KTM 790 / 890 Adventure R Suspension Tips
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- Опубликовано: 21 июл 2019
- We headed to the KTM USA headquarters in Murrieta California to go over some set up tips for the 790 / 890 Adventure & Adventure R. In this video we go over getting the suspension set up for you.
790 First Ride Impressions and Specs: bit.ly/2VKkWfD
Other KTM How To Videos: bit.ly/2howtoKTM
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It's hard to believe that so much useful and instructive information has been given for free. I am grateful to you. Many thanks.
Thank you for uploading this easy to understand tutorial 👍 I have just purchased the 890Adventure R and it is diving too much in the forks under braking, this will help a lot!!
Perfectly explained! Just what I needed!! Thanks!
Thank you for watching and for the comment. Enjoy
All your videos are great tips for setting up all aspects of the 790 - THANKS
Glad they are helpful. Enjoy your bike.
So glad to see Ping do this explanation - this will be very helpful. Thanks.
Glad it was helpful! Thank you for watching.
Thank you for this easy to understand suspension tutorial!🤘🏽
You are welcome. Thank you for watching.
Can't thank you enough for all the specialized set up info on the 790R! I just picked mine up and I'm soaking up all this info like a hungry hippo. Please keep the info coming on this bike! Love it!
Glad this has been helpful. These were the core areas that we wanted to cover right out of the box. As we get more time with it and learn, we will share new content for sure.
@@UPSHIFT_ONLINE Would love to see footage of you guys hitting the dirt with the 790R as well!
We just got one into the shop. Hopefully we can start putting some footage together soon.
Great movie! Very informative and well explained. Thanks :)
Thank you for the kind words. We are glad it was helpful.
Excellent, direct and useful information. First things you should do on any bike!
Thank you Matt. Thank you for watching and commenting.
Thank you very much for this. Just bought a 890 Adventure R and this will be the first thing I do when I pick it up from the dealer. Greetings from Germany
Congrats on the new 890. You will love it. Glad we could help!
Great video. Thank you!!
Thank you for watching.
Great tips and explained well.
Glad it was helpful! Thank you for watching.
Greeeeeat video! Very precise and technical but yet easy
Glad it was helpful. Thank you for watching.
Great Video, thanks!
Thank you for watching.
Great vid, thanks!
Thank you for watching. Glad it was helpful.
great easy basic 101 thank you guys
Glad it was helpful. Thank you for watching.
Thanks!
very nice explanation for this set up. I HAVE THE SAME ABILITY ON MY 300 XC W. i WAS GOING TO BUY THE ADEVNTURE S AFTER SEEING THIS VIDEO i'M GETTING THE 790 R.
JL Jones Did you end up getting the 790?
There's a sticker under the seat the same that is in your set up manual that gives you KTMs settings for different ride situations cheers and thanks for the great video
Excellent point. We always forget about that since we almost always switch out to a Seat Concepts seat. But yes, that is an excellent reference and something we should have pointed out in this video. Thank you for watching.
Very good information, too many people doesn't setup the bike to work for them.
Putting some time into and trying some different combinations to see what works best for you is key to a bike working correctly.
Where are you measuring the sag to? is it the top of the axle bolt ,centre of axle,bottom of axle? thanks
Just picked up 23 890r Ty very much
Congrats on the new ride. Enjoy it.
Is it mandatory to go same amount of clicks at each bottle ? Thanks and great vid
The R model is only $1k more than the regular model. The R comes with an excellent manual with some predefined settings "Comfort", "Standard", "Sport" , etc.
Definitely set the sag immediately (although I thought it was 30% of 240mm or 72mm of sag). I'd advise leaving Hi Speed compression on standard and play with the other settings first.
I have a 29" inseam too - there are no easy options to lower the bike. The low seat only drops the height by 10mm - not worth the money. However, it is so well balanced, that getting a foot down isn't too bad. You just have to pick your stopping spots more carefully in the dirt.
If you plan to ride in the dirt, this will embarrass a Tiger 800. The Tiger is top heavy and this bike is 'low heavy'. I've owned 3 Triumphs and loved all of them, but this is the real deal for dirt use and will be much, much easier for a short guy to ride offroad.
Solid Performance, Super Plush, etc., will be able to help you if you have to have both feet on the ground. I love this bike - you won't regret it. Cheers
I don't plan to put a deposit on any brand or model that I have not test ridden first .. I am surprised the Indian FTR-1200's are available to test ride now .. Maybe not many options for luggage.. KTM 790 and Yamaha 700 Tenere are still a myth in the USA..
My thinking is that the KTM with the low gas tank my have a much lower center of gravity ...
I don't like the idea of having to pay 60 cents per gallon extra for premium gas for these performance models.. Too bad they don't have two fuel modes one for regular and one for Premium
@@mikeskidmore6754 I live in the USA and the one in my garage with 1800 miles on it isn't a myth. KTM is emphasizing that the low gas tank will give a lower center of gravity and a better balance point. A test ride is always the best option. I rolled the dice and got lucky. Cheers
@@FanOWater Oh I stopped paying attention a few months ago .. I thought they would not be in the USA until next Summer.. for the 790 Adventure - R
@@mikeskidmore6754 Both models became available at the same time, but I think most R versions were sold as pre-orders. Mine is an R and I love it.
Where are you measuring the sag difference? From the rear seat to the floor?
Thanks for the cool vid. Very informative and direct. Approximately how many miles does it take to "break in" this suspension? Thx
Around 1500 miles for us to really notice the suspension settle in and allow us to dial it in.
Hi I need some help with the front end preload setting, i lift the front end in order to move the preload knob, but this knob moves with clicks or just turning the knob until it reach the position that i need?
because when i try to turn the knob its like it just fits in some positions, not so easy to adjust.
Thks.
You are welcome!
Great explanation, the shock pre-load face nut had me confused. Do you turn the hex screw or use a specific two dimple wrench on outer nut? Thanks for starting from the start (suspension setup 101) and then the finer damping tuning functions. Cheers!
Inner hex screw of course (look carefully 1:30 )
Thank you very much, just curious if you also have a tips video for 690?
Not specifically, but you can take what is said here and apply it to the 690 as well.
@@UPSHIFT_ONLINE ok I will give a try, thanks
Hi, I recently upgraded my shock to the xplor pro. It was preset for my weight but I'd like to know more about fine tuning compression and rebound. Can you find a 790 r rally and go over the settings for your subscribers?
We can add it to our list. The principles are still the same though. And the manual that should have come with the suspension should have some pretty detailed information on it in the meantime.
Could you do one on explaining the different Riding modes and Rally options? It's all a bit unclear.
Thanks for the input. We will add it to our list of topics and see what we can do.
Hello I just bought the 890 adventure R and I'm only 5'9" at 140 . So I'm tip toeing at a stop would lowering the sag in the rear mor then the 85 to 90 rang help without hindering the performance?
It really would not help enough. By the time you adjusted enough to have a noticeable change in stand over height your suspension performance would suffer greatly. You would get more from a Seat Concepts Comfort LOW seat. I'm 5'8" and I have just had to learn how to hang off one side or the other. I don't even think about it anymore. The Africa Twin is even taller etc.
Where should the compression and rebound settings be on the shock when you set the sag?
Sag won't be affected by compression and rebound. But sag should be checked somewhat regularly as springs do break in and things can move around a bit.
Hi David, excellent vid, as usual for Upshift Online! Just one doube, considering that usually rear rider sag is around 1/3 (30-33%) of rear susp travel, and the 790R has 340mm of travel, gives a figure of 72-79mm of rear rider sag...you suggest 85-90mm ... what do you think?
On the MTB I set sag on the fork and on the shock. Is that possible on the adv bike as well?
You only need to set sag on the shock.
Just bought a 2010 790 Adventure R. I am trying to play with the front end preload but the t-nuts will not budge. Is there some trick to this. The manual says the bike need to be up on a front stand and to take of the fender but this seems illogical that it would make any difference. Thanks for any advice.
The "t-nuts"? Are you referring to the adjustment dials at the top of the forks? Not knowing exactly what you are experiencing, we highly recommend swinging by your local KTM dealer and simply asking one fo the staffers if they can help you really quickly.
Going to have to get a tatslotto ticket tomorrow.
Hi. How can I measure Sock travel? I have a KTM ADV 890 R. Thank you
It is in the manual which is your go to resource for most technical details. We also spent some time digging into suspension setup in the new issue of Upshift Magazine. bit.ly/2issu72q
Thank you. Have you actually measured the sag on that 790AR? If you have, what weight are you, and what numbers are you getting?
We did back then... but that was years ago. Can not remember where things landed on the 790.
you want to use whole susp travel when off road, you just dont want HARD bottoming out.
How are you arriving at an 85-90 mm sag range for the rear shock? By my calculation it should be 73.5 mm (2.9 inches) which is 30% of the 245mm of shock travel (9.5 inches)
I was trying to get to your 85-90 mm spec before doing the math and going crazy because it's impossible to get there even with ALL the pre-load backed out and 40 lbs of luggage on the tail rack, I weigh 170lbs and I am on a stock spring. Please tell me if I'm missing something here cause that seems waay off
yes, thats the most common mistake, trying to "force" suspension to 30% of sag. THESE ARAE NOT ENDURO, DO NOT TRY TO ACHIEVE 30% SAG, adv bikes have widely different sag numbers from 20% to over 50%, set it according to manual, and see what sag numbers are get by 80kg~ riders on stock preload settings, thats your target sag
How much fork SAG (race sag) you recommend?
Can't remember the exact numbers, but we followed the owner manual to the T.
Can you drop the forks in the triples to stretch the bike out a little for stability while desert riding?
Yes... within reason. the 790/890 triple clamps are very much like a dirtbike.
@@UPSHIFT_ONLINE thank you for the great info you put out there!
I have crashed 2 dozen times lol adjust it right when you get it....tirebpressure and suspension i weigh 140 with full gear yeh lol im light so the front was hitting and deflecting on roots made for some scary crashes that werent my fau lt went home and realized this bike is set up for about a 2oo lb person stock and 40 psi in the tires so its imlortant to ride it and see wha its doing just dont take it up a 12oo foot mountain for the first offroad ride lol good luck
Do you have a video like this for the KTM 690 SMC R ?
Not specifically. But it is pretty much the same thing.
Hi. I want to upgrade my S model. Would it make sense to keep 200 mm travel or would you increase to 240? Which are the main drivig feeling differences between S and R? Thanks
It really depends on what you need. If you are riding offroad a fair amount, more ground clearance is a good thing.
Did you actually measure the sag on that bike?
KTM state that it should be 25/80mm (static/rider) with a 75-85kg rider. There is no way you can get that sag with the OE spring.
I've always heard rider SAG should be around 30% of total suspension travel... Which on a 240mm rear suspension is around 72mm.
May I ask you where your suggestion of 85-90mm comes from?
Don't want to sound polemic. That's not my native language... Just curious as I'm trying to learn as much as I can on this bike! :)
That was KTM's recommended sag for the 790. 30% might be a reasonable "rule of thumb" but we rely on the manufacturers recommendation.
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God I've eaten the manual and never seen that measure! Will surely give it a try!
@@UPSHIFT_ONLINE It's not possible to get to 90mm unless you weigh waaaay more than what the stock weight range is stated. 72mm is what people should be striving for. Something is waay off with what your'e recommending
Up to what rider weight can the stock suspension springs handle?
I believe from the empty bike you can add 240 kg or a likeable hair under 530 lb. this includes oils and fuel. Quite a lot and could embarrass larger bikes
@@peterwager6938 Wanted to know at what rider weight (weight of the person riding the 790 R) do the fork and shock springs need to be changed to heavier weight springs .
Mate, you want to be heavy!!
The bike can operate with a load of 240 Kg or if you prefer 530Lb. That is the max safe operating load.
I guess the springs would be struggling at that load.
If you were a large man at 95Kg or about 210Lb, the bike can operate with two of you, fuel and half your weight in luggage.
Enough
@@peterwager6938 1'm 190 cm/108 kg without gear. Respring all my bikes for correct sag numbers and offroad performance. Max safe operating load and correctly sprung suspension are 2 different things. Where did you find the 240 kg specs for the 790?
At the launch at Factory 51 in Brisbane from KTM AU
You are probably are talking about 85-90 cm, not mm?
Yes Learn how to adjust the suspension as you paid at least $2,000 more for these features..
What can some one who is 5'4" with 29" inseam do to make the seat height lower..? I want a KTM 790 Adventure R but not too excited about waiting until they are made in China to buy one in the USA..
Maybe I will have to look at the Triumph 800 Tiger Sport again ..
Any reputable suspension house will be able to lower the suspension properly without sacrificing too much on the geometry side of things. Of course ground clearance will take a hit, but that's just part of the deal.
You said Orifice........
Hahahahaha... yep
can you reply to my comment, thanks