So here's my take on Behringer. I'm just getting started into the whole modular / synth world. It's open the doorway for me because of the price is extremely affordable compared to their cloned / vintage counterpart. I think that it's an easier way for beginners to get inspired into this very diverse new electronic world. And believe me it does get confusing at times. I buy so many wrong pieces of gear only to be returning pieces that I thought I needed. So my take is that The people that already have these vintage genuine modules and synths should take pride on knowing that they actually have the original and they should know that nothing could sound as perfect as a moog ECT. I can still tell the difference between the two. It's kind of like a disposable camera versus a Fujifilm GFX 100s with A. 110 mm f. 2.0. or a Mamiya RB67. there's no comparison. But it gets us interested and inspired especially if we don't have a whole lot of time and money to be able to invest in such a hobby quite yet. I am thankful for Behringer and I do see how people could be upset. But it actually has opened the doorway for me to get involved with such a hobby. My daughter and I both love our synths and she has hours of fun playing on them. It won't be long now till I'm able to afford mutable marbles and other name brand modules.
@@justrichardcharles The main thing is that they are showing that synths should not cost that much. Personally I don't have much from Behringer (only 3xCrave, Flow 8, MX400 and PX2000 PatchBay) but definitely going to buy GRIND (and maybe also SPICE/EDGE later next year).
I saw Behringer's demo, I immediately bought the Brains module. I really like it! The Edge has a 24db/oct ladder filter and an 8 step sequencer, so I can just patch 'em up together to basically make a Grind.
@@justrichardcharles the edge is fun, but I made one track with it and then that was about it. I like playing with it but I'm not finding it creatively inspiring
I freaking love Behringer, not everybody has 1000 bucks to spend on a synth, and having more options its always a good thing. I bought the Edge, then the Crave and I can't wait for this thing, this looks cool as heck, super versatile.
Who knows how much truth there is to this, but more options might not be better if they entail removing the incentive to do R&D on new kit. This thing not so much, but the Abacus or Four Play are straight plagiarism. I have no advice for anyone as far as whether it's ethical to buy from them, but you can't deny that there is a downside.
@@GeorgeLocke Im in a similar frame of mind I used to dismiss Behringer outright, because of these issues, and they didn't really bring anything out into the world that didnt exist the Korg Arp and the Moog mini modulars were cheap enough to not be tempted by Behringer clones, with all the issues that entails (and the horrible QC i remember from my younger days) and for every Deepmind, there are enough alternatives from smaller companies yes, Behringer is dirt cheap (economy of scale) - but at what price, that is still the only question Behringer doesnt show me that synths are overpriced, it shows me that maybe we want too much (everything at once) and this way of life is untenable
I would however, consider a B synth, if it was a clone of a vintage synth that is either not currently reissued or produced by a different company with actual ties to the community (investing in R+D) the Cat is too similar to the odyssey, the pro1 cuts into sales of other Sequential products, so on their practice of flooding the gearspace with announcements that may or may not see the light, is still jarring, seeing as it ruins the anticipation for the products of the competition, putting off potential buyers who might save up for a decent musical instrument they might have a lifelong relationship with, exploring it, really learning it, one investment instead of three similar impulse buys
Besides Plaits, it’s worth noting that Grind follows the path of Arturia’s Microfreak which includes some Plaits algorithms in a desktop synth, but with a keyboard and a mod matrix instead of a patch bay. I’m sure their market research looked closely at that precedent. It’s nice that they choose to take their version in a different direction to provide an alternative that differentiates on more than just price.
From what I can tell, the Crave is a Moog Mother 32 clone. The Grind adds Brains/Plaits. What I really like is the patch bay in the upper left, where the oscillator controls can be modulated by my other synths. It looks like they'll be adding additional VCO emulations in the future with firmware updates, which I think will be really cool. Behringer is both making products people want and updating them like with the Crave, Pro-1, RD-6, etc. I'm having fun with their products, but I can see why they are disliked.
Hahaha. Behringer is evil 👿??? Donner makes tb303 clone and now coming soon Donner SH101 clone. So, alot of clones out there. Maybe haters mad that Behringer makes the most clones.
Behringer has a new synth on the block - Grind. A desktop version of Brains, their Mutable Instruments Plaits clone.
So here's my take on Behringer. I'm just getting started into the whole modular / synth world. It's open the doorway for me because of the price is extremely affordable compared to their cloned / vintage counterpart. I think that it's an easier way for beginners to get inspired into this very diverse new electronic world. And believe me it does get confusing at times. I buy so many wrong pieces of gear only to be returning pieces that I thought I needed. So my take is that The people that already have these vintage genuine modules and synths should take pride on knowing that they actually have the original and they should know that nothing could sound as perfect as a moog ECT. I can still tell the difference between the two. It's kind of like a disposable camera versus a Fujifilm GFX 100s with A. 110 mm f. 2.0. or a Mamiya RB67. there's no comparison. But it gets us interested and inspired especially if we don't have a whole lot of time and money to be able to invest in such a hobby quite yet. I am thankful for Behringer and I do see how people could be upset. But it actually has opened the doorway for me to get involved with such a hobby. My daughter and I both love our synths and she has hours of fun playing on them. It won't be long now till I'm able to afford mutable marbles and other name brand modules.
No truer word said! Anything that encourages new people to get involved has to be a good thing!
"Behringer... favorite company to hate"? I have completely different opinion... it is our favorite company to love!
I think you're right, I have a few behringer products and plan on getting more. Seeing more love for behringer these days!
@@justrichardcharles The main thing is that they are showing that synths should not cost that much. Personally I don't have much from Behringer (only 3xCrave, Flow 8, MX400 and PX2000 PatchBay) but definitely going to buy GRIND (and maybe also SPICE/EDGE later next year).
I saw Behringer's demo, I immediately bought the Brains module. I really like it! The Edge has a 24db/oct ladder filter and an 8 step sequencer, so I can just patch 'em up together to basically make a Grind.
maybe its 32 step sequencer like in crave
I think they all have the same sequencer, which is cool.
@gavddotcodotuk how you getting on with edge. Been thinking about getting one for a while. Think Jon has one too.
@@justrichardcharles the edge is fun, but I made one track with it and then that was about it. I like playing with it but I'm not finding it creatively inspiring
I freaking love Behringer, not everybody has 1000 bucks to spend on a synth, and having more options its always a good thing.
I bought the Edge, then the Crave and I can't wait for this thing, this looks cool as heck, super versatile.
You're definitely right there. It does look pretty cool to be honest!
Who knows how much truth there is to this, but more options might not be better if they entail removing the incentive to do R&D on new kit. This thing not so much, but the Abacus or Four Play are straight plagiarism.
I have no advice for anyone as far as whether it's ethical to buy from them, but you can't deny that there is a downside.
@@GeorgeLocke Im in a similar frame of mind
I used to dismiss Behringer outright, because of these issues, and they didn't really bring anything out into the world that didnt exist
the Korg Arp and the Moog mini modulars were cheap enough to not be tempted by Behringer clones, with all the issues that entails (and the horrible QC i remember from my younger days)
and for every Deepmind, there are enough alternatives from smaller companies
yes, Behringer is dirt cheap (economy of scale) - but at what price, that is still the only question
Behringer doesnt show me that synths are overpriced, it shows me that maybe we want too much (everything at once) and this way of life is untenable
I would however, consider a B synth, if it was a clone of a vintage synth that is either not currently reissued or produced by a different company with actual ties to the community (investing in R+D)
the Cat is too similar to the odyssey, the pro1 cuts into sales of other Sequential products, so on
their practice of flooding the gearspace with announcements that may or may not see the light, is still jarring, seeing as it ruins the anticipation for the products of the competition, putting off potential buyers who might save up for a decent musical instrument they might have a lifelong relationship with, exploring it, really learning it, one investment instead of three similar impulse buys
Besides Plaits, it’s worth noting that Grind follows the path of Arturia’s Microfreak which includes some Plaits algorithms in a desktop synth, but with a keyboard and a mod matrix instead of a patch bay. I’m sure their market research looked closely at that precedent. It’s nice that they choose to take their version in a different direction to provide an alternative that differentiates on more than just price.
behringer are fine. A new product based on an open source product... brilliant. This is fine.
I agree with you!
We did not talk about the synth titled
Now we can talk here 🙂
From what I can tell, the Crave is a Moog Mother 32 clone. The Grind adds Brains/Plaits. What I really like is the patch bay in the upper left, where the oscillator controls can be modulated by my other synths. It looks like they'll be adding additional VCO emulations in the future with firmware updates, which I think will be really cool. Behringer is both making products people want and updating them like with the Crave, Pro-1, RD-6, etc. I'm having fun with their products, but I can see why they are disliked.
I think they're doing everything right. It's easy to be negative, but actually they're doing a good job!
Nice eyes, instant subscribe) The behringer is really sweet that one
Hahaha. Behringer is evil 👿??? Donner makes tb303 clone and now coming soon Donner SH101 clone. So, alot of clones out there. Maybe haters mad that Behringer makes the most clones.
Ummm ummm ummm jfc