There is a movie about the Waltzing Journeymen by the much lauded brothers Dominik and Benjamin Reding, it's called FÜR DEN UNBEKANNTEN HUND from 2007. Worth watching, I recommend it. Another, much older film about this tradition is SPUR DER STEINE from 1966, produced in the former GDR - the ruling SED party then forbid it, but it, too, became sort of an iconic movie.
Our local newspaper had an article about a journeyman last week. He came back after 6 years of travelling, including Australia and the US. He was welcomed by half of the city with a welcome party. Btw. Sibiu was a german settlement in Romania (Hermannstadt) for several centuries. The Germans left after ww2. "he became free" yes, the ceremony actually is called "Freisprechung" literally "declaring free" or free to work on his own.
@2:20 The gentleman speaks about "Lehrlinge" = apprentices. @2:41ff re "nailtree" tradition: He particularly mentions the one in Vienna, Austria. This refers to the famous Viennese STOCK-IM-EISEN, only a couple of meters away from the STEPHANSDOM, in the very heart of Vienna. More information plus photo @en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_im_Eisen (in English, mind you!) BTW: To be on the road (as a journeyman) = auf der Walz sein (not to be confused with the dance Walzer (English: waltz))
Knowledge of old crafts is valued and is required, for example, for renovations, repairs (see Cologne Cathedral construction works) or for reconstructions such as the Guédelon castle in France.
My grandfahther was a miller and on the Waltz in the late 20s of the last century. His Waltz took him from the very north of Germany to Hungary and Austria.
I was surprised to see two German journeymen walking along the street in Sydney about 10 years ago. Recognised by their distinctive black and white clothing.
Until today, when you have finished jour apprenticeship, you were spoken free, to become a journeyman. Some (Gesellen), journeyman, go to do the walz. But, most stay at home to work.Until about 35 to 40 years ago, if you wanted to become a master craftsman, you had to do the walz. Today it is not longer mandatory, but it is welcome you did your journey! I am a Mastercraftsman myself, but in my craft, there was never a Walz implemented.
Interesting that this video was filmed in Sibiu (Romania) aka Hermannstadt, the capital of Siebenbürgen which was a large area with German settlers (until the end of WW2).
The problem with translating the job title is that in modern English there is no difference between a "Tischler" and a "Zimmermann"... both are translated as "Carpenter" one is basicly a furniture maker, that biuld things you need IN the House the other more of a roofer, who builds the walls , doors windows and so on to build the hous!e. In the "Middle Ages" there were not only "guild houses" in which rules and laws were drawn up but also disputes were resolved. The "guild clothing" was also determined there. Each profession had its own clothing that could be recognized by it. They also had their own assigned city districts where they were allowed to live and work. And the aprentisment was only "recognized" when one had finished one's "wandering period" as a journeyman. This was there to learn from others what one's own master could not teach one. nowadays it is still legally recognized by the state because the Journeymen do not have their own permanent address during the time as far as I know you have to "register" at the town hall of the respective city every time, also because of the statutory health insurance
Yes. English is the simpliest language on earth. I mean, what's the difference between 'Burgen' und 'Schlößer' or even better 'Warum, wieso, weshalb, weswegen, darum, deshalb, deswegen'
The Tischler translated literally would be the "table maker". Whereas the Zimmermann would be the "room man". From these two translations you get the general jist what they do. One builds the wooden furniture for inside the house like chairs, tables, cupboards, wardrobes, cabinets, etc. The other creates every wooden object that makes up the framework of a house like the half-timber frames, roof structures, door and window frames, the doors themselves, window shutters, etc.
@@RustyDust101 I said "THERE is no translation in modern English!!!" that should actually be "lumber man" and not carpenter but in English that means "lumberjack" The term, like Zimmer, is derived from Middle High German zimber and Old High German zimbar, which means "lumber" and from that "construction". The original meaning "lumber" (Germanic *timbra-) has been preserved in English timber and Swedish timmer, for example. That's why "roommaker" doesn't make sense
It starts with the first gothic cathedrals which were built in France.. Every City in Germany,Italy,Spain ,France, Austria ( all catholic countries) wanted one but to build them complete new technologie and evolvement of craftmanship was needed. So the guilds and brotherhoods startet to send out their apprendices to get that knowledge. And so it is until today. In every German City you will find a house of the " Kolping Community" which is a hostal for these journeymen ( and women. Every major in every village is obliged to give them food and shelter if there is no work or master who can provide that.
German labour-market laws are strict. We do not like that "hire today and fire tomorrow" practise. That means that you need a good reason to end the contract with a worker and your employee, as well, can not leave either from one day to the next. But these regulations are suspended for travelling skilled workers. He (or she) might knock at your door and ask for work for a few days or even a few weeks. Then you have an additional hand for some time. He or she may get some experience at your firm and then leave. Journey(wo)men are not regarded as tramps. And when they enter a pub they may pass their hat around, asking for food and drink and a bed for the night. Homeless people on the other hand need to be registered with local authorities when they sit in the street as beggars.
There is a movie about the Waltzing Journeymen by the much lauded brothers Dominik and Benjamin Reding, it's called FÜR DEN UNBEKANNTEN HUND from 2007. Worth watching, I recommend it.
Another, much older film about this tradition is SPUR DER STEINE from 1966, produced in the former GDR - the ruling SED party then forbid it, but it, too, became sort of an iconic movie.
Our local newspaper had an article about a journeyman last week. He came back after 6 years of travelling, including Australia and the US. He was welcomed by half of the city with a welcome party.
Btw. Sibiu was a german settlement in Romania (Hermannstadt) for several centuries. The Germans left after ww2.
"he became free" yes, the ceremony actually is called "Freisprechung" literally "declaring free" or free to work on his own.
if i'm not mistaken, this "declared free" also applies to stonemasons, which is where (at least historically) "free mason" comes from.
That's the difference to a factory job. It's not speed that counts, but accuracy and no mistakes!
@2:20 The gentleman speaks about "Lehrlinge" = apprentices. @2:41ff re "nailtree" tradition: He particularly mentions the one in Vienna, Austria. This refers to the famous Viennese STOCK-IM-EISEN, only a couple of meters away from the STEPHANSDOM, in the very heart of Vienna. More information plus photo @en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_im_Eisen (in English, mind you!)
BTW: To be on the road (as a journeyman) = auf der Walz sein (not to be confused with the dance Walzer (English: waltz))
Knowledge of old crafts is valued and is required, for example, for renovations, repairs (see Cologne Cathedral construction works) or for reconstructions such as the Guédelon castle in France.
My grandfahther was a miller and on the Waltz in the late 20s of the last century. His Waltz took him from the very north of Germany to Hungary and Austria.
I was surprised to see two German journeymen walking along the street in Sydney about 10 years ago.
Recognised by their distinctive black and white clothing.
Until today, when you have finished jour apprenticeship, you were spoken free, to become a journeyman. Some (Gesellen), journeyman, go to do the walz. But, most stay at home to work.Until about 35 to 40 years ago, if you wanted to become a master craftsman, you had to do the walz. Today it is not longer mandatory, but it is welcome you did your journey! I am a Mastercraftsman myself, but in my craft, there was never a Walz implemented.
Interesting that this video was filmed in Sibiu (Romania) aka Hermannstadt, the capital of Siebenbürgen which was a large area with German settlers (until the end of WW2).
The problem with translating the job title is that in modern English there is no difference between a "Tischler" and a "Zimmermann"... both are translated as "Carpenter"
one is basicly a furniture maker, that biuld things you need IN the House
the other more of a roofer, who builds the walls , doors windows and so on to build the hous!e.
In the "Middle Ages" there were not only "guild houses" in which rules and laws were drawn up but also disputes were resolved. The "guild clothing" was also determined there. Each profession had its own clothing that could be recognized by it. They also had their own assigned city districts where they were allowed to live and work. And the aprentisment was only "recognized" when one had finished one's "wandering period" as a journeyman. This was there to learn from others what one's own master could not teach one.
nowadays it is still legally recognized by the state because the Journeymen do not have their own permanent address during the time
as far as I know you have to "register" at the town hall of the respective city every time, also because of the statutory health insurance
Yes. English is the simpliest language on earth. I mean, what's the difference between 'Burgen' und 'Schlößer' or even better 'Warum, wieso, weshalb, weswegen, darum, deshalb, deswegen'
The Tischler translated literally would be the "table maker".
Whereas the Zimmermann would be the "room man".
From these two translations you get the general jist what they do.
One builds the wooden furniture for inside the house like chairs, tables, cupboards, wardrobes, cabinets, etc.
The other creates every wooden object that makes up the framework of a house like the half-timber frames, roof structures, door and window frames, the doors themselves, window shutters, etc.
@@RustyDust101 I said "THERE is no translation in modern English!!!"
that should actually be "lumber man" and not carpenter
but in English that means "lumberjack"
The term, like Zimmer, is derived from Middle High German zimber and Old High German zimbar, which means "lumber" and from that "construction". The original meaning "lumber" (Germanic *timbra-) has been preserved in English timber and Swedish timmer, for example.
That's why "roommaker" doesn't make sense
It starts with the first gothic cathedrals which were built in France.. Every City in Germany,Italy,Spain ,France, Austria ( all catholic countries) wanted one but to
build them complete new technologie and evolvement of craftmanship was needed. So the guilds and brotherhoods startet to send out their apprendices to get that knowledge.
And so it is until today. In every German City you will find a house of the " Kolping Community" which is a hostal for these journeymen ( and women. Every major in every village is obliged to give them food and shelter if there is no work or master who can provide that.
The bag (formed from a cloth) where they put all their belongings into in the time they are on the waltz is called Mathilda.... - sounds familiar?
Walzing Mathilda - Australians should know.
German labour-market laws are strict. We do not like that "hire today and fire tomorrow" practise. That means that you need a good reason to end the contract with a worker and your employee, as well, can not leave either from one day to the next. But these regulations are suspended for travelling skilled workers. He (or she) might knock at your door and ask for work for a few days or even a few weeks. Then you have an additional hand for some time. He or she may get some experience at your firm and then leave. Journey(wo)men are not regarded as tramps. And when they enter a pub they may pass their hat around, asking for food and drink and a bed for the night. Homeless people on the other hand need to be registered with local authorities when they sit in the street as beggars.