Q231, The Idea Behind The Integral Test

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  • Опубликовано: 14 дек 2024

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  • @drpeyam
    @drpeyam 5 лет назад +55

    It’s an integral part to our understanding 🙂

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  • @keehuonglai626
    @keehuonglai626 5 лет назад +13

    Brilliant explanation with useful figures that aid visualisation. Thank you.

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    @wenhanzhou5826 5 лет назад +15

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    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  5 лет назад

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  • @stevebijujohn5153
    @stevebijujohn5153 5 лет назад +1

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    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  5 лет назад +1

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  • @AlgyCuber
    @AlgyCuber 5 лет назад +29

    who would win?
    p-series vs t-series

    • @Foxxey
      @Foxxey 5 лет назад +11

      The infinite series xD

  • @alexdemoura9972
    @alexdemoura9972 5 лет назад +10

    I like it, very well explained. Alternatively, in the second series we could add the "finite" 1 in both sides of inequality, since:
    1/(1^3) = 1 , so
    Sum[n=1 to inf] 1/(n^3) < 1.5 , it converges.

    • @alexdemoura9972
      @alexdemoura9972 5 лет назад +1

      Now, a bit further, if we use same inequality of first series, we could get:
      Sum[n=1 to inf] 1/(n^3) > 0.5
      The convergence value (Cv) of second series would be in a interval such as:
      0.5 < Cv < 1.5
      Since the second series already has 1 on the first term, and all other terms are positive, we could reduce the interval such as:
      1 < Cv < 1.5
      The arithmetic mean would lead us to:
      Cv ~ 1.25
      Geometric mean: Cv ~ 1.225
      and Harmonic mean: Cv ~ 1.2
      The Harmonic mean involves the Harmonic series of values, maybe we can have faith on this one, using the calculator for the first ten terms (n=1 to 10) we got 1.19753... with a slow increment rate (

    • @alexdemoura9972
      @alexdemoura9972 5 лет назад +1

      Yes, we can try Weighted mean for the sake of curiosity, using the differences of area of the first rectangle [x=1 to 2] from Integral ("exact") area. Proposal: use the differences of areas in a Weighted mean in such a way that the area with less difference has more weight.
      Integral area (Ai): -1/(2.x^2) ]1 to 2 = (-1/8) - (-1/2) = 3/8 = 0.375
      "Under curve" area (Au): 1 × 1/(2^3) = 1/8 = 0.125 ... Ai - Au = 0.25
      "Over curve" area (Ao): 1 × 1/(1^3) = 1/1 = 1 ... Ao - Ai = 0.625
      Meaning the "under curve" area Au is more approximate to the Integral area Ai than "over curve" area Ao.
      Then, in the case of the second series, the convergence value Cv would be better approximated by a lower value in the interval, the weighted average would be:
      Cv ~ Wm = (0.625×1 + 0.25×1.5) / (0.625 + 0.25) ~ 1.143
      Hmmm.. not quite as we could expect maybe because just the first rectangle was used as weight despite the fact it has the most evident difference. Can we assume that for series involving 1/(n^p) the Harmonic mean of two Integral tests is the best way to find an approximated convergence value?

  • @oc0b
    @oc0b 4 года назад

    Concise and informative. The best resource on the why AND the how I've come across. Thank you!

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    @user-us4ws9px2s 5 лет назад +4

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  • @MichaelCMartinez
    @MichaelCMartinez 2 года назад

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    @MrMariuslestat 2 года назад

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  • @adilsonfranciscoquissai3888
    @adilsonfranciscoquissai3888 5 лет назад

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    @easyntoughmath9566 5 лет назад +1

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    @Supremer_2 5 лет назад +6

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    @lounesbenali4889 2 года назад

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  • @mohammedahmad837
    @mohammedahmad837 5 лет назад

    Very nice explaination

  • @cameronspalding9792
    @cameronspalding9792 5 лет назад +1

    You can use this integral test to determine how fast a series either goes off to infinity or how fast it converges

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    @1000ggyy 5 лет назад +1

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  • @BigDBrian
    @BigDBrian 5 лет назад +2

    technically if the first term is infinite then you can't conclude just from its corresponding integral that the series is convergent

  • @Morgow1
    @Morgow1 5 лет назад

    I actually understood this video! I can't believe it!

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    @yassinesamu2405 5 лет назад

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  • @lordlix6483
    @lordlix6483 5 лет назад +2

    Great video! :D

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    @bhuvird178 5 лет назад +2

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  • @amymsims
    @amymsims 3 года назад

    fantastic, thank you

  • @helloitsme7553
    @helloitsme7553 5 лет назад +3

    My method for the first one: comparing to the harmonic series, concluding every term is bigger or equal to the term in the harmonic series, thus the series is bigger than the harmonic series and it diverges

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  5 лет назад +1

      HelloItsMe
      Yea. Comparison test!

    • @lelouch1722
      @lelouch1722 5 лет назад +1

      And you usually shows that the harmonic series diverges thanks to an integral so its the same thing in fact :p

    • @helloitsme7553
      @helloitsme7553 5 лет назад +1

      @@lelouch1722 I do it with 1+1/2+1/4+1/4+1/8+1/8+1/8+1/8....

    • @angelmendez-rivera351
      @angelmendez-rivera351 5 лет назад

      HelloItsMe But this video is about why the integral test works, not about why 1/sqrt(n) diverges.

    • @helloitsme7553
      @helloitsme7553 5 лет назад

      @@angelmendez-rivera351 that is true indeed

  • @Katzenkratscher
    @Katzenkratscher 5 лет назад

    The f(x) does not have to be a decreasing one. You can show that S(n) = 1+2+3.. diverges while the corresponding f(x) increases. Take f(x) = x-1. Int f(x) = (x^2/2)-x = x(x/2 -1). This gives positive infinity. S(n) is certainly not -1/12.

  • @edmund3504
    @edmund3504 5 лет назад +1

    as a high school senior that is done with school, part of my brain wants to keep learning so I don't forget everything when I get to college in the fall, and the other part of my brain makes me wanna run away from anything having to do with math.

  • @lorenzolevy4708
    @lorenzolevy4708 5 лет назад

    Amazing!

  • @rhversity5965
    @rhversity5965 5 лет назад +1

    Can you evaluate more infinite sums

  • @mokouf3
    @mokouf3 5 лет назад +2

    Oh my god, I just used integral test (Riemann Sum) to solve the challenging problem 93 posted by @LetsSolveMathProblems , and I see this video right after that!

  • @ladasodaexplains3355
    @ladasodaexplains3355 5 лет назад

    wow learned something new today

  • @mrjnutube
    @mrjnutube 5 лет назад +1

    Say, couldn't you use the same argument in the first case (1/(sqrt n)) such that n=2 to infinity?

  • @ajitfhamacademy
    @ajitfhamacademy 5 лет назад

    Really good . Thank you

  • @VibingMath
    @VibingMath 5 лет назад +3

    First comment: Clear and concise!

  • @megalino6506
    @megalino6506 5 лет назад +2

    why must it be decreasing? Can't you apply the same idea to an increasing function (that maybe asymptotes to a finite value)

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  5 лет назад +1

      In that case it would be divergent anyway. Remember we need a_n to approach 0 in order to even have a chance of Sum(a_n) to be convergent.

    • @megalino6506
      @megalino6506 5 лет назад +1

      @@blackpenredpen uh I see, thanks!

    • @meissmart6678
      @meissmart6678 5 лет назад

      *blackpenredpen* What if it increases to 0?

  • @zlatanibrahimovicisbettert7980
    @zlatanibrahimovicisbettert7980 4 года назад

    How do i know whether the rectangles will be under the curve or below the curve. The drawing of the curve was random then the rectangles seem to be either over them or below them, what am I getting wrong?

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    @sayanaimash1280 3 года назад

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  • @5hadowAJ
    @5hadowAJ 5 лет назад

    Nice video!

  • @tcmeme5693
    @tcmeme5693 2 года назад

    could you also prove 1/n^3 converges even with left end point rectangles if you first proved 1/n^2 converges?

  • @filminrealtime1119
    @filminrealtime1119 5 лет назад

    Hey! I'm starting math videos on my channel? Any tips? Should I use a camera and a whiteboard at the uni? Or do I use my surface and microphone?

  • @vighnesh153
    @vighnesh153 5 лет назад +1

    Hey, if F(x) is integral of f(x), then why does area under the curve, f(x), from a to b equals F(b) - F(a)? Can you please make a video on that?

  • @sonudas5595
    @sonudas5595 5 лет назад

    Hey will you please tell why the continuity is always needed?
    Btw great video😀

    • @Rapher1996
      @Rapher1996 5 лет назад +1

      The short answer is: You DON'T need it.
      I think the reason why many textbooks include it is to make sure that f is actually integrable on bounded intervals. However, this is not necessary since decreasing (not necessarily continuous) functions are already integrable on bounded intervals.

  • @shayanmoosavi9139
    @shayanmoosavi9139 5 лет назад

    I got the continuous and decreasing part but why should it be positive? Can't we draw the rectangles under the x-axis?
    For example f(x)=-1/x^2

    • @jallercarlos
      @jallercarlos 5 лет назад

      That’s because in that case the result would be a negative area both in the integral and in the sum

  • @RonaldoEuSi
    @RonaldoEuSi 5 лет назад

    great keep the videos up

  • @inku.1593
    @inku.1593 5 лет назад

    Thank you
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  • @solidwaterslayer
    @solidwaterslayer 5 лет назад

    woulda been really useful for that one calc test two weeks ago

  • @jjeherrera
    @jjeherrera 5 лет назад

    Now you're in this you could make a video about Stirling's approximation.

  • @trace8617
    @trace8617 5 лет назад

    hey bprp! can you do a video explaining
    the limit x-> -inf of ((sqrt(x+1)-sqrt(1-x))/x
    there’s a complex argument involved, and i dont know how to conceptually understand i times infinity

    • @angelmendez-rivera351
      @angelmendez-rivera351 5 лет назад

      trace williams This is not a meaningful question.

    • @trace8617
      @trace8617 5 лет назад

      @@angelmendez-rivera351 what do you mean by meaningful?

    • @angelmendez-rivera351
      @angelmendez-rivera351 5 лет назад

      The question does not make sense. If you are taking a calculus II course, and the professor assigns the question, then the professor is making a fundamental mistake, because the expression does not mean anything. You need complex analysis to be able to work with a question that uses functions from the set of reals to the set of complex numbers, and then notate it properly. You also need topology, since you need to specify a topology for the complex plane. Are we using Alexandroff compactification to give the complex plane a projective topology? Are we giving it a torus topology? Or are we using affine topology? The answer to this matters, because as you said in your comment, you do not know how to work with i♾, and the reason you do not how to do it is because there genuinely is no unambiguous way to do it without first specifying the topology, since again, the topology determines the answer. The question, on a fundamental level, makes no sense for that reason.

    • @trace8617
      @trace8617 5 лет назад

      @@angelmendez-rivera351 well, nice. now i know more. i would have much preferred if you answered with that to begin with instead of condescendingly saying my question was meaningless. i think it's important to ask questions even if they seem stupid, because now i can go research more about what you mean and deepen my understanding of my question

    • @angelmendez-rivera351
      @angelmendez-rivera351 5 лет назад

      trace williams You're putting words in my mouth. I was never condescending, and I never said your question was stupid. I don't appreciate that you're pulling these false accusations out of your ass for no reason. If you want to have an excuse to be mad at me, I can give it to you now, because now I'm disappointed, but you had genuinely no reason to assume I was being condescending. "This question is meaningless" is just another phrasing of "this question makes no sense", except the former is a bit more precise. You asked for an elaboration, I elaborated. What is your problem?

  • @JeremyGluckStuff
    @JeremyGluckStuff 5 лет назад

    谢谢!

  • @parthvyas8407
    @parthvyas8407 5 лет назад +1

    Hey, can you try to Integrate f(x) = tanx/cos(lnx)

  • @rodbhar6522
    @rodbhar6522 5 лет назад

    "Isn't it" is back. I missed it :)

  • @commentah222
    @commentah222 5 лет назад

    Ok they equal to infinity. What about partial sum of this kind of series?

  • @pranjaldas1762
    @pranjaldas1762 5 лет назад

    It was helpful

  • @raygunito546
    @raygunito546 5 лет назад

    You forgot to put " [ " on the primitive line such as at 6:15 with " [2 sqrt(x)] 1 -> positive infinit

    • @angelmendez-rivera351
      @angelmendez-rivera351 5 лет назад

      Raygun Nito No, actually, one does not write it. That is the convention. We are not bracketing the expression

    • @raygunito546
      @raygunito546 5 лет назад

      @@angelmendez-rivera351 ok i see, because i learnt with bracketting the expression.

  • @najebhassan227
    @najebhassan227 5 лет назад

    Good

  • @0e305
    @0e305 5 лет назад

    Is it zeta function?)

  • @ShaolinMonkster
    @ShaolinMonkster 5 лет назад

    Thanks. Where are you from? China?

  • @nombreusering7979
    @nombreusering7979 5 лет назад

    But xan you integral test a multiplication of two sums?

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  • @raichu56k
    @raichu56k 5 лет назад

    calc 2 final soon :((((

  • @TheNachoesuncapo
    @TheNachoesuncapo 5 лет назад

    Also you know that the Zeta function converges only if the absolute value of s is greater than one,however don't put that in a test

    • @angelmendez-rivera351
      @angelmendez-rivera351 5 лет назад

      Nacho That only works if the function you are adding is n^(-s). It does not work for any other type of function.

  • @Tony29103
    @Tony29103 5 лет назад

    Aren't you making this 10x harder then needed. Wouldn't the P series test work on both?

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    @gourabghosh5574 5 лет назад +2

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  • @thebloxxer22
    @thebloxxer22 5 лет назад

    Uhhh, you could've simplified 1/sqrt(1) to 1.

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    @soumyachandrakar9100 5 лет назад

    D' alembert vs Leibniz test...

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    @TrimutiusToo 5 лет назад +1

    You say "take a look of" all the time, but grammatically correct would be "take a look at" in English...

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    @alexisgleznuno7455 5 лет назад

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