@Thooorin 90% sure the racism accusations were purely because he was a hardcore remainer and I think you said a couple things that could have been viewed as pro brexit. Just giving context to how fucking petty veteran has been at times. I'm mutuals with the guy on twitter and have been for 6 years, albeit I haven't interacted with him in like 2+ years so I saw all of it while I was following you.
But where are the tweets calling you racist, or the ones about monte? This whole video doesn't hold water for me, and makes you look like a lesser person here.
And handled perfectly. Remained professional and calm while using a serious tone with a hint of disgust. He has had the occasional slip-up in the past, where he would lose his cool, but that seems completely gone now. This is him at his best.
@@RichardJohanPieters Lol, he lost his cool big time with this whole situation, what are you talking about? Guy even went on a mad blocking spree on twitter blocking people who had never even interacted with him, just for following or having liked Veterans tweets.
As someone who only consumes 1 esport, CS:GO and even that is dwindling with work and it being online and basically meaning fuck all (Ignorant opinion, I know), I gave your LOL content a shot and I was pleasantly surprised to find so many cool people IWD, Kelsey Moser, the G2 players youve done a lot of content with across many of your shows, Locodoco, Ashley Kang, Monty and the countless players and LOL talent who are very knowledgable in their field. I found that while a lot of the topics are in game specific there are some that apply to esports in general or the professional gaming side or the BTS side etc. With a show like Listen Loco, I went there to listen to you and Loco throw banter back and forth with semi serious discussions sandwiched in-between, with shows with Kelsey and Veteran I knew that the discussion would be super deep and analytical where knowledge of the game is needed to understand it, which I dont really care to learn because LOL just doesnt appeal to me to that level. I will ALWAYS champion people like you and Richard (You two are a fucking package deal because this industry is just full of back peddling, spineless wankers looking out for #1 regardless if everyone and everything fucking burns so I had to mention Rich) because TIME AND TIME AGAIN you have shown that you stick to your code. sometimes to a fault where it might hurt you in the face of public opinion, your morals are not sold to the highest bidder and you will always fight for the betterment of esports by reporting and making content about the villainous scum lurking behind PR statement be it Nikolaj Nyholm, RIOT, ESL at times, the Brazilians and many more. Keep fucking hammering mate. Time will tell where Veteran ends up and Big Bad Thorin ends up. Aint seeing many people hitching their wagon to him
Like your a hero lolol. You are acrually making less money for thoorin than anybody else, and yet you say it like your proud of it. If your gonna use adblock and consume thoorins hard worked content for free, atleast dont brag about it
Had a hard time listening to veteran talk like he knows everything and watch veteran facial expression every time another person talks he just sits there and thinks "this guy is a moron" glad his gone was only watching because of Thooorin anyway :)
You might not like him, but Veteran actually really knows what he's talking about in terms of League strategy, especially team comps and picks/bans (which is not the same thing, the order of picks/bans and the strategy and psychology behhind those are important).
Hey thorin, I appreciate your comments about loco. I also actually think he got a lot of unnecessary flack as well and was also the target of attacks from certain individuals and the community. Unfortunately I do think that all the negativity contributed to his decline in motivation. I hope you and him do a show again because I actually thought you and him had one of the best LOL shows
I don't think so because even while he was doing Locodoco he seemed somewhat lacking in motivation to follow league in general outside of LCS and was often carried by the guests or Thorin when it came to anything that didn't directly involve LCS. I think his recent decision to drop out of the LoL scene completely is merely a logical progression of him losing motivation a long time ago.
Sometimes it's just good, to be a good friend. Loco wants a break, and I think Thorin can honor that and just be a good mate to his brother. Also enjoyed ListenLoco even with the motivation issues. The chemistry was just that effective.
What chemistry? You mean Loco being an undeveloped little brother sidekick and being clapped on the backhead ~10times/hour (by Thorin and many of the guests) as to provide additional comical relief in an otherwise quite intense and interesting conversations about stuff he can't wrap his head around?
Not gonna lie, Listen Loco was one of my favorite Thorin shows. There was an obvious decline in quality near the end, but I still enjoyed most episodes.
I really enjoyed elitists united and have been a subscriber to Veteran's twitch for a while because I enjoyed his league analysis. But his behaviour has soured his reputation in my mind because e-drama is the must uninteresting thing to me but Veteran seems to love it. There are a few things that Thorin said that I can corroborate. First of all, the Elitist on the Line incident about Monte. Veteran spoke about that on stream one time and was absolutely revelling in how he dared to say it on a live setting. It wasn't a mistake, he was intentionally trying to trigger Thorin and it was hilarious to him. Veteran also said on after that he would love to talk about Jordan Peterson and shit on him in front of Thorin to see his reaction because he knows that Thorin is a fan of JBP. Secondly, the Kayys drama. As I said earlier, I started watching solo Veteran content (first time I did of any of Thorin's protoge co-hosts) because I like how he broke down the game. He used to banter about Locodoco and I thought it was fine because it seemed harmless because they were content creators of roughly equal size. Veteran would also dodge bait that LS would throw at him and, at the time, I thought it was commendable that he was avoiding drama. Now I believe that the reason is because he wouldn't have won. That is why I think he was ready to shit on Kayys at every opportunity, because here was an American analyst, who has a history of saying provocative things, with little fan following. I think it was an easy way for veteran to feel superior over someone, and I feel that is a consistent pattern with his behaviour. I don't want to paint the picture that he is an unhinged, friendless weirdo. Some of it was good bants, but a some of it crossed the line for me - it also can't help that a lot of his followers (in chat and discord) would enthusiastically encourage this behaviour. On discord and on stream, Veteran would post kayys' tweets and go crazy over how stupid they are and then post his snarky replies on twitter and encourage people to like and retweet them. It was this pattern of behaviour that didn't sit right with me. Everyone who posts in that discord was loving it apart from me. I will say that no one was really happy with Kayys getting fired in that server but they weren't too upset about it either.
I think the biggest issue is that Veteran thinks he's way smarter than he actually is, and because he has a few fans they merely encourage this. While I could be wrong, I doubt he has any form of academic credentials worth anything, nor has ever had anything published, so I merely find it rather amusing that he thinks he'd be able to actually trash the very vast majority of what JBP says, as it's based in literally hundreds of peer reviewed papers. I only found out about Veteran through EU and while I have watched some of his solo content on Twitch he always comes across very smug and full of himself, so none of this really surprises me. Just glad I never subbed to him.
@@Rommel12 I mean have you not heard of the things that get published? The group who changed mein Kampf with liberal buzzwords has proven that you can't take everything linked to academia at face value. Not that it invalidates everything you said it's just worth considering.
@@Rommel12 Dude I can find you like hundreds of quotes from JBP which are all batshit insane and do not come from any peer-reviewed study. Guy is the last person you should reference as a paragon of science. Heck, he's even proved himself completely worthless in any debate because he can't read up on shit, so when confronted he completely falters. The Zizek one was downright pathetic and embarrassing. Imagine screeching about "cultural marxism" for years, then follow it up with something like that? He hadn't even read any of Marx's theory before he was set to debate fucking communism. Anyone taking this guy's word as gospel is an idiot. Nah, go read studies on your own, JBP adds absolutely nothing of value.
Ya you are 100% right. I have seen Veteran's stream few times before Elitists United got cancelled. He ALWAYS got so hyped about twitter drama whenever someone mentioned it on his chat.
Thorin gives me a intellect boner with how brilliant and surgical his analysis and plots can be. That game of thrones reference had me in tears. Top quality stuff as always. Even if the guy bashes my favorite team regularly (TSM Baylife)
I've been fan of TSM and FNC for years, yet I never got mad at Thooorin despite all his bashing, here's why : His banter is always justified, honest, and a positive criticism if you listen right. Never petty, arrogant or cruel in any way. Most people that don't like Thorin are just ppl who can't handle the truth, yeah truth hurts sometimes, deal with it. I've been following him only for a few years and maybe he was worse before, all I can say is this version of thorin is an absolute treasure, and should be the host or at least invited to LOL broadcasts, for the insane entertaining value he can bring. Shit Riot you can fire Phreak and Ender and give him their money for doing 1/10th of their job, and the cast would improve dramatically.
There’s a huge difference in how you interact with Veteran and how you interact with someone like Dom. Much more entertaining to see you bantering and more light hearted.
Is this where I say that I didn't get why Thorin was doing a show with someone so bipolar as Veteran, regardless of how good it may have ever turned out?
Y'know. Even though you trash on TSM and I always thought you were really harsh on many people. I've always enjoyed your content and thought as harsh as you might sound *everything you say is fair*
I agree. In the beginning i didnt like Thorins style but the more I watch content with him the more I understand when its playful/calculated and when he is actually angry/having a bad day
Thorin, on the "No exceptions" thing, you should have paid attention to the Star Wars prequels, only a Sith deals in absolutes. Which, ironically, is an absolute statement... make of that what you will lol
That's why prequels dialogue writing is widely considered as bad, this bit is by far not the worst of it, and yet it doesnt make sense if you think enough about it. Don't get me wrong tho, i enjoyed prequels somehow, sequels are just pure shit compared to that lol The exception is often what confirms the rule
Paid attention to the Star Wars prequels he says. No but in all seriousness, that was a good irony moment. The prequels had flashes of brilliance like that. If Lucas had less yes man, the prequels might've been pretty good
It is a shame that it ends like that. Stay strong Thoorin. As long as you follow your principles it will all work out! Cheers from a brazillian long time fan o/
elitist United was very hit and miss depending on how veteran would act up. Other way around, i've been liking Thorin's content more and more ever since he started up with IWD and now his Rotations are very nice. Ergo CBA for drama, just gonna watch the shit like.. xD
That's truly a shame. EU was really starting to become great and something I looked forward to every week. Veteran was an interesting character and definitely a good analyst but highly abrasive and not in a way that made it clear he was bantering. It doesn't come as a shock to hear he was being a brat on social media and needed to be cutoff. I don't use social media and don't care to so I appreciate you taking the time to make a video and explain what happened. I hope you and Loco shake hands and find a way to get to episode 100 of Listen Loco someday. That was a fun show and I don't enjoy Loco's solo content because he's trying to appeal to 15 year olds with his vids. You gotta save him (again). Thanks for continuing to be a principled individual in the industry.
He doesn’t have to save him. Why would he help him after everything? That’d be like you were in an abusive relationship, finally got away, and then think mhmhmmm sure let’s give it another go.
I can’t handle disloyalty. I can’t stand it. I will quite literally put my life at risk for a true friend. That mentality is ever rarely reflected back. Its like as you paint it here.. but you just have to stand firm. Strongest energy will win 😉
I think I remember the episode about you mentioning Monte (obviously the cut portion). Makes me wonder what caused him to have such a strong stance on that situation when he should be one of the people should be well aware how Riot treated teams like H2K (even though he wasn't part of management, I'm assuming he'd have some info about it when he was the coach/analyst).
I would love to see some kind of show about LEC with iwilldominate and Thorin. From what I've seen DOM is great at hosting the shows and asking the right questions (sometimes he's making even better job than Thorin himself in that particular aspect). And the most important thing is DOM actually watches and seems to be genuinely interested in the European scene, unlike many other personalities who claim they watch other leagues (beside NA) and later on during the discussion it becomes quite apparent that in fact they are not really that invested in those leagues around the world. The only thing lacking would be the knowledge about ERLs, but maybe in this area they could invite Peter Dun or Kelsey (if she still pays attention to ERLs) from time to time, in order to discuss those regional leagues.
As much as I want to say that I wish these things didn’t happen, watching these kind of videos is a joy honestly. As someone that is not in the social media loop and doesn’t use twitter, all I knew was that Elitist United was cancelled, and I guess that was that. But context like this is heaven-sent for a youtube LoL content devourer like me.
He makes good shows, most of the time, but he is definitely "the bad guy" lol. Dude believes in race realist shit, has everyone forgotten that? Ofc he's mad at Veteran over dunking on Kayys for being a racist twat, amongst other things. He is one himself.
@@Ochnun But race is still a social construct, that is not really disputed by any scientist or historian. Thinking otherwise is honestly kinda baffling. Completely unrelated to this tho.
LS has gotten so much better on his own. He used to contradict himself every other sentence and make obscene fallacies or dodging if questions he knows the answers to in actually every argument as a guest, but now he's fairly consistent and clear.
35:50 that sounds like the technique in actual workplaces to find what area leaks ... With coloured water. So at the colour you can see what leaked and you have an easier time searching a part of the machine instead of the whole thing.
Thorin man I've been on the fence about you for a while now. But this video really seals it for me. You are a boss. I'd love to have someone with your integrity and honesty as a colleague.
unfortunately the most unreasonable pepople are the best co-hosts for you imo, because you are someone who is good at calling out someone's bs and that makes an interesting controversial show.I hope you find someone who has a mix of crazy ideas/strong opinions who is also mature enough.
That is legit what made ListenLoco so good! But they were walking the thinnest line, and it's not surprising that it boiled over in the end, just enjoyed it whilst it lasted and like the both for it :)
I mean i didnt care for Veteran or for Loco generally i prefered the interactions between thorin and guest, i like dom personally as a co-host and dom is less analyitical but more personable whereas veteran and loco were pretty much socially inept
Welp. That's nastier than I thought it would be. It's kinda weird to see someone I don't like appear with thorin and end with me continuing to not like them.
One of the things I most respect about you Thorin is that you are not just ruthlessly out for the clicks like so many content creators but you operate with integrity and treat others in the space as actual persons. Sometimes you and your analysis can be grating, but I genuinely value your presence in the scene.
thank you for making content, Thorin. you’re the analyst we need, but many of us don’t deserve you. thank you for sticking around, for however long you do
Duncan "principled as fuck shields" Shields Legit one of the most stalwart and principled people I've had the pleasure of coming across in my years. I've learned loads from this man. Many valuable lessons can be learned from how he conducts himself. Skrilluminati for life brother. Respect.
Just want to say thanks for telling the truth, and trying to stick to principles, we all fail sometimes, but it’s about striving towards principles that matters.
Genuinely wasn't able to watch EU because of Veteran. His personality always came off as obnoxiously pretentious. Was actually surprised you were able to put up with for as long as you did.
@Joshua Harper veteran has a way of dominating a conversation through verbal diorreha. No one can get a word in edgewise until he finishes his thought, and they are long thoughts.
Gonna be honest I usually don't agree with Thorin on political issues and this is one that bleeds into that domain, but I am pleasantly surprised. I was expecting the Kayys tweet to be super bad based on how it was being talked about, and then I actually looked at it. His tweet starts on the right side, correctly acknowledging an issue, and then in a pretty respectable manner points out that violence is still wrong. Like there are actually posts that attempt to delegitimize protests and whatnot, this is simply saying "yeah but don't do it violently." Even in the comments he says his only quarrel is with violent protesting, but supports general protesting. What's controversial about that?
There have been so fucking many Kayys tweets though, ofc he isn't gonna bring up the worst ones. And you need to remember that in the context of Kayys having been openly racist a bunch of fucking times, what do you think his motivation for that tweet was? Would he tweet similar shit to the covid protesters with semi-automatics? Ofc not. Pretending this was pure-minded with good intentions is incredibly disingenuous.
@@Elena-gj6ow What other tweets? where else has he been openly racist? Genuinely asking, I don't know the full storyline here, but the tweet in of itself was not bad at all. That's all I was trying to articulate. And even if we give you the benefit of the doubt here (not saying you are lying, again I genuinely don't know) I'm not sure how past statements could change the meaning of this one. So let's say Kayys is racist. That does not inherently make his tweet racist. If you want to argue that Kayys may have a biased perspective in regards to race matters for being white and whatnot that is fair, but nothing he is doing (in this tweet) is racist. Another question. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that "violent protesting bad" is not controversial. If you think his tweet was racist, how would you prefer him share this sentiment differently? Just because he calls out one form of violent protest as bad does not mean he has to call out each instance of it. And to be fair, although the anit-lockdown protests were pretty dumb, I don't think people were burning shit down.
@@Elena-gj6ow Engaging with perceived intent rather than the actual content of someone's statement isn't a particularly useful (or genuine) way to read it - doubly so when the launching-pad for this guy getting pilloried was the statement in question. OP is right that the statement ought not to be controversial, whether or not you already regard the guy as being a racist. Just a friendly reminder that bigotry can be any line of thinking that hates or dismisses a person and the content of their character or their actions based solely on a perceived trait they possess or lack.
@@xWhponderx Kayys deleted a *lot* of tweets after the fact. I can try to find some, but he said something pretty tasteless and then complained about the 'liberal mob'.
@@periplectomenus6257 There is nothing wrong with betting but Veteran portrays himself as one of the most knowledge analyst people in the League scene especially about Europe. That being said no one is willing to hire him. He got dropped from EU Masters from last year, does analysis sometimes on the UK league but very rarely. This just shows you people don't like him or don't respect him behind the scenes. If he really is as good as he says he is how come he can't even get a job as a analyst or scout. Some people say he doesn't want to join a bottom tier team but I think he does because this guy can barely pay his rent for random Air BnBs and has to beg people to buy stuff from his sponsor Fnatic or sub to him. He was a complete twitter nobody and one time ok coach. Thorin unfortunately propelled him to the European audience with EU. He is a arrogant little child, you can tell he loves drama because the minute this was posted he went and made a livestream about it. He bandwagons on any twitter drama that is going on.
@@Zandeyninja there's more to hiring someone than their technical skills. If their personal attitude prevents anyone from taking advantage of the knowledge he has, you're better off hiring someone you can work with and get an actual return of investment from it.
@@Zandeyninja He's always been an arrogant dickhead. Just the way he talks down to just about EVERYONE when he doesn't agree with them or they word something differently than he would. I would feel bad for him but he does it all to himself, and until he grows the fuck up(probably won't ever happen) he will never go anywhere. I literally never watched Elitists United simply because I don't like his fucking attitude, like LS can be like that but at least he has some redeeming qualities about him that get him to grow on you after some time but pray I'd love for one of his fans to name a SINGLE redeeming quality of Veterans.
@@dontask3613 Yeah, as someone who remembers seeing Veteran on Twitter as far back as 6 years ago, he has ALWAYS been this guy. I swear the dude could get to heaven's gates and be telling Saint Peter he's a fuckwit.
Hey I never liked veteran, a few interesting analysis but that's all, aside from that he always came off to me as petty, arrogant and closed minded, not an enjoyable listen overall. So i'm happy you moved on, a bit sad over the little brother betrayal but in the end it's a win. I remember that detail that triggered me when he was talking out of his ass on the HongKong controversy last year, as if it was an absolute certainty for him/everyone and he had all the cards and knowledge, being a scientific and well-informed political guy myself, i hated that ignorance disguised in absolute truth that shows how immature he really is. Painting a simple black and white picture while any experienced person knows it's all complex shades of grey. Also that tendancy to paint a definitive black over any situation/person, not allowing the reasonable doubt or potential of change to be part of the equation, my scientific self says it irks. Love your freedom, honesty and values. Don't change you adorable ginger ! I like the new stuff more than elitist, keep going my dude ! not a big loss
I feel for Thorin on the political front, I'm a member of the Labour party (the UK's mainstream left wing party) and I've spent far too much time in the last few years having to defend people like Trump and Boris Johnson, despite thinking they are horrendous human beings who don't belong in government, because people have lost their fucking minds and just make shit up in their heads about right-wing politicians and political commentators. There is enough to criticise about such figures without needing to lie or spin things to be the worst interpretation possible.
Fuck that. You’re someone who has literal gold content. I’ve watched you since 2014 when you came into league with Monte on summoning Insight and I’ve been a fan ever since. Your storytelling and setting up question and topics is the finest I’ve seen in esports. You have something everyone wants and there’s a reason you’ve been around as long as you have and have the success and personal happiness you do. Much love and prosperity for the future.
I am just going to say this once people please do the research on everything that is said in this video before believing thooorin or veteran its probably better to see both sides of the story before passing on judgement if you just believe this video only or just the stream veteran made you are only getting 1 side of the story
That’s what I spotted from seeing you over a long span. That’s why shoulder by shoulder to me, is so important in one way or another. This is why I felt bad, when you kind of was “excusing” yourself for your “vanity project”, whereas that was patronage. Your real value exceed what you are currently getting. And I wish people to see, what not just you, but what you guys actually are doing and the craftsmanship you have. That is why I used Mr. Shields and will still insist on doing so, because for what you’ve been able to make. What you actually do. And you put money where you mouth is. You are a Titan. You are Authenticity. Your actions speaks for itself. People should treat you with respect. You’re too valuable to be shit on professionally. You can absolutely trash talk me into reason if I deserve it. You have already proven, you know exactly how to do it, and exactly how to deliver it. Fairness means a lot to both of us. Values, morals, principles. I would never ask for compromising them. I just know, if I have you somewhere, I’m in good hands.
Yeh that's just snake like behavior.. Imagine a guy helps you out with a show.. offers money to you (even tho he isn't a friend).. and this snake runs to twitter and starts leaking DM's after a disagreement. Oh and the thing about veteran acting like he has privileged information is spot on
@@kaigreen5641 you didn't got what he was saying. He's talking about the person who revealed to veteran that the tweet about alleged racism was the "reason" Thorin canceled the show(that was the beite he laid for the exact person the guy is asking who is)
just hope that the show with dom doesnt get canceled. I enjoyed listen loco alot, it was the first show i ever watched. the dynamic between thorin and loco was really entertaining but i get why it got canceled. It was kind of doomed to end with hom much flame loco recieved in the last few episodes. I like the crackdown even more though. It's a bit more on topic since you don't have the flame narative and both thorin and dom are pretty good entertainers. It's a shame this one got canceled though. I didn,'t watch every episode like i do with the crackdown but i like watching it from time to time
I liked the show, but not gonna lie, Veteran seemed like a dodgy character before and now I get why Good on you to get ridded of him, people like him are better away, despite how good at their job they can be, you know they will take the opportunity to fuck you over no matter what once you stop being useful to them. The low of the lowest Imo Edit: Spelling
I don't want say it but.. "Knew it all along lol" Called out his bullshit with all the condescending behaviour he had towards NA (LUL) and not wanting to even entertain any NA team/opinion or even a JOB OFFER. He also predict that SKT won't make it out of groups in 2019 so there's that lol.
It was very professional of you to only go after the things he did that you consider morally wrong and to not discret him for his skills as an analyst. No unnecessary insults. Especially considering how emotionally affected you are by this situation.
It is fucked up we dont have a EU talk show with you tho. Mabye you can do that a bit more on the crackdown? Now Dom and LS talk NA allot. Dom follows EU as far i know 👍
was always clear that veteran had no mates growing up and no mates in the esports industry. No idea why the guy is so cocky. Yes it is possible to be knowledgable and not an arsehole at the same time.
Forgot to add the link to his leak, but it's in the description box now.
Thank you
@Thooorin
90% sure the racism accusations were purely because he was a hardcore remainer and I think you said a couple things that could have been viewed as pro brexit. Just giving context to how fucking petty veteran has been at times. I'm mutuals with the guy on twitter and have been for 6 years, albeit I haven't interacted with him in like 2+ years so I saw all of it while I was following you.
This video is supported by the Puyallup Tribe. How can Thooorin be racist with First Nation supporters?
Could you also link the other, earlier tweet, referenced on this video?
But where are the tweets calling you racist, or the ones about monte? This whole video doesn't hold water for me, and makes you look like a lesser person here.
I respect thorin alot! His honesty and ethical code is great! I can only imagine a lot of his friends and colleagues admire him.
Probably one of the most intimate videos Thorin has ever posted.
And handled perfectly. Remained professional and calm while using a serious tone with a hint of disgust. He has had the occasional slip-up in the past, where he would lose his cool, but that seems completely gone now. This is him at his best.
@@RichardJohanPieters Lol, he lost his cool big time with this whole situation, what are you talking about? Guy even went on a mad blocking spree on twitter blocking people who had never even interacted with him, just for following or having liked Veterans tweets.
Elena , chill.
@@Elena-gj6ow He is free to block whoever he likes.
@@Elena-gj6ow blocking people on Twitter doesn't seem that extreme.
As someone who only consumes 1 esport, CS:GO and even that is dwindling with work and it being online and basically meaning fuck all (Ignorant opinion, I know), I gave your LOL content a shot and I was pleasantly surprised to find so many cool people IWD, Kelsey Moser, the G2 players youve done a lot of content with across many of your shows, Locodoco, Ashley Kang, Monty and the countless players and LOL talent who are very knowledgable in their field. I found that while a lot of the topics are in game specific there are some that apply to esports in general or the professional gaming side or the BTS side etc. With a show like Listen Loco, I went there to listen to you and Loco throw banter back and forth with semi serious discussions sandwiched in-between, with shows with Kelsey and Veteran I knew that the discussion would be super deep and analytical where knowledge of the game is needed to understand it, which I dont really care to learn because LOL just doesnt appeal to me to that level. I will ALWAYS champion people like you and Richard (You two are a fucking package deal because this industry is just full of back peddling, spineless wankers looking out for #1 regardless if everyone and everything fucking burns so I had to mention Rich) because TIME AND TIME AGAIN you have shown that you stick to your code. sometimes to a fault where it might hurt you in the face of public opinion, your morals are not sold to the highest bidder and you will always fight for the betterment of esports by reporting and making content about the villainous scum lurking behind PR statement be it Nikolaj Nyholm, RIOT, ESL at times, the Brazilians and many more. Keep fucking hammering mate. Time will tell where Veteran ends up and Big Bad Thorin ends up. Aint seeing many people hitching their wagon to him
Well at least we still have plenty of Thorin content to enjoy.
Thanks for explaining Thorin, I will miss this show
This episode is such straight fire Im rewatching it with adblock off
Like your a hero lolol. You are acrually making less money for thoorin than anybody else, and yet you say it like your proud of it. If your gonna use adblock and consume thoorins hard worked content for free, atleast dont brag about it
@@lunarwerdherd6921 nice comment taking something positive and turning it around to a negative nice mentality
Had a hard time listening to veteran talk like he knows everything and watch veteran facial expression every time another person talks he just sits there and thinks "this guy is a moron" glad his gone was only watching because of Thooorin anyway :)
You might not like him, but Veteran actually really knows what he's talking about in terms of League strategy, especially team comps and picks/bans (which is not the same thing, the order of picks/bans and the strategy and psychology behhind those are important).
Hey thorin, I appreciate your comments about loco. I also actually think he got a lot of unnecessary flack as well and was also the target of attacks from certain individuals and the community. Unfortunately I do think that all the negativity contributed to his decline in motivation. I hope you and him do a show again because I actually thought you and him had one of the best LOL shows
I don't think so because even while he was doing Locodoco he seemed somewhat lacking in motivation to follow league in general outside of LCS and was often carried by the guests or Thorin when it came to anything that didn't directly involve LCS. I think his recent decision to drop out of the LoL scene completely is merely a logical progression of him losing motivation a long time ago.
Sometimes it's just good, to be a good friend. Loco wants a break, and I think Thorin can honor that and just be a good mate to his brother. Also enjoyed ListenLoco even with the motivation issues. The chemistry was just that effective.
What chemistry? You mean Loco being an undeveloped little brother sidekick and being clapped on the backhead ~10times/hour (by Thorin and many of the guests) as to provide additional comical relief in an otherwise quite intense and interesting conversations about stuff he can't wrap his head around?
Not gonna lie, Listen Loco was one of my favorite Thorin shows. There was an obvious decline in quality near the end, but I still enjoyed most episodes.
Thorin Lannister, First of his Name, Keeper of History, Executioner
I really enjoyed elitists united and have been a subscriber to Veteran's twitch for a while because I enjoyed his league analysis. But his behaviour has soured his reputation in my mind because e-drama is the must uninteresting thing to me but Veteran seems to love it. There are a few things that Thorin said that I can corroborate.
First of all, the Elitist on the Line incident about Monte. Veteran spoke about that on stream one time and was absolutely revelling in how he dared to say it on a live setting. It wasn't a mistake, he was intentionally trying to trigger Thorin and it was hilarious to him. Veteran also said on after that he would love to talk about Jordan Peterson and shit on him in front of Thorin to see his reaction because he knows that Thorin is a fan of JBP.
Secondly, the Kayys drama. As I said earlier, I started watching solo Veteran content (first time I did of any of Thorin's protoge co-hosts) because I like how he broke down the game. He used to banter about Locodoco and I thought it was fine because it seemed harmless because they were content creators of roughly equal size. Veteran would also dodge bait that LS would throw at him and, at the time, I thought it was commendable that he was avoiding drama. Now I believe that the reason is because he wouldn't have won. That is why I think he was ready to shit on Kayys at every opportunity, because here was an American analyst, who has a history of saying provocative things, with little fan following. I think it was an easy way for veteran to feel superior over someone, and I feel that is a consistent pattern with his behaviour. I don't want to paint the picture that he is an unhinged, friendless weirdo. Some of it was good bants, but a some of it crossed the line for me - it also can't help that a lot of his followers (in chat and discord) would enthusiastically encourage this behaviour. On discord and on stream, Veteran would post kayys' tweets and go crazy over how stupid they are and then post his snarky replies on twitter and encourage people to like and retweet them. It was this pattern of behaviour that didn't sit right with me. Everyone who posts in that discord was loving it apart from me. I will say that no one was really happy with Kayys getting fired in that server but they weren't too upset about it either.
I think the biggest issue is that Veteran thinks he's way smarter than he actually is, and because he has a few fans they merely encourage this. While I could be wrong, I doubt he has any form of academic credentials worth anything, nor has ever had anything published, so I merely find it rather amusing that he thinks he'd be able to actually trash the very vast majority of what JBP says, as it's based in literally hundreds of peer reviewed papers.
I only found out about Veteran through EU and while I have watched some of his solo content on Twitch he always comes across very smug and full of himself, so none of this really surprises me. Just glad I never subbed to him.
I don’t know mate I was in his discord and had no idea of the messages cause I only really used it so I knew when the show was released
@@Rommel12 I mean have you not heard of the things that get published? The group who changed mein Kampf with liberal buzzwords has proven that you can't take everything linked to academia at face value. Not that it invalidates everything you said it's just worth considering.
@@Rommel12 Dude I can find you like hundreds of quotes from JBP which are all batshit insane and do not come from any peer-reviewed study. Guy is the last person you should reference as a paragon of science. Heck, he's even proved himself completely worthless in any debate because he can't read up on shit, so when confronted he completely falters. The Zizek one was downright pathetic and embarrassing. Imagine screeching about "cultural marxism" for years, then follow it up with something like that? He hadn't even read any of Marx's theory before he was set to debate fucking communism. Anyone taking this guy's word as gospel is an idiot.
Nah, go read studies on your own, JBP adds absolutely nothing of value.
Ya you are 100% right. I have seen Veteran's stream few times before Elitists United got cancelled. He ALWAYS got so hyped about twitter drama whenever someone mentioned it on his chat.
Thorin I will continue to enjoy you as both a content creator and a person simply because you are genuine, breath of fresh air.
Elitist United had to be sacrificed to provide us with this video. God bless
Well. This is a godsend. I got a nice 40 minute video to listen to in the background.
Thorin gives me a intellect boner with how brilliant and surgical his analysis and plots can be. That game of thrones reference had me in tears. Top quality stuff as always. Even if the guy bashes my favorite team regularly (TSM Baylife)
same, i miss when at least we were good and got bashed now its just sad haha
I've been fan of TSM and FNC for years, yet I never got mad at Thooorin despite all his bashing, here's why :
His banter is always justified, honest, and a positive criticism if you listen right. Never petty, arrogant or cruel in any way.
Most people that don't like Thorin are just ppl who can't handle the truth, yeah truth hurts sometimes, deal with it.
I've been following him only for a few years and maybe he was worse before, all I can say is this version of thorin is an absolute treasure, and should be the host or at least invited to LOL broadcasts, for the insane entertaining value he can bring.
Shit Riot you can fire Phreak and Ender and give him their money for doing 1/10th of their job, and the cast would improve dramatically.
There’s a huge difference in how you interact with Veteran and how you interact with someone like Dom. Much more entertaining to see you bantering and more light hearted.
Wait, Elitists United was suppose to make Veteran seem less arrogant and more relatable? I thought he was just validating the title?
Glad to hear your side. I can always tell how much you think about your decisions like this.
It was a good show, but it is what it is.
It was ok, but I miss listen Loco tbh, I don't understand why veteran would say those things.
it isn't what it isn't
Is this where I say that I didn't get why Thorin was doing a show with someone so bipolar as Veteran, regardless of how good it may have ever turned out?
@@hungerxhunger2548 yeah I miss Listen Loco sometimes
Always straight fire insightful comments from you. Thanks!!!!!
This was really sad to hear, your a good man Thooorin.
Y'know. Even though you trash on TSM and I always thought you were really harsh on many people. I've always enjoyed your content and thought as harsh as you might sound *everything you say is fair*
I agree. In the beginning i didnt like Thorins style but the more I watch content with him the more I understand when its playful/calculated and when he is actually angry/having a bad day
Whether thorin wants to admit it or not. He’s had a little brother relationship with loco. He’ll be back around.
u sounds like the biggest snowflake it made me laugh thx. but curious how did he hate on tsm? (if u say leela stuff ur also delsuional)
@@karhua1997 Nobody said he hated TSM.
It's honestly suicidal betraying Thorin, must of used to work at MI5. He is a walking lie detector.
*must have.
*just have
this is gold the tyrion lannister approach to find out the filthy leakers
Thorin, on the "No exceptions" thing, you should have paid attention to the Star Wars prequels, only a Sith deals in absolutes. Which, ironically, is an absolute statement... make of that what you will lol
the jedi are sith and just dont know it yet
That's why prequels dialogue writing is widely considered as bad, this bit is by far not the worst of it, and yet it doesnt make sense if you think enough about it.
Don't get me wrong tho, i enjoyed prequels somehow, sequels are just pure shit compared to that lol
The exception is often what confirms the rule
@@shupakiko holy shit, someone who knows how to properly use that phrase... my life is complete!
Anakin was a product of a failed system and a lack of love. Imagine if the Jedi council just told him that force healing existed.
Paid attention to the Star Wars prequels he says. No but in all seriousness, that was a good irony moment. The prequels had flashes of brilliance like that. If Lucas had less yes man, the prequels might've been pretty good
It is a shame that it ends like that.
Stay strong Thoorin. As long as you follow your principles it will all work out!
Cheers from a brazillian long time fan o/
elitist United was very hit and miss depending on how veteran would act up. Other way around, i've been liking Thorin's content more and more ever since he started up with IWD and now his Rotations are very nice. Ergo CBA for drama, just gonna watch the shit like.. xD
That's truly a shame. EU was really starting to become great and something I looked forward to every week. Veteran was an interesting character and definitely a good analyst but highly abrasive and not in a way that made it clear he was bantering. It doesn't come as a shock to hear he was being a brat on social media and needed to be cutoff. I don't use social media and don't care to so I appreciate you taking the time to make a video and explain what happened. I hope you and Loco shake hands and find a way to get to episode 100 of Listen Loco someday. That was a fun show and I don't enjoy Loco's solo content because he's trying to appeal to 15 year olds with his vids. You gotta save him (again). Thanks for continuing to be a principled individual in the industry.
He doesn’t have to save him. Why would he help him after everything? That’d be like you were in an abusive relationship, finally got away, and then think mhmhmmm sure let’s give it another go.
He's talking about "saving" loco. Loco and thorin aren't in an abusive relationship.
You give me sanity. Just by being you. I’m just in an incredible hard position.
We all have scars. Thanks for sharing this story.
I can’t handle disloyalty. I can’t stand it. I will quite literally put my life at risk for a true friend. That mentality is ever rarely reflected back. Its like as you paint it here.. but you just have to stand firm. Strongest energy will win 😉
I think I remember the episode about you mentioning Monte (obviously the cut portion). Makes me wonder what caused him to have such a strong stance on that situation when he should be one of the people should be well aware how Riot treated teams like H2K (even though he wasn't part of management, I'm assuming he'd have some info about it when he was the coach/analyst).
"People will always show you who they are when they can't benefit from you anymore" Some true ass shit.
Feels bad man but thanks Thoorin for the time passed. It was my favorite lol show
I would love to see some kind of show about LEC with iwilldominate and Thorin. From what I've seen DOM is great at hosting the shows and asking the right questions (sometimes he's making even better job than Thorin himself in that particular aspect). And the most important thing is DOM actually watches and seems to be genuinely interested in the European scene, unlike many other personalities who claim they watch other leagues (beside NA) and later on during the discussion it becomes quite apparent that in fact they are not really that invested in those leagues around the world. The only thing lacking would be the knowledge about ERLs, but maybe in this area they could invite Peter Dun or Kelsey (if she still pays attention to ERLs) from time to time, in order to discuss those regional leagues.
As much as I want to say that I wish these things didn’t happen, watching these kind of videos is a joy honestly. As someone that is not in the social media loop and doesn’t use twitter, all I knew was that Elitist United was cancelled, and I guess that was that. But context like this is heaven-sent for a youtube LoL content devourer like me.
Being in the line of fire of thorin is just a gg.
You know shit's about to get real when Duncan breaks out the timestamp himself!
Thanks for giving your take on this.
It was predicted by the oracle you wouldn't ever do this too.
Imagine a podcast with thorin and yamato on lec but I guess that cant really work now that yamato is in korea
Rofl "Tyrion's gambit".
I still can't believe people believe that in the esports scene you're the bad guy.
Thank you for clarifying the situation, always professional.
Well if he lies more often like in this video its very ez to belive that people dont like him.
He makes good shows, most of the time, but he is definitely "the bad guy" lol. Dude believes in race realist shit, has everyone forgotten that? Ofc he's mad at Veteran over dunking on Kayys for being a racist twat, amongst other things. He is one himself.
@@Elena-gj6ow Wait, he belives race is real ? He must be a mad man bro.
Race is definetly a social construct.
@@Ochnun I don't think you understand what "race realist" means... He believes in white supremacist eugenics.
@@Ochnun But race is still a social construct, that is not really disputed by any scientist or historian. Thinking otherwise is honestly kinda baffling. Completely unrelated to this tho.
Much respect for doing this video.
LS has gotten so much better on his own. He used to contradict himself every other sentence and make obscene fallacies or dodging if questions he knows the answers to in actually every argument as a guest, but now he's fairly consistent and clear.
This is a CLASSIC Thorin episode! It’s like watching standup, you’re letting another human take your mind on a thought adventure.
35:50 that sounds like the technique in actual workplaces to find what area leaks ... With coloured water. So at the colour you can see what leaked and you have an easier time searching a part of the machine instead of the whole thing.
It was famously used by intelligence agencies to try to find leaks during the cold war as well as I recall.
Thorin man I've been on the fence about you for a while now. But this video really seals it for me. You are a boss. I'd love to have someone with your integrity and honesty as a colleague.
Been waiting on this one, keen to watch
36:00 my mind is exploding. this guy is genius 🤯
unfortunately the most unreasonable pepople are the best co-hosts for you imo, because you are someone who is good at calling out someone's bs and that makes an interesting controversial show.I hope you find someone who has a mix of crazy ideas/strong opinions who is also mature enough.
That is legit what made ListenLoco so good! But they were walking the thinnest line, and it's not surprising that it boiled over in the end, just enjoyed it whilst it lasted and like the both for it :)
I mean i didnt care for Veteran or for Loco generally i prefered the interactions between thorin and guest, i like dom personally as a co-host and dom is less analyitical but more personable whereas veteran and loco were pretty much socially inept
So... dom?
@@slendian i feel like loco is much more sociable than veteran even if hes also inept
Welp. That's nastier than I thought it would be. It's kinda weird to see someone I don't like appear with thorin and end with me continuing to not like them.
Thorin bro, you’re a real one. You have a very tough exterior but a gentle and noble heart. God bless.
42 minutes?
*LETS GO*
One of the things I most respect about you Thorin is that you are not just ruthlessly out for the clicks like so many content creators but you operate with integrity and treat others in the space as actual persons. Sometimes you and your analysis can be grating, but I genuinely value your presence in the scene.
thank you for making content, Thorin. you’re the analyst we need, but many of us don’t deserve you. thank you for sticking around, for however long you do
Duncan "principled as fuck shields" Shields
Legit one of the most stalwart and principled people I've had the pleasure of coming across in my years. I've learned loads from this man. Many valuable lessons can be learned from how he conducts himself. Skrilluminati for life brother. Respect.
Just want to say thanks for telling the truth, and trying to stick to principles, we all fail sometimes, but it’s about striving towards principles that matters.
Good on Loco.
Genuinely wasn't able to watch EU because of Veteran. His personality always came off as obnoxiously pretentious. Was actually surprised you were able to put up with for as long as you did.
So true thorin! Yours and locos relationship has always been professional!
Always a pleasure to see Jensen Goh mentioned
Respect
I feel that about people misrepresenting others for personal/political gain.
I miss that show. Veteran s story on stream was onesided
Veteran has a story also?
Do you have the Vod? :/
Veteran's 'story' is on Twitter
the one that ended 5 minutes ago?
@Joshua Harper veteran has a way of dominating a conversation through verbal diorreha. No one can get a word in edgewise until he finishes his thought, and they are long thoughts.
Gonna be honest I usually don't agree with Thorin on political issues and this is one that bleeds into that domain, but I am pleasantly surprised. I was expecting the Kayys tweet to be super bad based on how it was being talked about, and then I actually looked at it. His tweet starts on the right side, correctly acknowledging an issue, and then in a pretty respectable manner points out that violence is still wrong. Like there are actually posts that attempt to delegitimize protests and whatnot, this is simply saying "yeah but don't do it violently." Even in the comments he says his only quarrel is with violent protesting, but supports general protesting. What's controversial about that?
There have been so fucking many Kayys tweets though, ofc he isn't gonna bring up the worst ones. And you need to remember that in the context of Kayys having been openly racist a bunch of fucking times, what do you think his motivation for that tweet was? Would he tweet similar shit to the covid protesters with semi-automatics? Ofc not. Pretending this was pure-minded with good intentions is incredibly disingenuous.
@@Elena-gj6ow What other tweets? where else has he been openly racist? Genuinely asking, I don't know the full storyline here, but the tweet in of itself was not bad at all. That's all I was trying to articulate.
And even if we give you the benefit of the doubt here (not saying you are lying, again I genuinely don't know) I'm not sure how past statements could change the meaning of this one. So let's say Kayys is racist. That does not inherently make his tweet racist. If you want to argue that Kayys may have a biased perspective in regards to race matters for being white and whatnot that is fair, but nothing he is doing (in this tweet) is racist.
Another question. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that "violent protesting bad" is not controversial. If you think his tweet was racist, how would you prefer him share this sentiment differently? Just because he calls out one form of violent protest as bad does not mean he has to call out each instance of it. And to be fair, although the anit-lockdown protests were pretty dumb, I don't think people were burning shit down.
@@Elena-gj6ow Engaging with perceived intent rather than the actual content of someone's statement isn't a particularly useful (or genuine) way to read it - doubly so when the launching-pad for this guy getting pilloried was the statement in question. OP is right that the statement ought not to be controversial, whether or not you already regard the guy as being a racist. Just a friendly reminder that bigotry can be any line of thinking that hates or dismisses a person and the content of their character or their actions based solely on a perceived trait they possess or lack.
@@euanmacleod3738 ^
@@xWhponderx Kayys deleted a *lot* of tweets after the fact. I can try to find some, but he said something pretty tasteless and then complained about the 'liberal mob'.
Fire vid Thorin!
the questrion is who is fkd aswell tehre by that technique xD
He makes some of his money live betting on LEC lol
@@periplectomenus6257 There is nothing wrong with betting but Veteran portrays himself as one of the most knowledge analyst people in the League scene especially about Europe. That being said no one is willing to hire him. He got dropped from EU Masters from last year, does analysis sometimes on the UK league but very rarely.
This just shows you people don't like him or don't respect him behind the scenes. If he really is as good as he says he is how come he can't even get a job as a analyst or scout. Some people say he doesn't want to join a bottom tier team but I think he does because this guy can barely pay his rent for random Air BnBs and has to beg people to buy stuff from his sponsor Fnatic or sub to him.
He was a complete twitter nobody and one time ok coach. Thorin unfortunately propelled him to the European audience with EU.
He is a arrogant little child, you can tell he loves drama because the minute this was posted he went and made a livestream about it. He bandwagons on any twitter drama that is going on.
@@Zandeyninja there's more to hiring someone than their technical skills. If their personal attitude prevents anyone from taking advantage of the knowledge he has, you're better off hiring someone you can work with and get an actual return of investment from it.
@@Zandeyninja He's always been an arrogant dickhead. Just the way he talks down to just about EVERYONE when he doesn't agree with them or they word something differently than he would. I would feel bad for him but he does it all to himself, and until he grows the fuck up(probably won't ever happen) he will never go anywhere. I literally never watched Elitists United simply because I don't like his fucking attitude, like LS can be like that but at least he has some redeeming qualities about him that get him to grow on you after some time but pray I'd love for one of his fans to name a SINGLE redeeming quality of Veterans.
@@dontask3613 Yeah, as someone who remembers seeing Veteran on Twitter as far back as 6 years ago, he has ALWAYS been this guy. I swear the dude could get to heaven's gates and be telling Saint Peter he's a fuckwit.
Hey I never liked veteran, a few interesting analysis but that's all, aside from that he always came off to me as petty, arrogant and closed minded, not an enjoyable listen overall.
So i'm happy you moved on, a bit sad over the little brother betrayal but in the end it's a win.
I remember that detail that triggered me when he was talking out of his ass on the HongKong controversy last year, as if it was an absolute certainty for him/everyone and he had all the cards and knowledge, being a scientific and well-informed political guy myself, i hated that ignorance disguised in absolute truth that shows how immature he really is. Painting a simple black and white picture while any experienced person knows it's all complex shades of grey.
Also that tendancy to paint a definitive black over any situation/person, not allowing the reasonable doubt or potential of change to be part of the equation, my scientific self says it irks.
Love your freedom, honesty and values. Don't change you adorable ginger !
I like the new stuff more than elitist, keep going my dude ! not a big loss
I feel for Thorin on the political front, I'm a member of the Labour party (the UK's mainstream left wing party) and I've spent far too much time in the last few years having to defend people like Trump and Boris Johnson, despite thinking they are horrendous human beings who don't belong in government, because people have lost their fucking minds and just make shit up in their heads about right-wing politicians and political commentators. There is enough to criticise about such figures without needing to lie or spin things to be the worst interpretation possible.
Thorin, the gift you have goes far beyond esports and i think you know that. keep killing it, bud.
I always thought that he was insufferable anyways so I hope you go on to do great things
Fuck that. You’re someone who has literal gold content. I’ve watched you since 2014 when you came into league with Monte on summoning Insight and I’ve been a fan ever since. Your storytelling and setting up question and topics is the finest I’ve seen in esports. You have something everyone wants and there’s a reason you’ve been around as long as you have and have the success and personal happiness you do. Much love and prosperity for the future.
I am just going to say this once
people please do the research on everything that is said in this video before believing thooorin or veteran
its probably better to see both sides of the story before passing on judgement
if you just believe this video only or just the stream veteran made you are only getting 1 side of the story
side note i already got blocked by thooorin XD
should have known that was comming :(
Thorin after reading the leak, I gotta say, that's some madlad shit right there. Kind of inspirational.
That’s what I spotted from seeing you over a long span. That’s why shoulder by shoulder to me, is so important in one way or another. This is why I felt bad, when you kind of was “excusing” yourself for your “vanity project”, whereas that was patronage. Your real value exceed what you are currently getting. And I wish people to see, what not just you, but what you guys actually are doing and the craftsmanship you have. That is why I used Mr. Shields and will still insist on doing so, because for what you’ve been able to make. What you actually do. And you put money where you mouth is. You are a Titan. You are Authenticity. Your actions speaks for itself. People should treat you with respect. You’re too valuable to be shit on professionally. You can absolutely trash talk me into reason if I deserve it. You have already proven, you know exactly how to do it, and exactly how to deliver it. Fairness means a lot to both of us. Values, morals, principles. I would never ask for compromising them. I just know, if I have you somewhere, I’m in good hands.
nice one!
One thing I can respect is the change to the 'no exceptions' rule. Recognizing why it can help to leak DMs is healthy.
We love you thorin
Praise something that we have Thorin!
Wow, that was heavy, but keep on your good work, loving it!
Yeh that's just snake like behavior.. Imagine a guy helps you out with a show.. offers money to you (even tho he isn't a friend).. and this snake runs to twitter and starts leaking DM's after a disagreement. Oh and the thing about veteran acting like he has privileged information is spot on
Guys, who is the other person, who leaked to veteran that the show was canceled?
no one, the leak is a DM conversation between Thorin and Veteran.
@@kaigreen5641 you didn't got what he was saying. He's talking about the person who revealed to veteran that the tweet about alleged racism was the "reason" Thorin canceled the show(that was the beite he laid for the exact person the guy is asking who is)
Me :)
just hope that the show with dom doesnt get canceled. I enjoyed listen loco alot, it was the first show i ever watched. the dynamic between thorin and loco was really entertaining but i get why it got canceled. It was kind of doomed to end with hom much flame loco recieved in the last few episodes. I like the crackdown even more though. It's a bit more on topic since you don't have the flame narative and both thorin and dom are pretty good entertainers.
It's a shame this one got canceled though. I didn,'t watch every episode like i do with the crackdown but i like watching it from time to time
This is intellectual and argumentative porn. Love you Thorin. You be playing game of thrones in real life.
Like the future LEC content
I hadn't heard of Veteran before elitists united - barely heard of him since. Even from other analysts.
The multiple stories play is a master mind strategy.
Thorin doesn't owe anybody an explanation. But he gives it anyway. This isn't pushing drama or anything it's exposing the truth.
Holy shit veteran made a response video lmfao. Talk about trying to strike while the irons hot
If you would ever like an insight from a silver/ gold Oce player, it would be an honour to have a chat about low elo and OCE in general.
Now I want a "Thorin's House" show with Loco, Dom, LS, Veteran, Kelsey, Frosk, anyone I'm forgetting, and Thorin.
I have one word to sum up this entire video.:
Checkmate.
I liked the show, but not gonna lie, Veteran seemed like a dodgy character before and now I get why
Good on you to get ridded of him, people like him are better away, despite how good at their job they can be, you know they will take the opportunity to fuck you over no matter what once you stop being useful to them. The low of the lowest Imo
Edit: Spelling
I don't want say it but.. "Knew it all along lol"
Called out his bullshit with all the condescending behaviour he had towards NA (LUL) and not wanting to even entertain any NA team/opinion or even a JOB OFFER. He also predict that SKT won't make it out of groups in 2019 so there's that lol.
It was very professional of you to only go after the things he did that you consider morally wrong and to not discret him for his skills as an analyst. No unnecessary insults. Especially considering how emotionally affected you are by this situation.
I LOVE YOU THORIN
im here for your content thooooooooooorin idc about others.
It is fucked up we dont have a EU talk show with you tho. Mabye you can do that a bit more on the crackdown? Now Dom and LS talk NA allot. Dom follows EU as far i know 👍
Thoorin the crusader of esports. He is the warrior we all need against fake news from orgs.
Ehrenmann
You a real homie
was always clear that veteran had no mates growing up and no mates in the esports industry. No idea why the guy is so cocky. Yes it is possible to be knowledgable and not an arsehole at the same time.