Freezing, Zoning and Dominating the solo lane explained.
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- In this video I show you how to bully, freeze and zone the lane so your enemy can't get experience. Then I explain how and when to reset the wave. I double the enemies experience for our team in a matter of minutes into the game.
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Mmmm... I really wanted to see that wave you accumalated go into the towers.
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This guy keeps on delivering the most informative video's. Keep it up man, I'm learning a lot.
Really a good topic choice. I know many struggle to understand what is right or wrong to do in the solo lane, including myself at times. I think you put a hell of a lot of great info into a short concise video. Well played sir.
Love these short easy to understand technique guides. Keep it up. They helped inmprove my game quite a bit.
Awesome. As I'm about to switch roles (from main support to main solo lane) in our team, this is exactly, what I'm looking for.
Explaing how to freeze a lame helped a lot. I heard Glaurung talk about it earlier, but I didn't really understand what freezing a lane means. Now I'm enlightened. Thank you so much.
〈Bullets〉 thanks. It's pretty casual, so we have good days and bad days. :D
Honestly, watching videos about/playing league of legends helps a lot with lane control mechanics because early game lane control is so important in that game. If you want to increase your mechanical skill as well as some of your lane control, playing top lane in league can help you out! (I say this as someone who thinks that HotS is better than LoL, but I've noticed that it's helped me out.)
Thanks =)
Great lesson, especially from teaching assistant Kael'Thas with the expert demonstration of the importance of picking a worthwhile solo laner.
I honestly never did this until ammo was removed from the structures. Then I figured this trick out naturally while trying to fill up the minion waves.
I'm glad you commented on Pally's vid because after seeing others comment about your analytical standpoints in your vids i knew i had to come see for myself and i gotta say, i'm glad i checked you out. Definitely the other half of the game i love are the analytics and strategy side of things compared to the just having fun side. Subbed for sure
Coach to Kael'Thas: You're gettin' killed out there Kid. I'm pullin' ya out".
Kael: I got this guy, Coach. Gimme'a few more rounds.
Coach: Its ova Kid. Hit the showa.
Kael: (kicks at ground and stomps off)
Coach: Yrel! Wudda'ya sittin' there for? Get in there!
Leoric: (Massive gulp. Looks for bush to hide in.)
Really like this sort of video , little gems of information that you don't realise make a huge difference until you see them.
Probably the most concise informative video I have watched on solo lane play
Awesome! As someone who likes to solo lane and kinda does it too if nobody else want to, this is great for me!
Always a pleasure! Thanks man!
Funny thing is...this technique is quite common and basic knowledge on DOTA2, it is something I have adopted very early during my transition to HOTS. It's simply cauing a "suicide lane" situation in DOTA 2 on HOTS; You force the enemy out from their towers and move in deeper into your territory.
This makes it easier for you to bully him, harder for him to soak, and also makes him much more vulnerable to ganks. Denying creeps are replaced by freezing minion lanes so that the enemy gets less exp, while you are safe from ganks.
Great guide! As always really clear and useful! Keep it up man! I have improved A LOT thanks to you! I really owe you!
Thank you very much, this has been very clear and instructive. Keep the good work up!
Super helpful, didn't know about this at all.
One more question mostly to NotParadox, could you do videos about "lategame" plays? I followed the content and I feel that I usually do better in the early game now but somehow the mid-late game always falls apart, it turns out into this rushing mess where I am just trying to be at the right place but It it feels like I am just desperately trying to catch up with so many things happening. Merc camps no longer seem to have a big impact anymore as they are cleared easily and objectives are much much stronger and the teamfight can go from win to loss in an instant. At that point I feel that the macro game feels just "pointless" because even if you managed to gain a bit of an advantage in the early game you can easily loose one objective and that makes a such a huge difference that all the early game work you put in feels like it was for naught.
One of your best vids so far! Great tips!
Great video man.
Like you said this stuff applies heavily to high levels of play.
I am curious if you have any thoughts on how to combat a 4 or 5 man deathball? The one that just goes from lane to lane, camp to camp like a tornado of death and misery.
The obvious would be to soak safely but it can be a bit like herding cats to get people co-operating or doing smart things sometimes.
I love these types of videos and its one big coincidence that im making a guide on heroesfire about the solo laner and how you should react to everything as a solo laner. So i hope i could use this video as a reference in the guide. i will ofcourse put a link to your channel underneath the video.
LessThan3 I'm not sure, but I think NotParadox played other mobas before.
Plus as he said: learn one thing at a time, make it a habit and then learn the next thing boost your MMR as well as your game knowledge.
Always learn something new with you thanks brother.
Always great information.
Love these kinds of videos. Have you done a video about how to soak 2 lanes effectively?
You channel and content are amazing! Keep it coming man!
Question, when you do this why aren't you being called out by our team for "not pushing" and get reported for AFK? Just asking because that is what happens to me.
From Platinum to up people know what these strategies are, so they don't say stuff like that.
from platinum? omegalul? they have no idea up until like 2-3k master (at least in EU)
Just shortly reply to them that this is a standard meta strategy. Mute them if they insist on arguing. You can point them towards guides after game if they are actually interested.
Never argue in game.
Well, i guess it depends from person to person, but here in NA (OMEGALUL) i do it all the time, and see people doing it, and nobody gives a single shit about it.
Well, EU top players may be better than NA players, but surely most of "you" are better than most of "us" in higher levels (or any level), + we all envy your community, like in every NA stream i see them using voice chat, we never do that for some reason... :(
Thats is a really good advice for all players
Great video! Thanks for the tips.
I'll share this with my friends, thank you :)
Great tip, thanks for the strat explanation.
great video !! i will soak better from now on.
i love your videos they're so much fun to watch :)
Thanks for the learning session
WHY is this important? As said - you gain an experience lead. If you were to push it in hard they can just stay behind the towers and soak the xp. They might get some structural damage, but it should be minimal and you won’t really be gaining an advantage from it. So don’t push a lane hard, only when they’re dead or nobody is there to deny them the xp from the minions. Otherwise you just wanna freeze the lane and if possible get some good trades on your opponent. I’ve been doing this on Dehaka a lot and it’s a great strategy, especially post 4 you can easily trade health with opponent, but I mostly just sit in the bush, looking for a Drag to bully them and I am constantly checking if I can burrow somewhere to help my team. Once I notice no one is coming to the lane only then do I push it to deny them xp.
Unless you're Zag and you can totally bully their towers, i guess
This is strong solo lane strategy.
I'm late to the party, but I've got questions. I understand that you're getting EXP, but from I've seen in-game this leads to about a 30 second level advantage. I don't understand how you AFK farming in a lane and allowing KT to roam and apply pressure to the map is an equal exchange. In LoL, you build up and crash a wave. As you crash you go roam and apply pressure. If your opponent is building a wave, you punish them by roaming and taking objectives/kills. Not to mention your gathering of the minions allows someone like KT to come in, nova the wave, then go back to playing the game (so long as he's intelligent enough to path correctly) Can you explain why AFKing in a lane is more valuable than helping to take camps, secure kills, and pressure the enemy team? Serious question.
NotParadox could you give a short hint on what to do if the 4-man is losing?
I struggle a lot with that kind of situation in solo lane.
Should I help or keep soaking?
My say is that you should press YOUR advantage, and tell your 4-man to play safer and not take risks, just soak and be careful.
If they keep screwing, and you go help, you'll all be screwed anyway probably and you'll lose the advantage you had... unless you make some good ganks or something, I guess.
On the other hand, by pressing your own lane (or bullying their solo lane so he doesn't get xp) you might keep your team in decent XP, and it might make the enemy call for help so it'll alleviate pressure on the 4-man side.
Just my 2 cents, I'm no master, but I like to learn and theorize in tactics :P
Jon_jon13 thanks. This already helps a lot with the decision making in solo lane.
Many options here, depends on map and character. Lets say youre playing Dehaka on Cursed, a standard meta pick. Your team losses some early trades and it has you down maybe 8-7 in levels. A good strategy you can employ is looking for the fight 5v4. So you start pressuring your lane, clear waves fast and force a response. So you communicate you have your burrow, and as soon as the response comes in, you burrow into the fight or camp invade or whatever it may be, that your team was looking for.
Another thing you can do is, if youre playing a hero that has pretty strong wave clear and youre on a smaller map like tomb. You can clear your solo lane and rotate to fight with the team and give you an advantage (same concept as the dehaka example).
You can also communicate to your team to get camps, assuming your comp can do that, and put pressure somewhere on the map and look for a pick or kill elsewhere. Same with calling for ganks on the solo lane. Have someone rotate to you and kill the other hero in your lane, theyre forced to move resources to protect that lane, or you get free push. So either 4v3, or 4v4 and they miss soak and take structure damage.
Hope this helped :)
I find this to be a difficult decision too at times. As others have said it's really a circumstantial thing depending on a lot of factors. As a general rule though I'd say never miss the soak unless they are as well for some reason. Usually at least early game the 4 man isn't your problem to deal with besides maybe advice or calling for certain things. Late game if you're split it becomes a much more complicated answer.
This is great and helped a lot. Thank you so much.
I realize this is a tactic I've been using unintentionally for a long time.
Most players seem to think just pushing as hard as you can in a lane is the only way to win a lane.
I personally prefer to freeze The lane until both10,as you then don't Need The xp-Advantage so much and do a Lot more damage to their structures. Especially when You are a aoe solo Like Jaina ,you can try to ignore Front walls(preferably on a 3 lane map we're The next objective isnt spawning in your lane,try to rotate your solo lane after objecs.) and then in the midgame apply huge pressure,while your pushing potencial is wasted at a fort or keep(actually,If You single handly can destroy a keep ,You should do it still,as this helps You alot with pushing.
Nice! I never knew this, and would always just push
what do I do with the experience globes? if they know where I am does that destroy the purpose? or am I not understanding properly?
So helpful thnx best hots you tuber
Really helpful, thank you!
Very informative! Can you do a video on peeling too?
Would be interesting to know when to push a lane and when not to. Or is that perhaps a too hero/map specific question?
Amazing.
With the experience system change I wonder how this applies now
Excellent videos
Question: If you had a mismatch where you had a greater advantage and could push in and take down towers earlier which would still allow them to get minion xp, would that still be better? I mean is this freeze lane better played for this map than others because of tower resets?
nice tip ty
Hello all, thanks for the video very useful ! But i have a question, i main thrall and how could i freeze the lane with the blue quest.
I explain myself, i need to kill minion with my q spell but if i kill minion the lane will go forward no ?
When You arent pushing against someone that you cant bully out,(Sonya & co),You should Not Pick that talent. If You can bully, Then Push The mid wall down and then walk away until You gank him from behind. Thanks to the Front mid wall down,You can now easily kill them and WF out. Then You can quest until they are Back. But as a solo laner against a solo laner You should usually dont Go Minion kill quests.
Will there be a video on what to do when you are losing a lane ?
Stay Back behind walls, and kill Wave There. If they freeze You Need to gank them as a Team,or Else You use the early Game and lev. Advantage.
Maybe i missed it. But - do i only push the lane when solo laner is dead?
What to do when NOT dominating the enemy solo laner?
The concept in this videos are useful, but, if I can give some feedback, the replay you choose to express them was not that good.
The reason is that in solo lane Leoric vs Kael'thas is easy mode.
I find the replay would have been more useful and interesting if you posted an even matchup against a solo laner that can actually make Leoric struggle.
So, if you wanted to keep the lane frozen for a longer period of time, how do you deal with your minion wave growing too large?
Kill The Enemy laner(preferably with The Help of your global or jungler) and then send them against The Towers.
can you give us an explanation why Rich is so good at playing hots?
Yes. I want to be like him :(
Uhm. Mechanics and a team that is just as good as him which makes him chine. Not anymore tho #fHGC
How can Kael not lane vs Leo tho? Like if it comes to a 1v1 he can gravity lapse and thus cancel leos w plus he can just spam free bombs on him. I honestly dont see how kt should be that scared to trade with leo. And when it comes to this situation he can also just push out wits fs and then the creeps will naturally push towards him again next wave
Do you think it should have been Medivh laning against you? Safest soak and can stack on you.
Awesome :)
I honestly haven't seen this strategy used too much in Pro plays...they jsut 4 man roam two lanes and will disturb the solo laner every now and then. No way someone can bully the other solo laner this ez. What normally makes a difference is player's skill level. If you are good as Rich you can bully out anyone,as we see him quite oftenly solo kill other laner. Back to this game. It's not too uneven for kt to solo Leo as both of them has one definitive skill that the other needs to dodge. If Kt can dodge Leo's grab and land his E it would be Leo gets bullied out. At the same time Kt can also choose to freeze the lane and only use his free W to poke. Although overall this is a bit disadvantegous to Kt. For their team comp med maybe a better choice as kt is never considered a solo laner.
Can you make a zeratul video pls?
So today with new update
This wont work anymore huh?
You can mount over the xp globes without killing them so the lane is still frozen
its all about MOMENTUM
instead of making new players play the Raynor tutorial, they should make everyone watch this video.
They were wrong to send KT to the solo lane. They should have send medivh coz he is a specialist XD
and in silver and gold they start whining and ping spamming because they don't know their asses from a hole in the ground :P good vid
What if you're in gold and your team thinks you're afk... :(
Braden Cluster hmm... I think just keep doing your job as a solo laner. Tell them you're being a lane bully. Most of the time they will check your position only on the mini map, so they probably won't think you're afk...?
you are freaking crazy, where do you get this knowledge? youre a blizz employee.. im sure :P
It is reallz good but in low ranks you just can not do that becouse the teammates think that you are a bot or afk
Énok Kárpáti I disagree. They will check the map, but not switch their cameras to your position probably. If they think you're doing it wrong, tell them you're bullying the enemy out of lane and preventing them XP. I think this should do.
DJ-Sonic's I understand but sadly there are some people who can not see just "shouting" in the chat. 😕 but youre right in most of the cases
Énok Kárpáti yeah, sometimes you have those guys... I just mute them to prevent myself from tilt.
Fun fact: the saltiest teammate is the one with the lowest MMR 9 times out of ten (according to Hotslogs.com).
If I feel frustrated after a game this cheers me up. :D
How to do this when you have a stronger opponent? Like you play vs sonya or smth.
Generally, you sit back and soak. Contrary to what NotParadox is saying, this is actually low level play by KT because he kept dying. Also, KT as a solo laner sucks. Always pick a hero that is more flexible and has some sort of sustain.
Like the dude said. Just stay back and soak, there's no need to fight the enemy when you already know you ain't gonna win that 1v1, it would be a waste of HP. If you can poke him, good, otherwise, just stay at the side.
You have to do the opposite. KT would have been fine if he didn't push the lane. He could have safely stayed behind tower and soaked fine. Like what Donnie said, KT isn't a solo laner, but the amount of drafts that don't have a solo laner is pretty decent all the way up to diamond. this game was d1/masters so these people are not idiots.
Put simply, let the enemy push and deal with it when it gets to your towers. Watch for their rotations and act with them. Call out missings as when they push it to your tower they can gank a lane or do a camp so look for camps that you can possible poke them during the camp.
Playing from behind in a solo lane is only really bad when you need to hold on objective. For a map like this being behind in a solo lane is fine, just soak normally and wait for power spikes.
Thanks, and Notparadox, u made a video about the mmr system and seeding, but - as far as i remember - u said HL seeds from UD, then from QM, but how many UD-s do i need over QM-s, or vica versa? I mean i have 50 QM with 80% WR, and 40 UD with 65%, from which will the HL seed?
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If I did this on my mmr I'd get reported and pinged to death ^^