be, is no different from our relationship to Muslims, Buddhists and humanists, you're overlooking a major component of the gospel. There's no valid Christendom without an enduring, earthly Davidic throne. There's no Davidic throne without Judahite subjects.
Our Founding Fathers were mostly Deists, who made it quite clear that it wasn't Founded as a Christian Nation.
We're all presuppositional now. . .
having a Christ-denier moderate the Christian discussion, hm
New Covenant Whole Gospel: How many modern Christians cannot honestly answer the questions below?
Who is the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? Who is the “son” that is the “heir” to the land in Matthew 21:37-43? Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple and the Old Covenant city, about 40 years after His Son fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blood at Calvary?
What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word. Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary. What brings all local churches together into one Body under the blood of Christ? The answer is found below.
Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him.
He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth.
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? What did Paul say about Genesis 12:3 in Galatians 3:8, 3:16? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.
Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36)
We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24.
1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
God is not now a “racist”. He has extended His love to all races of people through the New Covenant fulfilled by His Son’s blood at Calvary. The Apostle Paul warned against using “genealogies” in our faith in 1 Tim. 1:4, and Titus 3:9.
The following verses prove the Holy Spirit is the master teacher for those now in the New Covenant.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Watch the RUclips videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay......
Doctrine divides. Action unites. Get on with it. As just someone in the congregation I have times when we point at the teachers. And feel let down. I can’t find any Christian man to stand with Israel. What’s your problem?
race/ethnicity unites
Ethnos is more than ancestry. We need to be a People with common God, common tradition, common law. Kinist paranoia doesn't accomplish that.
Action is totally dependent on and determined by doctrine.
@@davidbell7137 "common God, common tradition, common law" plus common ancestry together.
@@virtualpilgrim8645 would that be midianite, moabite or amorite ancestry? I hope Jesus is an acceptable example
Unfortunately, Albert is stuck in academia. And he has no idea how to speak to the majority of the people he is trying to communicate with. Every other word out of your mouth is ontology or ontological. You know that you’re not gonna reach your audience.
He knows exactly who his audience is. He seeks to influence influencers.
He is not conservative.
The majority of people either understand the basic concept of ontology, what it means to exist, or need to.
@@bradandrews8757 perhaps his audience at that conference were all people who are very familiar with Dr. Mahler and how he communicates. Also, I don’t think that his repeated use of the term ontology related to the nature of being so much as his particular theological viewpoint.
I respectfully I agree with those 2 Evangelical Intellectual giants Mohler and Wilson but one of my concern is that when Jesus said confronted by Pilate face to face he said that my Kingdom is not in this world, if my kingdom in this world then my servants will fight for it but my kingdom is not in this world.Jesus is talking about spitual kingdom not physical kingdom that why Pilate ask him a direct question. I think Christianity is not hard but impossible.
Perhaps, you missed it but Jesus never said that "My kingdom is not *in* this world" but "My kingdom is not *of* this world. The preposition used was "ἐκ". Massive difference.
"Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world.” - John 18:36
@@netsolutionsvpnThink of it as a spiritual public/private affair. He's speaking from the in (place & heart) about the of (eternity).
In an attempt to save his life on April 9, 1945 why didn’t Dietrich Bonhoeffer say, my appeal to Adolf Hitler on V-Day is, as you love God, as you love your country, and as you love your own soul, give explicit glory to the God of heaven and do it in the name of Jesus Christ our Lord.
Even though Hitler was a not a Marxist and was wise enough not to destroy the economy with socialism, I believe Bonhoeffer clearly understood there was no evidence Hitler worshipped God.
Why did Doug Wilson say, “My appeal to Donald Trump would be this: On Inauguration Day, as you love God, as you love your country, and as you love your own soul, give explicit glory to the God of heaven and do it in the name of Jesus Christ our Lord?”
A. Since Trump is not a Marxist or socialist and these two facts are enough proof, he worships God?
B. Doug Wilson believes Trump worships God, but does not do it in the name of Jesus Christ our Lord?
C. Doug Wison believed a biblical call to repentance and faith to Donald Trump would jeopardize his NatCon5 invitation.
D. Doug Wilson was merely addressing Trump in his citizen role, but forgot to bring his Saint role?
E. There was a terrible typo on the teleprompter and Wilson meant to say “as you do not love God”.
F. Fill in the blank _________________________________________________
1.) Trump is no Hitler.
2.) Trump has publicly confessed Christ.
@@spartakos3178 Yes, those two are trues statements are true as well as the following two.
A. Matt 7:21 - Jesus, on the Sermon on the Mount, said, “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
B. Because of the above, and many others verses, I am 100% positive Trump would not be allowed to be a member at Doug Wilson's church.
@@DeanBekkering Neither would I want Trump to be member of Wilson's church, I'd much rather him be a member at a conservative reformed Baptist church. That being said, if Trump took Wilson's advice, the entire nation would benefit.... so, as the colloquialism goes, "What's your problem, bro?"
@@spartakos3178 Bro? For future reference all the cool kids are now using bruh. Bro, why do you think Wilson believes Trump believes in God or why did he uses that term?
59:56 "Is there room for Jews, Muslims, Hindus?" No.
Is that you, Quiñones?
@@ZephaniahL yes
It is distressing to see how many "conservative evangelical Christians" have continued to support and defend Donald Trump. It is a depressing time in our country when we, led by folks who claim the name of Christ in both parties, have selected two men who are, for very different reasons, are unfit to be president.
The foundational problem with "fundamentalists" is that they are the beginning of the logic that leads to atheistic materialism.
I wanted to hear from Yoram Hazony more :(
The stammering Jew?
He starts with typical Christian propaganda. So not worth my time.
Great Conversation. Mohler is sharp and nobody has the cool language range that Wilson does. HOWEVER this is not Kingdom talk. It is political talk, i.e. "National Conservatism." There is no "Good News" here. Entertaining: Check. Intellectual: Check. Jesus: Left Blank
You didn't share the Gospel in your comment, it's not a Kingdom comment. Shame shame I know your name.
Wrong. "The government shall be upon His shoulders."
Did Wilson just pluralize my Christianity? “My appeal to Donald Trump would be this: On Inauguration Day, as you love God... Wait WHAT?
The Kingdom includes the political.
Hey Doug--"loving your neighbor" =/= "take control of the federal government". Yet there's a lot of people today who are very excited about the second and couldn't care less about doing the first (or even do the opposite of loving their neighbor as they proudly fly their Trump flags).
Does loving my neighbor preclude me from taking control of the federal government? Can I not love my neighbor and simultaneously be very excited about taking control of the federal government? Certainly any person who would claim to be a Christian Nationalist should be able do both.
Also, how is one de facto hating his neighbor by flying a Trump flag?
@@timhawley3721 your questions make it obvious I should not waste my time responding. My point stands.
@mikesmith379 nothing says "compelling argument" quite like "if you have to ask for an explanation, then you're too dumb or evil to understand." You'll win lots of hearts and minds with that approach, I'm sure.
@@mikesmith379 Common, Mike. Are you loving you neighbor now?
wilson needs to come to a proper understanding of the gospel and mohler needs to repent for covering up the SA in his denomination.
Not one mention of evangelism. This is not NT Christianity. This is Christendom. Been there; done that; millions killed😭
That's like crying about a conference on using your kitchen appliances not having enough food served or recipes given out. There's a specific purpose to the conference and certainly an even more specific purpose about the particular topic at hand. The idea is that our faith has been effectively sidelined to no effect. It is a call back to being salt and light. Our faith needs action.
@@jacobkoder4903 that action is called “The Great Commission” or as it is most often known among “Reformed”…The Great Omission😂
Christendom gave us western medicine, just war theory, humanitarian aid, the separation of church and state (not a secular created doctrine), the abolition of slavery, and much more. Beyond that, it also gave the world (so shocking!) more Christians. Evangelism is important, but can you imagine how foolish it would be to go back in time and chastise the bishops at the council of Nicea for focusing on combating trinitarian heresies instead of discussing evangelism? Evangelism does not have to be the all-consuming focus of any Christian dialogue. Christian basics do not have to be the only thing we’re allowed to discuss, even though they are essential (read the word essential twice please). If you want to say we shouldn’t ever be able to discuss things outside the essential basics of Christianity, then you would probably condemn Paul for “not focusing on the gospel” because he talks about moving on from “the elementary doctrine of Christ.”
Hebrews 6:1
[1] Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God,
Paul made the Christian religion. @@tropicalpines4585