We do not use a t-test for a one-sample test for proportion. We use the z distribution. I teach undergraduate and graduate statistics and have reviewed a dozen statistics textbooks and with 99% confidence, claim that we do not use the Student's t-distribution when testing a proportion. From the Stats Stackexchange: "The reason you can use a z-test with proportion data is because the standard deviation of a proportion is a function of the proportion itself. Thus, once you have estimated the proportion in your sample, you don't have an extra source of uncertainty that you have to take into account." Z distribution doesn't ask for sample size to determine the critical value, whereas t distribution does. However, as sample size gets large, z and t converge until t = z. For example, the sample size of 1000 would have no difference between z and t values.
The z-test for proportions is DERIVED from the binomial distribution under the assumption of a large sample size. The key idea behind this test is based on the Central Limit Theorem, which states that the distribution of the sample mean of a large enough sample will be approximately normally distributed, regardless of the shape of the underlying population distribution. hence you use z-test with proportion data
I took the data analytics course on Coursera and they also taught to use only a z-test for proportions. Rushed to the comments for confirmation so thank you lol
There is nothing wrong with the 1-sample z test. It produces the correct answers as long as you have the population parameters. But because we rarely have the population parameters we don't use it. Its not inherently flawed as implied by the host of the video. It's pretty easy to explain why it isn't used very often, like I just did. Otherwise, great video.
I was going to say the same thing. In addition, when the sample is greater than 30, both tests are pretty much the same. For the Chi-square, he should have said that each "bin" needs to have more than five observations. Two of them were below five.
@@Canuck1000do you know the difference of 2 sample t-test proportion vs chi squared? I feel they are quite interchangeable, like the depression example he mentioned. Can it be used for chi-squared as well?
@@claireli5044 The issue that is discussed here is the z-test vs t-test (population vs sample). The z-test is valid if we know the information about the entire population, but is very difficult to obtain as Z3r0 said above. It should not be automatically rejected. In the end, if n>30, both tests will give you the same results (if it is a sample still use the t-test though).
@@claireli5044 Hi, isn't the t-test for comparing the means of two or more different continuous variables and the chi-squared test for nominal and/or ordinal variables? If I am not mistaken I don't think they are interchangeable. I would appreciate it if someone can correct my understanding. Thank you.
I am from the university of Jos, Plateau State, Nigeria and l have never learned well during the masters degree statistics classes l took for one year+ but you make it look simple. You are a good communicator and l feel more confident about my statistics knowledge because of you.
Great video! Just wanted to share my 2 cents. We don't use z tests because they require for us to have the population statistics (population mean and standard deviation) to do our analysis whereas in a T-test we just require the sample statistics (sample mean and standard deviation) to go ahead. Since in many cases we are just comparing 2 samples and we might not have the population statistics (especially standard deviation),we use T-tests instead of the z tests. Hope this helps!
Just to add a little more, you dont need the population mean to perform a z-test but you need the population standard deviation (which you never really have in practice). If you needed the population mean, then doing a test for the mean would be beyond pointless
@@raideryvs5595 not sure about this. What about a case where a machine is claimed to produce products of size X and we have to look at a sample's Mean and Std to validate that ? Here we have 'claimed' population mean available to us.
Simply the greatest explanation. I spent hours trying to get the main gist and difference of all these confusing test. This video was the brilliant saver for me. Thank you so much !!!!!
I’m not statistician but I’ve been in the statistics classes at least all three or four you might take during your undergraduate year and when you learn about those particular test they also tell you when you should use them. That’s part of learning about the actual test. I think that’s where we’re having a breakdown in the education process now statistics is more college level but even on a more basic level we might learn how to do math but we don’t learn the principles behind the mathematics you should learn the principles behind the statistics tests then you know when to use them
I’m a mechanical engineer. Of course we took the appropriate statistics and probability class but never saw the real significance until my 5th year of being an engineer and working at GE healthcare. Now I apply the DMAIC approach as much as needed.
You are damn right, buddy! I had such a similar experience, and I believe to many out there! I found that the DMAIC thing of LSS is so interesting. So, you are practising it within the healthcare industry? Wow, that is great!. Maybe we can catch up for more experience sharing...😊
@@joed2444 ohh I see. I should add then that this video really only tells you things to memorize about these topics. If you dive deeper into the mathematics behind every statistical test, you will not need to remember what test to apply in which situation, it will just make sense. Just my two cents if in case you are interested in studying stats.
This was super helpful in so many levels. Not only did you described the tests in detail without hassle but it helped me understand when to use them. Thanks!!
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For whatever distribution shape of population, you take a sample of size >25, the average value (mean) itself is normal distribution, and you use Z-test. For a smaller sample size, we need to consider degree of freedom, then you use t-test.
Here it is.... (love youtube) I figured if I looked long enough...someone will have stumbled on some of the reasons why Z-Tests are still used quite often. Outside of this however...very clear explanations some of which I enjoyed revisiting from my days long past doing this stuff regularly.
Kody, Thank you so much. I have spent days trying to figure out ANOVA versus Chi Square versus T tests and so on, and you made it so easy. I am really grateful --and also a little baffled that so many other sources make it so complex.
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Hello, This lecture has helped me to understand using T and ANOVA Test on categorical variable. Previous my thought was T and ANOVA is used only for MEAN difference.
You use the Z-test when you know something about the population standard deviation. This doesn't happen very often, so the t-test is more common. Saying you should never use it, or that it's "bad" or "dumb" or "unprofessional" is just NOT accurate. It's just more RARELY used. Throwing it out shows a lack of understanding.
Hopefully, I can gain a better understanding of this topic. My 2nd take with Probability and Statistics for my undergraduate degree in Psychology (Science) via Online.
I think proportions are for categorical response or variables and not qualitative as said here, qualitative research itself its so much complicated with thematic or content analysis of codes and quotes, regarding Z and t test I think its about sample size that dictates which one to be used, I stand to be corrected if I am wrong
Theres no such thing as t-test for proportion. As tests involving single and two proportions, which are technically binomial, may only be estimated by a normal distribution (hence, z test), and not by t-distribution.
Thanks so much for sharing the knowledge... for FREE! However, one of my statistics teachers, used to say to me to use t-test for a small sample size i.e., of less than 30 with unknown standard deviation of a population with a normal distribution property. That explanation still holds?
Thank you so much! I wish every statistics class started this way. Getting to look at the bigger picture first and then jumping into details is always a better way to learn things.
You mentioned in 4:40 about t-test for one proportion, which DOES NOT exist because Z-tests for proportions are based on approximation of normal (hence, z) to binomial distribution so it's only z-test for proportion. In times like the sample size is so low in testing a single proportion, then some nonparametric test may be used, like the binomial test.
Z test for proportions T test for means Chi Squared Goodness of Fit for 1 sample with 1 variable to test if it is different for the population (ie test if the distribution of race is different in 1975 population to the 1980 sample) Chi Squared Independence for 1 sample with 2 variables to test if they are independent (ie test if chess and IQ scores are associated) Chi Squared Homogeneity for 2 samples with 1 variables to see if they have the same distribution (ie to test if men and women have the same distribution of living arrangements) T test for slope
everyone in the comments are saying that some tests are 'better' to use than others ( t test is better than z test) but i have always thought that each hypothesis test only had 1 test/method that you could use. do some exam questions have multiple tests that can be done on them to get the same result and if so what tests can be used instead of others. thanks
Besides a couple of mistakes, good explanations! Thanks! You lack theoretical grasp apparently, but you've got great practical understanding of the concepts. I'm not sure the z-test is as biased as you think and, therefore, completely useless. You need to know the parameters of the actual population in order to use it. That's probably why it's less common.
Hi Sir, i need your help. From below info, what you understand. Can you explain to me, pls? Hypothesis i) There is a positive relationship between salary and employee retention - BETA VALUE (-0.379), Pearson Correlation (-0.289) Result : Accepted ii) There is a positive relationship between communication and employee retention - BETA Value (-0.159), Pearson Correlation (0.110), Result (Accepted) iii) There is a positive relationship between job satisfaction and employee retention which impact their decision to stay : BETA Value (-0.115), Pearson Correlation (-0.136), Result (Rejected)
We do not use a t-test for a one-sample test for proportion. We use the z distribution. I teach undergraduate and graduate statistics and have reviewed a dozen statistics textbooks and with 99% confidence, claim that we do not use the Student's t-distribution when testing a proportion. From the Stats Stackexchange: "The reason you can use a z-test with proportion data is because the standard deviation of a proportion is a function of the proportion itself. Thus, once you have estimated the proportion in your sample, you don't have an extra source of uncertainty that you have to take into account." Z distribution doesn't ask for sample size to determine the critical value, whereas t distribution does. However, as sample size gets large, z and t converge until t = z. For example, the sample size of 1000 would have no difference between z and t values.
Thank you for the correction 🙂
The z-test for proportions is DERIVED from the binomial distribution under the assumption of a large sample size. The key idea behind this test is based on the Central Limit Theorem, which states that the distribution of the sample mean of a large enough sample will be approximately normally distributed, regardless of the shape of the underlying population distribution. hence you use z-test with proportion data
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@@beachwave5705that’s such a bananas thing to say to a professor making a correction to a statistics video on RUclips 💀
I took the data analytics course on Coursera and they also taught to use only a z-test for proportions. Rushed to the comments for confirmation so thank you lol
Spent 16 weeks in a graduate level stats class, but learned everything I needed to know in this 20 minute video. Thanks! Super clear.
Came here to say the same thing! lol
yes, agree :)
Those 16 weeks has laid a huge foundation for u to understand this 20' lecture easily though.
Right? I was thinking in class, there has to be a more concise way to explain this stuff.
Given its a year later, you've probably now also learned that none of these tests are relevant any longer.
There is nothing wrong with the 1-sample z test. It produces the correct answers as long as you have the population parameters. But because we rarely have the population parameters we don't use it. Its not inherently flawed as implied by the host of the video. It's pretty easy to explain why it isn't used very often, like I just did. Otherwise, great video.
I was going to say the same thing. In addition, when the sample is greater than 30, both tests are pretty much the same. For the Chi-square, he should have said that each "bin" needs to have more than five observations. Two of them were below five.
@@Canuck1000 he seems to be quite incompetent
@@Canuck1000do you know the difference of 2 sample t-test proportion vs chi squared? I feel they are quite interchangeable, like the depression example he mentioned. Can it be used for chi-squared as well?
@@claireli5044 The issue that is discussed here is the z-test vs t-test (population vs sample). The z-test is valid if we know the information about the entire population, but is very difficult to obtain as Z3r0 said above. It should not be automatically rejected. In the end, if n>30, both tests will give you the same results (if it is a sample still use the t-test though).
@@claireli5044 Hi, isn't the t-test for comparing the means of two or more different continuous variables and the chi-squared test for nominal and/or ordinal variables? If I am not mistaken I don't think they are interchangeable. I would appreciate it if someone can correct my understanding. Thank you.
I am from the university of Jos, Plateau State, Nigeria and l have never learned well during the masters degree statistics classes l took for one year+ but you make it look simple. You are a good communicator and l feel more confident about my statistics knowledge because of you.
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Great video!
Just wanted to share my 2 cents.
We don't use z tests because they require for us to have the population statistics (population mean and standard deviation) to do our analysis whereas in a T-test we just require the sample statistics (sample mean and standard deviation) to go ahead.
Since in many cases we are just comparing 2 samples and we might not have the population statistics (especially standard deviation),we use T-tests instead of the z tests.
Hope this helps!
Just to add a little more, you dont need the population mean to perform a z-test but you need the population standard deviation (which you never really have in practice).
If you needed the population mean, then doing a test for the mean would be beyond pointless
@@raideryvs5595 not sure about this. What about a case where a machine is claimed to produce products of size X and we have to look at a sample's Mean and Std to validate that ? Here we have 'claimed' population mean available to us.
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Simply the greatest explanation. I spent hours trying to get the main gist and difference of all these confusing test. This video was the brilliant saver for me. Thank you so much !!!!!
saved me so much time researching the appropriate technique I should use to test my hypothesis. Glad i watched it
I’m not statistician but I’ve been in the statistics classes at least all three or four you might take during your undergraduate year and when you learn about those particular test they also tell you when you should use them. That’s part of learning about the actual test. I think that’s where we’re having a breakdown in the education process now statistics is more college level but even on a more basic level we might learn how to do math but we don’t learn the principles behind the mathematics you should learn the principles behind the statistics tests then you know when to use them
Woow woow this is the most clear version of understanding which test, when, where and how to use the statistical test. Thank you
I’m a mechanical engineer. Of course we took the appropriate statistics and probability class but never saw the real significance until my 5th year of being an engineer and working at GE healthcare. Now I apply the DMAIC approach as much as needed.
You are damn right, buddy! I had such a similar experience, and I believe to many out there!
I found that the DMAIC thing of LSS is so interesting. So, you are practising it within the healthcare industry? Wow, that is great!.
Maybe we can catch up for more experience sharing...😊
Thank you so much for simplifying the most confusing portion of whole statistics class. You are doing a great job !!!
I’m on a PhD level program with a statistics course and this is incredibly useful sir. You deserve 22 million subscribers!
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no offense but how is any of the information in this video useful to you while doing a phd in statistics? isn't this taught in high school statistics?
@@prithvidhyani2002 Maybe in your high school. Some of us are still learning the basics at the graduate level.
@@joed2444 ohh I see. I should add then that this video really only tells you things to memorize about these topics. If you dive deeper into the mathematics behind every statistical test, you will not need to remember what test to apply in which situation, it will just make sense. Just my two cents if in case you are interested in studying stats.
This was super helpful in so many levels. Not only did you described the tests in detail without hassle but it helped me understand when to use them. Thanks!!
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For whatever distribution shape of population, you take a sample of size >25, the average value (mean) itself is normal distribution, and you use Z-test. For a smaller sample size, we need to consider degree of freedom, then you use t-test.
Here it is.... (love youtube) I figured if I looked long enough...someone will have stumbled on some of the reasons why Z-Tests are still used quite often. Outside of this however...very clear explanations some of which I enjoyed revisiting from my days long past doing this stuff regularly.
Wow. Great introduction. The context is great. But apart from the context, the teaching style is fabulous. Thank you.
Where have you been all my statistics life? WOW!! Just brilliant...thank you so much.
Kody, Thank you so much. I have spent days trying to figure out ANOVA versus Chi Square versus T tests and so on, and you made it so easy. I am really grateful --and also a little baffled that so many other sources make it so complex.
Ugh, hated stats in grad school. Both rounds.
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Hello, This lecture has helped me to understand using T and ANOVA Test on categorical variable. Previous my thought was T and ANOVA is used only for MEAN difference.
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You use the Z-test when you know something about the population standard deviation. This doesn't happen very often, so the t-test is more common. Saying you should never use it, or that it's "bad" or "dumb" or "unprofessional" is just NOT accurate. It's just more RARELY used. Throwing it out shows a lack of understanding.
there is no equivalent t-test for one sample proportion due to the binomial approximation in these cases so only z -test for one proportion samples
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Hopefully, I can gain a better understanding of this topic. My 2nd take with Probability and Statistics for my undergraduate degree in Psychology (Science) via Online.
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I think proportions are for categorical response or variables and not qualitative as said here, qualitative research itself its so much complicated with thematic or content analysis of codes and quotes, regarding Z and t test I think its about sample size that dictates which one to be used, I stand to be corrected if I am wrong
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"Don't use z test cause I don't like it, as it makes some assumptions I don't want to talk about..."
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Theres no such thing as t-test for proportion.
As tests involving single and two proportions, which are technically binomial, may only be estimated by a normal distribution (hence, z test), and not by t-distribution.
I'm amazed that there are not more comments on this.
@@DigitizedSelf @DigitizedSelf im amazed too that there are 200k+ who viewed this and 5k (who "liked") who are totally no knowledge.
t test also follow the same formula with z test.
@@rustytulod1449 find a book that use t-test for proportion and ull never find one.
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However, one of my statistics teachers, used to say to me to use t-test for a small sample size i.e., of less than 30 with unknown standard deviation of a population with a normal distribution property. That explanation still holds?
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Thanks for posting this video. Clarified the difference between the tests
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I wish every statistics class started this way. Getting to look at the bigger picture first and then jumping into details is always a better way to learn things.
You mentioned in 4:40 about t-test for one proportion, which DOES NOT exist because Z-tests for proportions are based on approximation of normal (hence, z) to binomial distribution so it's only z-test for proportion.
In times like the sample size is so low in testing a single proportion, then some nonparametric test may be used, like the binomial test.
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Please clarify what type of test one can use if studies are going on journalism and media comparisons
Z test for proportions
T test for means
Chi Squared Goodness of Fit for 1 sample with 1 variable to test if it is different for the population (ie test if the distribution of race is different in 1975 population to the 1980 sample)
Chi Squared Independence for 1 sample with 2 variables to test if they are independent (ie test if chess and IQ scores are associated)
Chi Squared Homogeneity for 2 samples with 1 variables to see if they have the same distribution (ie to test if men and women have the same distribution of living arrangements)
T test for slope
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Very helpful and clear video.
everyone in the comments are saying that some tests are 'better' to use than others ( t test is better than z test) but i have always thought that each hypothesis test only had 1 test/method that you could use. do some exam questions have multiple tests that can be done on them to get the same result and if so what tests can be used instead of others. thanks
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Besides a couple of mistakes, good explanations! Thanks!
You lack theoretical grasp apparently, but you've got great practical understanding of the concepts.
I'm not sure the z-test is as biased as you think and, therefore, completely useless. You need to know the parameters of the actual population in order to use it. That's probably why it's less common.
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Hi Sir, i need your help. From below info, what you understand. Can you explain to me, pls?
Hypothesis
i) There is a positive relationship between salary and employee retention - BETA VALUE (-0.379), Pearson Correlation (-0.289) Result : Accepted
ii) There is a positive relationship between communication and employee retention - BETA Value (-0.159), Pearson Correlation (0.110), Result (Accepted)
iii) There is a positive relationship between job satisfaction and employee retention which
impact their decision to stay : BETA Value (-0.115), Pearson Correlation (-0.136), Result (Rejected)
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