I Bought an 18" Floor Tom
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- Опубликовано: 7 фев 2025
- Welp, I snagged up this old krusty floor tom from a viewer and gave it some tlc. I always envied those with a 1 up 2 down set up, but all the kits Ive come across are usually just 1 up 1 down or 2 up 1 down. So when I had the chance to grab this 18" for the Superstar I couldn't pass it up!
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22" Bass drum.
rdavidr 16 inch floor Tom
20x22 bass
24” bass
Well ply I have a 25ply snare and it's 7 inches deep
I am totally blind, and I play drums. And I love, listening to your channel you do an excellent job on your videos.
Can I ask how you wrote this?
Either someone helped or it was the speech feature, no idea what it’s called
ZandaPanda They also have been making braille keyboards forever.
ZandaPanda thank you to the people that were pointing out about the Braille keyboards for blind people, but I use voiceover which is a screen reader on my iPhone.
@@brendancifone6569 wait
I've replaced my 16" Floor Tom with an 18" Floor Tom even when I'm playing a 4-piece live! Welcome to the 18" Floor Tom cult!
I recently bought my first kit. 22BD 14snare 13 and 18 inch toms haha. Pretty huge difference in tone between the 13 and 18 of course but i like it
my ideal kit is a 10 inch rack, 12 inch rack, 16 inch floor and an 18 inch floor
@@Eddie848 That’s a standard set up
@@jd0879 It was a standard set back in the 70s into the 80s. Most of the post 2000 kits however don't even offer an 18 floor tom in their series. Instead they consider an 18 drum a bass drum, lame.
@@DG-sf9ei I mean marching bass drums go all the way down to 14" lol
I can't wrap my head around people letting instruments getting like this. Great job on the restoration. Very nice.
So rad. How many kits do you have now? Maybe a collection video should be dropped....
marc richards 100% agreed
@@yolanc3876 Seconded!
yolan c thirded!
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I'm not going to lie. I found it satisfying to watch the drum cleaning montage section of this video :D
I'm in the process of refurbishing a beat up old 18" floor tom and adding it to my kit. Since the wraps I know to buy would have to have a seem I chose to paint it 8 coats and lacquer it and polyurethane it on the inside. This sturdied up the old 5 ply shell and made it pretty solid and shiny black like the rest of my kit. New hardware is from Ebay, still trying to win the auction for the very nice pearl lugs. It was also missing a hoop so I bought that outright from Gibraltar, not interested in buying a used and warped hoop. Still need a head for the top (next paycheck) and new hardware for the legs. (rusted) I learned a lot about restoring old drums by watching your videos and thanks to you I'll be adding a thunderous floor tom at a fraction of the actual cost. Love the videos, don't ever stop.
Tip from a soundengineer, the "tail" of the floortom sound you said you don't want, that's what a tom makes a good tom. Compare it to the snare. Without the tail, you won't hear the snare rattle, only the attack of the stick. A ringing is something that makes the floortom beautiful, don't take it away
It may sound beautiful and unique, but it sticks out and is hard to listen to on an actual track. One of the hardest things about tuning a kit is finding something that sounds good with everybody else, and those overtones are going to sound good only with very specific styles.
till the bass player plays the same note as the resonant frequency and all hell breaks lose
Late to the party here (3 years after the original post), but great job on finding and restoring the FT. I have a Pearl Masters BRX (birch) kit in Vintage Sunburst and was seeking a 16" FT to accompany my 14" FT. It took 5 long, patient years for one to pop up and I grabbed it. Like you, I like my floors to be deep and trying to get the tuning to my liking. Props!
Dude UPS has been sucking lately. A guy I know ordered a BBQ to his home in Arkansas and UPS shipped it to California, marked it as delivered, and left it. Done. The manufacturers had to ship a second one. I recently ordered something that was shipped to within 40 miles of my house to the local distribution center, then 1.5 hours farther away, then back to the local center, then 3 hours the other way to another state, then back to the center where it sat for 2 day before going out for delivery. It was 3 days late because of the detours plus the 2 days of just sitting. I ordered a cymbal a few weeks ago and it similarly went past my house twice, 6 hours one way, then 7.5 hours back the other before finally coming here. UPS again.
yep same here
Im in Pittsburgh, i had i think it was AMS ship from Jersey it went to Louisville,ky then to Youngstown, oh to New Stanton,PA (local distribution center) ALL THE WAY TO Charlotte, NC. They put it on a plane to New York. There must have been an accident from new York to wherever bc the tracking stopped there and i got a refund.
Have a zildjian a custom crash in transit right now through USPS, wish me luck...its already late
😂 i had a similar experience with trailer tires this summer. then when i found out it was delivered to east japip and notified to me as "successful" through amazon, i told them to cancel the order, went with a different seller; the new tires showed up a day or two later, had them installed, and the _other tires were sitting on my parch when i got back from work that night_ 😂😂 on top of that, i went through a whole ordeal returning the tires ( i'm pretty sure i'd already gotten my refund on them, but wanted to be done with them ) 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏻♂️🤣
As someone who used to work for UPS, be easy on ‘em. This is peak season. So many packages come through between Halloween and President’s Day that shit jams up every few minutes. Not to mention, the massive amount of new hires (aka: people who barely know what they’re doing) they bring on board just to keep up with the influx of packages. I remember being so flustered one year during the holidays, I whacked my head on a steel beam while rushing around. I was so concerned with my output, I didn’t even notice the blood gushing out until a couple coworkers freaked out. Another year, a driver and I delivered misloads (packages that got put on the wrong truck) until 11PM on Christmas Eve. Everybody wants the packages to get where they need to be, even if only so there’s less work to do. Hope things go better for you in the future.
I've always loved natural grain and lacquer finishes. Great job bringing that old beast back to life. For years, I played a 14" floor tom with my fusion size kit (20" kick, 8", 10", 12" toms and 14" floor) but am happy to now have a kit with a 16".
Congrats on the 18! I used to have a massive Blue/Olive Ludwig set. It came with two 24'' kicks, 14 and 15'' toms, with an 18 and 20'' floor toms in thermogloss finish. It was an absolute monster! Happy Holidays!!!
My current kit is my second kit, (my first one was literally trash) and I was honestly astounded when I found that you couldn’t get a kit with 14 and 18 inch toms on Sweetwater for less than $4,000, so I pieced it together myself for around half that. 14 inch snare, 10, 12, 14, 16, and 18 inch toms, and a 24 inch kick.
Yes! Finally! A drummer that not only demonstrates drumming skills by utilizing usage of two floor toms but also showing polishing part to respect maintenance!
That 18" sounds amazing! Now what your kit needs is a 24" or 26" kick drum.
yup!
John McNally Why? Just because there's an 18 doesn't mean you have to Bonham the kick. Next you'll tell him he needs to replace his rack tom w a 14. Smh.
@@Timbales1979 Because most shells packs that come with a 13" rack tom and 18" floor tom also have a 24" kick drum?
..in addition to this amazing kit what about an 24" big apple ride, a 22" dark china and some big and low sounding hats and crash
John McNally Ridiculous. That doesn't explain why he NEEDS a 24 or 26.
So I'm currently building my own kit and thanks to your tips of hardware restoration and eBay I have saved a huge amount of money. Thanks!
I mean, that 5 lick at the end is pretty cool.
5 lick ???
@@andreasbreitwieser1449 At 8:28 he starts playing a R-R-- five pattern in the left hand, on top of the RRRK.
Nice...very nice...enjoy your rebuilds & refurbishing of drums , beautiful kit...
Dave: This drum is gonna need some work
Me: Finally, a real christmas miracle
Those floor toms sound incredible. So punchy and dead sounding. Bigger is better when it comes to drums. That’s why I swear by my 13 x 7 snare and never use crash cymbals smaller than 18”. Wish I had those big boy toms 😭 can’t get enough of that dark sound.
Beautiful kit man. Love TAMA. Love 18’s. Love the natural wood look.
I have a Sonor kit with a 16 & 18" FT. Just today I purchased a complete set of Evans hydraulic heads for it. It's for studio only and I recently removed the reso heads as well as the hardware to eliminate rattle. It really gave the drums a much deeper rich sound. Can't wait for the new heads. First time trying hydraulic heads.
Cool job on finding and cleaning up a matching 18 FT.
I have two 18" 80s era superstars. The reason being the kit was a bequeathment from the drummer in my father's band and he had cut the shells in half. Part of me wishes they could be restored but I'm happy to be a part of their history.
It's therapeutic watching your drum resto time lapses. thanks for sharing. Merry Christmas Dave!
Channeling your inner Bonham! Congrats! I own a set of 1986 TAMA Superstars with 16 & 18 FTs.
Using double ply heads top and bottom makes a HUGE difference. I like EVANS hydraulics on top, and any type of self-damped head on the bottom. Diecast batter hoops also makes a huge difference. Results in a thick, fat, meaty low fundamental with reduced high harmonics + controlled decay. Hope this helps you. Happy Holidays 2019 to all!!
Aluminum foil works great, dip the foil in coca cola to remove rust spots. I'm a automotive detailer and alot of the tricks I've learned can be used on drums. Another good cheat on painted surfaces or wraps. If you have a spot that is coming off but you need to really put some elbow grease into it. Try using soapy water and a dryer sheet before using a solvent. We use this to remove bugs, tar, and sap. I keep a spray bottle with water and two dryer sheets in it. I use it as a presoak, then I rinse grab a few sheets and my bottle scrub all the heavy bug areas, and then I wash. I was skeptical at first, but once I added it to my routine I found it can save me half-hour to an hour per detail.
Hey David! My main kit is the same Tama Superstar and I have the 12, 13, 16, and 18 inch toms..I'm telling you this because it was my dad's and he purchased them new back in '84. He tried so many different formulas of top and bottom heads and over the years I have as well, but what he discovered and taught me has really made me fall in love with them. Let's talk some time. Thank you for the awesome content. All the best to you.
2011 MCM lick sounds good on that drum!
My kit is a 1972 Ludwig thermogloss (natural glossy) maple finish, the sizes are 14, 18, 22 and I’m in love with the tone of the 18, super cool that you added one to your kit!
Super cool vid as all of yours are! This sounds like every 18" I've ever played outside of one DW Collector's Cherry. That one did not have the excessive SPLAT/THUD attack or the annoying mid range overtones. It resonated very pleasantly like any other tom. I think this drum would benefit from different heads and a different mic. I would recommend either a smooth white finish or suede finish Remo OR a frosted Evans head. Finding an actual tom head rather than a bass head might be challenging in those finishes. I find that these finishes deliver a controlled, "round" attack, that might reduce the SPLAT/THUD. You might want to try an Emperor on the bottom as the drum may want to resonate lower than an Ambassador can. Changing the bottom head might help a lot more than changing the top. For mic, I'd recommend a D6. You also might want to try a D112 positioned on the bottom head. Have fun with it and please post another video to show it off once you get it sounding great.
I love Vintage Tama Superstars, and Artstar Cordia's, they really are excellent drums. I would recommend examining the bearing edges on all of your Tama's. It is not a bad idea to sand them a bit from the inside and outside using several different weights, medium and fine, and then some wax. As far as heads, I swear by Emperor weight batter, and ambassador Resonant side, I use Remo, Attack, or Aquarian. For snare drum, I use Vintage Ambassador, and Diplomat Snare side.
I've watched this video way more times than one person probably should, but mainly because an 18" floor tom was the one drum I wanted on my Rockstar kit from the 1990s. Also the rebuild montage from 4:21 to 5:38 is really good piece of video!
Hi!
I turned my 18” floor Tom into a kick drum some years ago. My Soundman always preferred it to the 22” one. It’s got a beautiful tight sound to it. Thanks for sharing man. Your collection is pretty awesome.
Keep them coming, merry christmas
I have a 1967 Ludwig Hollywood set...added a 16 × 16 Gretch (in addition to the Ludwig 16 x 16), and added an 18 × 20 Slingerland . The Hollywood is gold sparkle, and the 2 additions are COW . I play old Super (early Paiste) cymbals exclusively, and use nylon tip 2B sticks...7 cymbals + high hats . Took a while to dial everything in with tone rings etc, but the set has an ungodly bottom end ! Btw, I'm 73 and refuse to grow up !
Those edits of the drum were clean
Mate, thanks for making the time to post your videos, always instructive and helpful. I'm reasonably well-versed in drum restoration but always happy to learn a new trick. Sorry if I missed this in a previous thread, and common sense really, but important to mention that having washed the shell with warm soapy water (mmm), towel it off immediately so that water doesn't seep into the shell through any exposed hardware holes and cause a stain underneath the lacquer. Just saying...
I was lucky enough to start playing as a kid (late70's), at the time here in the UK the marketing/retail brand options were basically either Premier or Tama. I still hanker after a well-kept original Superstar kit (sunburst finish!) but can't get my hopes up. Like you, I'd obsess on getting every size ever manufactured (and those that weren't- 8" tom? 20x16 BD? etc).
As has already been suggested here, I've had success with increasing the thickness of the reso head to match the diameter of the drum. I have a coated Emperor reso on my 18" floor tom which allows an extra bit of detuning before it 'flaps'.
That said, sincere thanks for the CS nostalgia- they DO sound great, and chronologically appropriate...
Thanks again and very best wishes,
Simon
I own three different vintage Tama Superstar kits in Super Maple finish:
1). A 1977 18/12/14 bop kit with sound rings and matching snare.
2). A early 1980s 18/12/14 bop kit without sound rings and matching snare.
3). A early 1978 20/12/14 Jazz kit with sound rings.
What are sound rings? Are they Like reinforcement rings ?
@@harryevans1117 Yes, my early Tama shells look inside very much like the later L.A. Camco shells however they are not made from maple wood.
Your video cuts are really good now. Been watching for a year or so and it’s improved. Thanks for making it interesting and having the best knowledge
I have Ludwig CM 16” and 18” floor toms and ran into the same problem as you as far as having difficulty getting the two sounding good together. I want my 16” low enough to sound like a floor tom, but the 18” not so low as to have a papery sound. I tune my drums a little higher than most anyway, so after some experimentation and listening back on recordings, I came up with a great interval and tuning between the two. I am a tuning geek so I documented what the tunings are. No muffling. 16” has a clear emp on top, tuned to 130 hz (C), clear ambassador on the bottom, tuned to 146 hz (D). 18” same heads, 100 hz (G -G#) top, 116 hz (A-A#) on the bottom. The fundamental pitch of the 16” is a D#, 18” is a B. That’s a major third interval. They sound huge and are distinct from each other in the mix. This tuning works great for me, hope this helps.
When you strike the drum, do the two notes form a proto-chord? Does this tuning affect the keys of the songs you can play on?
Brian Hotaling I don’t know what a “proto chord” is, but the tuning does not affect anything in any song.
I’m so much of a tuning geek that I watched and analyzed a plethora of videos, listening for the fundamental pitches of the floor toms, and talked to other pros about where their floor toms are tuned to. For example, if you watch any videos from the drum center of Portsmouth, you’ll see that they tune and document the tuning of some 16” floor toms in kits they’ve demo’d very low. An important thing to note is that if the 16” floor tom is the only floor, most drummers nowadays tune it very low, around an A to a B on the top head. I find that if you have an 18” as well, to get a nice interval between the two, the 18” would be tuned too low if the 16” is tuned very low. So with a 16” and 18”, you pretty much have to take the 16” up just a little in order for the 18” to have punch and presence without sounding thin and papery. Anything below 96 Hz on the top head of an 18” floor tom sounds too floppy and papery to my ears. I find it also helps to have the bottom head tuned a little higher ( 1/2 step to a minor third) to help give the larger toms some tone and presence, especially the 18”.
@@ccdrums1290 Chords are based on triads, so a "diad" would be a proto-chord.
Brian Hotaling oh ok gotcha. Well, I’ve been playing them tuned in different ways, along with other kits I’ve had with 14” and 16” floors and the pitches they produce never interfered with any recordings or live performances that I’m aware of.
yes more tours! studio and workshop and more kits!
ive always had a thing for two proper floor toms, not for playing i never ever played a drumset that had this but the estetics is just there.
Now that's a drum kit. Welcome to the club. Two floor tom's is of paramount importance. To me anyway..........and yes, tune it up. That's the key........... Welcome.
LOL I played a 16" and 18" floor for 45 years...decided to make a change. Now I use an 18" and a 20" floor! Yup!
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wow! I can only think of one drummer who used a 20 and that's bohnam, i think a few photos show what look like a 20 vista, though those photos also can look a bit compressed sometimes, making the drums look bigger
What brand of drums make 20 inch floor tom? I'm fairly new to drums and have never seen one yet. I see in old tama catalog that they did make them at one point.
@@bradmitchell863 hello Brad. Well...they went away for a very long time..(and still aren't popular). Slingerland and Ludwig use to make them in the 60's and 70's..even into the early 80's..but that was rare. Mine are custom built Ludwig drums by Billy Baker in Nashville who did all the current kits for Kiss drummer Eric Singer.
@@pjones8404 i was thinking if it ever came down to it i could modify a bass drum maybe? but then wouyld it have too thick of ply to be a tom?
Absolutely loved the different angles montage. Absurd and hilarious, but somehow also cool and stylized.
You have one of the best sets that I have ever heard, and I’m a Gretsch person.
What does it mean to be a Gretsch person besides liking Gretsch?
Frank Reynald Gole Cruz it means being biased
I'm a, mix-it-all-up-till-it-sounds-dope man m'sself... like that Cadillac Johnny Cash built smuggling Parts out over 12 years at the auto plant.
@@Cracktaculus that's what I'm looking for. Thanks
Frank Reynald Gole Cruz as a guitarist and former drummer, it’s crazy to hear about how people can be diehard “Gretsch people” in drums just as they can be in guitars!
An 18 inch floor tom is a must and so rare these days. I’ve had one for 30 years and will never part with it. Another gem for rock is a 24 inch bass drum. I’ve just bought a couple of them too! 👍 Enjoy!
Try a thicker bottom head on the reso. I did that w/ my 18” and it helped quite a bit. Maybe another black dot on the reso may do it as well.
Killer kit David.
maybe try bringing up the reso slightly along with the batter
I know a guy who runs a hydraulic as a reso head on his 18" superstar. Sounds great mic'd.
I've been thinking of doing that with my floor toms. Maybe Evans G14, so it's single ply, but still the thickness of a G2.
Thompsongs Let me know how that works for you. (G14 on reso). I did G12 clear as reso w/ EMAD batters on 16” & 18” wood hooped floor toms. Killer!
Thanks,
Jason
@@jasonfoster9153 that sounds like a good recipe. What I want to try is this: 16" and 18" floor toms with thick 3mm hoops, clear G14s on the resonant side and clear EC2 heads on the batter side.
Always love watching you sprucing up old, less-than-loved drums! Great job, sounds beefy! Merry Christmas!
David. I bought two drum sets for $25 😂
A lovely, new member to your Superstar kit. I once owned a big, chrome-covered Gretsch kit with 13", 14" toms, 24" kick and an 18" floor tom and I will never own another 18" floor tom again. I found it to be massive, sluggish, hard to tune and naturally pitched too low to be useful. I would have been better off to put a thin head on it and try to get a timpani tone from it. Glad to see you are having better luck. Rock on!
That’s a nice groove
Nice work brother. My 6 piece Imperialstar set came with an 18”, but I bought an 18” to add to my Slingerland set. I found it on eBay in a similar condition to the one you bought. It took a little work to get it to look as respectable as the rest of my kit. Yes, tuning an 18” to work with an existing 16” is tough. I found something much cheaper than MoonGel pads I like to use on mine. Seasonal gel window clings from the Dollar store. They’re cheap, a buck for a whole sheet, they’re thinner, plus they look festive! Cheers from Tulsa. Rock on!
Mah boi is back!!!
David...can you suggest me ways to practice without drums?i don't have a kit....or a practice pad😅
I've been playing drums for 3yrs now....thanks mate..
If you dont have the space nor the spare cash, there are still some things you could do.
Some cities have fellow practice spaces, and if there are non around, you could make some friends with a kit you could practice with. I would however recomend a pad for everyone.
Mah man! Thanks mate.....the thing i dont have is space like u said.....i do have a friend who has a kit but he lives far away.....but mate....thanks for the acknowledgement...
@@Hematoph i dint get the "practice spaces part"
@@aarushs9201 As a student myself, I also dont have enough space. My drums are at my parents house 2 hours away, therefore, I looked for and found a public practice space. Its in a container, and is rarely used. I bring my own cymbals and accsessories. Its good to become as immersed in your local music-community as you can. Some will let you borrow stuff, and you'll be the first to know when someone is selling something.
@@aarushs9201 The 80/20 Drummer has a good video that explaines it.
ruclips.net/video/qXdsKoUWfzk/видео.html
Man! Hands off the 16 floor tom and the rack tom, those are some of the best sounding drums I've ever heard!
That 18" would sound nice with an EMAD. Just a little suggestion :)
I got two early 80s superstar kits. They are both awesome! Best bang for your buck vintage kit you can get if your going for the classic fat/warm sound. Love the channel, keep it up.
18" is my biggest tom. I have a 14" snare, 13" tom, 16" floor tom, 18" floor tom, and a 24" bass drum. Probably just like the set up you have here. It's the Ludwig 110th anniversary wood-hooped mahogany set. It's so warm and smooth. Thanks for showing all the little cleaning tricks on this. They are crazy helpful!
KevinOnTheDrums his kit has a 22” kick
@@unrep2859 Thanks!
You have a 14" snare and a second 18"?
@@The_Other_Ghost Where did I say that?
@@kevinonthedrums7495 "18" is my biggest tom. I have a 14" snare"
Just picked up a mega set of 90s Ludwig Rocker's with a 12,13,16,18, and two 22s. The 18 is by far my favorite drum of the 6 because it is so loud and punchy while still having that low rumble. Love massive floor toms
You should consider putting an EMAD on that thing. Think it would get rid of all that low rumble noise.
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Some one HAD to to it !
14x10, 15x12, 16x16, 18x16, 26x14 all 1971 3 ply Ludwigs. Plus a 6.5x14 supraphonic.
I use coated Emperor on batter and coated ambassador on reso sides.
Bass has a fibreskin front and Evans EQ3 batter. For muffling, I poke cotton balls through the air hole. They free float on the reso head. Add more or less as needed.
Little Music City Mystique reference at 6:51? I was on that rack line!
Whoa sick dude. Is that part from disciples??
@@bungus9302 Mantra - 2011
@@blakelankford6930 Onye be hittin' that trampoline hard
Was about to comment that hahaha!
Nice tasteful resto video. The sound potential makes me wish I had an 18 back when I played. I remember adding a 16 to mine because the widdle 14 Ringo student Ludwig Tom wasn’t cutting it as my bottom. Lol. It took me many hours of experimenting with tuning the other 8 drums and it to find it’s voice and where it all fit in. But that’s how you learn and it was fun figuring it out. Solid advice man.Thanks. I’ll be watching more.
Yo you should put an emad on that
Agree lol
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@@Thompsongs whoosh
LOL
How very satisfieng to see the TLC you gave this! great tip using the plastic razorblade, cheers for sharing.
The music @ 4:22 is the piece “Spinning Wheel” in case you were wondering
thank you
Spinning Wheel its song or a band and wich is the song ? :D
Drummerr 95 it’s the song. There’s a version by Maynard Ferguson that’s really good
i have an 18" flr and it is BEAST! for tuning, youd be surprised how the bottom head can have an impact. i tune the bottom heads of all my drums considerably higher than the top and it really helps the tone. when it comes to complimenting other drums, you're 100% right, thats the hard part. my huge rig had the 18" - i tuned the 10" and 16" off each other, and the 12" and 18" off each other, leaving the 13" as sort of the odd duck. like a passing tom if you will. i used G2 clear heads on this rig so there was a lot of open tone.
my current working rig is a 12" rack and 14", 16" flr toms. the 14" is what i ride the most on so i ensure that has some tone to project unmic'd while still having enough low end to round it out as a flr tom. the 16" is my "bring the thunder" drum and adds the extra low end. i use EC2 clears on this set up.
good luck tuning! soon as you hit that sweet spot you'll never want to let go \m/
You should put an Emad on it.
Stole my comment!
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@@Thompsongs I'm just doing what he asked me to do.
Very nice! About a year ago I bought a used LP 18" Street Can online for about $80. I use it as a floor tom on the left side of my kit and it's an absolute cannon!
Needs a china right between the floor toms to complete the 90’s drummer dream set
jonathan brilliant I had one set up, but it blocked the shot haha
rdavidr maybe a ribbon crasher next time
Just a friendly suggestion; try tuning the 18 reso head the same tuning as the batter for that rumble but longer decay. Tune the 16 slightly higher with the reso slightly looser than the batter so that it doesn't have so much sustain. It may eliminate some of that ringing you're hearing out of the 16. I usually tune my drums so that the reso is slightly lower than the batter so they don't ring as long. Some small moon gel on that 16 may keep it from ringing as well without sacrificing the sustain. Properly placed moon gel can give a drum a deeper seeming sound. Cheers
Your floor Tom is bigger than my 18”x14” bass drum
By 4 inches?
not BANGERTV yeah
14x26 Kick, 16", 18" and 20" floor toms, 22" Gong drum. Love the thunder.
I have a 14" and 16" floor toms. I use Evans black chrome heads, they pretty low sounding.
A perfect match, both sonically and visually. Bravo!
You should put an EMAD on that thing. 😉
I kid… I KID!
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I had the same set up on an old Pearl set. I tuned the 18 to it's lowest fundamental, then I tuned the 16 a 4th up, and the ride (12") a 4th up from that. Those intervals worked well together and I still got the low rumble you mention. Later I put power strokes on them with the same tuning. That took away some of the "doppler" effect in the decay, but still maintained the volume and rumble. Nice set BTW.
Damn that kit is sexy
Beautiful complete set. Never thought of using a plastic razor before to remove certain things, so obvious yet never crossed my mind. Love your vids dude, everything from the editing to the sound track to each video but mainly your passion for restoring and building anything to do with drums. Keep on doing your thing cause you are good at it.
the "wooooaaauuwww" sound is generally referred to as pitch bend, and it has to do with the relationship between the better and reaso heads.
Also, you should put an EMAD on this thing
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batter* reso*
Sounds good man. The best sound is that coming from a happy drummer having fun. If you were Bonham, you just smash it and do your thing thoughtless far away of any kind of tunning.
The biggest drum on my kit is the bass drum
Same here!
Usually is...
Looks and sounds gorgeous. Love this kit. Thanks for your vids, great stuff. Merry Christmas to you and yours from Lisbon, Portugal.
01:30 does he really say I don't have a 18" a-hole..?
8 hole.
Dinand Claessens EIGHT- hole as is eight lug holes
8 hole
Lmfao
Love the 18” floor tom. The TAMA Superstar was one of my dream kits as a kid. Nice looking kit
yup, dave's slowing turning into john bonham.
Gino Tuano this is not a bad thing
@@SwordCymbal79 yah it isn't haha
I played two down for a while. I found bonham tuning worked best. Little tighter on the reso and loose up top. From there I’d go looser on the 18 reso to dial it in, and create separation between the floor toms. Also make sure there is no contact between the drums. Otherwise you’ll get tons of sympathetic vibration and overtones. Kit is gorgeous, you’re a lucky guy!
I also have an 18" floor tom
This is amazing buddy! I found an 18" vintage CB700 floor tom on marketplace and got it for twenty bucks! I had all the hardware powder coated gloss black and the Shell painted matte black.. looks amazing next to my DW with all black hardware. Total cost of tom after work was $80.
The clean up was freakn satisfying to watch. Always wished I had an 18" floor tom, loved how it sounded in the vid
Dammmn David, I'm jealous, very nice ! and it is my favorite color for drums. Thank for sharing !
Had pretty good luck with the tune-bot app on my iPhone. It lets you select what Tom sizes are in your kit and if you want high or low tuning. It asks you how much resonance you want out of your toms. It gives you a starting point to tune the frequency of each lug top and bottom. Then the fundamental note of the whole drum gets pretty close to the predicted note frequency. It gives you a frequency for each to in relation to each other. It worked pretty well. Enjoy your videos. Thx.
I had a 7pc Tama Swingstar kit back in the early 90s and I saved and bought the 18" matching floor tom in gun metal gray,I loved that extra deep boom when it was going thru the pa,I wish I still had that kit
I recently got a 9 piece Artstar Cordia 83, also has an 18. It rivals any kit I own, or ever played. Hadn't been played for 30+ years. It was an old neighbors spoiled kids. Block lettering = round edges. Great tips
Great find nice to see you were able to match up with your super star kit
I recently bought an 18” floor tom to add to my kit, and what I found worked best was tuning it quite differently from my 16” floor tom. I tune using a tune-bot to the following frequencies:
16” batter: 95Hz
16” reso: 150Hz
18” batter: 65Hz
18” reso: 85Hz
You’ll notice that the interval between the heads is quite different, which makes for more contrast between the drums. The resultant pitches of the drums are about a fourth apart. That’s how I’ve found to maximize the contrast between the drums without either becoming “flabby” or “muddy.”
InfinityEnterprises I have to tune my Tama B/B 16” very similar if I set up in my living room. Top head is around 95 hz with the bottom head either around 90 or even 85 hz and tuned up just a Touch If I want a higher tuning. It seems certain drums can be VERY sensitive to slight changes and bottom head sometimes even need to be either equal or even LOWER than the batter heads. I have an 8” tom that will tune normally with Coated Emperors with the reso head several steps up but with a Clear Emperor the resonant head needs to be much closer to the batter head. I thought it was bad heads as it was choking to the point of sounding like garbage with Brahp brahp sound. Bringing both heads down to just above finger tight and the heads actually started to resonate and not cancel each other out.
Pretty satisfying to watch you fix up that drum. And damn, that kit sounds beautiful, well done man!
If you don't like that pitch bend on your 16," tighten the bottom head little! Pitch bending up or down results from the relationship between the batter and reso head, with the initial pitch coming from the batter. Love the sound of the kit!
I have similar vintage Tama Superstars in that same finish. But that's where the similarity ends. 10 and 12 inch toms up, a 14 x 14 floor tom and a 18 x 14 bass drum. To that I added a metalworks 13 x 6.5 black nickel snare and it kicks. When I was in High School ('79 to '82) I wanted Tama Superstars more than anything. When the opportunity came up to buy a set from a guy in Austin, I jumped at it. Once you get used to an 18" kick (raised it 2-3" to get a decent beater throw), it's fantastic. Fits in your car SO much more easily! That said, if anyone has a 22 they want to get rid of, I could be coerced.
That snare sounds sooo good! Used to own a Red 3 piece Tama superstar kit, one of the best sounding drums I’ve ever played
Excellent video! That 18 is a beast! Love the tips on cleaning up the drum! Thanks