Mate I just wanted so say a quick than you for all the effort you put into your videos. This Beginner series has been a great help to me as a new shooter trying to navigate the onerous licensing and permit system. When I say "new shooter" I'm referring to the whole licensing, registering and PTA thing. As a former ADF member I'm not exactly new to firearms, but it's been many years since we could pick up a used SKS out of the old trading post and go have a yippy shoot at the range. Your attitude and professionalism as shown in your content is doing wonders for the sport in my opinion. once again, thanks.
Excellent presentation as we have come to expect from our friend down under! I would only add that the Leupold "Freedom" series of scopes are near perfect for rim fire rifle use and affordable to boot! No frills and no "target" type turrets and such, just pure no nonsense hunting scopes... I have their 4-12 on a CZ 457 17 HMR and their 3-9 on a CZ 452 22 lr and they are about as perfectly suited to my needs in the field or the range as anything I can think of... There are scopes that would serve better for "precision" shooting, however prior to switching to the 3-9 on the 452, that rifle wore a 77 vintage Leupold M8 fixed 4x that easily produced many one hole groups at 55 yards! That's been enough "precision" for my needs but its time to stretch things out just for the fun of it and the 3-9 should help with accomplishing that! Thank you for always providing a well informed opinion and a well measured outlook along with a healthy dose of experience in your videos! They are quite enjoyable to watch...
great clear and honest advise. I have a 22 magnum and 223. 223 is running at a cost of around 85c/shot and the magnum 60c/shot. my 223 is my go to rifle for foxes on larger acreages and the rim on small acreage.
I'll be buying my first this year so thank you for all your info with the beginners series. I'm tossing up between the tiger american, Cz 455 and the Lithgow. If the Lithgow had open sights it wouldn't even be a question.
teatowel11 I believe they would have to lighten the Lithgow to make open sights useful but that's just my preference. Your choice will really come down to your main use, so that's where you need to be 100% honest with yourself and choose a rifle that suits what you will actually be doing ie, hunting, range, combination, shooting off hand, supported etc etc
Hi there. I'm just beginning my journey in my early 50s and getting my little lad shooting at the range. I've applied (here in NZ) for my Firearms License, have my gun safe installed, and sit my safety course in early May. We'll be looking at a .22 (Tikka T1X most likely) and doing range work and perhaps bunnies, and if we're 'into it' we'll go larger for 'up to deer' in maybe a year or so. Hopefully the next video on centrefire rifles will give me some guidance for that next step. Thank you so much for this video series, I'm learning a lot. Cheers.
Just found your channel. Great vids and info. But unless that $2500 .22 can put every bullet thru the same hole @ 100yrds, it's about $2300 over-priced.
Thanks for the series mate🇦🇺🦘.. haven't had a shot in 30+ years.. but I am going to now... just have to remember all the stuff I've forgotten... which means everything.
Another good video, lots of good common sense advice. A 22LR is a must have rifle, they are so popular for so many reasons. A scope option worth considering is the Leupold VX-1 2-7x33. Quality kit at a reasonable price, and not too heavy or bulky. Cheers!
Just set up my first cz 452 today with a Harris knock off and Bushnell Rimfire 3-12x40 adjustable down to 10 yards, can't wait to take it to the range, was looking at a Lithgow 101 but they had the 452 on sale with 500 rounds for $600 I couldn't say no
Good general advice and some nice rifles also covered... I use a Browning T-Bolt Varmint .22LR and a Sako Quad with .22WMR Varmint Barrel... Both excellent rimfire rifles and very accurate at the appropriate ranges and will eat any ammo tried so far. The WMR loves the 30g Hornady, - 33g Remmington and 40g MaxiMag HP! I agree with your advice on the scopes too... 6 X fixed would be a great option!! Great Videos... Look forward to more!!
I really enjoy your videos...just stumbled on this older one. I enjoy my .22lr and .22mag, but just picked up a Savage .17hmr (mostly because it has a ‘lefty’ bolt!). I plan on using it to get more proficient with scopes and longer range shooting. Will probably only be stalking soda cans and pieces of fruit!
Thank you very much! I am new to rifle shooting and I've been watching a lot of your videos,you have helped me a lot...Please keep it coming and thanks.
I'm about to get a Browning 17hmr the scope I'm getting is a meopta 4-12x42 scope put on it. It will mostly be used for bunny's and crows. I can't wait.
Anschutz are great, but now you have to try out the Vudoo Gunworks rifle. It's taking over the 22LR precision shooting field. VERY expensive, but about the same price as a top-end Anschutz. And what sets it apart is that it is Remington 700 receiver compatible -- this means you can put in your favorite trigger (Timney, Jewel, Geiselle, Trigger Tech), change to any Rem700 stock or barrel if you like and mount a variety of rings and picatinny rails. Never underestimate the importance of that.
By watching RUclips videos I feel that Australians and Texans have a lot in common. I love CZ and Anschutz. I’m down to just the 1720 now. If I had to choose one rifle to live with, that’s the one I’ll take.
I’ve met a lot of guys over the years say their 22 magnums would shoot one hole groups. Lol I’ve never seen another shoot like mine. It is so consistent with anything from 30-45 grain ammo. The beauty of it is it only cost around $600 on clearance. I wouldn’t sell it for $5000
Thank you Ozzie Reviews, that really was a completely comprehensive review, I personally learned as lot of r really useful information that was not entirely clear to me until now, great video and very much appreciated.
i bought an anshultz 1422 dkv when i was 17 back in 86 for 450 dollars new. I was horrified when i saw the prices of the new version you are showing here, still have it today and it still shoots nicely
17hmr has more energy than 22 magnum after 125 yards (give or take). The energy within 125 yards is still ridiculously high and more than enough to liquefy any small game it hits. I hunt rabbits/hares/foxes with my 17hmr and even body shots at between 10 - 150 yards, it absolutely drops them in 1 bullet. Don't really understand what experiences you've had with 17hmr Ozzie, as I have had consistent results with hunting small game. Great for headshooting Roos too. (but not good practise, I'll stick to .223 for those boys). Thanks ozzie
The 17hmr NEVER has more energy than a 22wmr. Matter of fact, the 17hmr has less energy at 200yds than a standard velocity 40gr 22lr. Both 22 caliber rimfire are more versatile than the 17 caliber varieties.
it may have more energy but the 17 lacks the cavatation of the 22wmr wich is why it is no good on anything bigger than a rabbit /hare where i shoot deer with my mag it does more physical damage
Mate , I agree with your choice of the .22WMR an excellent hunting round. I have a sako quad .22wmr and only a couple of weeks ago I shot a Rabbit through the head at 160yds. The longest on a rabbit so far is 180 yds and both shots are captured on my vids. The .22WMR has sadly taken an unfair back seat to the HMR, no doubt the HMR is an excellent round but as an all round hunting rimfire you really cant beat the ol WMR. A friend who was once ranked 3rd in the national benchrest shooting team has a HMR and he tells me that hes in two minds about this cal. One day he absolutely loves it the next he wants to smash his rifle (a CZ) against a tree. I have been shooting the WMR since 85 my first rifle was a superbly accurate Krico 352 deluxe, this rifle with Win super x would honestly put 5 into 1" at 100yds all day long , which was outstanding for a WMR back then. What we need to see, is the WMR loaded with a 40gn VMAX boat tail bullet , now that would be something and would seriously shake up the HMR when it comes to long range rabbit sniping. Anyway , a great vid and Im sure people just starting in the shooting sports will get a lot of good info from watching, cheers and atb, Sean
Thanks for the comment Sean, yeah it has fond memories for me too... what I would love to see is a 22WSM and loaded with 40gr VMAX projectiles. That would really be the king of the rimfire world in my view. I am surprised that they haven't come out with it as the 17WSM (like all 17s) is severely limited with bullet weight. Even if they came out with a 204WSM loaded with a 40gr VMAX i'd be happy...
lol old single shot lithgow i learnt with same as my father and still shoot one and are accurate. mind you i have a nirinco they sell for $200 and they are super accurate too.
I know its your opinion on the .17hmr. The round is great for small game and its got a much flatter prodjectory. As a gunsmith once said to me "no one comes in talking how great there .22mag is compared to the .17hmr shooters do". Great review
Yeah they used to be when we had actual freedom, but times are changing and so is the government (whether they like it or not our numbers are growing at such a rate we will simply vote them out!)
Thanks for sharing this one, friend. That was an epic amount of information to share in such a short amount of time! Very well orated, I think you did that in one take!? This 🇨🇦 says "Hello there!"
I personally hunt small game with 22lr subsonics (Winchester 40gr). I don't bother with any standard velocity 22lr because it's only 1,300 fps. It soon drops below transonic and accuracy suffers. High velocity 22.lr or hyper velocity will carry the round further. Step up I also use 22wsm, although the 22lr has more purpose. Here hornady V-max is just sooo good. Approaching 200m is possible but not beyond. I've lined up a biscuit tin at 250m and corrected for considerable drop, with rounds just hitting the tin all over the place. Not suitable for hunting. But plenty of fun non the less.
I have spent weeks trying to decide on make and calibre for a rimfire rifle. I must have watched scores of videos and none of them have been able to give me a clear and succinct summary from which to make a decision, then @£$% me I find an Aussie who has answered all my questions in two simple videos. Cheers mate, don’t suppose you have a vid on how to ‘gently’ tell the wife that I need two rifles?
Good review. For a first time shooter there are a lot of cheaper options out there that are tack drivers. Would hate to see a prospective new shooter discouraged because someone told them a cheaper rifle was rubbish. They probably don't have the finish of the more expensive brands but are well worth it for the novice.
Yep, have heard good and bad about the old norinco. I have a Stevens 22wmr, cheap as chips but shoots like a laser. Haven't heard anything about the new Mosberg 22 but it looks pretty swish with its thumb hole pistol grip. I can see the design would attract a new shooter, and its under $400.
I looked at multiple rim fires and there is no substitute for going to the shop and seeing and handling the options. I settled on the CZ 453 set trigger with a var barrel. Have a Vortex diamond 4x16 scope (awesom scopes). Biggest contributor to consistent accuracy - picking the best ammo for the rifle after shooting 10 to 15 different brand/type rounds.
really informative video mate. i get what you are saying about the 17hmr and i still love mine but as you said very specific caliber mainly rabbits. but ok for head shots on foxes under 100m. just turns them to mush. im yet to even shoot a 22.mag but i dare say within the next 12 months it will be another one i add to my collection as i get more and more into fox shooting
Nicholas Hodges I think the ultimate rimfire fox round is this 17wsm however there are some outstanding 22mag rounds available, just depends on your need as you say and I agree, 100 yards or under on a head shot in a fox with a 17hmr, it'll certainly work :)
Thanks Ozzie .. Fantastic series and great info as usual .. I reckon u should spend some time with a 17HMR, some say the most accurate rim fire round .. we use them for head shooting Roos every other weekend
Haven't had a chance to test if it holds zero, but mounts just fine and has nice clear glass. Centered vertically true to a plumb line with the crosshairs which is always a plus!It's a great ruclips.net/user/postUgkxc4K63Fd5LglDMObu7-Bgapxp_ef0W8hE scope. There's no parallax adjustment or focus ring, so may be limited to 3-7x, have to see how it is on the range. Also be aware that the rings are "look through" so you can still use irons, but they are really tall if you only intend to use the optics. On a 22LR no biggie since I'm not shooting competitions or worried about a hard cheek press. Will boresight and range test, if all goes well, I'll leave it at that!
I'm getting married soon with an Anschütz 1727F .22lr. Oh and she will be my very first rifle that I'll own. I believe that we'll have a long time relationship - so it's worth the extra pennies between it and i.e. the 1710 HB. The Fortner action has just put a spell on my mind since I've discovered it, though people say that the trigger is something just as exciting to look forward to. The next rifle with a more appropriate caliber for moose hunting - will be something as simple as an Finnish M39, if I can get a license on it and find one in a good condition. Thanks anyways for that 'ol 1727F .17hmr review, no one else seem to be wanting to share about the precious. :)
Ozzie,A great little revue as usual but I'm astonished you didn't include the CZ just below the anschutz it's been the biggest selling 22r/for many years now in GB, but then again I know you can't include everything. Regards limey b.
Gerald Swain the CZ is a great brand that offers heaps of value but I couldn't go into them all otherwise the review would take hours, so I just wanted to talk about some features to get people thinking and then they could apply it to other brands too to make the best decision for their needs if that makes sense?
I'm soon to have my licence, and i've pretty much decided on the Ruger American .22LR, however, i'm still undecided on the 18" or 22" Barrel. Being a city dweller most of my shooting will be at the range, but the idea is to have something that I can go rabbiting with (should the opportunity be forthcoming). Obviously the 18" would be easier to carry around, but would the longer barrel be of any benefit at the range since that's where it will get the most use?
I have the 22" standard model and it's ideal for the range and hunting, so I'd recommend it if you're a tall guy as the compact is more suited to shorter people with a smaller length of pull.
depends on what you call tall :p I'm 5'7, so I'm somewhere between tall and short :p 22" is certainly the cheaper option (unless purchasing with a hardwood stock), But looking at the website of my local gunshop I noticed they have just released a "target" version with a heavier 18" barrel and Picatinny rail ($175 more than the standard rifle)..... maybe I need to buy 2 :p
fair call :) Thanks for the reply's, many review channels don't seem to be interested in answering "newbie" questions, your now on the subscribed list :)
for the .22lr the 18" barrel is actually ballistically past the upper limit of what's needed, most people should refer you to the science that indicates it's actually too long so, so get the 18" - it's a no brainer........chuckhawks.com - check it out young man ! Back in the Day wiith Iron Sights, when Sight 'Radius,' more appropriately called sight length was needed for long range accuracy , the longer barrel guns with a longer sight radius could be Potentially more accurate and the longer, heavier barrel made the gun easier to hold steady, BUT YOU HAD TO LUG IT AROUND IN THE WOODS - with modern scopes 18" is better - there is something called 'lock time' - too long a barrel can be a detriment to accuracy .... btw, the MAJORITY of people commenting on firearm blogs have no idea what they are talking about when it comes to low velocity, rim fire guns, or any firearms for that matter. BEWARE hahaha. Get a heavy barrel, bolt action CZ instead, or save up for a Browning T-Bolt Varmint and put a Jard trigger in it - game over - family heirloom, either way, put THE BEST GLASS you can afford on it - that makes much more of a difference than barrel length imho - always will. For example, I have a Beeman R7 airgun with $400 Leupold Glass with an AO on it - and Everyone wants to shoot it instead of the pos plinker airgun they bought. My .22lr are even better. Plinkster's Unite : ). Life's Too Short to Own Crap Firearms.
ah 22 rimfire. probably my favorite cartridge. I love my .223 and 300 WM but grabbing my one of my 4 rimfire guns is just great fun. any thoughts on Savage rifles?
As for bolt-action rimfires, whatever happened to straight-pulls, such as the Browning T-bolt, ISSC SPA, or Steyr Scout RFR, or pump-actions, such as the Remington 572 or Henry Octagon? I can't think of any reasons not to go for them, except for cost and durability for the former, or the challenge of shooting from the prone position or putting the rifle on a physical support for the latter.
I don’t understand why people get such high magnification scopes for hunting. I have a 3x9 and a 2x10. I find that even precision target shooting within 100M it’s more than enough and hunting I’ll comfortably take shots out to 300M at 10X. I feel like the quality of the glass and field of view is more important in most cases.
Hi There, liked the video thank you. I was looking at getting the 17 HMR then discovered the 17 WSM which based on balistics would be a better option. Questions, is 17 WSM amo as hard to get as some suggest and does it look like the the 17 WSM may become a thing of the past. Is the Savage B Mag in heavy barrel a good choice? Sorry for all the questions but will be a present for the young fella, thanks you.
can we chat, love to give you a call and talk, I'm 60 yrs old always loved shooting but family and work always got in the way, love the Lithcow rifles would love to have the whole set, specially the bull-pup mil rifles... In need some guidance... Baz...
Hey guys anyone recommend a gun I'm 14 not much money on a property having a look for a good rifle, I like the look of the tikkas but I don't know much. Ammo needs to be cheap however I would like to be able to take on more than just rabbits roos and foxes. If anyone has any idea please respond
Get a 22lr or 22wmr for the rabbits and foxes and a 243 or 308 for anything bigger keep in mind it is illegal to shoot Roos without special tags. 243 and 308 are kind of expensive for ammunition around 1.50 a shot however 22lr is around $6 for a 50 pack ammunition costs will vary depending where you live. Good luck mate
Check out our review on choosing the correct centrefire rifle: ruclips.net/video/JvmGOsp_IUA/видео.html
Mate I just wanted so say a quick than you for all the effort you put into your videos. This Beginner series has been a great help to me as a new shooter trying to navigate the onerous licensing and permit system. When I say "new shooter" I'm referring to the whole licensing, registering and PTA thing. As a former ADF member I'm not exactly new to firearms, but it's been many years since we could pick up a used SKS out of the old trading post and go have a yippy shoot at the range. Your attitude and professionalism as shown in your content is doing wonders for the sport in my opinion. once again, thanks.
Thanks Gavin, I am glad I could help, cheers!
Excellent presentation as we have come to expect from our friend down under! I would only add that the Leupold "Freedom" series of scopes are near perfect for rim fire rifle use and affordable to boot! No frills and no "target" type turrets and such, just pure no nonsense hunting scopes... I have their 4-12 on a CZ 457 17 HMR and their 3-9 on a CZ 452 22 lr and they are about as perfectly suited to my needs in the field or the range as anything I can think of... There are scopes that would serve better for "precision" shooting, however prior to switching to the 3-9 on the 452, that rifle wore a 77 vintage Leupold M8 fixed 4x that easily produced many one hole groups at 55 yards! That's been enough "precision" for my needs but its time to stretch things out just for the fun of it and the 3-9 should help with accomplishing that! Thank you for always providing a well informed opinion and a well measured outlook along with a healthy dose of experience in your videos! They are quite enjoyable to watch...
17HMR excellent round for foxes - lazer like accuracy - poly tips explosive
great clear and honest advise. I have a 22 magnum and 223. 223 is running at a cost of around 85c/shot and the magnum 60c/shot. my 223 is my go to rifle for foxes on larger acreages and the rim on small acreage.
Thanks for the great videos mate. As someone just going through the pain of getting a licence your videos have been very helpful.
Glad you find them useful mate, thanks for watching...
And yet the best buy of the lot is the CZ 455
Hell Yeah, I bought a 30 year old BRNO Mod. 2E last week, shoots great.
Agreed CZ455 👍
Their prices are going up
Sebastian Habel I have a BRNO mod 2 .22 shoots great
I'll be buying my first this year so thank you for all your info with the beginners series. I'm tossing up between the tiger american, Cz 455 and the Lithgow. If the Lithgow had open sights it wouldn't even be a question.
teatowel11 I believe they would have to lighten the Lithgow to make open sights useful but that's just my preference. Your choice will really come down to your main use, so that's where you need to be 100% honest with yourself and choose a rifle that suits what you will actually be doing ie, hunting, range, combination, shooting off hand, supported etc etc
This is well explained .. I'm an absolute beginner...thank you
Mate, I’m new to shooting and I absolutely love your reviews and presentation! Thanks heaps ah
Hi there. I'm just beginning my journey in my early 50s and getting my little lad shooting at the range. I've applied (here in NZ) for my Firearms License, have my gun safe installed, and sit my safety course in early May. We'll be looking at a .22 (Tikka T1X most likely) and doing range work and perhaps bunnies, and if we're 'into it' we'll go larger for 'up to deer' in maybe a year or so. Hopefully the next video on centrefire rifles will give me some guidance for that next step. Thank you so much for this video series, I'm learning a lot. Cheers.
Just found your channel. Great vids and info.
But unless that $2500 .22 can put every bullet thru the same hole @ 100yrds, it's about $2300 over-priced.
Thanks for the series mate🇦🇺🦘.. haven't had a shot in 30+ years.. but I am going to now... just have to remember all the stuff I've forgotten... which means everything.
Another good video, lots of good common sense advice. A 22LR is a must have rifle, they are so popular for so many reasons. A scope option worth considering is the Leupold VX-1 2-7x33. Quality kit at a reasonable price, and not too heavy or bulky. Cheers!
Yes or the specific Leupold rimfire scopes are great too
Just set up my first cz 452 today with a Harris knock off and Bushnell Rimfire 3-12x40 adjustable down to 10 yards, can't wait to take it to the range, was looking at a Lithgow 101 but they had the 452 on sale with 500 rounds for $600 I couldn't say no
Is that chamber in 7.62x39 ???
John Smith 22lr mate
John Smith your thinking the 527 I think
u won't be disappointed the 452 is a great rifle. ive got one and am very happy with it
Jamie m I couldn't say no for the price + everyone notes the legendary reliability
well said! sage advice from a seasoned pro. keep up the great work ozzie!
Stephen Martin don't know about the seasoned pro bit but safe advice I'll go with lol
Good general advice and some nice rifles also covered... I use a Browning T-Bolt Varmint .22LR and a Sako Quad with .22WMR Varmint Barrel... Both excellent rimfire rifles and very accurate at the appropriate ranges and will eat any ammo tried so far. The WMR loves the 30g Hornady, - 33g Remmington and 40g MaxiMag HP! I agree with your advice on the scopes too... 6 X fixed would be a great option!! Great Videos... Look forward to more!!
I really enjoy your videos...just stumbled on this older one. I enjoy my .22lr and .22mag, but just picked up a Savage .17hmr (mostly because it has a ‘lefty’ bolt!). I plan on using it to get more proficient with scopes and longer range shooting. Will probably only be stalking soda cans and pieces of fruit!
Great series. Can't wait for centrefire and shotgun episodes
s Can centrefire will be up next
Thank you very much! I am new to rifle shooting and I've been watching a lot of your videos,you have helped me a lot...Please keep it coming and thanks.
Sure will do
I'm about to get a Browning 17hmr the scope I'm getting is a meopta 4-12x42 scope put on it. It will mostly be used for bunny's and crows. I can't wait.
Anschutz are great, but now you have to try out the Vudoo Gunworks rifle. It's taking over the 22LR precision shooting field. VERY expensive, but about the same price as a top-end Anschutz. And what sets it apart is that it is Remington 700 receiver compatible -- this means you can put in your favorite trigger (Timney, Jewel, Geiselle, Trigger Tech), change to any Rem700 stock or barrel if you like and mount a variety of rings and picatinny rails. Never underestimate the importance of that.
By watching RUclips videos I feel that Australians and Texans have a lot in common. I love CZ and Anschutz. I’m down to just the 1720 now. If I had to choose one rifle to live with, that’s the one I’ll take.
The 1720 wasn't common here in Australia unfortunately, I'd love one myself...
I’ve met a lot of guys over the years say their 22 magnums would shoot one hole groups. Lol
I’ve never seen another shoot like mine. It is so consistent with anything from 30-45 grain ammo. The beauty of it is it only cost around $600 on clearance. I wouldn’t sell it for $5000
Great video Ozzie,..you've covered my three favorite topics. I am a self proclaimed 'rimfire nut'.
Thanks for this.
You and me both :)
Good stuff Ozzie. Really informative. Choosing the correct centrefire rifle up next? Need a bit of help trying to decide what brand to get.
DRV13 yep will be up next week all going well
Thank you Ozzie Reviews, that really was a completely comprehensive review, I personally learned as lot of r really useful information that was not entirely clear to me until now, great video and very much appreciated.
Excellent presentation and information. Thank you.
Choosing your first centre fire video next?
Dane French sure is
i bought an anshultz 1422 dkv when i was 17 back in 86 for 450 dollars new. I was horrified when i saw the prices of the new version you are showing here, still have it today and it still shoots nicely
10 mins 54 is my reaction when people suggest rifles other than Anschutz haha just kiddin great vid aussie!.
ShoulderRollJason thanks mate, there's heaps of great brands out there but yes I do love my anschutz :)
17hmr has more energy than 22 magnum after 125 yards (give or take). The energy within 125 yards is still ridiculously high and more than enough to liquefy any small game it hits. I hunt rabbits/hares/foxes with my 17hmr and even body shots at between 10 - 150 yards, it absolutely drops them in 1 bullet. Don't really understand what experiences you've had with 17hmr Ozzie, as I have had consistent results with hunting small game. Great for headshooting Roos too. (but not good practise, I'll stick to .223 for those boys). Thanks ozzie
It's not a calibre I've warmed to, I prefer the 17WSM if I am going to use a 17 cal, but I like the 22mag personally...
The 17hmr NEVER has more energy than a 22wmr. Matter of fact, the 17hmr has less energy at 200yds than a standard velocity 40gr 22lr. Both 22 caliber rimfire are more versatile than the 17 caliber varieties.
it may have more energy but the 17 lacks the cavatation of the 22wmr wich is why it is no good on anything bigger than a rabbit /hare where i shoot deer with my mag it does more physical damage
Thanks Mate. Great video for a beginner like me.
Great vid mate! Very helpful.
Mate , I agree with your choice of the .22WMR an excellent hunting round. I have a sako quad .22wmr and only a couple of weeks ago I shot a Rabbit through the head at 160yds.
The longest on a rabbit so far is 180 yds and both shots are captured on my vids.
The .22WMR has sadly taken an unfair back seat to the HMR, no doubt the HMR is an excellent round but as an all round hunting rimfire you really cant beat the ol WMR.
A friend who was once ranked 3rd in the national benchrest shooting team has a HMR and he tells me that hes in two minds about this cal. One day he absolutely loves it the next he wants to smash his rifle (a CZ) against a tree.
I have been shooting the WMR since 85 my first rifle was a superbly accurate Krico 352 deluxe, this rifle with Win super x would honestly put 5 into 1" at 100yds all day long , which was outstanding for a WMR back then. What we need to see, is the WMR loaded with a 40gn VMAX boat tail bullet , now that would be something and would seriously shake up the HMR when it comes to long range rabbit sniping.
Anyway , a great vid and Im sure people just starting in the shooting sports will get a lot of good info from watching,
cheers and atb,
Sean
Thanks for the comment Sean, yeah it has fond memories for me too... what I would love to see is a 22WSM and loaded with 40gr VMAX projectiles. That would really be the king of the rimfire world in my view. I am surprised that they haven't come out with it as the 17WSM (like all 17s) is severely limited with bullet weight. Even if they came out with a 204WSM loaded with a 40gr VMAX i'd be happy...
There are 2 kinds of people: Those who learned to shoot on a Lithgow No.1 .22cal rimfire, and those who are wrong. :P
lol old single shot lithgow i learnt with same as my father and still shoot one and are accurate. mind you i have a nirinco they sell for $200 and they are super accurate too.
3 the dumbfuck that started on a 12g and shot 100 rounds the first time there ever shot a gun
I know its your opinion on the .17hmr. The round is great for small game and its got a much flatter prodjectory. As a gunsmith once said to me "no one comes in talking how great there .22mag is compared to the .17hmr shooters do".
Great review
I think it's hard to go past the Ruger 10/22 for your first rifle. Maybe one day, they will be easier to obtain in Australia one day.
Yeah they used to be when we had actual freedom, but times are changing and so is the government (whether they like it or not our numbers are growing at such a rate we will simply vote them out!)
Thanx always appreciate your candor and insight! Well done!
Mate great full of useful information I didn't know about scopes and stuff thanks
No problem, glad you got something from it mate
Great vid, can you please do a updated one for 2024 unless they are still relevant
Thanks for sharing this one, friend. That was an epic amount of information to share in such a short amount of time! Very well orated, I think you did that in one take!? This 🇨🇦 says "Hello there!"
The CZ 455 and 452 are the best value for money rifles on the market . High quality and extraordinary accuracy. They are simply the best!
I'm surprised they didn't get a mention.
I personally hunt small game with 22lr subsonics (Winchester 40gr). I don't bother with any standard velocity 22lr because it's only 1,300 fps. It soon drops below transonic and accuracy suffers. High velocity 22.lr or hyper velocity will carry the round further.
Step up I also use 22wsm, although the 22lr has more purpose. Here hornady V-max is just sooo good. Approaching 200m is possible but not beyond. I've lined up a biscuit tin at 250m and corrected for considerable drop, with rounds just hitting the tin all over the place. Not suitable for hunting. But plenty of fun non the less.
hey Ozzie......let's try out those rifles to my brno2 year 67....always dead on....
Paul G I have 2 Brno mod 2 in 22 lr, so much fun! And accurate!!
They’re pretty good next to savage models and Winchester’s , i like weatherbys as my favourite brands in .247 of .308
I have spent weeks trying to decide on make and calibre for a rimfire rifle. I must have watched scores of videos and none of them have been able to give me a clear and succinct summary from which to make a decision, then @£$% me I find an Aussie who has answered all my questions in two simple videos. Cheers mate, don’t suppose you have a vid on how to ‘gently’ tell the wife that I need two rifles?
Awesome Video Buddy i really enjoyed that
holdenman77 cheers glad you got something from it
Good review. For a first time shooter there are a lot of cheaper options out there that are tack drivers. Would hate to see a prospective new shooter discouraged because someone told them a cheaper rifle was rubbish. They probably don't have the finish of the more expensive brands but are well worth it for the novice.
ozdatman the only cheap rifle I'm not a huge fan of is norinco, they are rough as guts!
Yep, have heard good and bad about the old norinco. I have a Stevens 22wmr, cheap as chips but shoots like a laser. Haven't heard anything about the new Mosberg 22 but it looks pretty swish with its thumb hole pistol grip. I can see the design would attract a new shooter, and its under $400.
might of 'accidentally' bought a lee enfield no.4 as my first rifle....
Nice one, my first 2 rifles were an m38 and an m41b swedes.
I looked at multiple rim fires and there is no substitute for going to the shop and seeing and handling the options. I settled on the CZ 453 set trigger with a var barrel. Have a Vortex diamond 4x16 scope (awesom scopes). Biggest contributor to consistent accuracy - picking the best ammo for the rifle after shooting 10 to 15 different brand/type rounds.
Great video
petej222 thanks mate
really informative video mate. i get what you are saying about the 17hmr and i still love mine but as you said very specific caliber mainly rabbits. but ok for head shots on foxes under 100m. just turns them to mush. im yet to even shoot a 22.mag but i dare say within the next 12 months it will be another one i add to my collection as i get more and more into fox shooting
Nicholas Hodges I think the ultimate rimfire fox round is this 17wsm however there are some outstanding 22mag rounds available, just depends on your need as you say and I agree, 100 yards or under on a head shot in a fox with a 17hmr, it'll certainly work :)
Thanks Ozzie .. Fantastic series and great info as usual .. I reckon u should spend some time with a 17HMR, some say the most accurate rim fire round .. we use them for head shooting Roos every other weekend
I know how accurate it is as remember I had it in the Anschutz 1727F, it's just a calibre that I'm not a fan of...
O that was a sweet rifle .. On the dream list :)
There's not many of them getting around but they are one hell of a rifle!
Another great review
Love mycz 527 in 22 hornet
Haven't had a chance to test if it holds zero, but mounts just fine and has nice clear glass. Centered vertically true to a plumb line with the crosshairs which is always a plus!It's a great ruclips.net/user/postUgkxc4K63Fd5LglDMObu7-Bgapxp_ef0W8hE scope. There's no parallax adjustment or focus ring, so may be limited to 3-7x, have to see how it is on the range. Also be aware that the rings are "look through" so you can still use irons, but they are really tall if you only intend to use the optics. On a 22LR no biggie since I'm not shooting competitions or worried about a hard cheek press. Will boresight and range test, if all goes well, I'll leave it at that!
Great video Ozzie! In the next month or so I'm gonna be putting in a PTA for a Anschutz 1517 or a 1416! Can't wait :D
Jarrod Hartley nice work, you'll enjoy it I'm sure
Next one can you please list all the exact models in the video details?
Great vid - one thing I learned over the years your rifle is as only good as your ammo.
I'm getting married soon with an Anschütz 1727F .22lr. Oh and she will be my very first rifle that I'll own. I believe that we'll have a long time relationship - so it's worth the extra pennies between it and i.e. the 1710 HB.
The Fortner action has just put a spell on my mind since I've discovered it, though people say that the trigger is something just as exciting to look forward to.
The next rifle with a more appropriate caliber for moose hunting - will be something as simple as an Finnish M39, if I can get a license on it and find one in a good condition.
Thanks anyways for that 'ol 1727F .17hmr review, no one else seem to be wanting to share about the precious. :)
Certainly is a nice rifle...
Awesome Keep Them Coming Cheers :)
John Smith will do
I know that .22’s don’t have much kick at all but the first stock looks pretty uncomfortable but besides that it ticks all the boxes
It's hard to beat a Ruger 10-22, they will eat almost any ammo and probably more have been sold than all other 22 rimfire rifles combined.
Hi Ozzie, great video as usual. What about the different actions? Straight pull vs traditional bolt, lever, pump, revolver etc.
Sure, nothing wrong with them but I can't cover off on every single type otherwise the video would go for over an hour!
CAn you do a review on the Rossi rb22 bolt action please.
Whats the Schmidt & Bender scope that you have on your Lighgow please? Thanks for another great video!
Ozzie,A great little revue as usual but I'm astonished you didn't include the CZ just
below the anschutz it's been the biggest selling 22r/for many years now in GB, but then again
I know you can't include everything.
Regards limey b.
Gerald Swain the CZ is a great brand that offers heaps of value but I couldn't go into them all otherwise the review would take hours, so I just wanted to talk about some features to get people thinking and then they could apply it to other brands too to make the best decision for their needs if that makes sense?
ozziereviews Ozzie, I should have engaged brain before hitting the send button ,I knew I'd fcuked up !!!....cheers mate.
Love!!!
Woulda been nice to see a row of all the ammo lined up :-)
like the beginner stuff, can you do a review on small to large shotguns for a small property, cheers mate.
Ron Tobisch yes it'll be something I'll take a look at
Thanks mate
Cheers Mate!
Thanks !
Looking to buy a 22 semi auto and would appreciate your thoughts of which would be best on rabbits....
I'm soon to have my licence, and i've pretty much decided on the Ruger American .22LR, however, i'm still undecided on the 18" or 22" Barrel. Being a city dweller most of my shooting will be at the range, but the idea is to have something that I can go rabbiting with (should the opportunity be forthcoming). Obviously the 18" would be easier to carry around, but would the longer barrel be of any benefit at the range since that's where it will get the most use?
I have the 22" standard model and it's ideal for the range and hunting, so I'd recommend it if you're a tall guy as the compact is more suited to shorter people with a smaller length of pull.
depends on what you call tall :p I'm 5'7, so I'm somewhere between tall and short :p 22" is certainly the cheaper option (unless purchasing with a hardwood stock), But looking at the website of my local gunshop I noticed they have just released a "target" version with a heavier 18" barrel and Picatinny rail ($175 more than the standard rifle)..... maybe I need to buy 2 :p
just go into the shop and handle both and choose which one fits you the best
fair call :) Thanks for the reply's, many review channels don't seem to be interested in answering "newbie" questions, your now on the subscribed list :)
for the .22lr the 18" barrel is actually ballistically past the upper limit of what's needed, most people should refer you to the science that indicates it's actually too long so, so get the 18" - it's a no brainer........chuckhawks.com - check it out young man ! Back in the Day wiith Iron Sights, when Sight 'Radius,' more appropriately called sight length was needed for long range accuracy , the longer barrel guns with a longer sight radius could be Potentially more accurate and the longer, heavier barrel made the gun easier to hold steady, BUT YOU HAD TO LUG IT AROUND IN THE WOODS - with modern scopes 18" is better - there is something called 'lock time' - too long a barrel can be a detriment to accuracy .... btw, the MAJORITY of people commenting on firearm blogs have no idea what they are talking about when it comes to low velocity, rim fire guns, or any firearms for that matter. BEWARE hahaha. Get a heavy barrel, bolt action CZ instead, or save up for a Browning T-Bolt Varmint and put a Jard trigger in it - game over - family heirloom, either way, put THE BEST GLASS you can afford on it - that makes much more of a difference than barrel length imho - always will. For example, I have a Beeman R7 airgun with $400 Leupold Glass with an AO on it - and Everyone wants to shoot it instead of the pos plinker airgun they bought. My .22lr are even better. Plinkster's Unite : ). Life's Too Short to Own Crap Firearms.
ah 22 rimfire. probably my favorite cartridge. I love my .223 and 300 WM but grabbing my one of my 4 rimfire guns is just great fun. any thoughts on Savage rifles?
As for bolt-action rimfires, whatever happened to straight-pulls, such as the Browning T-bolt, ISSC SPA, or Steyr Scout RFR, or pump-actions, such as the Remington 572 or Henry Octagon? I can't think of any reasons not to go for them, except for cost and durability for the former, or the challenge of shooting from the prone position or putting the rifle on a physical support for the latter.
As I said in the video, it's not going to cover ever brand out there, if I did, the video would be over an hour long!
***** Oh, okay!
Do you need clearance from a doctor to get a gun license for a gun even for sport in Australia? A pistol or bolt action?
Thanks for uploading ozzie, love your videos they are very informative. My question is do you own all the rifles you use in your videos?
The majority yes, however some are loaners.
Mate that's awesome!!
It becomes VERY expensive tho :( hence why I have started a Patreon donation account for followers to show their appreciation
Yeah i thought it would be, good idea hope it goes well for ya.
What about left hand 22 wmr rifels
I can’t make my mind up between the ruger 77 and the Lithgow la101,
Has Lithgow fixed the common feeding issue?
I don’t understand why people get such high magnification scopes for hunting. I have a 3x9 and a 2x10. I find that even precision target shooting within 100M it’s more than enough and hunting I’ll comfortably take shots out to 300M at 10X. I feel like the quality of the glass and field of view is more important in most cases.
Gday mate which rifle barrel is best a short or long one
Browning BL-22 :) Why would you want anything else !
My first firearm and a fun gun, but the standard sights are meh. But in exchange the trigger is much better than most people say ;)
Do people hunt turkeys with 22LR?
Hi There,
liked the video thank you. I was looking at getting the 17 HMR then discovered the 17 WSM which based on balistics would be a better option. Questions, is 17 WSM amo as hard to get as some suggest and does it look like the the 17 WSM may become a thing of the past. Is the Savage B Mag in heavy barrel a good choice? Sorry for all the questions but will be a present for the young fella, thanks you.
If its for your young fella, get the 17HMR, the ammo is way cheaper which means more range time for him
Thanks for that. other then that the WSM is an ok buy Correct?
Yes, good power for a rimfire but not as accurate as the 17HMR from what I've seen personally...
Ive dropped a 50kg sow in it's tracks with a .22LR using a heart shot.
I'm just looking into getting into shooting over here in Australia... Then found out i cant get a 10/22 like back home. 😭
Next Weihrauch HW100 pcp thumb hole.22 what do you reckon
25 round magazine, 25 is your bag limit for rabbits?
can we chat, love to give you a call and talk, I'm 60 yrs old always loved shooting but family and work always got in the way, love the Lithcow rifles would love to have the whole set, specially the bull-pup mil rifles... In need some guidance... Baz...
No 10/22?
Not in this country mate
Funny how 17WSM costs as much as .223 to shoot. Lmao I'll take .223 every day over 17WSM
kool vid
Ha i will watch this when i get home. Hopefully it opens a can of worms!
Is it ok to have a 25 round rim fire mag in QLD?
Yes
@ 10:51, no sure if Giant Hornet or Humming bird.
Haha Nearly had to shoot the friggen thing
@@Josh-e2l With what? I don't think even a .308 would have fazed it. It was huge!
😀😀😀😀verygood😄😄😄😄
Hey guys anyone recommend a gun I'm 14 not much money on a property having a look for a good rifle, I like the look of the tikkas but I don't know much. Ammo needs to be cheap however I would like to be able to take on more than just rabbits roos and foxes. If anyone has any idea please respond
Get a 22lr or 22wmr for the rabbits and foxes and a 243 or 308 for anything bigger keep in mind it is illegal to shoot Roos without special tags. 243 and 308 are kind of expensive for ammunition around 1.50 a shot however 22lr is around $6 for a 50 pack ammunition costs will vary depending where you live. Good luck mate
@@connormainey893 would 243 or 308 be better?
my first rifle was an sks.. lol
Just stumbled across this. I didn't think Australians could own a gun.