That was brilliantly clear and comprehensive. Thank you. I have a question though. What happens to all those private docks and the boats the people own in the winter? If these are all taken out of the water in winter, as I suppose, where are they stored? And who does this? Also, what happens where people have houses on islands? I know these homes are seasonal, but what if somebody wants to live there year round and the private docks have to be stored, how then do they access their houses, or don’t they? On Google Earth I see an enormous number of private docks and I have always wondered where these go in winter. Fascinating. And thanks again.
Richard, the floats for almost all docks are hauled out and stored. Locally one mooring service company store most of the floats. The private boats are hauled out and stored at the various boat yards. A few boats are stored in people's driveways. For example my boats are hauled out and stored at a yard called Ocean House. They store a bit over 100 boats. There are at least ten yards within 5-6 miles of Southwest Harbor. The boats are already starting to be hauled out and all the pleasure boats will be gone by the end of October with a very few exceptions. About half of the lobster boats stay in for the winter. Those that are hauled mostly end up in the owner's yards. There are only four islands around here that are occupied in the winter (Swans - pop ~370, Frenchboro - pop~60, Great Cranberry - pop~40 and Little Cranberry - pop ~20). Most of the homes on the islands are closed up for the winter. Pretty much all pleasure boats are hauled out for the winter, but a few lobster boats stay in. Swans Island and Frenchboro have state ferry service. The Cranberry Islands are served by small passenger only private ferries and there are barges that can transport vehicles (oil trucks, power company trucks, etc.) when needed. The town of Cranberry Islands owns a large parking lot in Southwest Harbor where people keep cars. The parking lot is adjacent to one of the ferry stops served by the private ferries. On island people have old clunkers referred to as island cars if they have a vehicle.
Todd Dunn . That’s a very comprehensive answer and I thank you very much. I’d always wondered about these things, and now, thanks to your very thorough effort, I know. I have to say that your films are compelling. There’s lots available about the tourism in the islands but little about how the residents actually manage their lives. Can’t thank you enough.
Everything is seasonal here, so it is hard for a marina to make a go of it. The season is May through October, with almost no transient business before mid-June or after mid-September. Also, waterfront property is VERY expensive, so there is no way a new marina could make a go of it financially. The Southwest Harbor marina is built around the wharf for an old sardine cannery. The present owners have owned it for a LONG time. Also marine environmental law makes it almost impossible to build a new marina. A large marina would be very expensive to operate since the docks have to be hauled out for the winter. Locally only the main piers remain in. All the finger piers are hauled out and stored on land for the winter.
There is certainly a significant price difference between the marina and a mooring! Definitely food for thought for anybody living in that type of area.
Marina space is generally cost prohibitive for local people with the exception of retirees. There are few jobs here that pay enough to afford keeping a boat at the marina.
That was awesome. Do people often sell their moorings? Also are most of the village harbors at capacity or do they have room for additional moorings? All in all its very reasonable cost. Thanks for the valuable information.
Yes,when someone gives up their mooring it is sold to the next person on the waiting list. Most harbors are currently full and have waiting lists. There are rental moorings available in some harbors. Those moorings tend to cost $1,500-$2,000 per season depending on where they are.
@@todddunn945 This is a small world I am looking for a 1960's Alberg 30, Pearson Triton 28, Cape Dory etc. There is a Pearson Triton 28 in your Harbor for sale. I kick myself I did see it when we where up this summer. I was up looking at some Pacific Seacraft Flickas while on vacation. Dont know the name of the boat but it has a Blue hull. The guy who owns it is a Marine Surveyor in that area. The only concern I had was the boat was built with no fiberglass insert which was the norm. It has wood built out interior. So dont know if it was from factory like that or was partially sunk or a fire on board. Never know on a 50 year old boat.
@@Hindukushsailing A stick built wooden interior can be a plus or minus depending on how well it was done and to a lesser extent on potential buyers expectations. Just for reference, higher end boats (Hinckley, Morris, Sabre, etc.) tend to have stick built wooden interiors with a minimum of fiberglass.Even some "lesser" boats have all wood interiors. My Allied 36, for example, has no fiberglass in the interior except for the shower pan in the head. The entire interior is wood. Another consideration is that back in the 60s lots of builders sold bare hulls/decks that people finished out. Those owner finished boats range in quality from poor to as good as it gets. I saw the ad for the Triton on Yacht World and it sounds as if that boat was owner finished. Based on the pictures I saw there the quality is middle of the road.
Concrete mooring are quite uncommon here. Granite is cheap and readily available and both stronger and more dense than concrete, so almost everyone uses granite blocks.
00:00-10:53 Mushroom, Triangle, Concrete block, Stone block anchors 10:54-13:18 Typical setup for Mooring bottom chain, top chain, shackles, ball, pendant and pendant rope 13:19-15:36 Review sizes for typical setup 15:37-16:40 Pick-up buoy 16:41-23:13 Maintenance, replacement, wear/tear/care, cost considerations 23:14-24:34 The advantages to having a good mooring and one disadvantage 24:35-31:39 Cost and fees
@@todddunn945 No problem, I listened to a couple of sections more than once and thought what if want to come back to this later. Very informative, you did a great job explaining not just the what and the how, but the rationale also.
Very comprehensive. I'm setting out a mooring in Ireland, and we have a 14-foot tidal range similar to Main.
I am glad you found my comments helpful. I hope you enjoy your mooring.
That was brilliantly clear and comprehensive. Thank you. I have a question though. What happens to all those private docks and the boats the people own in the winter? If these are all taken out of the water in winter, as I suppose, where are they stored? And who does this? Also, what happens where people have houses on islands? I know these homes are seasonal, but what if somebody wants to live there year round and the private docks have to be stored, how then do they access their houses, or don’t they? On Google Earth I see an enormous number of private docks and I have always wondered where these go in winter. Fascinating. And thanks again.
Richard, the floats for almost all docks are hauled out and stored. Locally one mooring service company store most of the floats. The private boats are hauled out and stored at the various boat yards. A few boats are stored in people's driveways. For example my boats are hauled out and stored at a yard called Ocean House. They store a bit over 100 boats. There are at least ten yards within 5-6 miles of Southwest Harbor. The boats are already starting to be hauled out and all the pleasure boats will be gone by the end of October with a very few exceptions. About half of the lobster boats stay in for the winter. Those that are hauled mostly end up in the owner's yards.
There are only four islands around here that are occupied in the winter (Swans - pop ~370, Frenchboro - pop~60, Great Cranberry - pop~40 and Little Cranberry - pop ~20). Most of the homes on the islands are closed up for the winter. Pretty much all pleasure boats are hauled out for the winter, but a few lobster boats stay in. Swans Island and Frenchboro have state ferry service. The Cranberry Islands are served by small passenger only private ferries and there are barges that can transport vehicles (oil trucks, power company trucks, etc.) when needed. The town of Cranberry Islands owns a large parking lot in Southwest Harbor where people keep cars. The parking lot is adjacent to one of the ferry stops served by the private ferries. On island people have old clunkers referred to as island cars if they have a vehicle.
Todd Dunn . That’s a very comprehensive answer and I thank you very much. I’d always wondered about these things, and now, thanks to your very thorough effort, I know. I have to say that your films are compelling. There’s lots available about the tourism in the islands but little about how the residents actually manage their lives. Can’t thank you enough.
Hi Todd, I have a somewhat related question, "why are there so few marina's and when there is one, why are they generally on the smaller size?"
Everything is seasonal here, so it is hard for a marina to make a go of it. The season is May through October, with almost no transient business before mid-June or after mid-September. Also, waterfront property is VERY expensive, so there is no way a new marina could make a go of it financially. The Southwest Harbor marina is built around the wharf for an old sardine cannery. The present owners have owned it for a LONG time. Also marine environmental law makes it almost impossible to build a new marina. A large marina would be very expensive to operate since the docks have to be hauled out for the winter. Locally only the main piers remain in. All the finger piers are hauled out and stored on land for the winter.
There is certainly a significant price difference between the marina and a mooring! Definitely food for thought for anybody living in that type of area.
Marina space is generally cost prohibitive for local people with the exception of retirees. There are few jobs here that pay enough to afford keeping a boat at the marina.
That was awesome. Do people often sell their moorings? Also are most of the village harbors at capacity or do they have room for additional moorings? All in all its very reasonable cost. Thanks for the valuable information.
Yes,when someone gives up their mooring it is sold to the next person on the waiting list. Most harbors are currently full and have waiting lists. There are rental moorings available in some harbors. Those moorings tend to cost $1,500-$2,000 per season depending on where they are.
@@todddunn945 This is a small world I am looking for a 1960's Alberg 30, Pearson Triton 28, Cape Dory etc. There is a Pearson Triton 28 in your Harbor for sale. I kick myself I did see it when we where up this summer. I was up looking at some Pacific Seacraft Flickas while on vacation. Dont know the name of the boat but it has a Blue hull. The guy who owns it is a Marine Surveyor in that area. The only concern I had was the boat was built with no fiberglass insert which was the norm. It has wood built out interior. So dont know if it was from factory like that or was partially sunk or a fire on board. Never know on a 50 year old boat.
@@Hindukushsailing A stick built wooden interior can be a plus or minus depending on how well it was done and to a lesser extent on potential buyers expectations. Just for reference, higher end boats (Hinckley, Morris, Sabre, etc.) tend to have stick built wooden interiors with a minimum of fiberglass.Even some "lesser" boats have all wood interiors. My Allied 36, for example, has no fiberglass in the interior except for the shower pan in the head. The entire interior is wood. Another consideration is that back in the 60s lots of builders sold bare hulls/decks that people finished out. Those owner finished boats range in quality from poor to as good as it gets. I saw the ad for the Triton on Yacht World and it sounds as if that boat was owner finished. Based on the pictures I saw there the quality is middle of the road.
@@todddunn945 I had the same gut feelings about owner build or a fire. Thank you for the insight.
Up here we have concrete ones with a 6-8in. hole in the concrete so last ages. there poured that way with rebar inside!
Concrete mooring are quite uncommon here. Granite is cheap and readily available and both stronger and more dense than concrete, so almost everyone uses granite blocks.
Believe it or not, they’re just starting to use mooring balls down here which is nice.
00:00-10:53 Mushroom, Triangle, Concrete block, Stone block anchors
10:54-13:18 Typical setup for Mooring bottom chain, top chain, shackles, ball, pendant and pendant rope
13:19-15:36 Review sizes for typical setup
15:37-16:40 Pick-up buoy
16:41-23:13 Maintenance, replacement, wear/tear/care, cost considerations
23:14-24:34 The advantages to having a good mooring and one disadvantage
24:35-31:39 Cost and fees
Thanks for taking the time to print out the time line of topics.
@@todddunn945 No problem, I listened to a couple of sections more than once and thought what if want to come back to this later. Very informative, you did a great job explaining not just the what and the how, but the rationale also.
@@MrIrving8 thanks. I try to be comprehensive in this type of video. I appreciate the time you took to make the timeline.