This Bike Is DIFFERENT | Jones LWB First Look And Ride
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- Despite having a design far from the modern norm, the Jones LWB is a bike that has a cult following. It seems that most of the people who buy one end up loving it and keeping it for years or even as their elusive "forever bike". I've wanted to test one for several years and despite constantly scouring the used market, I've rarely come across a Jones Bike.
After reviewing the Jones Loop H-bar, Jones Bikes graciously sent me a beautifully purple LWB to test out and in this video I talk about some of the basic specs and take it for a first ride.
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I've been mtn biking since the late 80's and have owned maybe 20 different bikes over the years. The Jones LWB is no question the best bike that I have ridden for everything but the super chunk. Rides like a dream. Sublime in it's handling. Meditative, telepathic. An absolutley ripping steed.
I love seeing so many reviews like this. Just ordered one and will have it early next month. Can't wait, I've never had a bike that I felt was comfortable, and I hate drops!
I spend probably more time on a lwb than most anybody besides Jeff himself and I can attest to its comfort for sure. The Thomson dropper is very good and I don’t know anything about cable routing and I got it to work just fine. I have a work bike hd/e and a v2 lwb and both are my favorite bikes. You have to try putting a fat tire on the front before you stop riding it, plug and play, it’s amazing!
I did a fat front/29plus combo on a Surly Ice Cream Truck and it was a blast. With it being later in fall/almost winter I’ll probably have to give it a shot if I want to get a lot of time in on this bike.
Love my LWB for the same reasons you cite. It's super comfortable, the upright riding position is great for long rides and it's the best climbing bike I've ever owned partially due to that. Plus the insane traction of + tires. I call it my ATB, for when you're just going to go ride, dirt roads, singletrack, off trail, whatever. I'm still amazed at how capable of a bike it is. Its cons are the same as with any fully rigid bike, you're going to hate blindly blasting into rockgardens, big square edged hits and hitting multiple drops. The pain is real. Slow down though and you can make it through just fine. I have an enduro bike for that sort of stuff, it's for playing, my Jones is for riding, covering ground. FWIW, I put a PNW dropper on mine, it's a nice product at a fair price.
Love the input. I haven’t had enough time to have a full opinion yet, but that “I just want to go ride I don’t know what I’m going to choose along the way” mentality seem to fit it well.
@@RideYearRound Give it some time to get used to the geometry, it's different, you corner much more centered. Also takes a while to get tire pressure dialed in, at least it did for me.
On climb, people ask my how that hefty bike feel. It "climbs like a mule"...literarily. Not gonna win races, but you'll somehow spin your way to the top, nice and steady.
I've owned 4 LWB's, and currently have 2. Like you, I generally ride a size large frame. And, like you, I first bought a medium LWB per JJ's recommendation. Within a couple of months, I swapped the medium for a large and haven't looked back. I generally ride a 29x2.6 front @ 13 psi. But on occasion, I'll go back to a 3" front tire @ 10 psi. The stock T-Fatty tire is fine on the rear, not so great for the front. Two great things about the LWB is that a) it climbs like a goat, and b) it's almost impossible to endo. Enjoy.
Seems like a fun do-anything-bike and I really like the look. It's nice that he explains his reasoning for why he chose each component. I'm not sold on the handlebar style but it looks interesting to try.
I can’t speak to the LWB, but I have a SWB. I totally love the bike. Took a couple rides to get used to it, but now I love the ride, the balance, the comfort. Such a fun bike.
I’d love to try an SWB out at some point to see how it compares, but I think I’ve adjusted to riding the LWB now which has been great.
Jones LWB here since March 2020. I had an older (?2013?) Salsa Fargo and thought I loved it until I got on the jones. I had updated the fargo thinking that a front fork and 29+ would be great. However, the change wasn't the best and a spot on the alternator drop out broke on a minor off trail excursion (just a few seconds really) around a fallen tree on a local fire road. After hearing it would be a year before a new frame would be available, I checked out Jones, spoke with JJ, and ordered the LWB. Couldn't be happier.
I am a clydesdale, so, I did have to upgrade the wheels. I went with NOX composites.
I just lover her.... :D :D
I've climbed and descended things on the LWB I never would have begun to attempt on other bikes I've owned.
I've chatted with a few JONES owners before having my own and I thought they were all kinda weird but now, I don't mind being this kinda weird. Kool aid drinker? Who knows...maybe... But this is great tasting Kool aid....
I bought a SWB new in 2012 and I'm still rocking it.
I’d love to try out the SWB. I liked this LWB so much I ended up buying it and even with all of the other bikes I have I find myself wanting to ride it the most.
Welcome to the club! Love my LWB v2, though dreading that its priced 30% cheaper than when I got mine way back when. Not a bad deal for what you paid for, the frame, Jones components, and other spec, nothing sexy, just plain solid and reliable. Like you said, if I can only have 1 bike for everything....all terrain, this is it. The relaxed cruiser geometry is what sold me, can't see myself getting anything else in future, except maybe a ti- frame from Jones.
Thanks for doing this review. There are not a lot of reviews of this bike on here.
I bought the 27.5 T-Fattys from Jones and they were just what I wanted as an all purpose plus tire. They run really smooth on pavement and hardback, yet have enough float and grip for loose gravel and trails. I have settled in on shoulder width bars with profile design bar ends on my gravel, plus, and fat bikes. I like the leaning forward and extra reach they provide, but I have always been Jones curious. I look forward to your future review videos of the LWB.
I need to dial in the pressure on them, but I definitely noticed they roll well.
Wow!
I’m in the market for a new bike, jones bikes I’m looking into
Thank you sir
I was always curios about the Jones bike but opted for the Surly KM. I've only seen one in the wild and the guy loved it. I wonder if that truss fork smooths out the bumps. Anyway Jones is having a 15% sale site wide for Black Friday now.
According to Jones, you get more comfort from the unicrown fork over the truss fork. But the truss is very direct and stiff if that’s what you want.
Truss fork does NOT smooth out the bumps. I had a beautiful Ti Jones LWB with a truss fork, and it felt like I was riding a jackhammer. I much prefer the less flashy Jones unicrown fork for bump compliance.
The truss fork is very stiff fore and aft, the pro is that it is also very precise. It's also a smidge lighter, which doesn't matter in this category of bike. Love mine, the tires are what smooth out the bumps if you get the pressure right.
Had my LWB for some time. Don't know if they changed or improved the design of the rear derailure hanger? Buy two spare, I'm on third one? One snapped when the bike just fell over? The bike is a heavy weight and difficult to transport, lift and carry for some. I have learned to "deal" with the issues. I have no major complaints. Keep riding it as it does take time to fully appreciate the design.
It's a good point that the short reach does not mean a short front-center, because of the slack head angle and massive fork offset
Yep, while it might be a tad more rear biased, you’re honestly in a very balanced spot on the bike.
Been on my lwb since febuary, absolutely love it for pretty much everything i do. Run it predominantly on 29 x 2.8 maxxis rekons and have recently fit a 27.5 x 4.5 on the front, just to experiment more than anything!
Hey, question about that 27.5 fat tire... what tire did you fit? Was there a decent amount of clearance? I was thinking of getting an LWB but wanted to be able to run a 27.5 by 4.5 Terrene Cake Eater studded front tire for winter (and I would self-stud a 29 x 3.25 duro crux in the back).
@@joed6553 fitted a bontrager gnarwhal (on a sun mulefut 80mm rim) fitted with loads of clearance left, certainly won't have any clogging issues.👍
I have it set up with a 27.5x4.3 YKY on a 65mm internal rim and it has plenty of clearance. I think you may have some snow rub problems if you’re in really wet stuff that sticks, but for the most part you’d be fine. It’ll definitely depend on your tire choice though, what some brands call a 4.5 is a lot smaller than others.
@@RideYearRound Cool! I'm thinking about selling my Pugsley, which is my only current "off-road" bike since I have 29+ wheels for it for non-snow months. Hard to know for sure, but I bet the Jones LWB with 27.5 x 4.5 studded up front and studded 29 x 3.25 out back would perform just as well or better than the Pugs with 26 x 4.6 (Dillinger 5) and 26 x 4.2 (Wrathlorde) out back. And the LWB would be a far better mountain bike for singletrack.
@@benlisle7623Sweet, thanks!
Intrigued by the Jones. I'd consider one if it came stock with a dropper (other hand, I have had a surly kmonk for the past year and have absolutely loved it--enough that I lost the desire for the time being for another mtb, unless it's an emtb, but that's more to use for knocking around town/shopping in my mountain foothill community).
Jones has great customer service so I’m sure you could ask them to include one and they would, especially if that’s the only thing keeping you from buying the bike. They make such a huge difference in the ride…
@@RideYearRound Great point. Now you got me really thinking about it :)
I could be interesting to swap out the jones bar with some more normal mtb bars …absolute love the content of this channel….
Im always impressed how a Jones doesn't get its front wheel washed out due to COG being so far back, is it due to wheel mass?
I own a LWB and I think that it is a combination of grippy 29+ tires and the fact that your weight isn’t really that far back in comparison to some other bikes. You may be really upright and the fork offset may be 3in, but the long chainstays kind of compensate for that in a way. You feel very centered on the bike.
@@oliverascher213 haven't even thought about the effect of a long chain stay on cog, that is a nice solution
Stunning Jones bike
how about using a a suspension stem and seatpost!!
LWB, or long wheel base for short.
Looks just like the new ritchey ascent
About the only thing that the LWB has in common with the Ritchey Ascent is the seatpost size.
I would be very interested in knowing the exact geometry. I think this is the only thing that stop me from buying this bike.
I did a comparison against other large frames, and Jones LWB, against a medium, still has the longest wheelbase out there. I guess you gotta be NBA size to be riding a Large. I'm 6 ft, and the medium fits me fine, but it still fells like a big bike. It's a lot to do with the sweep back Jones loop bar that makes it work for 80% of people out there of various height, 5'5 - 6'5? Any other bar, straight or drop would mess up the intended reach.
Thanks dude.
If there's a loop bar that is less swept back I might use it.
You might like the Moloko bar then
The LWB is probably going to be a little less versatile than the SWB for other types of riding, it’s intended design seems to be focused on the ability to carry a lot of gear and be stable and balanced for that.
That’s the impression I’ve always had, but I love 29+ too much so the LWB won out as the review bike haha
I have both. The LWB is a more capable mtn bike in almost every way. The SWB is a blast to ride on smooth, tight and twisty singletrack. The LWB is much more capable everywhere else but also great on the smooth, tight and twisty.
I will never know how those bikes are with the $3000 price tag!😢
Awesome 💯👍👍👍👍
They should lessen that backsweep a little bit
Jones are such s cool company, people will cream their pants over this bike. 👍👍
Is an xc hardtail be okay with rigid fork or it will be too twitchy? Thanks !
Yeah it'll be just fine, rigid xc mountain bikes are actually more popular than you'd think!
It's important to match the axle to crown measurement, and the fork offset measurement to your existing fork when you switch to a rigid fork. You might get lucky if you just slap any fork on there, but then again you might get something that handles really weird.
Get a lightweight suspension fork like the Rockshox SID SL. It can lock out fully rigid, but you have the comfort and control when needed. Plus it only weighs about 2 lbs more than a carbon fork and costs about the same.
You in MT?
Yep!
How tall are you u ?
5’10.5”
@@RideYearRound thanks i am 6.1 so large will be better for me
Looks like my Salsa Fargo ...
I just don't see the point. As you say, its more capable than a dropbar mtb or gravel bike for mtb things. But then, a hardtail its going to be more capable than this. And for smooth stuff, a gravel bike is going to be lightspeed by comparison. Outside of bikepacking, where would you choose this over a hardtail? A Krampus would still get you the tire volume, can still be run rigid for bikepacking, but can run a susp fork for everything else. Has that more old school geometry. And is less expensive.
Comfort is one big reason off the top of my head. Not every rider is looking to go super fast or hit gnarly stuff and may prioritize comfort over everything else. This bike is super comfortable, but can also handle a good range of trail/road surfaces.
@@RideYearRound Right but wouldn't you get the same thing from a Krampus with 29+ and/or susp fork?
@cjohnson3836 you’d get the benefits of 29+, but the geometry is significantly different and less comfortable due to a longer reach and lower stack.
Until you ride one it's hard to understand, and similarly I can't overstate the difference of the geometry and riding position of a Jones bike. Not only is your torso more upright but your legs as well, kind of like standing on the pedals even when seated. Some describe it as sitting in the bike instead of on the bike, like most others, including a krampus. I've cleaned technical climbs on my LWB that I couldn't make on my full suspension XC bike. It's extremely capable on all sorts of terrain. Check out some of Jones' own channel with videos showing him and others on intense singletrack.
I've spent enjoyable hours on the bike fully loaded in the desert, or cruising gravel, and even my 15 min urban commute puts a smile on my face. If you're not hucking yourself off jumps and drops, or trying to win time trials, and are riding 'just for fun' the LWB is a quiver killer.
To be fair, you are describing two more specialized bikes as being better for two more specialized kinds of rides.